tonight my conversation with democratic congresswoman barbara lee. plus biden says america's forever war is coming to an end. i'll speak to the amiral that oversaw the lead of osama bin laden. and that's all coming up tonight.

good evening, i'm mehdi hassan. in main police shot a man in maine and friend say they were worried about their friend before he was shot and killed by police in new hampshire two weeks early. police in upstate new york shot a 23-year-old while responding to a domestic disturbance, and in new jersey police shot a man for allegedly fleeing a traffic accident and that same day police in honolulu shot a 16-year-old boy in pursuit. a man was running away from a gunman and toward police when

police shot him multiple times in the torso. just a few of the people who have been killed by police this month alone. so many people that at one point coverage of the murder trial of one police officer gave way to coverage of yet another police killing just a few miles away. ever since the murder trial of derek chauvin started on march the 29th, chauvin the police officer who put his knee on the neck of the late george floyd, police killings in america have mounted with more than three people a day in this country dying at the hands of law enforcement. plus a new study finds that police are responsible for roughly 8% of all adult male homicide deaths in the united states. each and every year. and, wait for this, in 2020 there were only 18 days, 18 days in which the police didn't kill somebody and that somebody was three times more likely to be black than white. utter lunacy.

can you blame activists, especially black activists, for calling for the defunding of police forces that end the lives of black people with this kind of regularity and disproportionality? the city of minneapolis is now bracing for a verdict with closing arguments in the chauvin trial set to begin tomorrow. a nearby suburb has been shaken by last week's police killing of daunte wright during a traffic stop. in today's "washington post" they write "being black in america is exhausting. no matter our gender, age or economic status, we are viewed as threats." daunte wright was stopped for having expired license plates, because he had an air freshener hanging from his mirror, so his true crime may have been driving while black.

at what point did we collectively decide that expired license plates or air fresheners are a crime, or allegedly trying to use counterfit money or selling loose cigarettes or sleeping in your own bed or being in your own grandmother's back yard or leaving your front door ajar? we cannot continue like this. it is well past time to stop the insanity. but how? joining me now to talk about this is congresswoman barbara lee of california who co-sponsored the house rel solution condemning police brutality in the wake of george floyd's death last year. many of us see a problem with police brutality of violence and shootings, especially of black people. what is the solution in. >> first of all, in is the unfortunate reality that

african-americans have lived with really, quite frankly, for 401 years. it's a manifestation of structural racism that still is in this country. police are hired to protect the public for public safety purposes. what the whole country now is seeing is how the black community has had to live under siege constantly day after day and when police officers know that they could -- will get off until we address qualified immunity, for instance, in the george floyd justice of policing act, which we need to get out of the senate, this is going to continue. all of these cases that you showed us, there were no efforts to de-escalate, no efforts to make some determinations with regard to what was taking place and innocent lives, young people, their lives continue to be snuffed out because of police brutality and misconduct and

murders and we have got to get these bills passed and i really applaud the protesters, people who got to stay on the streets and protest because this is the only way that elected officials are going to respond and that's through the pressure and the voices of the people. >> a lot of your democratic colleagues got very upset with the slogan "defund the police," they claim it cost them seats in the house. but when you look at what's happening on our streets day after day, it's understandable people are going to call for that, is it not? >> look, we have to make sure that resources are put into public safety, and that's what we're calling for. we have to make sure that people who need help, mental health services, who need a place to live, who need food, who need whatever, that those alternatives are there. so many -- large percentages of people who are in jail now, especially black and brown people, are there as a result of mental health issues. they should not be there. we should not have to be

intimidated by being arrested for traffic stops. so we have got to have a complete reimagining and rethinking of how we police, especially for communities which are continually under siege. we have to have public safety and i think that's what most of us stand for. >> are you worried what will happen, the reaction on the street, if derek chauvin is found not guilty? >> first of all, it's unimaginable that he would be found not guilty. so i'm not even -- i'm glad the authorities and i think people there are prepared for whatever. but i also know that there is no way that this legal system, supposedly criminal justice system and judicial system will allow this man to get away with murder, and that's what that would be. and so we are -- i mean, i'm

confident that the jury is going to convict. i mean, the case was presented, the medical examiners and police officers who testified, please, this has got to be -- justice has got to be done. >> it's got to be done. whether it will, we'll see. before i let you go, congresswoman, it's been almost 20 years since you were the own member of congress to vote against the invasion of afghanistan. what's your message to generals who say we can't leave afghanistan and allow the taliban to take over again? >> my message is we've been there 20 years, what are we going to do, be there another 20 years with the same message? come on. we have tools in our foreign policy and military policy that we need to embark upon -- diplomacy, development, we need to participate and encourage peace talks to move forward, we have to protect women and make sure that women's rights and children's rights and women's

equality, that we fund those initiatives. we've trained hundreds of thousands of security forces in afghanistan. so we owe the people of afghanistan a heck of a lot. it's going to be a difficult -- i would say it's going to have its difficult moments in terms of transitioning out, but we have got to make sure that we bring our young men and women home. they've done everything we have asked them to do, now we have to have this orderly -- you know, bring them home orderly and get them the heck out of there. we are going to secure our diplomats but it's not going to be a heavy military presence because this will never end if we do. >> get the heck out of there, very well put. >> thank you. and i thank the biden administration for seeing the light. >> next we'll talk more about the u.s. leaving afghanistan and the biden administration with a person who served there and led

the raid to capture bin laden. and still ahead, the diversity problem in hollywood is still a big one. a muslim has never won a medal as an actor. >> and climate is one of the biggest challenges facing joe biden. my exclusive interview with noam chomsky coming up. don't go away. up. don't go away. your destinati.

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there are many who argue we should stay fighting in afghanistan because -- we went to afghanistan because of a

horrific act 20 years ago. that does not explain why we should remain there in 2021. >> america's forever war in afghanistan at least is coming to an end. president biden this week pledging to be the fourth and final president to preside over that quagmire of a conflict. new reporting says that decision was a source of conflict in itself, the president going against the advice of his top military officials who tried to convince him to keep a small numberof boots on the ground. biden made no secret of his desire to leave. he was the lone voice calling for an exit. the u.s. will be leaving a country known as the graveyard of empires without a clear victory over the taliban. so what was the point? to discuss this, i'm joined by a man who knows the country and the conflict inside out, retired add mir william mcraven,

credited for overseeing the navy seal raid in pakistan in the killing of osama bin laden. admiral, thanks so much for coming on the show. let's start with afghanistan. do you support joe biden's decision to pull all u.s. troops out of afghanistan? because the u.s. has spent nearly a trillion dollars there, lost 2,300 troops over the past 20 years yesterday today al qaeda continues to exist in afghan san, the taliban still exists, 85,000 fighters control 20% of the country. afghanistan continues to be responsible for more than 80% of global opiate production and the u.n. reported afghan civilian casualties spiked by 30%. from where i'm sitting, afghanistan looks like an absolute disaster of a war for the united states. >> let me start with the biden

decision. you know, i think the biden administration made an assessment that we're not going to have a military solution in afghanistan. and, frankly, i think that was the right assessment. as a former senior officer, what i know is that as a military officer, you just want to be heard. you want to make sure that you have the opportunity to outline the risks for the president. i know for a fact that joel scott miller, general frank mckenzie, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mark milley, and second lloyd austin all of whom extensive experience in afghanistan, they all had a chance to sit down with the president and lay out the risks and concerns. there is a risk of a surging taliban and a risk of losing the gains with the women in afghanistan.

after laying it all out, this is up to the civilian leadership to make the decision. once that decision is made, we salute smartly and move out and try to find a solution to the risks out there. i think the president has made the right decision. >> but, admiral, we know from the afghan papers, the leaked government documents published in "the washington post" in 2019 that, quote, u.s. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in afghanistan making rosie pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war would be unwinnable. we were lied to, were we not? >> no. i don't know of any senior president that looked the president in the eyes and didn't tell him the unvanished truth. -- unvarnished truth. these are officers of incredible integrity and character, like

the chairman of the joint chiefs, mark milley and joel dunford. i can't comment on the report. i haven't read it. i know the character of the men that are reporting to the president of the united states. the last thing we want to do is mislead the president or the public. >> one of the reasons, admiral, i've always been opposed to the war in afghanistan and broader war on terror is i believe you can't defeat war with bombs or bullets. and in your book, you seemed to agree. you talked about going to personally apologize to an afghan elder whose kids were killed by u.s. soldiers on a botched raid on what they thought were taliban figures.

it feels, admiral, like not enough americans understand that their hatred is not of our freedoms, at george w. bush once claimed, but maybe our violence, knocking down their doors in the middle of the night. >> no country likes to be occupied. but let's also put the last 20 years in a little bit of perspective. we went into afghanistan to take away the sanctuary for al qaeda. we have not had an attack like 9/11 in. last 20 years. we've taken the opportunity to build an afghan national security force of 350,000 afghans. the hope, and there is hope and there is risk involved that this force will keep the taliban at bay. 40% of the women are in the

academic life, in the police, in politics. this was unheard of under the taliban regime. we also had the ability to launch the raid that got blad i don't know -- bin laden from afghanistan. are we going to have a surrender or victory ceremony on the "u.s.s. missouri"? no, we're not. when i think of the remarkable sacrifice of the marines and ngos, their heroism will not be diminished one bit, their patriotism will not be diminished one bit by how this war ends up. >> okay. just before we run out of time, i do want to turn to another issue. you have said in the past that you believe donald trump was the

greatest threat to democracy and the republic of i don't are lifetime. given the insurrection on january the 6th and the role played by moments of the gop in inciting that, do you believe the republican party itself is also now a let to the republic, to american democracy, not just donald trump? >> well, let's get the quote right to begin with. what i said was trump's comment about the press being the enemy of the american people, that was the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime. i'm a journalism major. i believe in the first amendment as the foundation of this great country. again, i've been raked over the coals by the press. let me tell you, if we don't have a free and fair press, if we don't have the ability to exercise our right of assembly, if we don't have these rights, it is the greatest threat to democracy in our life time. again, this wasn't necessarily about donald trump, this was about his threat to the press at the time.

as far as the insurrection on january 6th, i will tell you like a lot of people i was watching that on tv, it was incredibly disturbing. it was a sad day for democracy. and of course it showcased, frankly, the worst of america. but it also showcased the best of in the capitol police that stood their ground as see insurrectionists took over the capitol. i mean, these were some brave men and women standing by. the fact of the matter is we've got to work for democracy every single day from the local level to the state level to the federal level. this democracy is fragile and we need to put the work into it to make sure we can sustain it for the next 240-some-odd years. >> we can only hope. admiral william raven, thank you for being with us. congratulations on the new book. >> thank you. coming up, if ridiculist

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many of you know me as a journalist, a tv anchor, interviewer, op-ed columnist, but i also used to be really into acting. in my high school days i won awards for drama but i wasn't good enough to go professional. but another kid i went to school with was good enough, so good that he is up for an academy award. he's already part of another academy record, alongside steven eun, it's the first time two men of asian dissent are up for oscars at the same time. to be quite clear, diversity doesn't mean box ticking at the expense of talent, it means

recognizing the talent that's already out there. he plays an outstanding musician who loses his hearing. >> here we go. >> say again. >> earlier i spoke with my old school mate from the u.k., riz, who joined me from california. welcome to the show and congratulations on your oscar nomination. >> thank you very much. thanks for having me. >> riz, something like i did the math, something like 25 years ago if memory serves me correctly, you and i were in the

drama, and i think we both won for our categories. we're in the school play together. did you know, "a" this is what you would spend your life doing very well and, "b," that you would be at the academy awards? did you have that mapped out when we were kids in school? >> no, of course not. i didn't think that at all. it's crazy, i never took it to be a viable career path for me for whatever reason, it just seemed so unlikely. one thing i was sure of, i would see mehdi hassan on tv. even then you were the debating champion, the debating kid that no one wanted to go toe to toe with. so i think it's no surprise you're doing what you're doing right now. >> you're very kind but i think we all knew as well, especially when you ended up at university when you were talent spotted.

and let's just be clear, for this role you're up for an oscar on, you spent several months how to drum and learning american sign language for this role. you already mastered the american accent so nobody a clue you were british. would it be fair to describe you as a method actor, someone to throws your all into any role you get? >> you know, i would say that i'm not technically trained in method acting and what that, you know, the kind of official process of what that is in sensory exercises, but i think with every role up have to kind of give everything and particularly with a role like this, there was no option to almost live in character for seven months. i'd wake up in the morning and do sign language for a couple of hours, and work on my acting and play drums for a couple of hours and then work out and then spend the evening in kind of addiction

recovery circles as well because my character, reuben, has a background of addiction. so it was just an immersive process. but that's what i love about this. it's all the worlds you get to see and the different lives you get to inhabit. so if you have the opportunity, why not throw yourself into it. >> you certainly do. and the results are clear to see on screen. it's an astonishing performance. i know you said you're certainly not representing the deaf community or the deaf experience in "the sound of metal" because it's so multi-facetted, but in terms of marginalized communities being depicted on the screen, just as whether you like it or not muslim, brown people, see you on tv and identify with it, do you think the people in the deaf community are identifying with not you as

an actor but your character, a rudy. >> i would not speak for the deaf community but some of the feedback has been quite positive. it was quite rare to see a film that is captioned. in every print of the film, audiences can enjoy alongside one another. i think often it's something that we neglect, you know, with regards to how we represent people of diverse backgrounds or disabled backgrounds or, you know, for me a big learning point was the realization that deafness isn't a disability, it's a culture for many people. and so i would say that it's very kind of moving to know that this film in some small way has been an incremental step towards just improving the way that deaf people might be represented on screen.

>> yeah. and it's such important representation. on that note i have to ask about the "d" word, about diversity. the oscars has been rerentreleny criticized for diversity. in 2016 you wrote "no one resembles me in the waiting room for an acting position." is that still the case? >> you know, it's really interesting, isn't it, because i think progress is sometimes not linear. if you kind of go back decades, you had actors like omarr sharif playing lead roles and hollywood epics in "dr. chivago."

you can say we've made progress. you've never arrived at the destination, there's always further to go. it's great there are asian actors nominated this year, in anthony hospital kins, one of the oldest actors and we need to go further. for me for someone all my life was thinking about the representation of brown people or ethnic minorities or muslims, it was eye opening to realize there's this whole other world we need to open up in terms of representing deaf community, the disabled community and there's so much further to go there. i think that, yes, we're moving in the right direction but hopefully we'll never stop moving in the right direction and we certainly will never have arrived. culture really is a space where our collective consciousness exists and hopefully that just keeps expanding and expanding until it can embrace all of us.

>> before i let you go, i have to ask about the political moment we're in. i think it's fair to say you're a pretty political person in terms of your movie and tv roles and in terms of your rap lyrics. i want to get your take on where you think america is as a country, post-trump, especially nor minorities, for immigrants. you and i are brown immigrants in the u.s., married to americans. what's your take right now? >> it's interesting, isn't it, because i think politics is a point of view on the world. and what is the story? it allows you to inhabit a point of view in the world. perhaps a point of view you haven't inhabited before, a world you haven't seen before. i think ultimately the truth that we are unearthing in this political moment as we come och the back of the trump era is the same truth you unearth at the end of every story that you you tell as an actor or writer or

director or every story that you experience and underneath is a common well of humanity that unites us all. that's the own reason that acting is possible. the only reason i can play this character or that character because inside each of us is all of us. and i hope that in this moment when we've all gone through the shared trauma of covid together that we will realize that truthfully there is no us and them, there's only us. that's my hope. perhaps i'm an optimist but that's all you can be. >> that is all you can be. thank you so much, riz. we're out of time. do you have your pretend happy face if you don't win? do you have that practiced? >> yeah, how's this? >> that's a good one. i think it's good. no, you got to look happier, you got to look more selfless and

happier. i have a feeling you're going to win. >> i just want to say one thing, which is that it's just been amazing to see you and your journey and everything that you do out there for representation and the conversations that you broach is inspirational so keep going, man. >> you're too kind. good luck next sunday. thanks for coming on the show tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. still noam chomsky is speaking out about climate change and the biden presidency. >> and it's so racist you'd think even the gop would address it. think again. the timer is ticking on my 60 second rant. that's next. n my 60 second rant. that's next.

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as president biden plans to host 40 leaders on a world climate summit on thursday. critics say it's not enough given the scale of the challenge. one person who is very concerned that we don't take climate change seriously enough is noam chomsky, renowned critics of presidents both democrat and republican, he's co-author of "climate crisis and the global green new deal" and "chomsky for activist." i spoke to him earlier today. noam chomsky, thank you so much for coming on the show. what do you make of joe biden's presidency so far as we approach the hundred-day mark. does this surprise you? >> on the domestic front, i am surprised.

it's better than i expected. in fact, quite reasonable, particularly considering the nature of the opposition. on foreign policy i think it's pretty dangerous, a lot to be desired. >> yeah. i want to come back and talk about afghanistan foreign policy with you later in the interview. for now let's talk about climate change, which is both a foreign policy issue and a domestic policy issue, a global issue. joe biden is hosting a big white house summit this thursday, trying to get the chinese and other big carbon emitters on board. do you think he's going far enough given the scale of the challenge? what does he need to do in your view? >> well, to say to bring others on board is a little misleading. we have to bring ourselves on board. the last years the united states has been an outlier moving radically in the wrong direction. so, yes, we have to get back on

board. biden's program is the best that has yet been proposed by any president, any -- it's a move in the right direction. primarily i think thanks to the extensive pressures of activist movements which have made an effect. there's resistance from the mainstream democrats. they don't want to go far enough. he hasn't gone far enough. it has to be improved, but it's got the right objectives and if it's modified in a way which can achieve those objectives, it will be very important, in fact, crucial for human survival. >> i'm going to ask you a version of a question i asked

previously on this so, if joe biden rang you up and said i'm going to wave a magic wand on climate thing, what's the one thing you would want me to do that i'm not doing. >> take direct steps to start elimination of the fossil fuels at a pace that would remove them completely by mid century. that's the goal. and put into operations other plans, a whole variety of them, i don't have time to talk about them, that would help expedite this move. he can do very simple things to ensure that say fracking is now increasing with the rise of oil prices and the fracking operations are keeping to trump's deregulation, meaning allowing methane to escape into the atmosphere, which they know

exactly how to stop. it's a little more profitable to do it. stop that. begin the program of moving towards efficient mass transportation, reconstruction of cities necessary, retraining of oil workers for other jobs. there's a whole variety of things that can be done. the main thing is stop the use of fossil fuels step by step every year and terminate by 2050. >> and there are some on the left who take a both sides approach to democrats and republicans, that your both equally bad. you don't. you told people to vote for biden as the lesser of two evils last year in an interview with me and others and you've called the modern republican party the most dangerous organization in human history. why do you say that? >> they're the only organization in human history that is

dedicated with passion to ensuring that human survival, survival of organized human society will be impossible. that's exactly their program since 2009 when they shifted to a denialist position under the impact of the koch brothers jug juggernaut. before that when mccain was running, there was a limited act. >> we're the only society in the world to deny climate. you're 90 years young. you've been writing on politics

for near 60 years now. dare i ask over the course of your career what are you most proud of in terms of positions you took and what is your biggest regret? what did you get wrong? >> the biggest regret is not doing enough and not doing it early enough. there are things that have been achieved to which i'm happy to have made some contribution. the most gratifying thing is the work of the young activists, people like summarize a movement like i just mentioned and many others who are carrying things forward in the face of severe difficulties, unflinching and moving forward on crucial challenges. that's gratifying. >> noam chomsky, thank you as always for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that was part one of my

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