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as we come on the air, the attorney general is about to make a major announcement. sourcing confirming that america will launch a investigation into the minneapolis police department. also, this morning, the country waking up after relief and reflection coast to coast after those sweeping verdicts against derek chauvin. his bail revoked, bond discharged, and sentencing now two months away. a verdict and a moment nearly a year in the making. >> i hear guilty and then i hear guilty again, and guilty again.
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and i was excited. i was excited. it was a pivotal moment for me, my family, and the world. >> pete williams is also in dc welcome shaquille brewster outside of the correctional facility as we're getting a first look at his mug shot this morning. really at the top of the order can you explain what this might be about and what a pattern like this means. >> they have done about 40 of these over the years. they come in, sometimes not so cooperatively, and they look at a couple of issues. how do they handle use of force issues and how do they treat minorities, and the attorney
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general formally rescinded what was signed by jeff sessions that vastly sent these back. but obviously under democratic administrations, and even some republican administrations the justice department had a different notion of them. so this is the minneapolis police department. it will go on. and we expect to hear from the attorney general for about five minutes about this, hallie. >> and i think we're going to hear from him in just about 90 seconds or so. live in minneapolis, you're there, you're in washington, you're waking up to the same black --
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>> we got the word that this verdict was about to be heard, several hundred people gathered here. we spoke with many protestors that said this is what they had been waiting for. i spoke with a crucial witness in this case. he was an mma fighter that testified at this trial and he said a huge weight had been lifted, that he believed this was not just the end of the trial, but that this was the beginning, a sense of relief giving way to reflection, hallie. >> we are expecting to see
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merrick garland. >> i have closely watched the events in minnesota. although the state's prosecution was was successful, i know that nothing can fill the void. my heart goes out to them. i know such wounds have deep roots. and too many communities have experienced them firsthand. yesterday's verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic practices in minneapolis. today i'm announcing that the justice department has opened a civil investigation to determine if the police department engaging in a patter or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful
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places. this effort will be staffed by experienced attorneys and other personnels. and the u.s. attorney's office for the district of minnesota. the new civil investigation is separate from and independent of the federal criminal investigation into the death of george floyd that the justice department has previously announced. congress gave the department the authority to conduct civil bat earn or practice investigations. that look beyond individual incidents to assess those systemic failures. the investigation i am announcing today is assessing whether or not the minneapolis
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police department engages in a pattern or practice of excessive force including during protests. the investigation will also assess whether or not the npd engaging in discriminatory conduct and whether or not it's treatment of those with behavioral health disabilities is unlawful. it will include a review of policies, training, super vision, and use of force informations. it will assess the effectiveness of the mpd's current systems of accountability and to see if they insure constitutional and lawful policing. broad participation in this investigation from the community and from law enforcement will be vital to it's success. the justice department has already started to reach out to community groups and members of the public to learn about their
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experiences with the mpd. we also seek to hear from the department's officers about the training and support they receive because they're perspective is essential. all of these voices will help provide the information they need to conduct this assessment. if the justice department concludes there is reasonable cause to believe there is a patter or practice of unconstitutional policing we will release a public report of our conclusions. the justice department also has the authority to bring a civil lawsuit asking a court to
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provide injunctive relief. usually when the justice department finds unlawful practices, patterns, or practices the local police department enters a settlement agreements or consent decree to ensure that prompt and effective action is taken to align policing practices with the law. most of our nation's law enforcement officers do their difficult jobs honorably and lawfully. i strongly believe that good officers do not want to work in systems that allow bad practices. good officers welcome accountability because it is an essential part of the 21 trust with the community and it requires bubbly trust.
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i know that justice is sometimes slow, sometimes elusive and sometimes never comes, we will be unwaivering in our pursuit of equal justice. they did not arides today or last year. building trust will take time and effort by all of us. but we under take this task with determination and urgency knowing that change cannot wait. thank you. >> that is the attorney general, taking no questions after he
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announces that investigation into the matter and practice investigation. you heard what it's intent is as he again made a full throated push for what he described as equal justice under the law. pete williams, mike memoli, shaq brewster outside of that correctional facility in minnesota, leann caldwell on capitol hill, and former member of president obama's as far as force on 21st century justice. reverend al sharpton is with us as well. ly get to all of you, but pete, let me start with you. break down attorney general garland did clearly explain what this is and where it is going, break down the next steps for this. >> the next steps are that investigationers from the u.s. attorney's office will begin to
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look into the practice of the minneapolis police department. they will review past complaints. they willen all of those, talk to officers and they will basically say this is what we think you're doing wrong, we think you need to change, if the defendant is reluctant, then it is the attorney general can file a lawsuit and sometimes that results in a judge ordering them to make the changes. sometimes it results in a settlement or a consent decrew where they agree, but these are legally binding changes. as i say in the past some have
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welcomed the investigations. they want outside looks. some dragged their feet. at the end of the day the justice department can go to court to enforce and require these changes. interestingly he said one of the things they will look at is people with behavioral disabilities. this has been a big question in policing in recent years. that is an additional thing to look at institution to the question of are people being discriminated against in hiring in the police department, the way they stream people they encounter, and do they use excessive force? >> and it has been front and center with a number of demonstrations. >> yeah, a big issue as well. >> that is right. >> what is your reaction to what we just heard?
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>> i'm delighted to hear that this action will be taken to they can look at behaviors and patterns. under the obama administration there is a number of series of these patterns and practices that took place. but the administration, particularly sessions, and they said just throwing all of this out of the window. in community that's have been saying for years that these type of violations have occurred. i think there is an equal balance in terms of what they field is important and also for what our attorney general's office feels is important as well. i'm delighted to hear this. i think it is the best of the community. i think it will help establish some trust. and i'm confident that under the current administration there both the mayor's office and the
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chief of police, they're going to be quite amenable to any of the recommendations that come through to this so particularly for this case, helping us assess this so we can't continue to do anything but sweep them under the car pet, if you will. like what we saw in the last administration. >> do you read any significance into that? >> i think the significance is that the attorney general and the white house have decided that they're going to use this moment to move forward and reverse the four years that proceeded them that we were
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moving back ward. plus, remember, that under the baud administration we had this consent decree, we had an active justice department that was dealing with policing issues. all of that was neutralized or conditionaled under the trump administration. so there is not a better time than now for this administration to show in this george floyd moment that they will reverse the spiral, but actively go forward. even with the verdict that made the family happy, those of us in the civil rights community with civil rights organizations that work with the family, i'm preaching at the funeral of a young man with a 26 year career that was shot and killed during
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the trial. so when the attorney general is announcing this, this is not just politics, this is me. in less than a year you have this kind of police caused deaths. clearly there is a need for the from government to come in and look at what is going on. even if there is no floyd verdict. but it is certainly appropriate that the time. >> there is more i want to talk about at this time. a former prosecutor, and get into more detail about what kind of cooperation they might expect in this. how far and wide for getting answers here. >> usually what they do is they will come in and they will bring in local groups as well. they go into the department and they take a comprehensive look. and review all of the policies
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and procedures. i think the upside is the department of justice has a number of experts that could come in with policies and proposals that mayors and chiefs don't have the expertise in incorporating. it gives mayors and chiefs internal support. it is inpersonal resistance for the types of his temperatureic changes that you need in minneapolis or across the country. the chief, the mayor, and the other leaders say you may want to drag your feet on this, but you might as well get out of the way. i think it is a recognition that the conviction yesterday was critical and important, it's not enough for the type of his temperatureic changes now and
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across the country. >>. >> it has also been part of president biden and vice president harris. this is one of a number of pshs they're trying to get behind. >> that's right, as we watch the biden administration now respond to this verdict i think it is important to recall where we were a year ago and how much his killing was an inflection point, and the promises that he made to the floyd family that he has been in touch with throughout the process and also to the akty visions. something that biden is focused on following through here. a measure of justice is not the same as equal justice. the president himself says this was a giant step forward, but that there is a lot more work to
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do. there has been a lot of focus focus on that on capitol hill. there was an important signal, with the attorney general's announcement, they are prepared to take in the coming days and weeks. it was notable as well in the president's remarks last night that he talked about legislation, policy, and also about personnel. he called on the senate to move quickly to confirm some of his other nominees, four key justice departments who will be the number three at the justice department, she is coming to a vote in the senate today. as well as kristin clark. once he has that full team in place, he should expect to see the white house taking additional actions in addition to that big bush for the george floyd education. another promise he made was in
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the first 100 days. he abandoned that because of the response from activists from civil rights because they do want to put a full push behind that legislation, hallie. >> thank you, you mentioned the voting today. it was potentially possible that vice president harris has to pick a tie on that. i cannot imagine we have reaction yet from minneapolis pd, we have reached out, right? >> that's right. we have reached out and we are reaching out trying to wait for a comment to see if they have anything to say in response to what their attorney general announced. i think one thing to note is that over the course of the trial we heard from many members of the minneapolis police department. we heard from the most senior member of the police department. we heard from the police chief, and one thing that we saw in reaction to their testimony was
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from members of the community saying that the police department that was described on the stand, in the trial, was not the department that they had experience with. there was some frustration that a rosy picture of the department was being painted. that the prosecutors and the pros cueing team went through in detail was not what may personally experienced. i spoke to one of the protestors out in front of the course and she said she had an experience where she experienced excessive force from the minneapolis police department and people in the community will be happy with what they're hearing from their attorney general, and that it will be investigated on a greater level. >> we're getting a new look at derek chauvin's latest mug shot this morning. >> that's right in that mug shot you see him in his orange jump
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suit instead of the suit that we have seen him on in the courtroom. it was a level five maximum security prison in the state of minnesota. one thing that we're going to be looking ahead to is the sentencing. we know it is about eight weeks away, but whether or not aggravating vak tors will be considered in the murder of george police to. that is something they're asking them to consider. including the fact that you say minors there witnessing the murder of george ploid. floyd. derek chauvin should be facing about 12.5 years in prison. the judge is asking for that to be escalated because of the aggravating factors. we'll see that in the arguments in the prosecution, defense, and the judge in the next couple of
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weeks. that is a question that needs to be answered. we're also monitoring the trials of the three other officers involved in george floyd's death. the reason why derek chauvin was separated from the other three officers is the judge said that the courtroom could not hold a trial for four individual officers into he separated derek chauvin. so we still have to wait for that other trial in august. we'll see if the conviction of derek chauvin has changed the plans for those trials that will take place in august. >> shaq brewster, live for us there in and around minneapolis. mike memoli. leann caldwell, we'll come back to you. reverend sharpton, we have a lot more to get to, almost at the same time the derek chauvin verdict was being read 24 hours ago, a police officer shot and killed atarian girl with a knife. we're back with more on that
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another black person was skilled by a police officer. a teenager was shot and killed in what police say was a response to a call about an attempted stabbing. protestors immediately filled the streets. police released body cam video of the shots being fired. the video is disturbing. we foes v frozen the video before you see makiah collapse on the ground. >> get down, get down. nbc josh letterman is in columbus. the state's bureau is already looking into what happened here, right? >> if you look at what happened over the last 24 hours. the police rushed to put out this body cam video within a few
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hours of the shooting taking place. at the same time avoiding rendering any judgment about whether or not of the officer was justified in this shooting or not. i think that is a reflection both of the fact that this police force is going to be under intense scrutiny over this event, as well as the fact that they know that by saying this police officer was essentially trying to protect someone's life by shooting this girl which is exactly what authorities are saying. they know the public may not be in a position to take their word for that given everything that is taking place around the country. they wanted to put out that video they say shows a girl who is later confirmed to be makyla bryant. attempting to stab someone on video just as police officers shot her. they're not saying whether or not that was the correct action. take a listen to what local law enforcement had to say.
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>> that is what the law says. whether or not this complys with that will be part of the investigation. >> if an officer has violated policy or the law, if they have, they will be held accountable. >> we're learning more about the victim in this incident. she was a 16-year-old girl who was a foster child according to the state's social services agency. police are saying that they are not only going to release the full body cam footage from this incident, hallie, but they're also planning to release the 9 11 call later today. >> josh letterman live there in columbus for us. a look now at the front pages of
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here in washington new momentum for capitol hill on the change in policying. i want to bring in leann caldwell. talk through what you learned about where that bill stands and what's next for congress on this? >> on congress the response to the guilty verdict was mostly welcome. but democrats are warning that is not a replacement for
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legislative action to ensure more police accountability across the country. let's take a low pressure. >> justice is george floyd going home tonight to be with his family. we have a lot of work to do. because verdicts are not a replacement for policy change. >> so where does legislation stand? the house passed the george floyd policing bill last month. it does not have the ten needed votes in the senate for it to pass over here. the leader in the house representative karen bass has been attacking with a lead republican in the senate,
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senator tim scott. but these are very slow moving. there is not necessarily any timeline yet. perhaps this trial with click things into high gear. one of the issues most problematic still as it was last year when the bill passed the house is an issue of qualified immunity. that is liability and responsibility on police officers. some worry on capitol hill that become chauvin was found guilty that republicans will say that reforming qualified immunity is not necessary because the justice system worked. democrats respond to that saying one guilty verdict does not cancel out others when it comes to police officers. one long and deeply personal
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fight for george floyd's family. floyd's brother calling it pivotal not just for the family but for the world. so many other fights for police accountability are not finished. >> when i met her last year, i said this before, i told her how brave i thought she was. she said to me then, and i will never forget it, daddy changed the world. i told her this afternoon daddy did change the world. >> with me now is justin miller, the attorney for roxie washington, the daughter of george floyd's mother. let me start with your reaction
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and what we just heard less than half an hour ago. that announcement that the department of justice would be opening that investigation into the minneapolis police department. what are your thoughts? >> i think that is great and it is long overdue. they're all doing the same things as we just saw with a little girl who was shot. there are some steps that need to be taken across the country not just in minneapolis. we need to look at these police departments at their training and hiring practices to make sure they're training officers to police the community as weem and not just as a war zone. >> pull back the curtain for us if you can on the last 24 hours or so. off camera, how is roxia and gianna doing? what kind of support are they
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getting? >> it's a roller coaster. there has been up and down times. there are good times and bad times. yesterday was a very good time and you don't get that many wins when these things happen into you have to savor them when you get them. >> the story and the words of gianna have resonated with so many including with president biden. and i wonder if you can speak to how she is doing and if she understands what is happening. and the broader context here at the moment. >> she is very resilient. i have a daughter the same age and i don't know how my daughter would handle something like this. and so she is a warrior, a fighter, and she will be very important in her life as she gets older, but seeing her grow
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up into this, she understands what is going on and i think has a child sometimes you're in it and sometimes you're not. i see her go in and out of it, you know, i just i pray for her because i want her to have a childhood. and with this stuff going on around her sometimes i think it is very hard. >> have you talked with roxie about whether or not she has any interest in speaking with derek chauvin? >> no, we have not talked about that yet. i think that it is a little bit too soon for that type of conversation. so no, we have not discussed that yet. >> do you, does roxie see the verdict as a bigger fight for more to be done inside of the system? >> i want to say a tipping point. i would say a starting point. this is the first time where i really saw the entire country get behind what was going on as
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it related to african-americans and interactions with the police. there are people that i spoke to that didn't know that these things were going on. they had not seen or experienced it themselves. so now with that video and derek chauvin's face, with that video a lot of people woke up and said that a lot of things that african-americans have been saying is true. it's not just hyperbole, but facts. >> thank you for your time and the news that developed in the last 30 minutes or so. this is the scene outside of the
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courthouse that we're about to show you. >> there is poetry in the fact that he could not breathe and if feels like a breath of fesh air for the first time, i feel like we can breathe. >> craig, good morning to you. you have been there, you have been on the ground now you're seeing some of the reaction of what we're seeing in the last few weeks or hours or so. what's it like? >> yeah, it is literally right
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near where i'm standing. and they called in 3,000 national guardsmen here. others in major metropolitan areas around the country. it is a report. and they are part of the violence that was akin to the reaction that i saw at the square last night. i spent time with the family last night and we are breathing a collective sigh. and the conviction yesterday of derek chauvin. a conviction for murder. not just about derek chauvin, for a lot of folks it was about a criminal justice testimony
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that felt like they were betrayed in so many ways on so many occasions. so the reaction continues for all of the reaction on this country. we are starting there in the windy city. emotions have been running high. over the police shooting death of 17-year-old adam toledo. what's the scene there this morning? >> a collective shy of relief. people are getting ready to get back to a rally. you can see the chanding. they have been out here for about an hour this morning. the verdict was clearly top of mind. we want to hear from one woman about her reaction to the news. >> it is fair, you know.
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i don't feel like it was right him to keep his knee down there for so long. you didn't lift it. they were hurting. it's sad, i feel sad for the officer, you did your job, it cost you your life. >> she hopes that other officers around the country will think twice going forward. that is their job. now craig remember this city in craig saw in the just a few years ago. and even though since then dozens have been looking at this. most recently with the shooting and killing of 13-year-old adam toledo. we saw his hands in the air and empty before he was shot and killed. i was covering a lot of people that were expressing doubt. there is still remaining
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skepticism even after this verdict. >> there in chicago, the relationship with the police has been fraught for some time. the reaction there, what was is? the verdict here in minneapolis? >> much of what we heard really in minneapolis and across the country is what we heard here in new york. it's always eerie to be here 12 hours after there was a huge swell of people. as they were reading the verdict in minneapolis there was a small crowd gathering in the middle. they were listening to the verdict being read and folks were celebrating. but as the crowd swelled, it very much became a mixed bag of emotions. folks were happy about the verdict because as you said, so many people felt like they had been wronged by this justice
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system. that black men and women continue to be killed. they thought what is next for us? what is the next step? thing that's we could change in this country on a legislative level. police reform needs to happen. i spoke to someone who speaks for the people of new york. and he talked about the conversation that needed to happen now. . >> we can't just rest on a conviction. but we have to remember the trouble around the conversations. and until we have that conversation it could be a snep that direction. >> he said we immediate to have
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that conversation. he feels like it is a step in the right direction there was one man that said i lived in new york my whole life. i have seen this my whole entire life. i'm not shocked that the conviction came down. i want to mention they marched for sol dare i did solidarity with george floyd. >> one of the things that i spent some time talking to the floyd family about is what do they want to see come from this? what do they want to see, not just in terms of legislation, but what do they want to see?
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and they were very much addiment about the idea that george floyd's death should not be the end of something, it should be the start of something in this country. we will spend more time talking to members of george floyd's family about what they want to see happen in the >> a way to turn the pain into purpose. craig melvin, great reporting on the ground. we are looking forward to your show in a couple of minutes from now. coming up, president biden set to announce a new milestone in the race to vaccinate people against covid. what we know about the announcement he is about to make and news this morning of where the johnson & johnson vaccine is getting put back into the mix. that's next. t. . i do motivational speaking in addition to the substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling-- to give back to younger people. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they used to or they don't remember things as vividly as they once did. i've been taking prevagen for about three years now.
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on friday, this coming friday, the cdc is expected to decide here whether we should resume use of the johnson & johnson vaccine. that recommendation set to come in a couple of days. peter alexander is at the white house. i know you have new reporting on what we expect to hear from president biden this afternoon. >> reporter: that's exactly right. we will hear from the president in the 1:00 hour eastern time where we are told he will focus on hitting this 200 million vaccine shot mark in his 100 days. you remember that they doubled that goal. initially it was 100 million in 100 days. they say this week they will surpass 200 million. a significant one. it comes against this backdrop of the new concern that some states are seeing doses go unused right now. we hear indications from white house officials that president biden is trying to keep the momentum going today, will create accommodations for employers to try to help some of their employees get vaccinated if they have not done so yet. this week, there was the beginning of a media blitz by
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the administration trying to emphasize that all americans 16 and older are now eligible for the vaccine. more than 50% of american adults to this point have now received at least one shot. the biggest takeaway here -- it's why we are going to hear from the president today is what an administration official told me, their biggest concern is when they get to the place where there are more vaccine shots available than there are americans who want them, they know the urgency to overcome that challenge. >> peter alexander, live for us at the white house, thank you. coming up, craig melvin is anchoring live from minneapolis. he is talking with one of george floyd's cousins and a member of the city council with lots developing this morning. we'll be right back. ng this mor. we'll be right back. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect.
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up next, craig melvin picks up our coverage live from minneapolis. a good wednesday morning to you. a good wednesday morning to you, craig melvin here on the ground in minneapolis, minnesota. this is a city that is sharing a collective exhale this morning. it's also a city that's waking up to breaking news. in the last hour, attorney general garland announcing that the justice department will launch what's called a pattern and practice investigation into this minneapolis police department. here is part of what the attorney general said. >> most of our nation's law enforcement officers do their difficult jobs honorably and lawfully. i strongly believe that good officers do not want to work in systems that allow bad practices. >> it's a federal review of how the department does its job. we will go to pete williams in a
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