america. but it's in process. we don't have enough to be confident to send it abroad now, but i expect we're going to be able to do that. thank you. >> president biden there, i'm katy tur. remember, he announced that he was going to get 100 million shots in his first 100 days in office. there he is million shots, his 92nd day in office. also encouraging employers to pay employees to get a vaccine. the shots are eligible, they're free, sign up to get one. we have a lot more on where we stand with covid and the vaccination process, and the hurdles still to come a little bit later in this hour, but bear with us because we are juggling

a lot of breaking news. as we come on the air, we are awaiting a news conference from the mayor of columbus, ohio. that is expected to begin at any moment. it comes today after the fatal police shooting of 16-year-old maciah bryant after police answered a call of an attempted stabbing. police have body cam video of those shots fired. protesters immediately filled the streets around that scene. city officials are pleading for patience and calm. we will have the mayor's news conference for you as soon as it begins, which, again, should be any moment. meantime derek chauvin is spending his first full day in an orange jumpsuit locked in a cell inside a maximum security prison. but yesterday's verdict, chauvin taken away in handcuffs isn't the end of this story by a long shot. for the floyd family and for advocates of systemic reform of policing in america, it is just the beginning. and to that end today, attorney general merrick garland

announced a sweeping investigation into the minneapolis police department. >> the investigation i am announcing today will assess whether the minneapolis police department engages in a pattern or practice of using excessive force, including during protests. the investigation will also assess whether the mpd engages in discriminatory conduct and whether its treatment of those with behavioral health disabilities is unlawful. it will include a comprehensive review of the minneapolis police department's policies, training, supervision and use of force investigations. >> today also marks the beginning of the next court battle in the derek chauvin case, his prison sentence, exactly how much time he will get and whether the judge will add time based on aggregating factors that the prosecution merit a longer sentence, factors

including that george floyd's murder happened in front of children and that chauvin abused his position of authority as a police officer. much more on that in just a second. it also marks a turn toward the trial this summer of the other three officers charged in george floyd's death and what derek chauvin's verdict means for them. joining me now is nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez who remains in minneapolis, former chief public defender for hennepin county, mary moriarty, and the president of action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. we want to get word about the shooting in ohio yesterday. let's go there. >> we want to talk about the body-worn cameras and the facts we know and we can share.

we're going to increase the use of the body cam video we can show today. last night we showed you a short snippet of one officer's video. today we'll be playing three videos of the officers, the first officers to arrive on scene and the offers who were at scene when the shooting took place. the full video will be available to you through the public records release process that has already been conducted, so that video is ready for you to pick up. we're also going to play two 911 calls that we received. those were the only two calls we received related to this incident. i want to provide you with some additional information that we have, officers' life-saving attempts and measures almost immediately after the shots were fired. those included an assessment of injuries and wounds and cpr. there is a switch between officers providing cpr. one officer conducted cpr for several minutes and was relieved by a second officer.

90 seconds after the shots were fired, the fire alarm notice was notified that we need a medic at that scene. six minutes after the shots were fired, a madison township medic arrived at scene and performed life-saving measures to include transport to mt. carmel east hospital. are we ready with the 911 calls? we'll first play the first 911 calls so you have that information. >> 911, where is your emergency? >> 7171 region lane. >> do you have an apartment number? what's going on? [ inaudible ] >> are you going to talk to me?

>> we got some girls trying to fight us, trying to stab us, putting hands on our grandma. get here now! >> doing what, ma'am? ma'am, do you see any weapons? >> we need a police officer here now. >> do you see any weapons? >> we need an officer here now. no! >> the remaining time on that audio will just be a dial tone, but again, you'll have that full information. we'll play the second call now. >> 911, what's the address of your emergency?

>> it's on legion lane. >> what's the emergency there? >> well, never mind, the police are already here. never mind, thank you. >> again, those are the only two 911 calls we received and we did not receive any 64549 emergency line calls. just for some additional information, we received that first call at 4:32 p.m. officers were dispatched at 4:35 p.m., and the first officers arrived at scene at 4:44 p.m. the first video we're going to show you is from officer nicholas reardon. officer reardon was working a one-officer car. he was hired in december of 2019. he is currently assigned to zone 2, second shift, and he is the officer that discharged his firearm. >> forgive us, we're going to

come out of this news conference for just a moment because we haven't seen that body cam footage and we want to be able to screen it first to make sure we're not showing you anything that is too graphic. so give us a moment to get through that. we will get it to you as soon as. but i do want to get into some of the facts of this case and update all of you where it stands right now. let's bring in msnbc law enforcement analyst cedric alexander. he is the past president of the organization of black exeutives and a former member of president obama's task force on policing. cedric, it's good to see you. we do still have the other panel on george floyd and derek chauvin standing by, but let's take a break to talk about what happened here. this happened yesterday right before the verdict was read in the derek chauvin case. it is an officer that pulled up to a scene, saw a girl, bryant, according to the police seemingly lunging at another girl with a knife, and that

officer opened fire. when you see the body cam footage, what is your response? do you have any concerns about how the officer made that split second decision? is there something else he could have done? >> well, i think it's important to know the first thing that happened here, is that the chief did something very important here. he allowed information out as quickly as he could, as much information as they were able to give out to the public. that is hugely important any time you have an officer-involved shooting. each case is going to be very different. let's go to the scene of the limited amount of video we've been able to see thus far. any time that someone is a threat to injury to another person or to that officer, he or she, that officer has the right to protect the public and they have the right to protect themselves. it is unfortunate, it is hugely unfortunate, that it had to be a 16-year-old child or anyone, for that matter.

but had that officer not reacted based on his training, based on the circumstances, based on how that unfolded as quickly as it did in close proximity to each other, he made a decision to use deadly force. now, here's another piece that's going to be very important in this. this is going to need to be an investigation that i hope is going to be conducted by an outside source other than columbus pd itself. that, too, will give credibility to the investigation, and that investigation has formed unity ongoing as to what is developing, where that investigation is at that time. so i think it's very important for us not to get too far ahead of the video that we're looking at, because there's going to be other video and other witness statements that's going to be introduced, but i think at the end of the day of this, based on limited information that we have, we've got to allow this investigation to carry itself out, but certainly in answer to

your question, that officer has the right to protect others and he has a right to protect himself. >> so we do have the footage that the columbus police released yesterday. again, we are reviewing what they are releasing right now. we'll get it to you as soon as we possibly can. but let us show you the edited portions of body camera footage last night showing the fatal shooting of maciah bryant. a warning that this footage is pretty disturbing. >> what's going on? hey, hey, hey! get down, get down! >> so we stopped it right before the shots were fired. police officers say in that last frame you just saw, it appears that bryant was lunging at another girl with a knife. obviously the investigation we've been talking about,

cedric, is still ongoing. the timing, though, is inflaming tensions around the country, especially given what just happened with derek chauvin. there are a number of protesters on the street regarding what they saw there, and there are a lot of people out there who are saying, why not use a taser? why is the first thing that happens the pulling of a gun? >> that officer had to make an assessment whether a taser was appropriate to use. when you have someone in close proximity and they're right on top of you, that taser is not going to be effective. he had to make that decision in the moment itself. but here again, we have to allow this investigation to take effect so that we can get other angles, get other witness interpretation. officers have to look at that whole scene to see how it came

together. unfortunately, we're in a place in this country where police and community relations are clearly at a very difficult place and have been for some time. this is not new, to be perfectly honest with you, but this is where we are at this particular moment. we also have to remember, we've got 18,000 police departments out there at this very moment, 800,000 police officers who are enforcing laws across this country. so what is the likelihood of another event happening in this country? it could happen at any time. so we, as a nation, we as people who are witnessing are able to have the technology today that can bring us right to what happened, anyway, but we have to make sure that we step back, because at the end of the day, we want a case to be thoroughly and trustworthily investigated so people can feel good about

what that outcome may be. at this time things are tense. even though you had a guilty conviction yesterday in this country, this is not a hail mary. this is not a high-five moment in this nation around things being okay. we have to keep our foot on the gas. reform and reimagining policing are, in my opinion -- i don't even call it that anymore. i refer to it as we need to redefine public safety, what it looks like in this country and what we want it to be. but this is the beginning of an investigation that is going to certainly play itself out over the next few days. >> let's bring in reverend al sharpton. rev, i know you've been listening along and ced has been making good appointments about letting the investigation unfold and the differences that we're seeing in this case and what we saw with derek chauvin. but as you know, and what cedric has alluded to, there is a lot of tension right now between the community and the police and a lot of mistrust. part of that stems from the way

incidents are described unless there is video showing otherwise. for instance, in the george floyd case, just taking the minneapolis police's word for it after it happened, their press release described it not at all like that camera footage showed. "man dies after medical incident during police interaction." they say nothing about the subdual, they say nothing about derek chauvin's knee on george floyd's neck. it was very sanitized, and, frankly, very misleading when we got the initial report from the minneapolis police, which was defied by all of that video we saw. so when people are looking at a video like we are seeing right now, that body cam footage, and the video we are about to see, the additional body cam footage, how do you -- how do you balance the need to be a little wary of

statements from the police but also allow it to give time for the police and outside investigators to conduct an investigation into exactly what happened? >> that is the price we're paying for the distortions that police departments like here in minneapolis has done, and that is why many of us that have been activists and advocates have said they're the ones that broke the trust. what do you tell people when we, less than 24 hours ago, saw a policeman convicted of two counts of murder and one of manslaughter when the initial reports was the exact opposite of that? i'm in a car right now going to the wake of daunte wright who was killed by a policewoman here in brooklyn station in minnesota right in the same district that george floyd was killed in, and

she is a 26-year veteran, said she thought her gun was a taser, and we're doing his funeral tomorrow. i'm going to accompany his family to the wake to see his body for the first time. so these things keep happening, and the police records are distorted, and in some cases, appear to be fabricated. but at the same time it doesn't mean that all of them are. how do you judge which ones? the family in columbus have reached out to us. we're going to be looking at that network, but we can't get out of the george floyd case without a funeral for another police victim right here in minneapolis. and before we got the verdict last night, the floyd family and i and attorney ben crump, we hear that was going on in ohio. that is why, katy, we must have federal law. we need to deal with federal guidelines on policing that operate in 50 states so that we do not end up going to this

almost state by state. it reminds us of state rights at the end of the day about how to interpret policing. it is tearing the very fabric of this company apart in terms of people we trust and pay to serve and protect. >> we're still watching that news conference in columbus with the police chief there. we'll go back in after the video is over. we apologize to viewers but we do want to screen it first. it's pretty consistent with how we approach these sorts of things. cedric, in talking about police approach so far, we're seeing something similar to what we saw in brooklyn center which is the police chief and local officials coming out immediately and saying, here is the entire context. we're putting it out there in the public record so everybody knows what happens from our perspective. it did not go well with brooklyn center. the police chief resigned, and new leadership has been installed there. how do you feel this is playing

out so far? and again, i know we cut off the point where we saw that body cam footage. >> it goes right to the essence of what i've been saying for months and for years, quite frankly. policing in this country has lost a lot of its legitimacy. reverend al is right, it's because of police themselves who have put themselves in that position, not the community. so what we're in at this very moment is a society in communities across this country that just find it very hard to believe anything that police are saying, especially when they report on themselves. now, here's what we do. any time that we have a shoot, and we learned this back in 2015, it's important to get out to the public what we know at this point. we have to be forthright, we

have to be truthful and we cannot exaggerate it or make it something that it is not. here's what we know up to this point. because the public wants to know. but the problem is here at this very moment, we are undercovering, and it's been revealed that there are reports written by police that are written in favor of the police in what they report. this is why it is so important that doing these investigations, yes, as a chief you can say to the public, here's what we know up to this point, but there needs to be an outside entity that begins to look into these investigations and can do it in a way that is not -- a way that is nonbiased, because the problem becomes people do not trust at this moment what police are saying and what police is writing. and the reverend is right, if

you look at all these events that are going on, we get out of one, we actually don't get out of any of them, one is happening one behind the other. but it becomes important, though, as a community that we still have to maintain a level of decorum where we have to allow for some reputable organization to come in, whether it's the state or the feds that come in and do an investigation and do it fairly. now, another piece that's important in all of this as well. there needs to be federal regulations across this country of how police departments are going to function. early in my career, midway in my career, i would not have told you that. but where i am and what i send back and i see today, the problem is you have 50 states, you have 18,000 police departments doing it different ways. you have a lot of great police

departments out there with very good chiefs such as acevedo who is now down in miami and many others i can name. but at the end of the day, there's still 18,000 police departments out there. there needs to be some uniform regulations around what you can and can't do. that's a start in this. so i think it becomes incumbent upon all of us as american citizens in this real funky place we're in right now in this nation is that we keep our eyes on the ball around reform and the things that need to occur, but we also have to be mindful we have to judge each case individually in and of itself. but, here again, very realistically, what the public is seeing, and not just black citizens in this country, citizens all across this country, we're seeing these events that are happening over and over and over and over

again, and somehow the victims always appear to be people of color who die so tragically. >> yeah. listen, i think you're making some really salient points there, and there is the justice and policing act in front of congress being debated today. we have a little more on where that stands in the divide between democrats and republicans in just a moment. but let's go back to columbus because the mayor of columbus is now speaking about this incident. stay with us, gentlemen. >> we don't yet have all of the facts, but we do know that a 16-year-old girl, child in this community, tragically died last night. we released the officer's body worn camera footage as soon as possible. we'll release all other

information as soon as we can. we also need to be careful about not compromising the investigation being conducted by vci. we believe that transparency with the public is the utmost priority during this difficult time. bottom line, did maciah bryant need to die yesterday? some are guilty but all of us are responsible. vci will determine if the officer involved was wrong, and if he was, we would hold him accountable as we have other officers who have committed wrongdoing, criminally or in violation of the policies and procedures of the division of

police. transparency, accountability absolutely critical to our community during this time of crisis. how do people in our community come together, to help kids know that they don't need to resort to violence to solve disputes or to protect themselves. we remain committed to accountability for all actions between our police and neighbors. the bci investigation is the first step in unraveling what led to the tragic death of yet another child in our community. this is what we have done thus far. we release officer body cam video worn at the incident.

we release all information about the incident. we are releasing body cam footage from the officers this afternoon. we'll release cruiser cam video either later today or early tomorrow morning. we continue to work with faith leaders, community leaders and the media to share everything we can without compromising the investigation. because we know how critical timely, full, transparent information is to the public right now. i would like safety director pettis to come forward and share a few words. >> thank you, mayor. i understand the outrage and

emotion around this incident. a teenage girl is dead. and she's dead at the hands of a police officer. under any circumstances, that is a horrendous tragedy. but the video shows there is more to this. it requires us to pause, take a close look at the sequence of events, and though it's not easy, wait for the facts as determined by an independent investigation. we have to ask ourselves, what information did the officer have? what did he see? how much time did he have to assess the situation? and what would have happened if

he had taken no action at all? we don't yet have those answers. but these are some of the questions that are asked and addressed in disciplinary hearings that come before me. as chief woods has indicated, a fully independent investigation is being conducted by bci. the results will be public. so i plead with the community, let us not rush to judgment. as i said last night, fast facts should not come at the cost of complete and accurate facts. the loved ones of mahkia bryant have my most sincere sympathies

and we as a community should wrap them in love and we should allow the process to play out. thank you. >> again, i am limited in the information not only that i can share but in the information that i have. as i stated earlier, the division of police, our responsibility is to provide information, not to conduct this investigation. so i will try and answer some questions that you have. >> chief woods, who is on the first 911 call? >> we don't know that. that will be bci interviewing all the witnesses to determine who made those phone calls. the division of police did not interview any witness or anyone that day, and we will not interview them? >> did the woman on the scene say it was makhia? >> i do not have that information. >> who are the other people in

the video, for example, the woman on the ground, the woman in pink? how old were they and what are their relationships? >> again, those are witnesses, so they were referred to bci, so bci would have that information, but that's part of their investigation. you saw the officers placing individuals in the backs of cruisers. that was the extent of our involvement right then. we wanted to separate the individuals, keep them separate, but we didn't interview them, that's an entirely exclusive bci process. >> this question has to do with policy more than it has to do with the investigation. since it happened, and we heard the mayor call for transparency with body cameras, one of the

questions that has gone viral on social media, in what situation does the officer use a taser instead of a gun? again, about policy, not to this specific situation. >> i can't respond to that directly, but when an officer is faced with someone with deadly force, deadly force can be the answer the officer gives. >> at what point is it okay for said officer to use a taser versus a service weapon? >> again, if there is not deadly force being perpetrated on someone else at that time, an officer may have the opportunity to have cover, distance and time to use a taser. but if those things aren't present and there is an active assault going on in which someone could lose their life, the officer can use their firearm to protect that third

person. >> mr. mayor, it's very rare for a police agency in this country to release body camera video as fast as this police department did. you pretty quickly, after the shooting, sent out a couple tweets saying there is camera video, indicating by the police. did you push for trying to get it released last night? >> no. i think we all knew as a city and as a community that there were a lot of things being said and shared out in the community that mayor may not have been consistent with what we have seen with our own eyes here. i think critically during a time of crisis, it's very important to be as transparent and responsive as possible. and so we work closely with the director and the chief and their teams to make sure we got this

footage out. now you have everything that we have that has been processed and we'll be sharing more in the hours, days, weeks ahead that doesn't compromise the investigation. because it's critically important for us, for the public, to have the information that we have so we can be transparent as possible. >> to follow up on that, whose idea was to release all that information? why was it done? was it done to calm emotions and did it calm emotions, do you think? >> it was done because the public deserves to know what happens. they needed to have this footage. the reason i made body-worn cameras my top priority when i was running and we invested so much during my first term is to have this information, to have this transparency, to have this power given to the community. so it's no longer about an officer's word versus a resident's word or different neighbors' takes on things, but we have this footage and we know

that having this footage increases accountability on both sides of the camera. and this is also why we are upgrading our body-worn camera system this year in partnership with counsel to make sure we ever the best available information and footage to share with the public as these things take shape. >> a follow-up on that. now that we've seen how quickly this body camera footage can be released, is that going to be for all body-worn cameras moving forward? or is this a unique circumstance? >> i think it will have to be something we will evaluate. my goal was to have something shared as quickly as possible. as you know, my priority was entering into executive order, the first time ever the city has had independent investigations take place with police-involved shootings that bci is handling

in this case as well as the case involving andre hill from december. that was the top priority and something that we believe is important, that folks know that there is an independent investigation taking place when there are police-involved shootings and deaths in custody. that's something we will shoot for and make a priority, because, again, we believe transparency is most important during times like these. >> you talk about the need for reflection and responsibility. regardless whether the investigation finds this officer acted inappropriately or within protocol, are you going to be calling for change to try to prevent another shooting like this? >> absolutely. the fact we had a 16-year-old girl armed and involved with physical violence with folks in that community, that's something to look and say, what are we

doing or not doing? how can we better serve young people who are facing one of the greatest spikes of violence in this city and in cities across america? what else can we be doing? as you know, we're seating our first ever civilian review board. we're looking at our training and how we're recruiting and the types of officers we're putting on the street and what we're equipping them with all in response to the matrix report and the consumer safety advisory recommendations. so this is going to be a top priority for this city moving forward as we continue with change and reform. we'll be hiring the first external chief of police in the city's history in the coming months, and we think that, with other steps, will help us deal with what the community is calling for. >> chief woods, you described how the policy allows an officer to discharge their officer to avoid deadly harm.

what did you train your officers as to how many times they can discharge their weapon before determining they need to keep discharging their weapon? >> training says you fire until the threat is over. so there were shots fired, but i can't assess what the officer is thinking. that will be through his statement. but training is you fire to stop the threat. >> chief, may i ask you about the gentleman who is also seen in the video who was seen picking up the girl who was on the ground? are they investigating that as a separate assault? >> we're looking at that, but before we can talk to that person or any other individual to look at any other crime that may have been committed during this, bci again has to have the first opportunity to talk to everyone there. once they give us information that those interviews have been completed and that it's okay, then we will step in and see if there are additional individuals who need to have charges filed.

>> if i can ask about your previous statement. what do you think could have been done differently to avoid what happened last night? >> obviously we'll know a lot more once we have the independent investigation completed and the results back from that, which will be an exhaustive process that we have a great deal of confidence in, and the people have confidence that it will be an independent investigation. certainly what i was speaking to is this larger spike in violence that you and i have talked about a number of times over the past year, year and a half. and what we need to be doing as a community to prevent the type of violence before any officer arrives on the scene that was taking place in one of our neighborhoods. it's going to require all of us to step up and do more to invest in our young people and make sure that they have positive

programmatic pathways to a brighter future. there are so many young people right now that are hopeless. they feel like they don't count, they don't matter and there is no impact on their future. and they continue to see their friends shot and killed day after day, week after week, month after month. there is a hopelessness out there amongst young people, and that is something collectively as a community we're going to have to address. >> mayor, you talked about this a little bit, but it was also said this morning that guns cannot be a final answer for threats like this. what specifically did you see on that tape that makes you think this may not have been appropriate or an alternative that the officer did act appropriately given the circumstances? >> obviously the investigation will respond to that, and we'll answer that both on the criminal side and then policy side for the division of police. after seeing that, after seeing

all the reforms we're involved with, including the crisis response and things we're investing in will help. i don't know if any of those things would have, you know, had a different outcome based on what we've seen in this footage, but we won't know completely until that independent investigation is finished. >> chief, one of the big questions that has been asked primarily on social media, and it may seem like a silly question that people should already know, but it's a legitimate question that a lot of people are asking. can an officer shoot the leg? can they shoot somewhere that would not result in a fatal wound, right? a lot of people have said, couldn't he just have shot her in the leg, shot her in the arm, something like that. >> one of the difficult things with that is when you're trying -- we don't train to shoot the leg because that's a small target. we train to shoot center mass, what is available to stop that threat. there was a threat going on, a

deadly force threat that was going on, so the officer is trained to shoot center mass, the largest part of a body that is available to them. when you try to start shooting legs or arms, rounds miss and then they continue on and there are people behind that that could be in danger that are not committing anything. so we try and minimize any danger to anyone else if we have to use our firearm. >> chief, is 12 minutes response time appropriate? >> we were responding to that as a stabbing. as you heard from the 911 call, there was confusing information. the dispatchers tried to get more information to decipher what was going on. the second call was very abbreviated once

dispatchers is ask those questions, try to get as much information as they can, so officers traveling to a scene have all that information. in this instance, i think it was very chaotic, there was a lot of screaming going on in the background, it was very loud, so all that information we weren't able to get would have been beneficial. but as far as a 12-minute response time, i also don't know what else was going on in the city at that time. we have to prioritize, we only have so many resources, so if there were other priority calls for service going on at that time, we have to look at that, and then are cars available for that? >> the officer referred -- the caller referred to "trying to stab us." that's not an emergency? >> we received the call, the call was written up, but do we have cars available to respond? that's a question i just don't have the answer to right now.

>> do we know the proximity of the officer when he fired the shots? >> i do not. >> do you know if those two girls were injured, the one that goes down and the girl that they were heading towards? do we know anything about injuries? >> i believe they were minor injuries. i don't have the extent of those injuries, though. >> do you know what kind of injuries? >> i don't have that information. any information they would have provided would have gone to bci, not the columbus police. >> the first call came in at 4:42, is that correct? >> yes. >> do you know when the second call came in? >> i don't have that time. i just have the information that we received the first call at 4:42. >> and an officer was dispatched at 4:45. >> 4:45. >> does it typically take three minutes to dispatch an officer to a scene? >> again, a dispatcher has -- this is zone 2 so this is a

large part of the southeast part of columbus, so there are four precincts on that zone. it was an afternoon, it was a nice day. there may have been a lot of calls for service, so what cars are available. they rank those in priorities, priority 1, priority 2. this was a priority 2 call. once a car is available, they get dispatched. >> do you know how many gunshot wounds the deceased had? >> i do not. that's a bci question. >> does police policy declare that he has to announce he is about to shoot before he does shoot? >> we try, but it is not a policy to yell your intent that you're firing a weapon. >> is that something they are taught to -- >> if there is time and opportunity, yes, we try to include that, but it is not a requirement if time and opportunity is not there. >> do you know if mahkia did

live in that community? >> i can't confirm her residence or any information about her. >> do we know what this disturbance was about? >> we don't. again, that will be obtained through investigations from bci. they're getting that first crack. they want to have that information, they want to have that information fresh. i would like to just kind of mention your question about the timeliness and how quickly we were able to get this information out there. one of the things that has to occur before we get that is that bci wants to have the opportunity to look at that body-worn camera footage, so we send a homicide detective to that scene with a computer that allows them to watch that. they want to review all that body-worn camera so when tha when they're doing that investigation, they want to make sure they've collected any evidence, so they're getting that first opportunity. last night that first opportunity to view that happened quickly. that body-worn camera was

brought into police headquarters. he uploaded it into the system and we got it out as quickly as we could, i believe five and a half hours. that's extremely fast and i'm not going to say that we're going to be able to do that every time. if there are a lot more videos to watch, bci has to go through all those videos to get an understanding of what took place, who to interview, what the crime scene looked like. so it's a time factor to make sure they have that information before any of us do. bci agents watched all of that body-worn camera before it was ever brought to me. >> chief, what's your analysis of that video? >> it's a tragedy. there's no other way to say it. it's a 16-year-old girl. i'm a father. her family is grieving.

regardless of the circumstances associated with this, a 16-year-old girl lost her life yesterday. i sure as hell wish it hadn't happened. >> thank you. >> so the police chief right there saying his reaction is that it's a tragedy and he wish it did not have to happen. bci, that's the bureau of criminal investigation. it is a division of the ohio attorney general's office. that's the independent investigation that law enforcement and the mayor continued to cite. wait for the independent investigation to proceed. he got a really important question there, the chief of police did, about when it is appropriate to use your gun according to their policy and when it is appropriate to use your taser. according to the chief, when officers are faced with someone employing deadly force, they are authorized to use deadly force in response, an active assault

or somebody's life at risk, and they are authorized to fire until, as he said, the threat is over. this officer fired four times. we do have one of those videos. we are working to turn it around. we should have it for you momentarily. so stay with us for that. but let us bring back cedric alexander and reverend al sharpton. reverend, i do want to start with you. the safety director pettus said it's important to see what the officer saw, how much time he had to assess the situation, and what might have happened if he did not react at all. your reaction? >> my reaction is that that may sound logical if you are not dealing in a crime where you do not trust what police are going to say. i was in columbus, ohio in

december doing a eulogy and participating in those that raised the questions around the andre hill shooting right there in columbus and worked through congresswoman beatty and attorney ben crump. it's not like the ohio state police department did not have issues, who the community distrusts. here was andre hill going into his car on the driveway visiting a friend. so we are dealing with people who may sound logical, but the question is to the community, are they believable? and that is the problem we're having with policing, which is, again, why i'm being redundant that we must have a standard nationally rather than going state by state, department by department. and i agree with what was said. you have 18,000 police departments. we need to have one set of guidelines, one set of rules and build the trust back in this country by doing what is, i

think, the only appropriate thing to do is hold police to legal standards, and if there are criminal standards, as was done here in minneapolis. >> so, ned, let's talk about another thing the he gave. a lot of people asked this question of police. why don't you shoot to injure or to immobilize? why do you shoot to kill? and the police chief responded by saying, we don't shoot for the leg or an arm, because it is a smaller target. and we're trying for accuracy here so we shoot toward center mass, center of the body. he said they do that pause they don't want to endanger anybody else who might be within the vicinity. that is a question that comes up a lot when people are talking about the use of force. why does it always have to be deadly force? what did you make of his response? >> well, you know, let me say

this. he partly answered a question. the other part to that question that i would say would be this. having been a trained police officer myself. when you aim for an arm or a leg in a quickly evolving situation such as we saw in that video, he could have done more harm by attempting to shoot in an arm and a leg but the threat could have still continued. we have seen that over many cases in officer-involved shootings. now the tragedy of all of this is this. regardless whether that child had been shot in the leg or arm or center mass to stop the threat, it was a tragedy. and that is something that will be very hard for the american people to take their eye off of. what i don't want to do and none of us want to do is minimize

what happened here. we're still talking about a 16-year-old. and we can go back, city mayor and all of us go back and talk about what they need to do to engage young people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. but the fact of the matter is, there's so many elements in our communities and cities across this country that are broken that we can't put the blame in just one place. not only do we have to hold police responsible, i will say we also have to hold the same people who hired these chiefs and these police officers responsible. as elected officials because they're in columbus, as you heard reverend al relate to. they have had some other issues in that city and he shalls around mistrust. when you have that and it continues and people see it over and over and over again, we can't help but sit here and be

upset about all of this because there's no uniform process over doing anything different and that becomes the problem in all of this. it's a tragedy, period. we all wish it hadn't happened. >> trust is easy to lose. very hard to gain back. at the end of all of this, as the police chief said, there is a 16-year-old girl, makaya bryant, who is now dead. it is a tragedy. thank you so much for joining us. we're going to turn back to the other breaking news of the day. that's reaction to the verdict in the derek chauvin murder trial. reverend al sharpton, you're still with me. also with us, chief public defender for hennepin county mary moriarty and president and ceo of the naacp. mary, i want to talk about the charges -- or the conviction now for derek chauvin and the sentencing. it carries a certain standard sentence but the prosecution is

asking for aggravated circumstances. the judge will rule on that. sometimes it's the jury, but chauvin waived the jury from doing that and it will now be the judge. what is your expectation of how he might rule? >> so, the guidelines sentence, the midrange is 150 months, which is about 12 1/2 years. aggravating factors, there are five of them. one is particular cruelty, one is the presence of minors. and there were some particular acts of cruelty here. what i think the judge will be doing is looking at the knorr case, a former police officer who shot and killed a woman here in minneapolis. that's really the only case for comparison and he got 12 1/2 years and that was on third-degree murder. if you look at his actions compared to chauvin's, i think most people would agree that chauvin's were much more egregious.

i expect the judge to be comparing what knorr got and giving chauvin something greater than that, but nowhere near the statutory maximum of 40 years. >> derek, it certainly sends a message to police officers that chauvin was found guilty on all three of these charges and potentially could face more time in prison for these aggravating circumstances, as mary was just discussing. as the rev has been saying, as cedric just said, it's more than just one case. it has to be national accountability. it has to be a national move to address policing in this country. a federal move to address policing in this country. it's being debated in congress right now, but it doesn't seem to have legs among many republicans. what's your message? >> well, we should look at this from a -- this should be the

moment we advance police reforms so people can regain trust and feel safe in their communities. we don't have to get distracted by what republicans want to do or not do. i do have belief that with the negotiation, we're going to get a reform bill out. if we don't get a reform bill out, we're only setting ourselves up for future harm to individuals, to families, and to cities. we avoided a catastrophe yesterday. thank goodness that the jury came back with a clear verdict on all counts. but if that had not happened, cities across this country was bracing for the worst outcome. that's no way to have a democracy. that's no way to run our cities and our government. we have to ensure that equal protection under the law can be afforded to everyone and it is a federal standard we're addressing, doing away with qualified immunity. had derek chauvin been found

innocent yesterday under minnesota's laws, he could have been hired by the police department and the police chief couldn't have done anything about it. >> rev, hang on for a second. we're running out of time. i do want george floyd's cousin, sharita, join the conversation. thank you so much for waiting this long. i know we were expecting to talk to you much earlier in this hour. so, we appreciate your patience and your time. given all that we are seeing right now and given the next steps for you and the foundation, talk to me about the role of the foundation and you will play in lobbying congress, lobbying republicans to move forward with federal policies, george floyd justice and policing act. >> sharita, we do not have your

audio. do you have a mute button on? there it is. >> can you hear me now? >> i can hear you now. >> can you hear me now? okay. as aye apologize. one of the things that we committed to doing early on is being actively involved in the process of making sure there was true change. so the federal policing act as well as the texas hospital ada act are two of the things that we've been actively involved in being a part of. my sister and i actually testified for the house bill 88 in texas. and i know that my cousin was present for the federal act. so we are committed to being present and being active, because we know that true change only will happen if we can have these officers held accountable for when they act unlawfully and they don't protect the people that they were hired to protect and serve. >> shareeduh, there will be a lot of people out there asking

what they can do to help this effort. what can they do? >> well, i think there are many ways that people can help. we have opportunities for individuals to volunteer for us. you know, obviously they can do donations to help us, to be able to move the needle forward. some of the other programs that we're doing with the foundation have to do with youth mentorship and workforce development. so those are the things that we are trying to do to help empower our people to be able to have the best possible outcomes. >> shareeduh tate, thank you so much for waiting this hour to speak with us. mary moriarty, same to you. thank you. reverend al sharpton, thanks to you. i'm sorry that i didn't get a chance to go back to you on what you were originally booked for, derek chauvin and george floyd. derrick, thank you.

ayman mohyeldin will pick up our coverage right now. stay with us. >> good afternoon, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york today. convicted killer derek chauvin is in prison today awaiting his sentencing in eight weeks time. the justice department will launch a pattern and practice investigation into the minneapolis police department as the white house indicates what it wants to see in national reforms. >> as the president alluded to last night in his remarks after the verdict was announced, he believes the bar for convicting officers is far too high. it needs to be changed. >> this, as the family of 20-year-old daunte wright is gathering right now for his viewing, after a police officer shot and killed him during a traffic stop earlier this month. one of the lawyers for the wright and floyd families joins us shortly about the way forward. >> we ar