dr. anthony fauci is here to talk about what the scientists on the panel could decide and a lot more as the nation enters what president biden's calls the next phase of the vaccination race. but first let's get the latest from nbc news correspondent heidi presbola. >> reporter: good afternoon, eamon. the panelists say they were taking a wait and see time out. now today they're saying we waited but we did not see. we did not see additional data showing that this rare side effect, this blood clotting disorder is anything but that, rare. the highest numbers they cited were in women of 7 cases per million women. that is the reason why we're expecting most likely the option here they're going to choose is what the european medicines agency did, was that it's okay to put this back out, to end the pause but put potentially a

warning label on there particularly as it relates to receiving the vaccine among particularly certain age groups or women who may have low platelet counts. the question now and you can ask dr. fauci about this will be how they reintroduce it amid vaccine confidence questions. polling shows, eamon, overall vaccine confidence remains high. however, the question is how they message around this particular vaccine given this extended pause. >> luckily for us we'll be able to pose that question. thank you. i'm joined now by dr. anthony fauci, chief medical advisor to president biden and director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases. let's begin there with what my colleague was talking about, the j&j vaccine. on that subject on sunday you said there would be a, quote, resumption in some form by friday. do you still feel that way after the first hours of this cdc

meeting? >> yes, i believe they're going to make a decision today. exactly what happens after that, how long the takes to get the fda to get all the i's dotted and t's crossed, i'm not exactly sure. but i think you're going to hear today of a decision what to do. and if you look at the history of what has gone on in the european medical agency and what the south africans have made a decision regarding this particular product, you don't want to get ahead of the advisory committee but it's likely it'll be back on track with some sort of a modification just the way your correspondent said likely with some sort of a warning or what have you. but i would be surprised if -- she's quite correct. this is really a very, very rare event, i mean really quite rare. >> and so speaking of that rarity the meeting showed a

slide with 15 claum thrombolytic cases in women, none in men. why not limit the j&j shot to men? >> well, that's a why not that might actually be a yes for all you know. see, you don't want to get ahead of the advisory committee. that's the reason why i'm saying what likely will happen, but they have multiple choices. you know, they could say let it out with nothing attached to it, which i think would be unlikely. or they could say not let it out at all, which i think would be extremely unlikely. what likely will happen is they will let it out there with some sort of restriction. i don't know whether that going to be a warning on the label, whether that's going to be a gender restriction or what it's going to be. i don't know. we leave that up to them. and that's why you bring up a good question. why not? they're going to examine that and they'll tell you why not.

and if it is they'll tell you why it is. >> we'll certainly wait for that news as soon as we do get it. the cdc, dr. fauci, obviously investigating the death of an oregon woman in her late 50s. she received that j&j vaccine and developed a rare and serious blood clot two weeks later. can you walk us through what the cdc is looking at here precisely over the past couple of weeks? >> yeah. what the first thing you want to determine is are there any other cases that might have gone unnoticed? either serious cases that were not reported or maybe cases of a lesser severity, which would give you a bigger number. they want to get the full scope of what had gone on, and that's why they needed the time to look. the other thing they wanted to make sure was that the physicians who might be taking care of people who have this adverse event do the appropriate

thing because the instinctual thing you want to do when you get someone with a clotting abnormality is give them an anti-coagulant like heparin. experience has told us heparin might actually make it worse. so there's a two fold reason for the pausing. one, take a look at the terrain and see if you're missing anything, and number two, get the right treatment protocol out to physicians who might encounter someone with this adverse event. >> and so if we were to talk about that for a moment the way this has been communicated, the j&j vaccine was considered a game changer in getting people vaccinated rapidly and conveniently because it is a one shot and done type of approach. but after these early complications and these production stumbles politico cites seven sources that are, you know, reportedly privately

frustrated, senior health officials that have largely written off the shot and are now more hopeful that j&j will still be ofulous as a booster down the line for immunization in other countries perhaps as the u.s. ramps up its vaccine diplomacy. and i'm curious to get your thoughts. is that report accurate? have officials written off the j&j shot here in the united states? >> absolutely not. so i don't know what officials they're talking about, but i'd speak with officials that are pretty high up if you know what i mean. on a daily basis. and nothing has been written off at all. that's not the case at all. remember this is a very rare complication, a very rare adverse event. i think you shouldn't put aside the fact you had mentioned in the -- you know, leading up to the story is what impact is this going to have an hesitancy?

i think what people should realize that the system worked, that if we could call a pause for an adverse event that's so exceedingly rare, the fact is if you look at all of the other things that are going on with the other vaccines, for example with the mrna in which like 130 doses of people have received single dose or more there have been no red flags that have gone up. so the system of monitoring is exquisitely sensitive. so when you look at that, you can look on the other side of the coin and say, you know, when they say it's safe, it really must be safe. because they have a very, very sharp trigger finger of stopping things when they think they have to look at it, and that's exactly what they did here. they looked at it. and if you hear this evening that they say there's not enough

cases at all then it's going to be a very, very rare event. >> on the one hand you have the white house saying they have enough supply for every adult in this country with pfizer and moderna which implicitly means they don't need the johnson & johnson vaccine for supply purposes. they may need it for convenience but not supply purposes. and even though it is a rare risk, why even take something that has a rare risk involved in it? >> yeah, because there are a lot of people. and believe it or not more than we would have imagined who really like the idea about a single shot vaccine. in fact, there were several people we interviewed just to try and get a survey what the scene is, what the terrain is out there. people are saying they're sorry it was paused. they can't wait until it gets back because they'd rather have a single dose vaccine. so there will be plenty of people who will prefer having a single dose vaccine. that's the really important

advantage of that in addition to the cold chain issues and others. so it is an effective vaccine and has advantages depending upon the situation you're in. >> i have to play for you this sound bite from republican senator ron johnson. you may have already heard it. he said the government should not be encouraging young people to take the vaccine because it is on an emergency use authorization. listen to this, sir. >> because it's not a fully approved vaccine i think we probably should have limited the distribution to the vulnerable, to people that really aren't -- to the very young i see no reason to be pushing vaccines on people. what is the point? the science tells us vaccines are 95% effective, so if you have a vaccine quite honestly what do you care if your neighbor has one or not? you got a vaccine and science is telling you it's very, very effective. so why this big push to make

sure everybody gets the vaccine? >> i could be wrong here but it would seem to me that a pandemic is exactly what an emergency use authorization is meant for. but dr. fauci, correct me if i'm wrong here, can you answer the senator's question? why this push to get everyone vaccinated? >> so i'm not understanding, with all due respect, what he's saying. all three of the vaccines that are available are on emergency use. so i'm not sure what the point is. the moderna is on emergency use authorization. the pfizer is an emergency use authorization. and the j&j is an emergency use authorization. >> i think he is referring to all three. not to interrupt you, but i think he's referring to all three, the fact all of them are under this emergency use authorization. why is the government pushing for everyone to have it, certainly those that are 16 -- >> okay, well, there's a pretty good reason we have 567,000 people who died so far in this

country from this disease. that is a really, really good reason to get people vaccinated with a vaccine that was shown to be highly efficacious and quite safe. and that's the reason for the emergency use authorization. we are dealing with an emergency. how can anyone say that 567,000 dead americans is not an emergency? >> let me ask you about something you've said over the course of this past year. certainly on the percentage of the population that it would take to reach herd immunity. and this is how "the new york times" characterized it. they wrote back in december, in the pandemic's early days dr. fauci tended to cite the same 60% to 70% estimate that most experts did. about a month ago he began saying 70%, 75% in television interviews. and last week in an interview with cnbc news he said 75%, 80%,

85%, and 75% to 80% plus. "the times" goes onto write dr. fauci acknowledged he'd slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts partly on science and his gut feeling the country is ready to hear what he really thinks it may take close to 90% immunity to bring the virus to a halt. can you clarify for us? that was obviously back in december. here we are at the end of april. is 90% still the number or is it even higher than that? >> no, no, no. i don't know what your point of bringing that article up is. people start bringing that up when they go what did you actually mean -- the issue of herd immunity is a very elusive concept because we don't know what that is. i made an estimate it was somewhere between 75% and 80%. it could be more than that, and herd immunity is not just the

immunity induced by vaccine. it's the immunity induced by vaccine plus the immunity that's induced by people who are infected who recovered and who might be protected. the confusing aspect is that that's all moving targets because we don't know, for example, what people who might have gotten infected 9 months ago, whether their immunity is still durable up to now. so when we take a virus like measles in which you've had multiple decades of experience, you know what the herd immunity percentage is of having the population protected to get herd immunity. and you know that because when it goes below that level, you see springing up of cases. we don't have that kind of experience. so whenever you say herd immunity with regard to

coronavirus, you still are in a area where you're speculating exactly what that's going to be. so what i was saying since then and before then you know what we need to do? we need to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can. and when that happens, then you'll start seeing the number of cases dramatically go down. whether that's going to be 70%, 85%, nobody knows right now. we just don't know what that is because we don't have experience with this particular virus right now. >> fair enough. i think i was asking because a lot of people who i speak to on a regular basis use that term as a way out of this. they think the way out of this is going to be when we reach herd immunity and that number is the number people have thrown out. i think that's why people have held onto it. "the washington post" is reporting vaccinations are down

significantly with an 11% decrease in the seven-day average of daily shots administered over this past week. have we peaked in vaccinations? do you expect those numbers to decline given the hesitancy we're seeing in this country? >> you know, i don't think they're going to decline necessarily, eamon, because of the hesitancy. i think when you reach a situation where the ratio between supply and demand starts to narrow, that instead of getting that big push you're going to have a stabilizization. and i wouldn't be surprised. it was between 3 and 4 million per day. now it's hanging around 3, 2.9 per day. if it stays there or comes down a bit more, i wouldn't be surprised. but we still are going to continue to vaccinate a lot of people each day. getting back to what you said before, as we get those 3 million people each day, we're

going to reach a critical point where you're going to start to see the infections go down. in fact, there's a really interesting chart that we don't have now for the viewers that showed israel where their cases were going up, the vaccine was going up and up and then at a critical point all of a sudden the vaccine numbers went up and the cases kept ongoing down. that was at a point where where the number of people who were vaccinated were around 61 or so percent. you add that to the number of people who have been infected and somewhere around there they reach that critical point. do you want to call that herd immunity? you can have people arguing with you about that. the important thing is whatever you call it, the level of infection started to go down dramatically. and that's where we want to be. instead of getting hung on on what that particular number is, just keep vaccinating people and

then it'll start coming down. >> fair point. dr. anthony fauci, before we leave i wanted to share with you this picture. it is of a lawn sign that has a picture of you with the words, let's listen to dr. fauci instead of that person from your high school. so dr. anthony fauci thank you so much for your time and insights as always. appreciate it. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> like wise. president joe biden will deliver his first speech to a joint session of congress next week and make a tax proposal with a big impact on the wealthy in this country. but has the booming stock market performance hurt the argument. you're watching next on msnbc. . . t-mobile for business uses unconventional thinking to help you realize new possibilities. like our new work from anywhere solutions, so your teams can collaborate almost anywhere.

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today president biden announced his first foreign trip will be to the u.k. and belgium for the g-7 summit in june. and he plans to travel to atlanta, a state key to his election victory to promote his infrastructure plan. also expected to propose new taxes on the rich to pay for the next phase of his rescue package, two sources familiar with the plan tell nbc news. this as biden's stock market performance is outsfriping former president trump's according to "the washington post," which writes that even though trump predicted a stock market tank under biden the dow jones is up nearly 16% since the election was called. that's compared to a 10.5% gain

over a similar period following trump's election. joining me now pbs news hour white house correspondent yamiche alcindor. the outline for us -- excuse me, if you can outline for us what is the latest in this proposal of the american families plan, and how is the white house again planning on offsetting the costs of it? >> reporter: right now the white house is still leaning in on the idea they want to really raise funds for this by using taxes on wealthy corporations. that being said, there is a real sense talking to white house officials that they're very open to trying to figure out how to change it. and as you can see in the senate you have senators like joe manchin who of course has been critical because the senate is so close. he's been saying he wants to get a 25% corporate tax rate. the white house initially proposed a 28% corporate tax

rate. while the white house is having conversations with republicans having bipartisan meetings in the oval office, they're leaning into the idea they want to make sure that infrastructure is not just roads and bridges, something republicans have pointed to and said they're trying to add so much to this bill, but they say it has to be about living wages, about helping health care workers, helping communities, understanding equality and trying to remedy some of the systemic racism in our country. so what we see here is still a push and pull. and this doesn't look like there's a final package yet. they're looking at memorial day being the deadline whether or not they decide democrats want to go it alone or continue to work with republicans to get support. >> making the argument the economy performs better under republicans regardless of whether that's actually grounded in fact or not, but have they made a mistake inhave republicans made a mistake by overselling biden having a negative impact on the economy? has this lost them any credibility arguing against his

economic plans? >> reporter: it has definitely with democrats. democrats think the republicans have no credibility when it comes to this issue. they point to the economy saying that under the trump administration, under the republican tax cuts of 2017 the rich have gotten richer. the corporations have gotten richer. but the thing that matters most as far as credibility is concerned is where the american people land. and polls are suggesting that americans are not opposed to increasing taxes on corporations and on the wealthy. and that is pretty significant especially when americans think they're getting something out of it. they're pairing these tax increases with really a big restructuring of the economy to give middle, lower income people a more even playing field. and this seems as far as polling is concerned at this moment, seems to be working for democrats and the biden

administration. >> yamiche, as we mentioned president biden heading to atlanta to mark the 100 days. bloomberg writes that biden's next 100 days look to be a little more turbulent than the first 100 days with a looming immigration challenge, new coronavirus, vaccine hesitancy. how is the white house preparing for this next phase of the administration? >> well, they're preparing for this next phase of the administration by really not wanting to take a victory lap but also wanting to talk about what they have accomplished. we came in with this idea we want to get vaccines ramped up, get the country on a track so we can move toward getting as many people vaccinated as possible, and we've done that. a white house official will say they've hit the goals and marks they setup for themselves. this next phase as you just said is a bit more challenging because on the agenda is policing reform, immigration, the economy, possibly gun

reform. these are the things that have at times troubled administrations, republican and democrat, to really try to get something solid done on these issues. so in my conversations i'm hearing from white house officials that a lot of this is about leaning in on president biden's experience as a long time senator and as a vice president to try to really lean-in on how having relationships with people so he can get some of these bills passed and some of this information out there to the american people. >> the white house press secretary responded to the republican $568 billion infrastructure plan today. watch this. >> there was a republican counter proposal yesterday. the stage we're in now as we will have discussions we'll get a full briefing. we expect those to happen through the course of the next several days. we'll review that plan. we'll ask questions at a staff level and then the president will invite a number of those members down to the white house. >> i guess the people have is this genuine, is this serious?

the $568 billion is only fraction of the democratic package. is this going to be a repeat of the recovery package the white house pretty much dismissed right out of the gate? >> it's different from the recovery act because as you mentioned the white house dismissed right away. now they're at least entertaining. perhaps it's just theater or maybe they're actually serious about working with republicans. we have to wait a bit longer to determine that. but when the republicans introduced their proposal yesterday they gave it to the white house first. they reached out to their democratic counter parts on their committees to let them know what the proposal was. they acknowledged their proposal is not going to be signed into law, but they want it to be an opening offer, a discussion draft to try to get something together. now, you mention the difference in the price tags. well, they also define infrastructure much more -- much differently as well. they're talking just about

transportation infrastructure. and if democrats want to peel off the transportation infrastructure component of their proposal, then perhaps they could get to some sort of smaller agreement and then deal with all the human infrastructure later, eamon. >> all right, leanne caldwell, yamiche alcindor, thanks to both of you on that front. and breaking news on the sentencing of derek chauvin following his murder conviction in the death of george floyd. shoven's sentencing has now been setting for june 16th. and ahead a group of hbcu students hoohave seen black people dying at the hands of police say this trial is a defining moment in their lives. we're liechb in atlanta with how they say it will impact their future. you're watching msnbc. it will future you're watching msnbc.

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this week's guilty verdicts in the derek chauvin murder trial marked a defining moment for the next generation of black leaders and activists. but minutes before the verdicts were read a 16-year-old black teenager was shot and killed by a columbus, ohio, police officer while authorities say she was holding a knife and appeared to be trying to stab two people. and just two days later a funeral was held by 20-year-old daunte wright who was killed by police during a traffic stop. speaking with a group of hbcu students to get their reactions

to this monumental week in our country, and blayne joins me now from atlanta. what did the students have to say, blayne? >> reporter: you know, eamon, i really enjoyed our conversation. they really did have a unique perspective. for so many of us we were watching this closely, but these students told me they believed the events surrounding george floyd's death was a truly defining moment. of course the trial and verdict this week it was something they were watching closely but the other thing about it they all hold this unique distinction of essentially coming of age, unfortunately watching a number of cases like these play out. they were barely teenagers, in fact, when trayvon martin was kill. it was with all that context they watched the verdict this week. and here's a bit of what they told me. quick show of hands, how many of you were surprised by the verdict? so all of you were surprised in some way that it came down

guilty. how many of you were relieved? three of you, okay. >> we have to deal with the fact that after one killer is brought to what people will call justice there's another police officer who murders a 15-year-old young girl that same day. >> so you were what, 13 years old when trayvon martin was killed. so you've been watching a number of these trials almost in rapid succession your entire childhood. >> i'm identifying that because he looks like me. and then you keep going on, and as i age so does the victims. you get mike brown, eric gardener and again it's the cycle of when am i next. >> if it wasn't for the death of trayvon martin when i was in middle school i wouldn't have become passionate about learning about social justice, social change, mass incarceration and

policing. >> do you have hope this will bring about change in police reform, this will bring about change in society? >> so many other victims have not seen justice in the same form, so keeping the reminder that there's a lot of work to be done is really important, and i hope that people our age and people older continue to do that work. >> and you know eamon, i think if i were to sum up their mood i think it's fair to say they were hopeful but only cautiously hopeful. so, yes, they said they were certainly glad to see the verdict but they think of this essentially not as a turning point per se but as a spark as they put it to kind of let them continue to move this forward and hopefully bring about real and lasting change as they told me. eamon? >> i was heartbroken just to say that young man saying when i am next and thinking of his age in relation to the victims of and how old they would be. just absolutely heart breaking to have to hear anyone say that. blayne alexander, thank you so

much for that conversation. joining me now is michael eric dicin', professor of african-american studies at vanderbilt university. michael, great to have you with us as always. i want to get your reaction to what the students had to say to what you just heard there. >> it's remarkable there, a trayvon generation from 13 years old having lived with the repeated spectacle of black death in public and the inability of the police not only to protect them but to preserve a thin fabric of justice so that police are seen as the opposition, the opponent, sometimes the enemy. and many americans are used to believing that the police are there to serve and protect. and yet as one of the young men pointed out on the same day of the chauvin verdict another young black woman went to her death. in more complicated circumstances to be sure, but at

the same time we have seen white people wielding machetes, guns, using a car as a weapon, and they were not taken down in a violent fashion. so it does remind us that we have a long way to go before we reach the oasis of justice in this nation for black people. >> i was struck by that young gentleman's comments about him being next or questioning when he would be next. do these students have more reason to be hopeful that their kids won't have the same concerns or live in the same circumstances? or is this an unbroken cycle we're in? >> so far it's been an unbroken cycle, but they have hope if they can contribute their energy, their time, their intelligence, their wherewithal, their social conscience to making sure things are different. they're not going to get different on their own. they won't get better inevitably and unavoidably because of historical progress. we've got to make a difference. we've got to get out there and put our hands to the plow so to

speak to use an old metaphor to try to make a difference. so that generation can be hopeful if they continue to invest tremendous energy in resisting social justice. but what that generation is also aware of is they're being called upon to do things their white peers and others are not being called to do. others can lollygag, get into their teens, go into their early adulthood and spect the society in which they live won't be aiming a gun ottheir heads or putting their knee on their necks. if there's to be change, if there's to be hope they have to make that real. >> we saw at daunte wright's funeral calls to change the george floyd policing act. do you think that bill goes far enough to reform policing in

america? >> it doesn't go nearly far enough but it's far better than what we pose. if we can talk about banning no knock warrants, if we can speak about, you know, even bringing the police councils of communities to bear upon these policemen and women and having some real teeth. you know, can they subpoena these police people? will we get the records of bad cops made national or at least federal so that people can understand the history of these policemen and women who besiege us? but, look, it's a culture. it's an attitude. it's a disposition, and that's far more difficult to get at. legislation can't alter and transform the belief of a human being that another human being is not human. yes, it can impose constraints. yes, it can impose penalties and hopefully harsh enough it will discourage police people from doing what they've done in the past.

but so far they have not. the end of qualified immunity would be incredible because it would mean then the police don't have the protection of the constitution that guarantees them even though they are citizens, they do not bear the responsibility for harming and hurting citizens because the state protects them because they work for them. so some of these changes will be significant and can get us along the road but by themselves they can't make the difference. >> always a plegser and thank you very much for your insights. >> thank you, sir, for having me. more than 300 people who illegally entered the capitol during january 6 might not face any charges at all, believe it or not. we have a new report from washington about that right after the break. you're watching msnbc. watchingc freshness and softness you never forget, with downy. riders, the lone wolves of the great highway.

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all right, breaking this afternoon, the justice department expects to charge at least 500 people in connection with the capitol hill insurrection an january 6th. the court filings say over 400 individuals have already been charged with 100 more projected in the coming days. but with federal officials estimating as many as 800 people likely entered the capitol on that day, that means about 300 people who participated might not ultimately face any charges. joining me now is investigative reporter for nbc 4 in washington, d.c., scott mcfarlen. scott, great to have you back with us. so talk us through some of the arrests related to the january 6th insurrection.

>> reporter: good afternoon. they really have moved the goal posts here, the feds have increasing by 100 the number of likely ares. they have a tonnage of cases but also say they have a tonnage of evidence. nearly a quarter million tips received so far, thousands of phones to go through, thousands of videos to go through. and they're saying all this because they're asking the court for more time to process the cases, to move some of the deadlines and that count count all of the new arrests over the past 48 hours. let's talk about robert chapman. the feds arrested him saying he was in the capitol january 6th, but what's more they say he bragged about it to a woman on the bumbl dating app telling her, quote, i did storm the capitol, made it all the way to statutory hall. martin in santa fe, new mexico. the feds saying not only did he

wear a bright red trump mask, he wore a coat that day. the same coat he wore days later with interview to the fbi. and that doesn't the old arrests coming back into court. michael of florida, one of the first arrested on lower charges of unlawful entry and unlawful protesting. he the feds say wasn't violent january 6th, but a judge just ordered him held in jail pending trial because of his past. the feds say he was once arrested for attempted murder, has a nazi tattoo and was once the member of a white supremacist prison gang. you have these cases piling up and next week we're going to have to watch closely. a lot of defendants go before judges to ask to be released from jail. interesting to see how many are released. >> let me ask you about two defendants charged with assaulting capitol police officer brian sicknick who later died of natural causes.

they're expected in court next tuesday. one of them filed a motion this week seeking release from jail. bring us up to speed on their cases. >> reporter: of the 400 people charged so far two and only two of accused of attacking fallen officer sicknick. that's julien khater, temporarily blinding three officers, scarring another and overwhelming officer sicknick according to the feds. they're going to be in court tuesday morning to ask from their release from jail. the chief medical examiner for d.c. ruled officer sicknick's death to be from natural causes. we'll see if it comes up during their hearing on tuesday. >> scott mcfarlen live in washington, d.c. for us. in prison russian opposition leader alexi navalny announcing today he's ending his hunger

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we are following breaking news overseas and an updated report on the health of imprisoned putin critic alexey navalny who said he's ending the hunger strike in the 24th day. he had pain to the point that he was losing feeling in various limbs. his condition sparked international outcry and led to protests in russia this week. this all comes as russian military forces began withdrawing from you krahn's border this morning after days ofesque lags. joining me now nbc news's matt bodner in moscow and contributor betsy woodruff-swan. matt, you have a update from his

doctors. what is the latest on the conditions? . did he end the hunger strike? >> reporter: i think this is the first time something resembling a positive thing to say but navalny is seen twice by a civilian team of doctors and they have transferred a number of findings to his personal physicians who have their own conclusions now and just the brief highlights they note how it's been two months since the onset of the symptoms, the pain in the back and the numbness in the back and still not satisfied. they don't believe that the necessary tests are run and want to see now an mri of his spine and of his brain. from there they say they see a number of threats to life still so the concern has been very hypo -- high potassium levels and the process of bringing

someone out of a hunger strike is a very nuanced and it can call process and just based on the notes they have received they're not sure that the doctors are up to it and calling for him now to be transferred to a more modern facility and bringing in specialists to help with that and navalny explained that he was alarmed by what his lawyers told him from the doctors that he is going to risk death if he waits any longer but he said the thing for him is the lawyers told him about the hunger strikes, the solidarity hunger strikes in russian society and he said it moved him to tears and he could not ask people to suffer on his behalf especially after the goal was accomplished and that was his message. >> stay with us. betsy, you have new reporting that the pentagon is

investigating suspected energy attacks on the troops in the middle east. what can you tell us about that and what affect could it have on already tense russia relations? >> reporter: we know that year right around the time that biden was inaugurated the pentagon briefed national security leaders that they were worried about injuries of u.s. troops they suspect that injuries may be the result of directed energy weapons and they suspect the perpetrators are likely though they don't know for sure the russians. it can refer to a broad category of weaponry and basically anything to be redundant that directs a strong of focus at an energy specific target, sometimes a broad group of people like crowd control purposes to make people's skin feel like it's burning. some directed energy weapons are

very small and portable and when they're being used it is invisible so it's extremely difficult from an intelligence perspective to track down who might have been responsible for injuring someone and in some cases it can be challenging to tell whether a person's health problems are the result of directed energy attacks. there's a marine in the middle east they thought was the victim who just had food poisoning but it is a problem of the united states facing not just among military personnel but among diplomats in china and cuba. many of them have sustained significant brain trauma and the united states has not said publicly who they believe is responsible for those attacks but we can tell you that pentagon officials telling congressional officials they suspect but don't know that the russians are a likely culprit.

>> troubling report there. matt, we were talking about news in russia suggesting thap on a war footing and yet now they decided to leigh the border with ukraine. what is the local news and media reporting? >> reporter: the benefit of having a near total monopoly on the media to drop a story and not seeing the war scare anymore and it is just straight reporting on the withdrawal and i think too soon to draw a conclusion. the way it works is the tone is set for the entire week by the sunday night big talk show and the kremlin flagship program so on monday i should be able to say more about that. >> we'll watch for that and much more. thank you both for reporting on this very important story. i'll see you next week as always. "deadline white house" starts after this quick break.

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hi there, everyone. president biden capping off a historic week for the country with momentum on the domestic and international fronts. the biden economy defying the hysterical fearmongering from the former guy and his general petraeus allies with the strongest economic rebound since the ragan years. the president gliding to the 100-day anderson with a 54% approval rating and much higher for the domestic agenda items and 72% of americans who approve of the covid vaccine rollout and 63% of americans that approve of the covid-19 plan. from "washington post," the rebounding economy is headed for the best year since 194. the u.s. economy likely expanded in the first quarter at an annual rate of 6% and should accelerate in the months ahead. more than il