good morning. it's saturday, april 24th. i'm ali velshi. we begin with breaking news. following a new safety review, the fda and the cdc lifted the recommended pause on theuse of the johnson & johnson vaccine. a week and a half ago the agencies halted the use of the johnson & johnson vaccine after six women developed a rare blood clotting, however these cases are extremely rare occurrences, an independent advisory committee says the vaccine is safe and the benefits far outweigh the risks. when the news about ending the vaccine pause broke, dr. anthony fauci was being interviewed for a special edition of "american voices" airing tomorrow on msnbc. here's how fauci reacted.

>> the risk of this is extremely low. very, very low risk of this adverse event. and the fact that the cdc and the fda originally paused this should underscore to everyone that we take safety very, very seriously. so when a vaccine is let out again to be able to be vaccinating people in this country, you can rest assured that that's a safe and efficacious vaccine. >> you can watch that full interview with anthony fauci as part of a special town hall called "american voices: latinos and the covid fight." that's tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. we'll have more on this in a bit including the heated political fight over vaccinations and how that may delay or prevent the country from reaching herd immunity. first, as you can tell by my back drop, i'm back in new york after a week spent covering history in minnesota.

i was outside the courthouse with so many others to bear witness as derek chauvin was held accountable in a court of law for murdering george floyd on a minneapolis street nearly one year ago. and i plan on being back on june 16th when chauvin will be sentenced for his crimes. the emotional toll from the trial has been heavy across the country. nowhere more so than in minneapolis. as part of my trip, i spoke with black community members about their takeaways from the trial and the verdict. >> the whole city took a collective breath just knowing that at least we have a small victory in the larger war, right? and then the next day we all got ready because we knew the journey would have to continue. all of our plans that we had before, whether guilty, not guilty, not guilty enough, it still has to continue. that work has to still continue. because we're still afraid even with this one guilty verdict, we're still afraid to take our trash out in the dark in

minneapolis. >> we'll have more of my conversations in minneapolis exploring what comes next, what this means for the future of policing, justice and accountability. the work still has to won't. the big question still remains, what happened on tuesday? was it accountability in this one case of egregious police violence caught on camera or was it the start of a bigger shift towards justice? on the plus side, it appears in the foreseeable future, congress could pass some version of the george floyd justice in policing act with republican senator tim scott now expressing optimism that a compromise is on the horizon. the police reform bill has the support of the biden white house. it passed the house in march. but it has stalled in the senate where at least ten republicans need to be on board for it to pass. on the other end of the spectrum, two days after jury of his peers pronounced derek chauvin guilty of murdering

george floyd, a funeral was held for daunte wright who was shot and killed by 26-year veteran police officer kim potter who says she mistook her handgun for her taser and has been charged with second degree manslaughter. george floyd's family was in attendance at the funeral as were family members of philando castile, eric gardner, emmett till and the boyfriend of breonna taylor. wright's mother says daunte wright was being pulled over for having air fresheners hanging from his dashboard mirror. my friend, al sharpton, made reference of that in his eulogy. >> we come today as air fresheners of minnesota we're trying to get the stench of police brutality out of the atmosphere.

we're trying to get the stench of racism out of the atmosphere. we're trying to get the stench of racial profiling out of the atmosphere. we come to minnesota as air fresheners because your air is too odorous for us to breathe. we can't breathe in your stinking air no more. >> the reverend will join me next hour. joining me now is co-league counsel for the family of george floyd. chris was the trial attorney for rayshard brooks who was gunned down by police last summer in a wendy's drive-through. and for alton sterling's family who was shot and killed by police in baton rouge, louisiana in 2016. thank you for joining me. it's good to see you again. we never meet for good reasons, though we have something to talk about this week and that is the

question of whether justice was served on tuesday and whether accountability was had and whether it makes any difference going forward i would love to see a world, chris, where you have less business. >> me, too. isn't it crazy that we're celebrating something that shouldn't be so commonplace? justice should be common, not a worldwide celebration. >> this case of derek chauvin had a strong prosecuorial team. remarkable evidence, everybody with two eyes who saw that thing thought what that verdict should be, yet we were on tenterhooks. in minneapolis, when the word came out that the verdict would be released, the city emptied out. that's what people expressed to me. why were we not even certain this would happen? you expressed confidence it would be a guilty verdict, but we weren't sure.

>> you can't be sure. in this country we developed a mindset you can't hold police accountable, if you do so, you're against police. i may be a civil rights attorney, i'm not against police. i have friends who are cop, i respect the dangerous nature of the job but you can still hold police accountable. we let ourselves become divided by saying you have to pick a side. just pick justice. hold people accountable. doesn't matter if you have a badge or a regular job, you have to be held accountable for your actions. the abuse that is happening in african-american communities. it's not rocket science. >> it's not. one of the people i talked to on thursday in minneapolis said he's just scared of police. the video and the death of george floyd made him for afraid of police. if he ever had to call for help as a black man in minneapolis, he didn't think police is who he

would call. >> i'm calling the police. if something happens. look, more victories like george floyd will start stopping this type of negative perception of law enforcement because officers like derek chauvin -- because there are way more out there will start losing their job or know if i take advantage of this situation which i have done before, abuse this person, racially profile because i feel like it, i'll be held accountable. it all starts with racial profiling for the most part. a lot of these interactions are some officer deciding to mess with somebody. then it escalates. once the george floyd justice in policing act gets passed, a lot of this hopefully will stop. >> chris, you're co-counsel for the family. that family has been busy. they have become advocates for their brothers, for george floyd, they've become advocates for the cause two days after

this verdict they were at the funeral of daunte wright. how is the family doing after all of this? >> they're trying to see what's next. it can't stop with just george floyd. they know that there are other families out there. the they know there will be future families. they'll keep pushing and fighting until police reform actually takes shape and happens. we're praying that politics don't stop the bill from getting passed. it won't help anyone. not passing the bill is not protecting police. it's not caring about them. it's not caring about the community. we both have to leave our corners and get this done. >> chris, thank you very much for your work and being with us to make sense of it. l. chris stewart, co-lead counsel for the family of george floyd. joining me now is the former chief of police in the city of detroit, ralph godby. thank you for being with us

again. i talked to you before this verdict. we talk about policing. now i want to ask you, after this -- picking up from the conversation i had with chris, what happens? what is the influence on police of the verdict on tuesday? >> i wish i could be more optimistic, but elizabeth city, north carolina. a man shot. we have not seen the video yet. ma'khia bryant in columbus, ohio. arguably -- i would opine that the gun should not have been the first option in that case. and then spotsville, pennsylvania, isaiah brown is in critical condition fighting for his life after an encounter with police. it is just too many -- this is post-george floyd. this is post-daunte wright. so we have so far to go. ali, this is why representation matters if i can refer to columbus, ohio. when i saw those two

african-american women from my lens, from my perspective, i saw an opportunity to save two lives. i've served as a police officer. i made it to the highest ranks as chief of police in detroit. what i saw was an opportunity to intervene and try to grab that young lady and even if it were to put my own life in jeopardy to save two. it doesn't have to be an either/or. there's a both/and. there was an opportunity to save two lives. arguably this officer will be acquitted. this officer will not face any charges. and by law he has done exactly what he is trained to do and what the law allows him to do. but at some point we have to look beyond what's legal and at what's moral. >> right. >> at the end of the day black and brown women and men end up dead at the hands of police when much more dangerous culprits -- i have to go back to kyle rittenhouse, back to dylann

roof. kyle rittenhouse had an ar-15 on his body ready at the aim to fire. he walked past police officers and got a bottle of water. dylann roof got burger king on his way to incarceration. you cannot continue to see these things and think we have equity in policing. i would be so pleased to see the george floyd in policing act passed. on a scale of justice, that is a small step towards what needs to be done to really ensure that black and brown americans can move about freely in the united states of america without a traffic stop, which most times are civil infractions turning into a death sentence. that's what black people fear every time they see red and blue lights in their mirror. >> that's what i endlessly hear from people. that just the fear they have when that happens. what you're talking about is more sophisticated than passing

laws and rules. you make the valid point that in many of these interactions the police are not charged. and in many cases they are following procedure. how do you implement that second part? the sense of moral wrongdoing that people are killed for small infractions, traffic stops or perceived infractions. that's not a rule book thing. >> we have to have the intestinal fortitude to getting back to being a moral country. if we rely on legality -- at a time it was legal for white americans to own black people. so legality does not move me. that's why we have to look at morality. the constitution is aamendable, it has amendments. it's not an infallible document. we cannot continue to make an idol out of the constitution to the extent we don't make the adjustments in law, we don't make the adjustments in the constitution to make sure every american lives up to and can

receive the aspirational values of what america proclaims to be. as long as we continue to just rely on legalism alone -- and we don't look at this through a moral lens, we have a moral obligation to protect and serve every american regardless of their socioeconomic status, regardless of their gender, gender preference. and that is not the case, ali. with 18,000 police departments, it is almost impossible to do that as one-offs department by department. there has to be fundamental systemic change. we have to blow this thing up and start from a different lens. >> ralph, good to see you as always. ralph godbee. when i return, i'll bring you more of my powerful discussion with black minnesotans following the conviction of derek chauvin. we'll talk to the cousin of

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it was an emotional week as the country focused on a ten-mile stretch between minneapolis and the suburb of brooklyn center, minnesota. first the conviction of derek chauvin and then the funeral of daunte wright. they prompted renewed cries for justice and accountability. it's understandable if you missed earth day on thursday, it's a day that usually figures prominently into my life, but this week it was displaced in the news cycle. the conviction of derek chauvin was a reflection of a changing

consciousness after a year of almost constant protests, protest and demonstration that included up to 26 million americans. protest works. it changes things. it gave america independence. it got women the right to vote. it achieved the civil rights act and led the country to understand that police brutality against black people has to end. protests also got us earth day and widespread recognition that human activity causes environmental degradation and human activity can change that. that once limited understanding and the desire to change the way we treated the planet was harnessed by gaylord nelson, who in 1969 worked to combine the energy of student anti-war protests with the public's growing concerns about the environment. nelson looked to "shake up thee force this issue on the national agenda." and he did. in 1970 earth day was born with an estimated 20 million

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there are new questions this week about why officials at the fbi failed to act on the threats against the capitol before january 6th. because while officials repeatedly said there was no credible intelligence leading up to the riot, a new review done

by nbc news revealed hundreds of social media posts discussing plans to move on the capitol. one post saying what if we create a crush situation, start pushing from the back, surely they will have to get out of the way or get crushed. they won't start shooting people. according to new findings of an internal investigation, one capitol police officer is under investigation for allegedly telling all units "we're not looking for any pro-trump in the crowd. we're only looking for any anti-pro-trump who want to start a fight." capitol police said the call was misquoted and lacks context. while that officer is under investigation for that response, the department of justice announced it expects to charge at least 500 people involved in the riot. one of those charged, a leader of the oath keepers group pled guilty last week and has now flipped. his insights could be concern for republicans including ted

cruz who spoke at a rally with oath keepers along with marjorie taylor greene who have ties to the three percenters. joining me now is joyce vance from the alabama school of law. joyce is an msnbc contributor, the co-host of sisters of law and cafe insiders podcast. joyce, good morning to you. i would love your analysis on how these politicians, for instance, who have supporters, who are part of these groups or encourage conspiracy theories, how does that legally connect to what some of these groups might have participated in? >> that's the ultimate question for investigators and prosecutors as they look at the january 6th events. obviously we have a strong free speech tradition in this country. and you can cross that line if you engage in speech that is intended to incite violence.

the important takeaway from what we're seeing here is we're beginning to have cooperators who are working with law enforcement from some of these groups, from proud boys, from oath keepers, who will give investigators insight into what that connection looked like. the way i've been thinking about this is like a puzzle with a couple thousand pieces. i'm not sure investigators even have the frame finished yet. they're still trying to figure out the contours of the day's events. there's a lot of work to do here. >> the "washington post" is writing about ted cruz and says cruz wanted to embrace the group even as its nativist, rhetoric and divisive tactics have drawn many away. the use of the expression turned a blind eye, does ted cruz have

greater responsibility in terms of the average citizen in taking in this information that these conspiracy theory groups or militia groups or sometimes anti-government groups talk about? >> the devil is always in the details here. if -- let's just speculate for a minute. this is obviously not the sort of facts that we know. if cruz had been involved in a meeting where there were conversations about physically storming the capitol to interrupt congress, well, that would be a set of facts that investigators might look at in a criminal context. from what we know now, participation in groups with ideologies that you and i think are reprehensible, you know, this is something we tolerate in our civil society and the remedy for that sort of behavior is at the ballot box for texas voters. >> that's a good point. joyce, thanks as always for joining us. joyce vance. right before the chauvin

trial began, i spoke to six black minneapolis residents about it. this week after the verdict came down, i gathered the same group. coming up, our conversation of hope, lingering anger, next steps and how non-black people can show their support going forward. >> really support for me looks like people understanding that this is not an issue that black people are going to fix. this is not an issue that black people are going to counsel them or coach them through. this is really an issue that they have to take the onus on themselves and begin to dismantle themselves. seeing these things happen over and over and over, you can't -- you cannot expect somebody who is being oppressed to fix an oppressive system. >> what support doesn't look like in my opinion is, you know, the private text messages or the private, oh, you know, i'm lamenting for you, those kinds of things. i think support has to go beyond private. it needs to go public, i think,

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radio or smartphone in anticipation of witnessing history, to see whether a minneapolis jury would convict or acquit derek chauvin for one of the most egregious acts of police brutality ever caught on camera. in late march arrived in minneapolis to discuss the trial before it got under way with a group of six black minneapolis locals. once the verdict came down, i knew i had to talk to them again. all six of them described to me how overcome with emotion they were upon finding out that derek chauvin would be heading to prison. take a look. >> for me personally, i cried. my wife and i, we watched it together. she text me and asked me deliberately to come down and watch it with her. we cried. tears of joy. tears of relief. it felt for me like everything from the past year, all the pent-up anxiety and frustration and hurt and disappointment, all of it kind of came rushing out for me in that moment.

>> the whole city took a collective breath just knowing at least we have a small victory in the larger war, right? then the next day we all got ready because we knew the journey would have to continue. so all of our plans that we had before, whether guilty, not guilty or not guilty enough, it still has to continue. that work still has to continue. because we're still afraid even with this one guilty verdict, we're still afraid to take out our trash after dark in minneapolis. >> it was important for me to be with my people. so we all arranged a call to get the verdict together. and i cried. i cried the ugly cry. many of us on that call, we sighed a sigh of relief and people were expressing tears of joy. for me, there was actually a deep sense of grief. i felt like i was crying for the emmett tills, and the philando

casteels and the legacy of black and brown people. >> i knew for me the most important thing was to hear that first count. count one was second degree murder it was not going to be a "win" for me for just a man slaughter conviction. to hear the judge read that count on the murder of second degree, the jury finds the defendant guilty. i just collapsed. i felt tears on my face. i think i heard the rest of what the judge said. at the same time, you know, in addition to the grief i felt, there wasn't much celebration for me. i mean, it shouldn't take all that. to have a murder happen slowly and brutally over ten minutes in front of a dozen people with multiple video angles in broad daylight and with a jury of 50% people of color, that's not what it should take in order to get a conviction in a case like this. >> i was actually in the car when i heard the verdict.

i was on the way to get my daughter from after school. it was interesting because they asked us all to pick up the kids early. as soon as i realized the verdict would be announced on tuesday, i was like let me go get her as soon as i possibly can because i don't know what's going to happen. we were driving and she asked me well, what are we listening to? i said we're listening to the verdict. she said, well, he's guilty. yeah, we know he's guilty, but that's not how the process works. we still have to wait until the jury decides whether he's guilty or not. i had a really emotional day on tuesday. just when i woke up, i felt heavy. i cried a lot on tuesday for some reason. and when the verdict was announced, i felt -- i was happy, i was sad. i was everything at once. >> i was honestly surprised hearing the third, hearing all three convictions. you know, i'm not -- i'm not

pessimistic, but i wasn't optimistic either. you know, i've seen the history and how rare it is. i was surprised and also relieved that it happened. but i also felt a sense of that it's going to be a long road ahead. you know, it's just getting started. >> i want to really point out here this was a special prosecution. this was not the hennepin county attorney prosecuting this case. that's an important place to understand. this was a special prosecution. this was the dream team. and i thought they did an amazing job. i was so impressed. and that -- that's why there was so much fiche. with a case presented so well, so strongly, that if you could come back with anything other than a conviction, it would have been like the nail in the coffin. >> your certainty increased as

the trial went along? >> no. my fear increased. >> i got it. i see. >> because they were doing such a good job. >> that's interesting. your fear increased that this prosecution is so good and clear that if there is not a conviction, then all of your fears are realized. >> exactly. >> i agree. this is a team of michael jordans prosecuting this case. that's why i'm like it shouldn't take all of this to get a conviction. god bless that team that made it happen. i didn't think the defense did that great of a job. when you look at their strategy, it was a bit slimy in my opinion. they tried to throw all the blame on george floyd. make it all about that he deserved it. that was their theme and theory. >> to add to that, though, what you hit on was the dehumanization of us as black people. where you can almost legitimize the lynching of black people by any means necessary, no matter the circumstance. they will find a way to say it

is deserved. it's true, a whole bunch of people are celebrating, by the same token a bunch of people are really disappointed and from a human standpoint, it makes us ask well, what would it take for you to see our humanity if not this? >> i think this case has done a great job of pushing certain things forward and calling some people to realize or begin to confront some of this racism. it has begun to build bridges for unity. i wouldn't say we're there just yet. i think the challenge is, as long as you have people who will try to justify this kind of injustice that was done to george floyd, there's a threat to justice everywhere. while there was so much certainty as the prosecution laid out a really strong argument, for me the anxiety increased because i'm, like, there's so much certainty that if this person is found innocent, it truly means that our system, our justice system

is not for us. >> i think a perfect example we can look at is what happened to daunte wright in brooklyn center a couple weeks ago and an incident that happened in hutchinson, minnesota a couple days after that. a white man assaulted a store employee because he was asked to put on a mask. the police went after him. he tried to flee the police. there was a policeman who had his arm stuck in the car. so the suspect was fleeing and he takes a hammer and he hits the police officer over the head. the cop has to get eight staples in his set. was this man who was white shot? no. was he tased? no. that situation was worse than daunte wright. how did he end up dead? the white man who tried to flee the situation is in jail and fine? you can't tell me that has to do with training. >> i'm so grateful to that group for such a raw and impactful conversation. we'll have more of that conversation including what the future looks like post-chauvin

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something i've been thinking about a lot is the emmett till murder. you know, there wasn't a camera back then. what his mom did, leaving his casket open so people could witness and see how the jury, i think, took, like, ten minutes or so. they let those two men, you know, walk free. we didn't really see justice for emmett till. >> that was a college student with who i spoke with this week in minneapolis. emmett till was a 14-year-old black teenager who was brutally beaten, tortured and shot in the head back in 1955. he was accused of flirting with

a white woman in her family's mississippi grocery store while on summer vacation. till's alleged's killers thought he violated the limitations of conduct for a black male to speak to a white woman in the jim crow era south. they sunk his body in the river where it would stay for three days until he was found. those men were later found not guilty by an all-white jury. till's mother famously chose to keep his casket open during a public funeral service in chicago so the world could witness her son's mutilated body and the horrors of racism in the united states. there were no cameras to capture what happened to emmett till like there were for george floyd and others, but the photos were a forced reckoning with racist terroristic violence in america and the injustice that allowed it to go unpunished. joining me now is emmett till's

cousin, deborah wattz. you were with the floyd family on monday and on tuesday after the -- after the verdict was read. you said on monday before the verdict, you said it's unfortunate there's so much that has notchanged, but we hold out hope that there will be. do you think anything changed with that verdict on tuesday? >> i know what changed was something that we've not seen in this country often, and that is guilty verdict and accountability. that is a, i think, a vote and a pathway for hope for the future because there are so many other lives, stolen lives that have been taken by police violence, and there's more juries and more trials in the future. so i think it opened the door for hope. i think it opened the door for change that i hope that we will

realize. >> the floyd family talked about the fact that emmet till is sort of the first example that the public saw where they watched -- they didn't watch him die obviously, but they saw the damage. they saw what it looked like. emmett's mother made that decision. do you have some sense of what justice looks like for all of those who have come before george floyd? does this change, for instance, the work that you and the emmett till legacy foundation do? >> it changes nothing. we still need to move forward. there's still on the department of justice unsolved civil rights crimes act that's in the name of emmett till, there are 152 names there. these are families that are still holding out for full accountability, for justice, for truth. they are looking for a way

forward. there has been so much in terms of trauma that's been experienced, unanswered questions. we need to continue to fight. we still continue and need to move things forward in our country. it also is a strong parallel, you know, from the past to the present and the future, and we need to make sure that we don't repeat the past and that our future is virtually at stake right now. if we don't turn things around in our country, i just don't know where we're going to go with it. so from lynchings of the past, of course, there were about 4,700 or so lynchings in this country that have been recorded to now george floyd, to daunte wright, and so much others, women and men, black and brown bodies, that are still holding out hope in truth and justice and accountability. that's what we're hoping for, and we continue to fight and

continue to march. you know, i have to applaud those that have been on the front line. they know that they need to keep boots on the ground. you know, people, particularly in minnesota, that have held out hope but they've also fought, they've shouted, they marched, they've shown up for us. we're standing on their shoulders, and we're so appreciative of the sacrifices that all of them have made, and the other countless mothers in minnesota, too. there are about 170 or so names of individuals who have been murdered in minnesota at the hands of police. so i stand on the shoulders of those as well and lift their names and their hopes up for their loved ones whose lives have been stolen. so the work continues. we can't stop, we can't stop now. we have to keep boots on the ground, and wherever we are in our station of life, we just need to do that, our part,

whatever that is. speak up and, you know, stand there for others who we really need their voices, we really need their support as we move justice forward. >> and you have been offering your support to the floyd family. in the next hour i will be speaking with take mira rice's mother who is looking for the department of justice to reopen the investigation into tamira rice. what would you say to her? >> i would say continue to fight. make sure you use all of the resources you have to make sure they listen. the voices closest to the pain need to be heard. i think it is a path forward for all of the mothers, tamira

rice's mother. she is built to fight. you know, we are still fighting for justice for emmett till after 66 years. >> yes. >> so we stand in solidarity with her and we hold those that are responsible, particularly in the state of mississippi, responsible for the accountability in the murder, kidnapping and murder of emmett louis till. we want a name, carolyn bright donna, who should be charged as being an accomplice in emmett till's murder. i would say we hold her in our hearts. we pray for her. we pray for justice for her precious son, tamir rice, and we are there for her as well. i hope to reach out to her very, very soon, just like we have done with the others. we are in this club, as someone said, that no one wants to belong to. i'm not a mother. i am a mother of three, a grandmother of five, but i certainly do understand. but we can provide that kind of

support i hope that they need to move forward. we've got their backs, we've got her back. >> yeah. >> so we want to make sure that she has the stamina. at emmett till's mother said, she said, we don't have time for self-pity. we have to get on with the building process and we have to make sure that our children are anchored so deeply that when life hits them 7.1 on life's richter scale, that though they sway they will not topple. so that's what i want. >> though they sway they will not topple. >> they will not topple. >> deborah, it is a full-time job offering support to the families of people killed unjustly. deborah watts, thank you for joining us. remember, no one has ever been held to account for emmett till's kidnapping and death. don't go anywhere. after a quick break i will talk to the mother of tamir rice, the 12-year-old black child killed

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♪ ♪ good morning. it is saturday, april 24th. i'm ali velshi. coming up this hour, arizona republicans can't get over the fact their team lost on election day. now they've enlisted the self-proclaimed cyber ninja to help push the big lie. it doesn't get weirder than this. you don't want to miss the story. plus, crucial developments on the fight to get americans vaccinated and why some republicans threaten to set us back. also, the long republican senator that voted against a bill fighting anti-asian hate crimes. but we begin this hour with what comes next. what comes after the sight so many were waiting to see, derek chauvin convicted on all three

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