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at least six people have been shot and killed by officers across the united states in just the last 24 hours after derek chauvin was convicted of murdering george floyd. optimism on capitol hill is growing after a compromise. congresswoman karen bass is to meet next week. congresswoman joyce beatty joined me in the last hour on the need for change. >> enough is enough. people are devastated. we have to have a better way of de-escalating. we need to take a longer look, a better look, at our system, training. how are we training police officers? i find it unacceptable that one way of training, one system, one size cannot fit all. >> new reaction after the senate paced the covid-19 hate crimes act which helped protect

asian-americans amid rising discrimination. hirono gave her thoughts on republican senator josh hawley being the only senator to vote against it. >> there's not much that i can tell him to get a conscience. he obviously did this with total intention, and so the less we talk about him who is an outlier on this vote even with the republican party, so the less we talk about him the more we focus on the need to stand up with the aapi community. >> okay. point well taken, senator. i agree. >> let's go to breaking news out of the white house in an official statement president biden has officially recognized the armenian genocide. let's go to monica alba joining us from washington. what is the significance of this moment? >> it is very significant to the armenian community which for decades has been asking u.s. presidents to formally recognize

the killing of more than 1 million armenians more than a century ago as a genocide. now we're seeing president biden do exactly that. that was the campaign promise from candidate biden and many u.s. leaders in the past have been wary to do this. we've acknowledged the violence and the killing and they haven't labelled it a genocide out of fear of potentially angering turkey which is, of course, a key regional ally and partner within nato. i want to read you a little bit of the president's statement just out on this armenian remembrance day where he says each year we remember the lives of the those who died in the on the man-era armenian genocide and recommit ourselves to preventing such an atrocity from ever again occurring. as we know, president biden spoke for the first time by phone with president erdogan of turkey yesterday. both sides released their versions and readouts of the call and they did not mention this. in fact, the u.s. version just had a reference to a pledge to

effectively manage, essentially disagreements and this could be read as something that was an illusion to that and no explicit mention and the other key piece to all of this is turkey is responding, rejecting the recognition. there was a tweet from the turkish foreign minister where he says words cannot change and re-write history and it's an important context that turkey has long denied the violence amounted to a genocide, but looking ahead, alex, the president will be meeting face to face, we expect, with president erdogan when he does travel overseas in june. he will be at the nato summit. ahead of that he will also be at the g-7 in the uk. this will mark his first trip outside of the united states as president where we expect all of these important diplomatic issues to come up among many others, alex. >> a month and a half to see what percolates that way. thank you very much, monica alba. back now to the breaking news from elizabeth city, north carolina. city managers today taking steps

to secure the release of body cam video, this from the shooting of andrew brown jr. that happened last wednesday. law enforcement officials say he was killed while serving a warrant and the county sheriff has refused to release video, and the audio recordings suggested that brown was shot in the back. >> we have shots fired. we have shots fired. 421 perry street. >> we've got one male 40 years of age, gunshot to the back. we're doing revival. pulse is gone. >> nbc's kathy park is joining me more on this. it is pretty stunning that audio that we are able to hear at this point. what are you hearing about video or anything else at this hour? >> well, alex, good afternoon to you. well, the sheriff's department and the bureau of investigation have released very little about the shooting and that is why so many people on the ground in elizabeth city, north carolina,

are growing more and more frustrated, but we did hear from the sheriff yesterday. he said that the family's wishes on releasing that body camera footage will be granted in the next few days. he also added that the district attorney's office will not be releasing that footage as the investigation moves forward. earlier today we heard from the city manager as well as the mayor of elizabeth city and they are joining the growing calls for the release of that footage. take a listen. >> my ask is that if someone decides to be adverse to a peaceful protest and then our officers have to engage that, then it takes away from it and it becomes a distraction from the matter at hand, and the matter at hand is the transparency and accountability of what took place on wednesday morning. at the root of all of this is someone lost their life.

a citizen of mine lost his life. his kids lost their father, their family members lost their brother. >> and alex, there have been a lot of new developments ever since the shooting on wednesday. seven deputies are now on administrative leave. three have left the department, but we are told that they left and this wasn't related to the shooting and ever since this incident broke out in that community protests have continued, but fortunately, they have been peaceful, as you heard there from city officials and they are -- they support the community coming out and protesting, but obviously they want this to be done peacefully, alex? >> let me just make sure i heard you correctly. the resignations and suspensions or at least the resignations, those are not related to this shooting. that's what they're saying?

that's what you heard? >> exactly. those seven deputies are on administrative leave and keep in mind, none of these individuals have been identified, but the sheriff clarified overnight saying that the three people who left the department -- this was not related to the shooting, but you have to question the timing of this is a little bit suspect, but like i said, they haven't released a lot of information regarding this shooting and that's why so many people are probing not just the sheriff's department, but elected officials to get more answers. >> well, in fact, during your report we just heard from the city manager of elizabeth city, north carolina, and i'll be speaking with him at the top of our next hour. thank you very much for that. >> let's go to minneapolis where derek chauvin could face more consequences. there could be additional charges for the former officer this time for a 2017 incident. let's go right to msnbc's

shaquille brewster. shaq, let's talk about 2017. what happened relative to derek chauvin there? >> reporter: yeah, alex. first, let me set this up. we've known there was a federal investigation on the use of force with derek chauvin against george floyd and that was happening with the conclusion of the criminal trial just this week and we know that as early as february, the federal grand jury was convened and they were hearing testimony from witnesses as part of that federal grand jury. we don't know the timing of any possible charges, but that process has been under way for some time and according to the witness testimony and from the sense of what's happening behind closed door, it seems like the federal government is looking into a 2017 incident in which derek chauvin was accused of holding down a minor to his knee and you had a similar circumstance with george floyd. the federal investigation is looking into that.

that incident was not allowed to be part of the evidence record in the actual criminal trial. the murder trial, and it seems as though the federal government is looking into that. we don't know the timing of this investigation and we don't know what the ultimate conclusion will be, but we do know that is happening. meanwhile, you hear people in the community still trying to keep up the pressure and we saw the celebrations earlier this week with the conviction of derek shoafin and you have members of the community saying that is not all they wnat and there is a greater sense of accountability and there will be protests later today and there is a protest last night and i want you to hear what one of the protesters told our affiliate and this is george floyd square the exact intersection where joirj floyd was killed. >> i think the verdict personally was not justice. i think it was an act of accountability and as a black person it's not a time for us to celebrate just yet because me as

a black man i still don't feel protected and served in the community i reside in, and i have to worry about the daunte wrights of the world and ma ma dia bra ants. >> you heard him mention daunte wright. he was laid to rest. and they had a pattern investigation into the minneapolis police department and you've heard over and over again that folks are not just relying on the guilty verdict for derek chauvin, but they want to see some systemic change and that was a message that you heard from political leaders from the governor all of the way down to the city's mayor. >> absolutely. the work continues and i thank you, shaq, my friend because we go to columbus, ohio. that is where tensions are rising and protesters are gathering there and they are demanding justice in the shooting of ohio teenager,

ma'khia bryant. what are you seeing there now? what are the expectation on this day? >> yeah, alex. there was supposed to be a demonstration of support for ma'khia bryant and demonstrations starting any moment now. you might be able to hear someone shouting over the megaphone. we think this demonstration has started to in together even though it hasn't reached the capitol and i can hear shouting off in the distance shouting "black lives matter" and "no justice, no peace" and getting cars to honk and give them support as they make their way over to the state house. this shooting happened on tuesday. we've all seen the video. columbus, ohio, police releasing several body cam videos in an effort to get out in front and let the public see what happened in this instance because as they described the video, they say that this 16-year-old girl,

ma'khia bryant, police officer, nicholas riordan was in an ongoing fight and he saw ma'khia bryant attempt to stab one girl and went after another and that's when riordan pull out his service weapon and shot her four times killing her right there. there have been four nights of protests including one last night in downtown columbus. this goes beyond the bryant case and instances of police brutality in columbus over the past 20 years or so. one protester told us that police seem to resort to shooting so quickly that maybe they need to learn more about de-escalation or put that into practice in columbus. >> we want to see de-escalation with our people. murdering us instantly is not the answer. police officers go through training. they know how to drapel.

they know how to tackle and disarm people. they go through all of that, but they are not using it. >> as you might imagine, city and police leaders are trying to calm any tensions and that's why they released the video so quickly and the director of public service who is black put out a statement on youtube and made a five-minute statement where he essentially expressed sorrow for the bryant family. he told people that the black community here is exhausted from issues of police brutality, but he also wanted people to view those police videos and ask some questions. >> okay. chris pollone, thank you very much for all of that. >> we will switch gear, everybody, as we take a look at the coronavirus pandemic. in india, hospitals are running out of room and oxygen for patients after adding more than -- are you ready for this? 346,000 new cases today and that is the biggest single-day

increase of any country. in the next hour, a report from india from our partner sky news that vividly shows the unfolding tragedy. back here in the u.s. a new study out of m.i.t. that say people who maintain 60 feet of distance from those indoors are no safer than those six feet apart. this is the case even when someone is wearing a mask because air tends to rise and false elsewhere in a room no matter the distance. new research suggests a single doze of the pfizer vaccine suggests 65% and that number jumps to 74% for symptomatic cases and that is for natural immunity and the johnson & johnson vaccinations resume today after an 11-day pause and the benefits of the single-dose vaccine outweigh the risk. let's go to my colleague cori coffin in new york city. i asked you last hour and you answered telling me the j&j,

vaccine is not offered there just because it wasn't supposed to be. i think you said there was a lot of moderna there, as well, but the vaccinations are resuming today across the city. how are they going to look? >> yeah. this is going to be one of the major metropolitan seas announcing that they'll be resuming. behind me they're starting up walk-in appointments available in new york city and that's worth mentioning, too. and here's how the johnson & johnson one will work in new york city. they will do mobile vaccinations and pop-up vaccinations at various sites around the city specifically for johnson & johnson. as soon as they exhaust those sites that do the johnson & johnson shots and the pfizer stores that they have had during the pause, they will begin that process again with this shot. so we'll see if that's going to take a couple of days, a week, exactly what that time line looks like, but that advisory panel that makes that vote and

that was a 10 to 4 vote about the rare risk of blood clots affecting women mainly 18 to 49 years old. i spoke with the lead or this site here about the hesitancy in general because we want to show you if this has affected people in general with their idea of whether or not they want to get a shot. vaccine hesitancy before the j&j, pause or after, and according to the latest axios and ipsos poll, it's relatively the same. 20% of people say they will not get the vaccine and have no intention of doing that. i asked if it was the same they were doing in this community. listen to what he told me. >> many of them are actually very excited to get the shot, and you know, if there are questions and hesitancies we have staff on site to help answer those questions for them, and that's been very helpful in, you know, in answering and

relieving any concerns that people might have, and i think that's why we've been able to see so many people here. >> alex, so far about 30% of new yorkers have been vaccinated and the city says that adding the johnson & johnson shot back in will be a very important step in continuing to work toward that herd immunity through vaccination that they're trying to get to. >> i will note, johnson and johnson says they have about 9 million vaccine doses ready to go right now. we'll have to see how many come to new york city. >> thank you for that. we'll wait and see, as well. tomorrow, you can join alicia menendez for a special town hall with anthony fauci and watch american voices, latinos and the covid fight. it will air tomorrow night on msnbc. it is already one of the largest federal investigations in u.s. history. why a single guilty plea could

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distribution to the vulnerable, to the people that are really are -- to the very young, i see no reason to be pushing vaccines on people. what is the point? if the science tells us that vks are 95% effective so if you have a vaccine quite honestly what do you care if your neighbor has one or not? >> his comments come as we are hearing from more and more vks and the government shouldn't be pushing vks on people and ron johnson noted during his interview he doesn't trust his vaccines and all of the vaccines that are currently available and went through that emergency use authorization that was reviewed by the fda. his comments not only come against public health officials and in addition, also his own party and we heard from mitch mcconnell repeatedly and senate minority leader pushg the efficacy of these vshgs especially encouraging republican men to get vaccinated when there was a poll indicated that they were less likely to do so. ron johnson's comments are

getting pushed back within the public health community. here's what dr. anthony fauci had to say when asked on our air yesterday. >> we have 567,000 people who have died so far in this country from this disease. that is a really, really good reason to get people vaccinated with the vaccine that you've shown is highly efficacious and quite safe, and that's the reason for the emergency use authorization. we are dealing with an emergency. how can anyone say that 567,000 dead americans is not an emergency? >> and alex, it's worth noting that public health officials and the white house are seeking to elevate trust in vaccines especially in light of that temporary pause over the j&j, vaccine with those rare instances of blood clots. they're not going to help in the fight when you have a leader in a prominent position going out and encouraging people that they

don't need to get this vaccine. >> the final word goes to dr. anthony fauci. the end. thank you very much, amanda golden. some new developments in the investigation into the january 6th insurrection. the justice department is now saying it expects to charge at least 500 people taking part in those riots on capitol hill. so far over 400 have been charged in what the doj is calling one of the largest investigations in u.s. history. joining me now frank figluzi former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and also author of the book "the fbi way." frank, welcome. always good to talk to you. doj lawyers is calling this one of the largest and not just because of the number of people charged, but the sheer volume of evidence. it includes, last count, something like 20,000 hours of video from surveillance and police body cameras. i mean, can you put this in perspective and your reaction to all of it? >> yeah, alex, certainly, in my

25-year career including, by the way, 9/11 and the aftermath and inquiry of that, this makes that pale in comparison in terms of the span and scope of this investigation and the volume of evidence related to it, and i am hearing from people i talked to involved in the investigation that yes, indeed, they will hit the 500 number in arrests and maybe surpass that, but that far more importantly, alex, the magnitude of the charges will move from things like trespass and assault all of the way up to conspiracy and we're seeing more of that and even possibly sedition and even possibly an enterprise theory of approach which is under consideration to take down and dismantle groups like proud boys and oath keepers. >> remarkable. this week, as you know, congresswoman lofgren says the office of professional responsible sit reviewing information that a radio transmission to all outside

units attention that they should not be looking for any pro-trump in the crowd. she added they were only looking for any anti-trump protesters, and capitol police official is denying her account, but what do you make of that? >> well, first, what i make of this is this is precisely one of the reasons why we need an independent commission to get to the truth of how we led up to and what happened the day of january 6th. so y the capitol police are pushing back on congresswoman lofgren, but this is the reason why we need an independent fact finder because even if words similar to that were uttered in radio transmissions that day, something to the effect of look for, you know, anti-trump protesters, this gets to the larger question of our continued inability to see ourselves, people who look like us and act like us as a threat, and the impact that protesters -- the

impact that the fact that the protesters were largely trump supporters had on police decisions making and on interpretation of intelligence, all of that needs to be looked at if we're ever going to change the model of intelligence and execution on intelligence. >> you know, i want to get to what you wrote this week and it was for msnbc.com and it was titled why trump loyalists should fear the first capitol riot confession and you're right that there's more to this plea than simply a defendant admitting guilt. explain that. how so? >>. >> so we've had our first public knowledge of a cooperation agreement attached to a guilty plea, this time for a founding lifetime member. he said it himself. he's conceded, i am a lifetime member and now we know that he's cooperating as part of the play agreement. why should we care about this?

from among active and retired military and active and retired police officers and he can also tell us about coordination that appears to have existed between oath keepers and proud boys. that would be fascinating to learn and lastly, he may have knowledge of the role played if any, by those in political circles, sitting members of congress, and even political advisers to the president. this guy knows a lot and that's why prosecutors were willing to cut him a deal. they care more about what they can provide than about nailing him with an optimal sentence and stay tuned to come whats out of that. >> bigger picture there. okay, frank, author of the "fbi way," thank you. the ripple effects of the guilty verdict. high next guest has thoughts to share on how president biden handled it to a heated exchange on capitol hill you may have missed. roland martin, after the break. d roland martin, after the break

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breaking news out of elizabeth, north carolina. the scene of deadly police shooting of andrew brown jr. the city mayor is urging the police department to make the body camera footage of wednesday's shooting available to the public. >> letter that will be delivered on monday making a request for the body cam footage to be turned over to us and the public. we felt it necessary to make the request for it to be released not only for the citizens of this city, but so that the family could get some closure in this process. >>. >> and this call for transparency comes after newly released audio recording suggests brown was shot in the back during what was supposed to be an execution of a warrant. >> we have shots fired. we have shots fired. that's 421 perry street. >> we've got one male, 40 years of age. gunshot to the back.

we're doing revival. pulse is gone. >> joining me right now civil rights attorney charles coleman and roland martin host of the digital show roland martin unfiltered. thank you for joining me. roland, you first. in the last three days, three deputies have resigned and seven others are now on leave pending the investigation. we've gotten word according to city officials that those three resignations have nothing to do with this particular case. do you know anything about that? anything different and the very minimum, if they have been let go from the force, if they have resigned, the timing at the very least is very suspicious. >> i don't have any further details on that, but don't think for a second i'm buying that. they're not actually connected. the reality is, alex, what we are now seeing is we are seeing real account believaity take place a lot faster than we normally have. the officer who killed daunte

wright, two days later. we see her in an orange jump suit. she was charged in his death and we're seeing the demands for accountability. we're seeing case after case after case because we have -- you've got to credit black lives matter protesters and police who have been fighting police brutality for decades for raising the consciousness of america who say you have to stop doing things with impunity. george floyd's death has been transformational in pushing this and so this is what we have needed, real accountability, swift accountability for officer's misconduct. a lot of the reason that's been transformational has got to be because there is video available, and we have watched it over and over again. so, charles, to you. three days now. the body camera footage has not been released so what does that tell you as an attorney? >> one of the things as a prosecutor i would be looking at is why it has taken this long

because at the end of the day, what we know about these situations is that the greater transparency that you have involving how you approach them, the more likely it is that you can quell public sentiment of distrust and unease. so from a lawyer's perspective whether i'm the lawyer for the family or whether i'm the lawyer for the city in terms of considering whether to prosecute i will be digging very, very deep to understand what was the delay and why was it caused in terms of why we don't have this footage already? >> alex, show the contrast. shooting columbus, ohio. takes place on tuesday. look, next day the body cam footage was out. there were a lot of people saying oh, was there no knife. a knife was on the ground and we saw the body camera footage of the u.s. army lieutenant. that body camera footage with his incident didn't come out a year later and you saw the immediate reaction. what city officials to charles' point is we have to look at,

what does the police contract say? what do all of those things say determining when stuff is released. part of the problem are the rules of engagement that ought to be negotiated that keep cities from releasing information is part of what we are also fighting. >> charles, does that mean if you're an attorney, as you are, and you're saying you've got to release this and we need this, what is a legitimate excuse for not releasing? is it because of union regulations and certain protections afforded police officers, and would you come at them and say we need the video and say we can't give it to you. >> you raise an important question and it is key. the strength and power of police unions and the regulations that is a valid one and that doesn't make it necessarily a good been. public officials want the family to have previewed it and they want the family's permission

before they release that video. that is legitimate in some cases and that doesn't necessarily mean that it's good and it doesn't do anything around what the public's level of trust is in the system when you don't have that type of transparency. >> so while there may be legitimate reasons, that don't make them look good on the surface. >> rowland, according to the foreign press, six shot after 24 hours, and that inclues andrew brown happens bi? >> is it because -- >> i'm sorry. roland first ask then you can comment, charles. >> i'm sorry. >> that's all right. >> the rules of engagement are clear and police are allowed to use deadly force and depending who they're encountering.

we've seen white men pulling out knives and they're driving away and they somehow are still living and when it's african-american it's different. we talk about training. in several of the shootings the officer who was involve would was the one responsible for training. what we have is a crisis in this country among law enforcement and how they look at african-americans and how they perceive them as a threat differently than they do white americans and so unless you have accountability, unless they start going to jail, rajjia, michael slager and now derek chauvin, you will not have that until you start losing their pensions and qualified immunity. you will not see a change in police conduct. too much protection. >> i'm reminded by something from the last hour and a half, a prosecutor came on, david henderson and said here's the deal, police officers are really good at shooting people.

okay. they're trained well. that's fine, but in their training is there nothing, charles, that says to them in a situation like this where you need to make a split-second decision, you need to be trained to such a fine level that you know to maybe aim, if you must shoot to somebody's arm, a shoulder, a leg and not kill -- not aim to the chest or the back, for heaven's sake? >> to answer your question the reality is that you can't outtrain human instinct when it comes to their unconscious bias. if someone has 20 to 30 years of unconscious bias against a certain group of people before they even become a police officer you cannot train that to override human instinct in a split second. i want to back up. the conversation about american policing and why its become so toxic is not one of training. it is one of culture. american police culture is toxic and has been and the only way that you can prevent him against that is to address the

accountability measures that are around and protect american police officers. and qualified immunity is a significant piece to that but at the end of the day, people do not engage in behavior when they know that there are consequences to be played and american policing has not had consequences for a long time. while we cannot and may not be able to address training to an extent that will ultimately protect all american lives equaylely. woe can't reimagine institution, with accountability that would protect those people that would otherwise be vulnerable. >> real quick, real quick. >> i've had three black law enforcement folks, and i asked him the very question how -- the issue is not shoot them in the leg and the arm an that's televisions, that's movies is how an officer approaches the

scene and do they have de-escalation in their mind or are they escalating? when you have someone running away? why are you firing at someone running away when you have their driver's license, you their car and their address sitting right there. we'll show up at your house and arrest you. why fire the gun into the back? that's the issue right there, but the black cop said no, we're trained to take somebody down who is perceived as a threat. >> that is really interesting. i'm glad you brought that up from your show. i want to ask you one quick other question, roland, about what you tweeted this week support for congresswoman val demings after she got into the heated exchange with jim jordan after he tried to interrupt her during a hearing. let's play it for the viewers. >> it's interesting to see my colleagues on the other side of the aisle support the police when it is politically convenient to do so. law enforcement officers risk their lives every day.

they deserve better, and the american people deserve -- i have the floor, mr. jordan! did i strike a nerve? law enforcement officers deserve better than to be utilized as pawns and you and your colleagues should be ashamed! >> i mean, look. that was a pretty emotional reaction. what do you think that was behind that? >> i loved it. i played the whole 4 minute and 5 second interaction in my show. jordan, you can't dare challenge a woman who has been a police officer for 27 years and whose husband is a police officer. republicans love to say they're all about law and order and when you go up against a democrat who is law enforcement and you want to educate her. first of all, you don't talk down to a woman who has more experience with being a cop than you are, but that's how the republicans have operated and this is why it's important to

have folks like congresswoman val demings speaking out on this issue because republicans have set this whole thing up where you all hate law enforcement, we hate them when it's not a question about who loves law enforcement, and it's do you love the people who you represent and hold them accountable and they did not say this about law enforcement at the january 6th. amazing how quiet they were about blue lives matter on january 6th. >> roland martin and charles coleman, guys, good to have you both on. >> appreciate it. >> who is the life of the republican party? there is a push under way in florida to make sure a certain person is not. a certain person is not. you're clearly someone who takes care of yourself. so why wait to screen for colon cancer? because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable.

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only governor with support at 47%. the primary election is june 8th and nbc's deepa shivram joins us. in the commercial break i was looking at the rest of the numbers and everybody else combined including those who don't know who they're going to vote for, they just match him. so he's doing pretty well right now. >> yeah, alex, that's right. interesting because there are five candidates, but terry mcauliffe is leak you said, in this poll surging ahead here at 47%. no other candidate in that poll even breaks double digits. it is interesting. you and i have talked about this in the past, alex. this whole governor's race in virginia for democrats and republicans is a litmus test for both parties and what direction they want to move in especially in a post-trump era for republicans. you have state senator amanda chase who herself has

characterized as donald trump in high heels. she's someone who supported the insurrectionists in january 6th and she's definitely opinion taking herself in that direction and it's a question whether republicans in virginia will follow suit with that kind of brand of republican politics or remain more in the traditional camp, and then, of course, on the democratic side you see terry mcauliffe surging here in all of the latest polling, but at the same time, alex, this is a moment where some of his opponent, two other black women are running in this primary, as well and one of them jennifer carol voit who we spoke with in february, a progressive candidate, you can say and democratic voters are facing a direction on where they want to go in. i asked terry mcauliffe at a time when the entire party is trying to diversify and bring in younger leadership and new faces

and especially because he's been governor before. i asked him for people who consider his candidacy a step backward, what would he say to them? take a listen. >> i know people are looking at age or this, i don't know. what they want is a big, bold leader and that's why that's wh three times as many members of the black caucus endorsing me than everybody else running combined. why? young, old, middle, whatever, we got to go forward, and they know i'll lead that and i'll be big, bold, no tinkering around the edges with terry mcauliffe. >> reporter: alex, there's some of that language, as someone who covered elizabeth warren during the primary, it's interesting to see a similar trend there talking about not tinkering around the edges, big, bold plans. that's basically been terry mcauliffe's message since he jumped into this race and alex, looking forward, we've only had one primary debate so far, like you said, the election isn't until june 8th, so there's time

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house republicans gathering in orlando today for their annual policy retreat. congresswoman liz cheney, who's running the weekend event, says it will focus on republicans getting back to being the party of ideas, substance, and conservative policy. when asked if donald trump would make an appearance, the congresswoman said, quote, i haven't invited him. joining me now is meredith mcgraw, white house reporter with politico. meredith, welcome back to the broadcast. look, donald trump may not be invited but mar-a-lago and all that embodies is not very far away, so to what extent will donald trump loom over this event? >> reporter: well, i had to look

it up and mar-a-lago is about two and a half hours away from orlando so it's a pretty quick trip if he did want to make a last-minute visit but as you said, gop conference chairwoman liz cheney said that trump was not invited to this weekend's gathering, which is really meant to unify the party on policy points and she's really hoping to make this about conservative policies and gathering lawmakers around issues like china and healthcare, among other things, but even though trump's not going to be there, he's still going to be looming over everything. he recently put out a statement saying he wants to challenge liz cheney soon in wyoming in her re-election race, and he's still threatening anybody who has defied him, especially those who voted against -- voted for his impeachment after the january 6th riots, and i think it still shows that there are still fracture points within the republican party.

there's still, you know, some republicans who really, of course, take issue with everything that transpired on january 6th and still want to get to the bottom of that. >> yeah, and let's also talk about what donald trump has said he's going to do, which is he's going to soon endorse a challenger to liz cheney. she's not the only one. your colleague at politico reports trump has wasted no time backing the challenger to ohio congressman anthony gonzalez, who also, by the way, voted to impeach trump. so, how dirty might this intraparty war get? how do you think it could muddy the gop efforts as they try to take back the house in 2022? >> reporter: well, right after the impeachment vote, after january 6th had reported that trump was briefed by his political advisors on each of the ten house republicans that had voted against him, and he's made clear that he is going to seek revenge on those who publicly defied him in that way, among them being cheney.

he's endorsed some more traditional republican candidates, traditional republican senators, people that most folks know, senator marco rubio or senator tim scott in south carolina, but he's also shown that he wants to throw his weight around and push forward candidates who are challenging those who haven't fully embraced trumpism or maga. and i think these 2022 midterm elections are really going to be the first real test, of course, of whether or not those endorsements really even matter. does trump hold power over the party here, or is trumpism his base really the -- here? >> yeah, okay. meredith mcgraw, thank you so much. we'll give a little more time next time. i'm running a little behind, but thank you so much. president biden's ambitious plans for america carry a big price tag, but can the country afford not to pay it? i'll speak with a leading

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♪♪ a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. here's what's happening at 2:00 p.m. eastern, 11:00 a.m. pacific time. we begin with this breaking news. officials in elizabeth city,

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