good afternoon. i'm katy tur. there is breaking news as we come onto the air. just minutes ago merrick garland announced the department of justice is announcing a sweeping investigation into the louisville, kentucky police department. this is separate and in addition to a federal investigation that is already ongoing into the shooting death of breonna taylor. three louisville police officers fired their guns into taylor's

home on march 13th of last year, killing her, right after she got out of bed. federal officials were specifically looking into the warrant that sent the police to taylor's home and how it was obtained, and possibly the louisville police response to the protests after the shooting. last year a grand jury formed by kentucky's attorney general charged one officer with putting taylor's neighbors in danger, but issued no charges in her death, prompting a huge uproar and continued calls for justice. >> the investigation will assess weather lpd acts with force in certain activities. it will determine if lmpd

determines stops and seizures and whether or not they execute search warrants on private homes. it will also assess weather lmpd exercises discriminatory conduct on the basis of race or fails to have public services along with this act. there will be a review of the louisville police department's policies and training. it will also assess systems of accountability. >> this pattern or practice investigation is similar to an investigation announced by attorney general garland last week into the minneapolis police department after the murder of george floyd. joining me now is our justice correspondent pete williams and veteran prosecutor paul henderson. he's the executive director of the san francisco department of police accountability. pete, the attorney general only announced breonna taylor's name

once, but her death felt like it was looming every other bit of that announcement. >> no question about it, especially when he said they'll look into how the louisville police department conducts search warrants, like the botched search that resulted in breonna taylor's death. that's a critical reason this investigation has been launched. >> so when they launch this investigation, pete, what is usually the timeline, and how do they work? >> the timeline will depend on how cooperative the city and state police department are. they said they're both going to cooperate to talk about this. sometimes the responses to these vary. some police departments resist them, but many welcome them. that was certainly the case in minneapolis where the police chief said there are a lot of reforms i want to carry out, i think this will help. in terms of how long it takes, it certainly will be a matter of

months, and i would say probably up to a year to get the results. there will be, under the law that allows the justice department to do this, there will be a public report, so they will make their reports, their recommendations and their findings public, then the police department and the u.s. department generally enter into a cooperative agreement that can be enforced by a court and an independent monitor to ensure that the police department lives up to the commitments that it's made. >> paul, is this different in any way from the minnesota, the minneapolis police department investigation that the d.a. is conducting? >> sure, but only in context. they're a little bit different in terms of how that department is run, but in the bigger picture, it's exactly the same. there is a lot of ground that has to be made up here because there's been a vacuum on the federal side in terms of leadership. that department of justice and

the civil rights division which handles pattern and practice has been cut down and decimated to less than half of what it was from the previous administration. the important thing, the takeaway from this full evaluation and this full announcement today is the specific and intentional contemplation of race. i was so happy to hear that from him that when he talked about the search warrants and he was alluding to the subjective approach and law enforcement takes and executing these search warrants when you overlay race. so when he talked about the peaceful gatherings, the differentiation between rallies, protests and riots, what he's talking about are the distinctions between a george floyd rally and the capitol insurrection and how the departments are showing up differently, how they are handling these crowds differently. are they in militarized uniforms? all of that stuff. i was really happy to hear him talk about race and be intentional about it, because i

think that's what will make a difference. in terms of the timeline, this is the key to all this investigation, is how much data do they have already? we can't fix what we don't talk about, and we can't talk about what we don't know. so to the degree the department already has information about the execution of search warrants, about its protocols, necessary don't have the intentional overlay where they have evaluated and looked at the subjective race disparities tied to race, that's what's going to delay and tie up the upcoming report and whatever responsibility the doj has in terms of how to address the problems they all uncover. race is at the center of this and it ties the incidents all together. >> i'm sorry for interrupting you there for a moment. we just got a statement from the naacp from derrick johnson. it says, the relationship between law enforcement and our community has been deeply

fractured and shattered by the lack of drus and the little to no accountability enforced when police commit a crime. for far too long, killings at the hands of police have only led to one hash tag after another. but true justice comes with accountability and action. we applaud the justice department's new investigation into the louisville metro police department for the murder of breonna taylor and their ongoing practices. no police department is above the law. obviously you're going to get a change in priorities, and this one is being made a priority by this doj, paul. but right now it is at a standstill in terms of federal legislation. in congress, federal legislation to standardize some of the practices and standards for police departments across the country. how much is that needed to get everything aboveboard? >> well, it will help, and again, that's the national leadership that i said there's been a vacuum of on this issue.

the supreme court recently just turned down eight separate opportunities to take up the issue of qualified immunity. that and this new investigation and the fact that the rollout from this and the ruling of derek chauvin on the killing of george floyd has allowed us to move forward and define accountability in a new way, and transparency. these are all things we need to talk about. i believe we're at a watershed movement where communities, specifically communities of color, we have to say it, have to be at the table and defining what public safety looks like, and that begins with evaluating -- we don't have to guess as to whether or not there are issues. those are just facts. those are statistics. if you have concerns in your community, if there are race disparities in policing, start with your use of force evaluation. we already know that use of

force is applied 19.3 times more for communities of color. that's your proof, that's your confirmation. the steps that we take to get there at a local, state and national level is the conversation that we're having right now. the george floyd act will go a long way in defining a national standard, but we already have guidelines that are codified in the department of justice in the 21st century policing. we just have to make sure that's not aspirational and it's institutional by the actions of our elected leaders, by the courts and by our legislators to ensure that we have real accountability in this country. >> paul, stick around for a second. pete williams, thank you very much. paul, i want to get your thoughts on this next story. we're also following breaking news out of north carolina where family members of andrew brown jr. were supposed to show body

camera video this morning, but that has not happened. they are making what they call redactions of the footage. andrew brown jr.'s family is calling for the release of the unredacted video. >> redactions should not be made to show to the son of mr. brown. open the door. it is time for transparency and accountability to take place today. >> they just wanted to sweep it under the rug as they have done other brothers and sisters who have been unjustifiably killed by the people who are supposed to protect the service. >> it does not make sense that the north carolina state legislature can hide videos like this when all we know is that sunshine is the best disinfectant. >> the 42-year-old father of seven was shot multiple times as deputies tried to serve search and arrest warrants last week. the circumstances of the shooting, though, have remained largely unclear. several deputies have been

placed on administrative leave. the sheriff's department says they will need an order from a judge to release the video to anyone other than brown's family and their attorneys. at this point they expect to release the video and audio recording sometime over the next 24 to 48 hours. but in advance of that, elizabeth city has already declared a state of emergency. joining me now from elizabeth city, north carolina is nbc news correspondent kathy park. kathy, bring us up to speed with what's going on right now. >> reporter: so, katy, essentially it's wait and see mode. i can tell you that family members of andrew brown jr. as well as the attorneys will now inside the sheriff's office viewing the body camera footage. but it's been an interesting turn of events because everyone was supposed to come together at 11:30 this morning, but there was a bit of a delay and confusion, because according to the brown family attorneys, they said that they were told by the county attorney that they had to

redact the body camera footage. the county also released a statement saying that they were citing the law saying they had to blur some of the faces in footage. but they did process, i guess, this footage immediately once the request came in on sunday night. so they are claiming that they were moving very quickly, but it does take time to redact the footage. we spoke with attorney ben crump earlier today about the redaction. here's what he told us. >> why are you redacting the video? the family has the right to see the video. it's just a delay tactic, because apparently there is something so damning on that video that they continue to delay, delay, delay, and as the crowds chanted, they don't need to say anymore. just show the video. the truth is going to come out. andrew brown was unjustifiably

killed. again, an unarmed black man unjustifiably killed in america. >> reporter: the crowd has been out here all morning. they're just waiting for comments from the attorneys when they come out after they've seen footage, katy. >> kathy park, thank you so much. paul, i want to ask you about redactions, because just in the last couple weeks alone, week or so, we've seen immediate responses from police departments showing the entirety of videos, body cam videos, involving police-involved shootings, both in columbus and minnesota, the past couple weeks. why here is there this delay and this move to blur out some stuff, i guess, or edit it? >> the answer to that is because

they do not have community-oriented protocols. it's ludicrous that they can't tell you when, if or who gets access to this body-worn camera, and this is part of the reason -- one of the first things i did in my leadership for the police oversight agency was develop a set of protocols for officer-involved shootings, because those are the most incendiary incidences that take place. somebody has to evaluate who is going to take lead in incidents like this, take over the investigation and have this issue resolved about who has access to body-worn cameras, who is making statements? is it the law enforcement agency? is it the local prosecution? is it the state attorney general's office? who is taking the lead on this investigation when it's controversial like this, and who is going to address and deal with the community and the family and the entire process that goes on beyond just declaring a state of emergency?

and part of the problem that we have here when you declare a state of emergency is even if you have local reforms, state of emergency means you call in the state police and/or the national guard. and it raises the questions of whether or not those agencies have been reformed as well. these are questions that are answered by reform and part of what is putting the pressure on not just this local jurisdiction but the state and the nation as well to address some of these concerns that we have. and this is exactly why the lack of these reforms, why we have a new incident day after day, week after week, month after month. and until we get an accountability level that has been determined and we know what the best answer to that is, it's civilian oversight. law enforcement departments cannot reform themselves. we can no longer address this except for the systemic problems in our justice system to ask agencies to reform themselves.

we also know the codified policing already exists. what can we do to reform them at a state and national level? they've invited the family to see the videotape, then they don't let them see the videotape. then they say the judge needs to give permission to see the videotape because they say it's not a public record. how is that not a public record in this state compared to other states? and why are they talking about redacting the faces of the other officers? here's a bigger question. why are you shooting at cars? these are safety measures for law enforcement and community. these are issues that have to be addressed with reforms. those are not evident here. that's the problem. >> paul henderson. paul, thank you so much for sticking with us. we appreciate it.

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president biden is expected to announce new cdc guidance on masks as soon as tomorrow. the administration is like toll loosen mask wearing outdoors. there have been growing calls

from public health experts to limit wearing masks outdoors, most recently from scott gottlieb. >> i think there shouldn't be requirements they should have to wear masks outdoors. i think we should also be thinking about lifting requirements and mandates on gatherings outside, to allow more gatherings outside, allow more large groups,events, thing nature. >> while the final details are still being worked out, it could mean there are more freedoms for the vaccinated. it's great news for the 100 million americans who are now fully vaccinated and a potential carrot for those who are hesitating. another 8% of people who did not show up for their second dose, a tool for that could be the johnson & johnson vaccine which

doesn't require a second shot. incredibly aware and serious blood clots have done some damage to their reputation. 22% are considering getting it. the overwhelming majority of people who get the shots have no serious side effects, including j&j, and most importantly, the vaccines work incredibly well at preventing hospitalization and death. they also are key back to normal life with the head of the union saying vaccinated americans will be allowed to travel no the eu this summer. you can go to europe, potentially. joining us, erin mclachlan who is in los angeles and from burbank, california. erin, what is the feeling on j&j? >> reporter: there is demand for j&j. it's seen as a critical

component of the overall vaccination strategy here at this center in south l.a. this is one of the hardest hit areas of los angeles. at one point it saw that 25% of the people here had been infected by the virus. it's densely populated. many migrant workers live here, many people also living below the poverty line. as you can see behind me, a busy vaccination center just over that way. those are the tents where they're administering the shots. the area right here is called the pit. this is where people go to wait for those potential side effects after receiving a vaccine, and in this tent over here is where they're preparing the actual vaccines. over here you see they just finished up a tray of pfizer. right here is the johnson & johnson shot. everyone who receives one of these shots will also receive this pamphlet warning of those rare side effects you were referring to, katy, and the health director here tells me this is an essential component to their strategy, and he

explained why. take a listen. >> we had other patients who are traveling outside of the country who were adamant they really wanted j&j. those who live here but may work in mexico city, for example, they came and got the j&j this weekend. there are people in community who prefer j&j because they only wanted to be poked once and they wanted the maximum protection, it was j&j. we're very happy to say we have several doses of j&j from friday onward. and we're going to do a lot today. >> reporter: normally at this site they vaccinate 3,000 people here a day alone. they've seen the dropoff down to 2,000, and now they really are working overtime. they expanded the hours, now offering midnight vaccinations so people who get off their shifts can come here and get vaccinated as well.

they realize this last mile is perhaps the most important. they said they originally had hoped they would be able to reach herd immunity in this community by the end of may. now they're looking, in light of setbacks, like what happened to the j&j vaccine, they'll have to push that weeks into the month of june. katy? >> hopefully they can get there sooner than later. i know a lot of people who have gotten the j&j vaccine, who want the j&j vaccine because it is just one dose, one and done. and it's important, because i guess there are 8% of the population right now who officials believe may not have gotten their second dose of either the moderna or pfizer vaccine. i want to put that in perspective. that means 92% of those who got their first dose got their second dose, which is amazing news. but of those 8%, what are officials doing to try to get back to them, and is the message even if you waited six weeks,

seven weeks, eight weeks, maybe more, you can still get it and it will be effective? >> reporter: katy, yes. let me start out by saying a biden administration official said that 92% is a really good number. if you compare it with the shingles vaccine, for example, the number of people who don't return for a second dose is about 25%. like you mentioned, 92% would be a good number. with this 8%, one of the things that worried the cdc was that the last report for march was half that number. there could be several things within that 8%. one is the reports we've had of vaccination sites where they've canceled or rescheduled the second dose for a lot of people because they ran out of supply or they just didn't have the right vaccine that was needed. also vaccine hesitancy. people that were scared of the possible effects from the second vaccine where doctors have said those side effects rarely occur, and you would rather get the second vaccine than get covid,

right? then there are people who think one vaccine might just be enough, and we've been speaking with doctors who want to reemphasize how important it is to get that second dose. >> if you only get one shot, you might not be protected against all the different variants because your immune system is not ready for it. we're urging people to get that second dose so you can be fully immunized and fully protected. >> reporter: now, there is also a detail within the numbers. the cdc thinks people who got their first dose at one location and the second dose in another location could be disconnected in the system where it's not counting them as being part of the group that got their second dose. this is something they're still looking into. more research is needed krn the cdc as to what percentage of that 8% could be skipping the second dose. katy? >> hard to keep track of in a

country as large as this. guad, welcome to the team. we appreciate it. he recently served as pandemic and agency reports coordinator. let's talk about masking rules because i know there are a lot of people interested in this. going outside, do you need to wear a mask? i know the cdc is going to make a recommendation. we could get it as soon as tomorrow, but do you need a mask, in your estimation, going outside right now? >> no, i don't think you do, katy. there is a relative risk, right, so i would be cautious about going out to a large concert and being around lots of people who aren't wearing masks. but if you're out jogging, walking your dog and just passing people casually, you're not going to get infected with covid from those people, particularly if you're vaccinated. >> what if you're stopping and

talking to somebody, and you're vaccinated but you're not sure if the person you're talking to is vaccinated? >> the odds of contracting covid from an infected person is far less outdoors than indoors. your risk of contracting covid is 20% higher indoors. that's a risk exposure, particularly if you have some space between you. the good news is if you're vaccinated, your protection level, particularly if you had both doses or a single dose of the johnson & johnson is very, very good. you have to weigh your risk, but i think it's unlikely you'll get infected that way. >> let me ask you this, because we're talking about the 18% who may not have gotten their second dose. wasn't there news from a week ago that showed the dose was 80% effective in a lot of people? doesn't that mean if you did just get your first dose, not saying you shouldn't also get

your second dose, that you're pretty well protected given the efficacy rate to pass vaccines? >> 80% is good, katy, you're right, but it's not perfect. i can tell you i've seen and taken care of a number of patients who had that first dose and still got infected with covid after that. we believe that first dose is up to 80% effective, but what we don't know is how long that immunity lasts. we don't know for sure if it drops off after six months or if it's just as durable as a two-month vaccination dose. the other protection we have and against these other variants circulating. we know there are other variants circulating in brazil and south africa where getting the second dose is less important. so you're getting a boost to

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nearly 100 days in, president biden is preparing to suggest a joint session of

congress in what could be his most crucial opportunity to sell his ambitious american families plan to american families. it's not called the state of the union in a president's first year in office, but for all intents and purposes, that is what it is. after spending eight years peeking over president obama's shoulder, it is now his turn. in a piece entitled "joe biden's first 100 days reshaped america," they argue that he's trying to cut child poverty by more than half, expanding obamacare and injecting the stimulus more than twice the

size of what obama's congress passed in 2009. that's one take, but what do the american people think? with us is steve kornacki and white house reporter eugene daniels, who is also an msnbc political contributor. steve, what do the numbers tell us? >> let's run through them. a couple different ways of looking at this. this is the bottom line number, biden's approval number at 100 days in, sitting there at 53%. that's been pretty steady. he's been just over 50% for most polling in this first period of his presidency. notable that donald trump couldn't get to 40% in his first four years in office. biden's non-trump predecessors were able to get higher than this, in some cases significantly higher than this early in their presidency. so this is during trump and

pre-trump predecessors. do you have a positive or a negative impression of joe biden? it's 50% positive, 36% negative. for some comparison here, some context, how about biden's party, the democratic party, what do people make of that? a little bit under water. 39% positive, 41% negative. the republican party, this is a trend we've seen for a while now, doing worse than the democratic party, significantly 32% positive, 46% negative. then we measure donald trump here. what do folks think a few months after leaving office. trump 42 positive, 55 negative. we asked people to rate the start of the biden presidency. would they call it a good start, would they call it a great start? 44% said it's a good or great start to his presidency, 55% say

it's a fair or poor start to his presidency. we asked this at the beginning of the trump presidency. 100 days in, at that point, 35% said trump was off to a great or good start. we also asked 100 days in to the obama presidency. right there 54% off to a great or good start. better than trump with the numbers, but his pre-trump predecessors not at this level, especially when you look at obama here. you can see the best scores biden gets. handling of the coronavirus, 69% approval, and the worst, it's on the border, nearly 60% say they disapprove how the president is handling that. >> why do you think we see republicans going to the border so much? steve kornacki, thank you. we want to go back to the story

that was breaking at the top of this hour. louisville officials responding to merrick garland's request of an investigation into the louisville pd. they say they welcome the investigation. >> let me repeat, as i have often said. you have an unbelievably difficult job working to keep us safe while policing equitably across our community. good officers will welcome this announcement and see it as an exciting time to be part of reform and trantransformation. to the people of louisville, know that you are the ultimate winners of this review, which will help us remove as quickly as possible any obstacles that stand in the way of louisville becoming a more just and a more compassionate city, a city of equity and constitutional policing for all of our

residents. thank you, attorney general. we look ready to assist you in your efforts. next i'll turn things over to lmpd chief. >> good afternoon. i can't say that i was entirely surprised by the doj's announcement, and i think that as someone who truly believes in police reform and doing things differently, which will only help us as a profession in the long run, i think it's a good thing. i think that it's necessary because police reform, quite honestly, is needed in every police department across the

country. and if we at lmpd is going to be one of the flagship departments for change, then bring it on. we're going to deliver. what i have found in my short time here is a department that is comprised of some of the most honorable men and women i have ever worked with in law enforcement. they want to get it right. they want the community to be proud of them. and so i look at this as an opportunity to quicken the pace in which we can make those changes essential so that the community trusts us and believes in us. the city had invested in, prior to my arrival, and it was rolled out shortly after i started, an independent audit of the department, a top to bottom review by hillyard hines, third party. it put forth a number of recommendations that were extremely beneficial for us as we develop our strategic plan

moving forward and as we operationalize changes. but the reality of it is, is what the doj are doing. they're bringing more resources, drilling down in detail and also providing the guidance of what it is the federal government wants to see nationally from law enforcement agencies. and there has to be clarity and uniformity on that if we're ever going to be in a space where policing is a profession that we can be proud of in every corner of america. to the officers, the employees, what i will say is this venture will only be successful if you are engaged. your feedback, your involvement and your observations are imperative. the job that you do day in and day out is extremely difficult, extremely dangerous. and that's the one piece of this equation, with all the criticism

that comes on police, that we have to also deal with, and we have to get our arms around, and that is just the sheer volume of illegal guns that are on the street. because i think if we don't address that as well, we're going to have a much harder time getting our arms around this. and it is imperative, then, as you as officers you engage in this process. it's okay if we've done things wrong. we're going to do it differently, we're going to do it better. but this is your future, it is our future, and we need to articulate what's worked and what hasn't worked so that we can be afforded those resources and the assistance that's so desperately needed to get us in a space where we can be proud of who we are and proud of our performance day in and day out. i do welcome this, as the mayor does, because i think that we are in a space that we need

support. but i also firmly believe in lmpd and the city of louisville. we've got this. thank you. >> thank you, chief. we'll now hear from the president of the metro council, david james. >> good afternoon, everybody. i, too, welcome this opportunity to have the attorney general of the united states look at the patterns and practices of lmpd. i think our officers at lmpd really want to have the very best police department in the country. i think our citizens want to have the very best police department in the country. but i think there has to be some cultural change that takes place for that to happen. i think chief shields is doing a fantastic job. however, as she said, i think she needs some help to get that done, and i think having the

federal government come in and look at what we have going well and what we don't have going so well is very important. i don't think that it's any secret that we have a police department that has some troubles, but we also have a police department that has some of the very best police officers in the country. i look forward to this, i welcome it, the metro council welcomes it, and i know that our police department can do better and that some change has to take place and that i know our community wants to do better and have good relationships with our police department, and i believe those things can happen. thank you. >> thank you, president james. another way to look at this is we've been building momentum toward this type of audit now for the last six to nine months in the community. again, unfortunately, out of a tragedy. so we have got a lot of

experience with the desire to improve like this. we've seen many of our lmpd officers embrace this type of movement toward becoming the best police force in the did you not p and re -- we just happen to be the city beer talking about here today. what we're talking about is really an outstanding opportunity for us. one of our critical partners for that journey is michael o'connell, our county attorney, who will now give his thoughts. mike? >> thank you, mayor fisher. in my office, and i know everyone up here from listening to them, we welcome them with open arms. louisville needs this level of

accountability to fully push ahead with reform. this is what our community needs to have a chance at repairing trust between the city and its police department. i was pleased to hear attorney general merrick garland mention some of the steps metro has already taken, including the settlement with the family of breonna taylor. but there is much more to be done. i think one of the other things that is fortunate about this, when you get the department of justice telephoning you with their civil rights division and telling you that they want to meet on pretty short notice to discuss some things, it's generally not about traffic tickets, it's about something very serious, which it is. and the team they have and will assemble to come in here and perform this very important work and, you know, i was very impressed with them. hopefully there is a reason

they're calling the department of justice and hopefully that's what will come about as a result of this work they're going to do. i will certainly be an eager department and we'll help them as much as possible. thank you. >> with that, we're welcome to take any questions. [ inaudible question ] >> we met with them at 11:30 this morning, and they explained why they were in town, the work that they've been doing, that they would be initiating an investigation to see where that would take them with our department. [ inaudible question ] >> there is four specific areas they're looking into and that they will also then be going back, i think they said, about

five years or so. have they released those with attorney general garland or anybody? i think they will be putting out that directive on what they'll be looking at. [ inaudible question ] >> started with the announcement to us here today, and they did not want to give a timeline on exactly how long it would last. they did reference that investigations like this in chicago and baltimore took about 13 months or so for a smaller department than certainly chicago is, and depending how goods our records are in shape, that could predict how quickly it will proceed. >> are you concerned this will affect the ability to

pre-classify people in the pd? >> i see this as like a really exciting, positive thing, because it's no secret that policing in america is at a crossroerds. i know that our plilts force, they don't want that. they want change. they want to see the community welcoming their work. they want to understand that good training practices were followed. so, folks, we're interested in changing the tenor and tone of policing in our country, which is very important. we'll be very pleased to join a police department which has the opportunity to be at the vanguard of that change, just like good police officers will be within lmpd, which we're

honored to have very many of those. chief, do you want to comment on that? [ inaudible question ] comment? >> let me address the recruitment thing. it is important to no at a time hiring and recruiting around the united states in law enforcement is proving to be extremely challenging. we have to rebrand our product. we have numerous self inflicted wounds that have made our product unappealing, period. and so this is not isolated to lmpd by any stretch. what i think is my job is to ensure that the department and the people that are hiring understand this actually empowers me because what i will be pushing for is more

resources, more training, all right, and more, more tools other than lethal force to help our officers navigate the numerous situations they encounter day-in and day-out. for too long, we have allowed other parties to dictate how we do our job and how we train and what we invest in, and the reality of it is we need to be driving that. so to me, i look at this as a huge opportunity to get us on the path forward that's most beneficial for the police department. and i think that, you know, that's my job to make sure people understand that this is not a negative, with what these folks have been dealing with for the last nine months, i think i

would like to believe they dealt with the hardest part and that we could get to some level of normalcy in the city so the community feels good about lmpd. >> darcy, repeat that question. [ inaudible ] >> first off, i hope that the investigation will show the lmpd did a good job under very difficult circumstances. if it is found there are violations of constitutional policing, that needs to be

communicated, it needs to be understood and corrected, if not understood. my job is to represent all of the people of louisville, not to protect the police department, not to protect any specific interest group, it is to make sure that justice is present throughout the entire community. and if that means welcoming audits and welcoming the doj and they help us in that ultimate goal, that's a good thing for the community. i would regret if it happened, but the worst thing in the world is to look the other way, deny it happened. [ inaudible question ]

[ inaudible question ] >> i would say there's been plenty of change enacted by our police chiefs that we've had under my watch and that things happen in a city our size. not saying we don't constantly need to change and improve. we have a record of that. this has been done since the tragedy with breonna taylor, we'll always continue to change. people have different opinions on what change is, some don't welcome it, others embrace change. we always try to improve and will continue to do so.

i am not dignifying a question like that, it is simplistic. [ inaudible ] . >> to me, i will give it to the chief after this, our police officers are smart people, they see what's happening around the country with policing and police reform and they've certainly lived it, experienced it in our community. they're not happy with the type of situation that policing is in locally or nationally, so we have to change. and i would think they want to be part of that.

chief? >> thank you. i think that the police have not enjoyed their job, right, so they understand that whatever we've been doing isn't working, want clear line of sight how we can be successful, how can policing be enjoyable again. what do we have to do to get this right. in this particular situation when you have the doj coming in, providing pointed feedback, resources and assistance, it only shores up what we're already working on. we're already working on this. but this is like the force multiplier on steroids coming in. i believe the hardest part for lmpd has been navigated, and

they're now in a space they realize and see they have to change, they want to be proud of their job, of work they are doing, want the community to be proud of them. let's get there. and i don't look at this as something that's beating up on them. this is police departments, especially in a city, you're going to have things not go well and sometimes they go awful. like anything else, are you going to lay down or pick up and say you know what, i'm going to do what i need to do to come out on top. and that's what we're doing.

[ inaudible ] >> just on friday they obviously announced they were going into minneapolis, two cities in the spotlight this last year were minneapolis and louisville. i appreciated the attorney general recognizing the progress that we've made in the city but look, doj's job is not to sit back and say they're trying, making progress, their job is to come in and understand what's happened and what's going on and put a stamp of approval on that or say no, we need to investigate in further areas. the important thing here, folks, is for citizens of louisville to say we looked at this every possible way from hill ard heights, through community forums, hiring a new police chief, now department of justice. if you're looking for the ultimate arbiter of what's taking place, they are it. that's why i think this is a win for the city and it will remove any type of critics we might have from the most fierce critic on the left to most fierce critic on the right for

different reasons about the city having some agenda or some objective to prove the way we are going about this. that's why this is a good and welcome thing for the community. is there anybody new? [ inaudible ] >> i feel it is a cultural issue. if you look at use of force, who the force is used against, how it is applied, if you're looking at searches, seizures, who is searched, why they're searched, how that constitutional

authority that they have is applied, if you're looking at if there's any disparate impact on the policies of the police department, upon its citizens, those are cultural issues in the police department and all things that need to be addressed. [ inaudible ] >> it means there are areas that need to be changed. that's not a secret. we have been talking about that for years. [ inaudible ] >> so what