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very, very low if you're both fully vaccinated and out in the open air. if you're vaccinated, you can do more things more safely both outdoors as well as indoors. so for those that haven't gotten their vaccination yet, especially if you're younger, or thinking you don't need it, this is another great reason to go get vaccinated now. now. >> sir, you chose to wear a mask as you walked out here. what message were you sending by wearing a mask outside? >> watching me take it off and put it back on when i get inside. >> joining me, jonathan lemire, and dr. mercedes karnthon from northwestern university, fineburg school of medicine.

jonathan, political pressures. what kind of political pressure is the speech the product of when it comes to getting people vaccinated and dealing with pandemic fatigue? >> well, there's no question this has become a source of intense conversation in recent weeks in terms of whether a mask is needed to be worn outside. let's be clear, the white house, cdc is saying and amplified by president biden if you're not vaccinated, still have to wear a mask. if you are fully vaccinated and unless you're with a large group of people, you don't have to. the white house has been wrestling with this for some time. they waited for the cdc guidance that came out earlier today. as they pivot to the next phase of the pandemic, they have since president biden took office erred on the side of caution, telling people to stay safe, distanced, masked, to get

vaccinations. as the vaccinations have ramped up, a huge part of the population is hesitant to get it, that remains a challenge. the number ramps up and people are looking towards moving back to some degree of normal life, it is seen as a key first step and the language needed to change. the first step, the white house continues to pivot towards managing the crisis of the pandemic into managing the process of returning to normal. >> doctor, talk about the science. a year plus into the pandemic. how strong is the science behind the new guidelines and what is the next level of easing restrictions if masks are slowly coming off. >> thank you for the question. one thing that's been very stend throughout the pandemic is that we know it is spread through respiratory droplets, we know concentration is going to be higher in indoor spaces.

this is the process of science. as jonathan lemire pointed out, we revise guidelines when we have more and sufficient data. so it is appropriate at this stage to say that being outdoors can be a relatively safe situation for individuals, certainly who are vaccinated, and even those unvaccinated, assuming distance can be maintained. what has not changed is if you're going to be in close proximity of other people, particularly those unvaccinated, it is important to still wear the mask, so the outdoor concerts we're looking forward to returning to, those are situations you're going to be in close proximity with people for 15 minutes or more, possible singing, shouting, enjoying yourselves. that's why we still need mask wearing. i am hopeful as we have more and more individuals vaccinated, we can provide more freedoms. >> and the president took a few

questions, one of the more notable ones had to do with india. india is dealing with the worst outbreak in the world now. the president as i mentioned was asked about it and whether or not the u.s. was doing enough to help india in the crucial moment. take a listen to what he said. >> we are sending immediately a whole series of help that he needs, including providing for those remdesivir and other drugs able to deal with this, prevent in some cases but recover, help recovery. secondly, we are sending the actual mechanical parts needed for the machinery they have to build a vaccine. i discussed with him when we'll be able to send actual vaccines to india which would be my intention to do. >> doctor, help us connect the dots. some people may be watching

this, not necessarily understanding the connection of why we need to be doing this, why we should be doing more. first of all, connect dots about why what happens in india matters here, and whether or not you think more should be done by the united states and other countries to help india deal with the surge. >> the situation in india is a public health tragedy and crisis and that's because of a number of factors. not only do they not have infrastructure to treat and manage those that develop coronavirus but, you know, the ways in which people live, the multi generational households. even the relatively younger age of the population is what's contributing to rampant spread. the reason why the situation in india is a concern for us in the united states is that as long as the virus is circulating, it is changing itself to become more infectious. we talked about variants that infected the majority of the united states. in addition to those variants,

india now has its own home grown variants and the pace at which we have to continue innovation on the vaccine fronts to keep up with the variants is going to slow our opportunity to stop spread of the coronavirus. and even most importantly, this is the most populous country in the world. people are coming and going. this will not remain restricted to borders of india. if we do not provide the help that president biden is suggesting, it won't be long before it spreads back into our country with new variants. >> joe biden marks 100 days as president this week according to announcement by you and your colleagues at the associated press. the president kept at least 25 of the 61 promises he made for his first 100 days in office. walk us through some of the notable areas where he has fallen short, where he made

successes and how he is trying to overcome those shortcomings. >> sure. we'll hear from the president tomorrow night in his first joint address to congress. unquestionably, there are a few promises he hasn't kept. we know the refugee cap which blazed into the spotlight the last week or so, he did not raise it as anticipated and said he would. the white house said it will still happen, but hasn't occurred in the first 100 days. that disappointed allies. they struggled with the situation at the southern border with the incredible number of undocumented migrants, particularly children, who tried to reach the united states. the white house points to and the ap, we can fact check it, a number of successes. i think remember three essential promises from candidate biden. one to get the pandemic under control. there are hot spots. this is far from over. the vaccination distribution has been unqualified success, certainly cases are far lower than they were when he took

office, far fewer americans are dying. that's first. second, to bring down the temperature in an overheated washington, inflamed by his predecessor, donald trump, he is trying to reach out in bipartisan fashion. he hasn't received any republican votes from capitol hill, but his policies received support from some other republican office holders and polling shows republican voters. he is less in your face than trump was, he deliberately turned down the volume, tried to be less present in the national consciousness. third, an idea of restoring faith in government, the idea that government is a competent entity, can run big things like the vaccination program. as we hear from him tomorrow night, he is dreaming big. he does fancy himself in the model of fdr, lbj in terms of a big government democrat to use big programs in time of crisis to change people's lives for the better. >> and all eyes will be on that address tomorrow night.

thanks to both of you. as i mention, the president speaking tomorrow night, making the trip down pennsylvania avenue to capitol hill to deliver his first address to joint session of congress. that's expected to focus on a wide range of issues. joining us, florida democratic congresswoman stephanie murphy, co-chair of blue dog coalition that met with president biden at the white house last week. congresswoman, thank you so much for your time. what issues are you most hopeful to hear the president speak about tomorrow night? >> i'm really excited to attend president biden's first address to congress. i am looking forward to hearing him talk about the things that we need to do, laying out the plan to help us build back better in the aftermath of the pandemic and as we try to recover from the economic recession. there are going to be a number of challenges that remain once out of the crisis, and i am hopeful that we have a president willing and ready to engage in

these problems, help us work to find solutions for everyday americans so that we can build back better. >> speaking of tomorrow and going forward, big projects, infrastructure is one of the bipartisan issues. you heard my colleague jonathan lemire talk about lack of bipartisanship so far. republicans have put forward a plan that's much smaller than the president's when it comes to infrastructure. do you believe a bipartisan deal is still within reach? >> well look, i am hopeful that at least the republicans are willing to engage, although they undershoot the needs that our nation requires as far as our infrastructure is concerned and think of it as a starting point. that's how negotiations work. everybody comes in at a starting point and continue conversation. my hope is through bipartisan conversations that we are able to put together the boldest bill

that votes will be able to bear. >> the president, congresswoman, is expected to introduce another multi trillion proposal on education, child care, and paid leave. i'm curious your thoughts as leader of a moderate caucus, do you think the president has been too progressive in his proposals or not progressive enough? >> i think what the president has done is recognize that we both need investments into physical infrastructure as well as investments to enable human infrastructure. our greatest asset here in this country is our human resources, so the american families plan makes an effort to enable american families to work and to contribute in the ways that brings out the best of us as americans. i know if we are able to make investments not only into our physical infrastructure but also into human infrastructure, we

can be competitive with any country in this world and we'll be able to create an economic future for americans that's better than the ones we've seen in the past. >> are you concerned about the price tag associated with some of the endeavors? >> well, as leader of the blue dog coalition that believes in fiscal responsibility, i was heartened to see the president make an effort to pay for investments, given the high level of debt and deficits we're running, it is incredibly important to be fiscally responsible. and this stands in stark contrast what we saw with republicans when they had the presidency, house and senate. they chose instead to get us further into debt by giving ginormous tax cut to the wealthiest and largest corporations. i think that we still have to hammer out details on how we pay for the things, what exactly we're paying for. but at least we're taking

reasonable and strategic approach to the future of this country. >> let's talk about democracy in your home state of florida, the florida state senate advanced a voting bill similar to what was approved in georgia, includes limits on casting ballots by mail and drop boxes. talk about the impact it will have on democracy in your state. what do you think will happen? >> this is personal for me because my family and i escaped a communist socialist country where voting was not a right of the citizens. so i deeply appreciate the right to vote and the opportunity to vote because it is a fundamental part of american democracy. and yet so many leaders in florida continue to push efforts to suppress the vote. it is really just undemocratic to see the efforts that they're making to make it more difficult for people to vote. if you have good ideas, good values, then you should be

confident to battle those out and allow and encourage every american to vote. the fact you're seeing voter suppression efforts is direct result of the fact that the republican party has lost its way, especially here in florida, and they don't have ideas and values to stand on that floridians support, so they have to resort to these type of tactics. it is shameful. >> finally, i have to ask about your own future, florida's republican senator marco rubio says he won't attend tomorrow's speech in part because they're making people sit in the gallery due to covid restrictions. you recently told an affiliate that you're seriously considering a run against senator rubio next year. i know your colleague val demings also expressed an interest. are you closer to a decision on whether or not you will run? >> well, i'm working through my decision-making process. i'm somebody that loves this country so much, i'm always looking for ways i can be of greatest service to this

country. i am humbled by conversations across florida about what floridians want for the future of florida. as i make this decision, i will think about my parents and sacrifice they made to escape a communist regime to bring me to this country so i could be the first vietnamese woman to serve in congress and think about what i can bring to the table. i know what it takes to be a powerful propoen ept, what it takes to win in a swing district. i have done it before. i think i have ideas to offer and i am getting close to making my decision. >> all right. when you do, you have an invite to come back, let us know. thank you so much for your time and insights. appreciate it. up next, breaking news from north carolina. the fbi launching a civil rights investigation into the fatal police shooting of andrew brown jr. and what his family is saying about the 20 seconds of police body cam footage they

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we are following breaking news out of north carolina. the fbi charlotte field ofs opened a civil rights investigation into the fatal shooting of andrew brown jr.

killed by sheriff's deputies last week. authorities were serving a warrant for his arrest on felony drug charges. earlier today, attorneys for brown's family held a press conference, describing details from an independent autopsy that found he was shot five times, including once directly in the back of his head. joining me from elizabeth city, nbc correspondent megan fitzgerald. good to have you with us. what more is the family saying, what is the status of police body cam footage seeking release? >> reporter: i can tell you the family is outraged, they are frustrated. as you mentioned, that press conference that was held earlier today releasing findings of the independent autopsy that the family's attorney commissioned because they say they're not getting a lot of information from the county or sheriff's department. they're calling this an execution. keep in mind, the family and the attorneys had an opportunity to see a 20 second snippet of the

video. piecing together exactly what happened. what they say as you mention is that andrew brown was shot five times. four of the shots hitting the right arm as he is sitting in the driveway with his hands on the steering wheel. that's when they say he tried to get away from deputies that were shooting at him. he drives away. they continue to shoot in the back of the vehicle. the fifth shot hitting him in the back of the skull. they tell us that's the fatal shot before brown collides into a tree. the big question here obviously is where is this video, when will the video be released. here in the state of north carolina, there's a law in place that allows a judge to make that decision, so we know that tomorrow morning around 10:00 a.m., a judge will hear arguments, and it is possible we will learn as early as tomorrow morning if and when the video will be released to the public. last thing i want to mention is that the fbi and department of justice is looking into this, they are investigating a civil

rights investigation to the shooting. >> megan fitzgerald, live in elizabeth city. thank you. police reform expected to be part of president biden's first joint address to congress as well as republican response from south carolina, senator tim scott. he is facing criticism for work on police reform from an influential voice on the right, tucker carlson, of course. joining me, capitol hill correspondent lee ann caldwell. what more can you tell us about criticism of scott before he delivers the most important speech of his political life? >> reporter: i caught up with senator scott and senator booker who are involved in negotiations, leading negotiations. they both said they're making progress. but of course, senator scott faces some pitfalls and landmines from the right who could make his goal of achieving police reform more complicated. let's listen to tucker carlson

on his show, what he said about senator scott. >> tim scott, the senator from south carolina, republican, the guy giving the republican response wednesday night to the president's speech to the joint session somehow managed to mirror, tim scott, the statement from yale university president. almost word for word. we know there's more work to be done. yale statement read there's much more work to be done. not more work, much more work. difference between tim scott and that of yale is one of degrees. >> reporter: i asked mitch mcconnell if republicans are diving into perhaps political challenges by getting behind some sort of police reform. he dodged the question, but does have a lot of praise for senator scott, and the truth is on capitol hill that senator mcconnell and all republicans are taking their queues from

senator scott and giving him leeway to try to come up with some sort of compromise deal with democrats. while he might be getting a lot of pressure from conservatives outside the beltway or from influential media, personalities like tucker carlson, on capitol hill, republicans are allowing tim scott to do his thing and see where it ends up, see if it is something they're able to support him in. >> i mentioned earlier, seating is limited in the house chamber for the president's address. some house republicans are giving tickets to freshman members. is there any concern about disruption like 2009 when joe wilson shouted you lie at president obama? >> reporter: we're going to be watching. it is unclear at this point. it is going to be a much different mood inside the chamber. there are usually 1600 people in the chamber for a state of the union or joint address. it is only going to be 200

people total. freshmen are saying they're likely to go if they have tickets given to them. we are wondering if some of the freshmen like matt gaetz or more controversial freshmen will be there to be rebel rousers. but it will be very apparent if they are, with not a lot of people in the chamber and will be noticed quickly if they decide to do something like that. >> lee ann caldwell on capitol hill. thank you as always. we are days away from one of the biggest public gatherings the country will see since the start of the pandemic a year ago. how is churchill downs going to keep tens of thousands of fans expected to gather for the kentucky derby safe? live in louisville when we come back. you're watching msnbc. back you're watching msnbc. find your breaking point. then break it. every emergen-c gives you a potent blend of nutrients so you can emerge your best

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without a mask at an emergency coronavirus meeting. and despite rising covid numbers, brazil will not recommend russia's vaccine nationally, calling its efficacy uncertain. peer review study found it 92% effective in february. tens of thousands of people are expected to descend on churchill downs as events kickoff ahead of the main event, the kentucky derby. several new regulations in place for the gathering fans. cal perry joins me from louisville. good to have you with us. i assume you're one of the fans. talk about the precautions, what foigtsz are doing to keep everyone safe. >> reporter: the amazing thing, we are inside churchill downs at the paddock, the grounds are so big. there are thousands of people here now, it is relatively easy to social distance. precautions start before you even come in through the doors. there's a very quick

questionnaire, two questions followed by temperature check. basically questions, have you had any symptoms, have you been in contact with anyone with symptoms. anyone with temperature over 100 degrees sent home. once in here, masks are mandatory. they ask you to socially distance. they'll keep attendance down. normally you would see 170,000 here, you'll see about 50,000 as things peak saturday. we have been talking out here about masks, what people think of the mask mandates. take a listen. >> i think they are depending on the venue. i don't think that we can just throw away all of the safety. i think we're going to be different than we've ever been before forever. >> this feels like a good indication of that, smaller crowd. >> exactly. well, i'm really sorry it is a smaller crowd because that's part of the excitement of being at churchill downs, and i mean, everybody has to make money. i think they've got a good

safety plan for the first year, and i think as the variants pass through, we'll know a little more about what's going to be safe. >> reporter: as we see large events kickback in, ayman, you'll see situations where the mask mandates differ from the state itself. the governor put out new mask mandates, you don't have to wear a mask outside in small groups much like cdc guidance today, but here at the track, it remains mandatory through the season. >> cal perry in tennessee, thank you. she made history at the oscars, cloe oh zhao's country may never know about it. the links they're going to sensor her big news. first, live in russia, a moscow court taking major steps to outlaw the putin critic alexi navalny's political future. you're watching msnbc. l future you're watching msnbc.

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in russia, a new effort under way targeting alexei navalny and his supporters. a moscow court is restricting activities of anti-corruption foundation a day after the top prosecutor ordered an immediate pause in public activity by navalny's offices and political groups. authorities may take even further steps to ban putin's main opposition figure. joining me live, matt bodner. explain what the russian government is doing here. >> reporter: thank you, ayman. i think one way to put it, it is as if department of justice suddenly decided to look for whatever legal tools might be available to silence an american political party or large civil society group. it is even worse than that. what they're actually doing is targeting the legal structures

of the movement, trying to put extremist label, label them as extremist groups, which would allow the authorities to take the gloves off in various efforts to suppress this movement. and this is in court now. we're expecting a decision on it as soon as thursday. may take longer. in a sense, it has already happened, there are already some bans in effect. and navalny's team is treating it as if it already happened. they seem to know there's no way to fight it. so what we're seeing is damage control. they are scrubbing social media feeds, websites of overt links to legal groups that will be labeled extremist. this is all an attempt to protect their people. the staff of the offices around the country. the activists through to organizing, protect them from presumably immediate little problems as soon as the groups are labeled extremist. at the end of the day, what

we're looking at is end of the russian opposition as we know it in its current form. >> to that end, matt, what does it mean for navalny himself, what can you tell us about the state of his health after ending his hunger strike. >> reporter: sure. frankly, it is hard to imagine how his personal situation could get much worse than it is. got a letter from him today about his health, not too much, essentially thank you letter to doctors throughout the process, including prison nurses helping him work out of the hunger strike step by step. sounds like he is getting a few spoonfuls of oatmeal every day. now one of the best case scenarios for him is he emerges from prison, two-and-a-half years, healthy, but finds that everything he built in the past decade has been decimated. >> matt, thank you as always. while history was made at the academy awards with chloe zhao, the first chinese woman

and second woman to win oscar for best director, you would hardly know in her home country of china. the government censoring mentions of her name and movie "nomadland." >> reporter: ayman, the chinese government scrubbed the internet here of any mention of chloe zhao's oscar win, acceptance speech, even reference to classical chinese text that all people at birth are inherently good. online searches of the beijing director's win show no results. news articles, hash tags, videos have been taken down. official press coverage is minimal, unusual given their penchant for highlighting achievements of the chinese. a communist party paper hinted at the problem, saying it hopes zhao can become, quote, more mature. she's a lightning rod of

criticism after social media users found a 2013 interview where she suggested china is a country with, quote, lies everywhere. her fans are trying to work around the sensors, posting praise, using the initials of nomadland or her own initials. it was scheduled to screen in theaters as of last friday, but release has been suspended indefinitely. >> thank you. joining me, film industry reporter eric schwartzel. good to have you with us. the chinese government engages in lots of sensorship. how is this example given the historic nature of the victory. can we expect blow back from china? >> the oscars loomed large for china as they develop their own

entertainment industry, there are numerous examples of political leaders and executives to have china on the stage. what the response to chloe zhao tells us is any prestige or glitz an oscar can afford will always take a back seat to the political narrative the party wants to put forward. i think what we are seeing is one of the extreme example of a dynamic hollywood had to wrestle with for the past two decades, to maintain access to the chinese box office market which is more important than ever, you have to play by the communist party rules. >> to that point, playing by the party rules, what does this mean for zhao's future? what will they snub from as you mention the world's largest box office hub mean for her next big project? >> this is the looming question really. even though it was scheduled for release in china, no one was counting on it becoming a big hit. however, her next movie is "the

eternals", a marvel massive big budget spectacle. those movies aren't green lit by studio executives without counting on box office returns from china. the big question will be will she be deemed radioactive later this year when that movie is scheduled for release, and can the studio, disney, navigate politics and still get it into theaters. >> we learned that lesson with the nba earlier this year as well. thank you as always. appreciate your insights. coming up, a lawyer for a capitol rioter, accused of putting his feet on the desk in nancy pelosi's office said he didn't call the speaker the b word because he spelled it wrong. we have the latest from court. you're watching msnbc. m court. you're watching msnbc.

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scott mcfar land, covering a lot of cases for us. walk us through what happened in court. >> reporter: good afternoon. a busy day in court. richard barnett, prosecutors indicated they have begun plea negotiation discussions with barnett, the man from arkansas. no formal plea agreement, but it would be the second agreement reached in 400 or so capitol riot cases. barnett is meantime trying to argue for his release from jail, pending the next hearing, arguing the stun gun he is accused of having was inoperative. and the vulgar note he allegedly left in nancy pelosi's office wasn't vulgar. he called her a b-i-a-t-d. not the other word that runs counter to what you saw at the capitol january 6th. >> scott, there's a common theme

coming from defense attorneys in many of these cases. actually, we have the sound bite. sorry. there was confusion. we have that sound bite. let's play it. >> i left her [ bleep ] ain't wh it. it says nancy big o was here, you [ bleep ]. >> you can see the back and forth. he's accused of calling her a five-her word. in the note it's different. >> what are the a. they're making in their defense? are they making a defense at all? >> they're making several different arguments, ayman, one of the ones that's been increasingly consistent, many are claiming financial test tugs. that includes one of the two men accused in the attack against officer brian sicknick, his name is julian cater. he told the judge thus hi attorneys, he's had trouble and

will likely continue to have trouble finding a job due to the fact he's charged with this crime. they have not yet had a decision on the case. one of the things that came up. julian khater said there was no evidence he used bear spray that day. the prosecutors said he shouldn't have bear spray in the first place. in the prosecutor's words, quote, it's an uncontested fact there are no bears in downtown d.c. the judge says he wants more time to decide in julian khater should be released by the 6th. apology foss that technical glitch on our part. with the january 6th insurrection underscoring the threat of domestic terrorism, homeland security secretary mayorkas announced an internal review within the department, the review will attempt to assess if extremist ideology has

taken root in its various agencies. joining me now julia ainsley. what more do we know about this review, what led to it, and where does it go from here? >> well, it's part of a big review dhs is doing in the wake of january 6th to look at domestic extremism, everything from how do they pull information off the social meetsia to how they work with other agencies to identify threats to local law enforcement like in the case of january 6th, would have been the capitol police. this was really different. they're looking internally. they're looking at the federal government to see if they are extremists within the ranks of dhs, or other federal law enforcement agencies that may be sympathetic to those views, and it's something that mayorkas was asked about today on a press call with reporters where they said do you have reason to believe you do have people like that? your agency? he just said that he thought it

was the responsibility of good government to at least examine their ranks, but i think it's definitely something that caught my eye. i think it's also worth noticing and worth noting. as we have seen in the past, there have been at least in cases with customs and border protection, people who are very not on the level of conspiracy theorists, at least very outwardly public about their political views, their support for the former president trump, and dislike for some of the policies of the currents administration. whether or not they would go forward and actually commit some act of violence is a different thing and something that will have to be examined, but i think this is making it relevant and striking home. >> julia, looking ahead, what could the consequences be of a review like this? is the expectation that individuals would be identified and fired, or is it a broader reassessment of department and culture?

>> well, i think it's all of the above. definitely looking at department and culture, but if you think about it, the bar for criminally prosecuting someone like we're seeing in court today, that's high. you have to show that someone is actually carried out an act, but for losing your job, the bar is lower, so they could look at how some of their employees are posting on social media, things that they are spreading in messages, especially if they're doing it on a government phone or e-mail. they could look at some of these things and really examine to see if some people are propagating theories that could lead to violence, whether or not they have actually committed that violence themselves. so it's definitely a lower bar, and it could end up with some people losing their jobs. i will say we could probably expect those people not to be named and shaismd, but to say handled in more of an internal way. it may be hard for us to know how many people they find by the end of this. interesting. let me ask you another question,

earlier did the hs essentially directed i.c.e. and cbp to place new limits on civil enforcement in or near courthouses. walk us through that. what led to that decision? why that is an important decision? >> well, they're trying to turn back the policy that is we saw under the trump administration where there was an increase in arrests at courthouses. what that meant is people were being arrested for civil immigration violations, not leaving when they had an order of deportation, not necessarily someone who posed a threat to national security or anyone's life, but someone simply violating the immigration laws. they were being arrested if they were near a courthouse, so it made people less likely to come to immigration hearings, because they were worried -- they saw the chances of being arrested and being deported higher than actually having a fair chance to go before an immigration judge

and present their case for asylum. it also kept them from being witnesses. they were finding that people did not want to go to court, did not want to testify because they were worried they would be met by i.c.e., arrested and deported. they're only to arrest in extreme cases would there's a national security or safety threat. julia ainsley, thanks for that. that wraps up this hour for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern from capitol hill ahead of that jointed to congress. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right after this quick break.

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you know we'll stop at nothing. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. the biden administration today loosening the mask recommendations for vaccinated americans. now fully vaccinated people no longer need to wear masks outdoors unless they're in large crowds, like at a concert or stadium. the news has two important benefits. one, holding firm on the administration's commitment, and here's president joe biden just a few hours ago. >> starting today, if you're fully vaccinated and you're outdoors, you need -- and not in a big crowd -- you no longer need to wear a