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dignitaries will be in the room compared to the normal 1600 that would be in the room. south carolina tim scott will then give the republican response. we will witness an historic moment tonight which my colleague ari melber spoke about with white house press secretary jen psaki. >> both those seats behind the president in line of succession filled by women. >> it's about freaking time, isn't it? >> awaiting a statement from former president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani on the breaking news that federal authorities raiding his new york apartment and office and seizing his electronic devices in a dramatic escalation of their investigations. this, as "the new york times" is reporting that fbi agents also executed a morning search warrant at the washington area home of victoria tunsing, a lawyer close to giuliani, who had dealings with several ukrainians involved in the

effort to find damaging information about the bidens, according to people with knowledge of that search. we start with the historic event ahead of us tonight. joining us now, mike memoli covering the white house, nbc news correspondent leigh ann caldwell, covering capitol hill, and michael beschloss. from his relief package to his infrastructure package to new plan on child care, does president biden acknowledge how ambitious this proposal is? and what is he doing to get them actually passed into law? >> well, ayman, for starters, probably no president has gone to the house chamber where president biden will be tonight with as much experience as an audience in the chamber for state of the union addresses, presidential addresses to a joint session as joe biden.

30 years member of the senate and eight years had that back row seat behind president obama when he spoke to congress. he's very well aware of the stakes and opportunities in this speech tonight. it will be something of a victory lap. he will tout the benefits americans have been enjoying from that $1.9 trillion american rescue plan, success at getting vaccinations out, shots in arms as the white house puts it. he will be looking at this as a pivot point to sell those, yes, ambitious and progressive proposals he's now laying out. as one white house official put it to me, he will acknowledge these are bold but, yes, costly proposals. the argument he will be making is that the united states can't afford not to make these kind of investments in our future. and very interesting conversation that the president had earlier today, as part of the traditional luncheon with network anchors. he talked about this battle of autocracies versus democracies that will shape the 21st

century. he wants to make the case that we need to come together to do yes, expensive at times, proposals but investments this country needs in order to confound those like xi jinping of china that dem wants to demonstrate only autocracies and not democracies can make these big, bold changes. >> mike memoli, he has the experience of sitting in congress during this kind of joint session. >> only thing of this magnitude would be 1933 when franklin delano roosevelt came into office passing those new deal programs and ways of getting people jobs, trying to save their houses and keep the banks open. but the spending was not of this level, even allowing for the dollars of our time. you have to go back to 1965 when

lyndon johnson came in, after being elected in 1964. big presidential land slide, overwhelming democratic majorities in the house and senate. and he said i want a war on poverty. i want to give aid to education. i want to pass medicare. i want to do all these things that not only will help the economy and help suffering people, but also will change and improve the political and economic system so that this kind of thing will never happen again. >> leigh ann, as we mentioned, joe biden has attended dozens of joint sessions of congress as a senator and as a vice president. he will be the first president to speak to that body after an insurrection, at least certainly in the modern era. how different will the house chamber look when he walks in as a president tonight, also in the middle of a raging pandemic? >> reporter: yeah. there's going to be a lot of differences tonight, ayman.

for one, there are two women who will sit behind him. it was 14 years ago when then president bush said he was the first president ever to open his speech by saying madam speaker. so now that is going to be a significant change. there's also just going to be a fraction of people in that chamber. a total of 200. usually, that chamber could fit 1600. so the mood and the feel is going to be completely different, and perhaps a much more difficult speech for president biden to give, because he will not have the energy of the room. there's going to be a number of tickets for lawmakers is going to be divided among republicans and democrats in the senate and the house. we're told a lot of freshmen are going to go, because they have never been to one of these joint addresses, even though it is different. and i do want to make the point even though this is past post-insurrection, we are told by congress i don't knowal leaders the reason there's going

to be so foo people in that room is bass of covid, because of the pandemic. ayman? >> michael beschloss, another trip down memory lane, joe biden's first joint session was when richard nixon was president. the the office has undeniably changed since then. how have you seen it change? how has the office changed from richard nixon's time in office to what we see today? >> well, more powerful, because the presidency keeps getting more powerful all the time. but one thing that's very parallel to the time that joe biden came into the senate in january of 1973, after that tragic car accident that took his first wife and his daughter, he came in. richard nixon was beginning his second term right after the watergate scandal had begun. so, joe biden was part of a senate that year that was trying to restrain a lawless, reckless, power-seeking president. and joe biden is coming in after donald trump, trying to do the same thing about the forces that

allowed donald trump to be as impactful as he was. >> leigh ann, do we have any new reporting on senator tim scott's republican response to the president's speech tonight? >> reporter: senator scott is keeping a lot of his speech under wraps. if you listen to what republicans are saying leading into this speech, they're criticizing biden as a unifier, saying he has done anything but unify the country in the first 100 days by what they say passing liberal legislation and liberal agenda items and scott's colleagues are calling him someone who is so good at unifying the country. so, reading the tea leaves, we should expect senator scott to talk about bringing the country together, something that republicans say president biden is not doing. ayman? >> mike memoli, i know the president has spoken quite frequently in his first 100 days, certainly addressed the nation many times before. is there anything in the president's speech tonight that perhaps is going to surprise us

and even surprise you, somebody who covers this white house daily? >> reporter: well, ayman, we've had one big surprise today, and that's the news in new york with rudy giuliani that you'll be getting to shortly. in a joint session of speech, white houses like to have something up their sleeve that is unexpected. we're on the lookout for that. president biden, joe biden during the campaign liked to sell the voters was this idea of predictability. the thing i'll be listening to most closely is how much is he going to be reaching out to republicans? he has campaigned so much on this idea of unifying the country, of lowering the temperature. he has govened so far based on with that rescue plan only democratic votes. he says he wants republican support. just how is he going to make the case to republicans tonight? as he said in that luvenlgion today with network anchors, we need a republican party. we need something in terms of an opposition party, whatever you call it, that isn't fearful of each other. clearly, he feels the need to empower republicans to come

forward with good faith negotiations. >> michael beschloss, we understand the president goes to georgia tomorrow. one of his stop will be a visit to former president jimmy carter, that club of former presidents an exclusive club. i know this president, joe biden, spoke to president obama, former president obama and former president bush when he was make an important decision about withdrawing from afghanistan. >> right. that's the way it's supposed to be, as you know, ayman. the presidents club usually prevails. usually presidents ask their predecessors for advice, keep in close touch when they get sick, they're in touch with them as well. that's why the last four years were so strange when you had an incumbent president who had zero relationship with any former president that meant anything. now joe biden is bringing us back to the way it usually is. but, you know, you were talking about that, i was remembering that lyndon johnson went to see ex-president truman out in

missouri, and truman was very sensitive to being treated like a president even though he was out of office. johnson, as usual, got there late and he said mr. president, i'm sorry i got here late and truman said, if you wanted to be here on time, you would have been here on time. so that's the kind of things that presidents sometimes encounter. >> interesting dynamic there before former presidents. mike memoli, michael beschloss, leigh ann caldwell, thank you so much. we are following breaking news out of new york. fbi executed search warrants for the office and apartment of rudy giuliani, former president trump's lawyer and former new york city mayor. giuliani is expected to be making a statement this hour. it is a major step into the investigation into giuliani's dealings with ukraine. we are awaiting a possible statement, as i mentioned, from giuliani within this hour. we'll bring that to you as soon as we hear it.

now nbc news' ron allen joins us from new york city, outside of giuliani's apartment, as well as two pulitzer prize winning reporters, who have broken multiple stories about giuliani. msnbc contributor katie benner and justice department reporter for "the washington post." ron, let me begin with you on the ground there. what do we know about today's searches? >> reporter: ayman, we're still here out the apartment because there's a possibility that giuliani is still inside. we know he was here early this morning. some reports say as early as 6:00 this morning when the agents arrived to serve the search warrant. the whole process, we understand, took about 45 minutes and giuliani handed over a laptop, cell phone and an ipad. he was asked for all of his electronic devices. the commotion that you hear in the background is the nypd. they're trying to bring some order here. there are a lot of people here on the sidewalk out in front of

the apartment, trying to get a glimpse of what's going on. a lot of people know that giuliani lives here in the neighborhood. most people we've talked to say they haven't seen him much. one person said they think they've seen him a couple of weeks ago, but he has kept a low profile here. he and president trump are not very popular these days in new york city. it's a long time since giuliani was america's mayor and all of that, following the attacks of september 11th. now he is not popular. most people who we talked to had no idea this was coming, obviously, and were surprised by the activity here and the serving of the search warrant, and most people were glad to see the investigation of him and presumably president trump as well moving forward. so, that's where we are now. again, waiting to see if giuliani is here, if he comes out. again, he is supposed to be making a comment about all of this on a radio program right about now. ayman? >> ron, to that point, we should notify our viewers that the initial information that we had about him making that statement was based on a tweet from rudy

giuliani's verified account. that tweet has since now been deleted but we'll continue to monitor wabc radio to see if he does, in fact, appear within this hour. katie, nbc news is reporting that prosecutors had what they needed to serve a seven warrant late last year but the justice department possibly waiting for a change in administration to proceed. did that hurt the investigation, that delay? >> reporter: i don't know that the delay hurt the investigation but it kept the investigation out of public view during the election season and then afterwards when rudy giuliani was one of former president trump's lawyers fighting the outcome of the election, making false claims that the election had actually been won by trump. also we know that the delay in the investigation puts the continuing investigation under a new attorney general, who is not, for any reason, decided to push back on it. and it also brings the investigation and brings donald trump back into the spotlight

because again it stems from efforts by rudy giuliani on behalf of president trump to sign information to discredit joe biden and his son, hunter biden, in the hopes that it would hurt his ability to win in 2020. >> devlin, give us more of the two-year background into this investigation. i know that say lot of ground to cover, but what does this seizure of electronic devices actually mean? >> reporter: it means an important new step in what has been a long, complicated and, frankly, often confusing saga of rudy giuliani trying to inject allegations of ukrainian corruption into american politics. and in the course of trying to do that, being accused himself of essentially acting inappropriately in trying to, you know, curry favor with foreign officials. there's the foreign agent registration act, the essential law at play here, and the question investigators are trying to answer, and what these phones and laptops and ipads may

tell them, is whether or not rudy giuliani was acting on behalf of foreign politicians or foreign officials in some of his activities in 2019 and 2020 when he was trying to put out what he called damaging information about the bidens. >> katie, "the times" is also reporting that victoria tensing, a lawyer close to giuliani, also had a search warrant executed at her home. what can you tell us about that? can you connect the dots for us on those two fronts? >> absolutely. victoria tensing was a lawyer for a ukrainian oligarch, who was indicted by the justice department on bribery charges and violating foreign act. hoping she could help sway the justice department to take a second look at -- she was lobbying on his behalf. and one thing that the justice

department will be looking at is whether or not rudy giuliani in that work, again, was violating the law. it is against the law in the united states to be working on behalf of foreign government, foreign officials and deal with u.s. officials or media to spread information on behalf of a foreign power without disclosing that. it indicates that investigators are also widening their scope to look at the indictment. between victoria toensing, giuliani and department of justice officials. >> dechlt v lichlt n, what more could prosecutors stumble upon about giuliani's foreign business deals while he served as the president's lawyer? >> reporter: remember, this investigation started pretty broadly with some associates who had other business deals with giuliani. those associates were charged with campaign finance fraud. this started in a very broad, kitchen sink type manner, this

investigation. and i think what's happening is that it's actually in that time, even though a lot of time has passed, it's actually become more focused. and i think you see them focus more and more on the ukraine interaction. and so i think while there are questions about campaign finance, about civil fraud or financial crimes, what we've really got at the core here after all this time is a foreign influence investigation. >> katie, i know that you broke this story about giuliani trying to oust the acting attorney general during the transition. how does that tie into what we saw play out today, if at all? >> we see how influential rudy giuliani became not just through the trump presidency but at the very end when the former president was desperate to show that he, in fact, won the election, which we know is not true. he was reliant on rudy giuliani for a lot of things.

one interesting thing to watch is how republicans respond to the latest step in the investigation of giuliani and how they respond to giuliani in particular if charges do come. charges may never come but thud that happen, it will be interesting to see if it impacts the way republican feel about trump and the trump orbit. the former president is still a popular figure amongst republicans and a powerful person in the party. he intends to be moving forward. it will be interesting to see whether this sort of investigation impacts his ability to have that kind of clout. >> ron, finally being before i let you go, have we gotten any updates? do we know whether or not rudy giuliani has begun speaking? >> reporter: no, we're not hearing anything on the radio program. and the tweet that some of that reporting is based upon has since been deleted, ind. we're trying to figure out what's going on with all of that. we've reached ut to his attorney and have not heard back from rudy giuliani's attorney either. we're out in front of his

apartment because there's the possibility that he is still here. he, at times, is not camera shy, as we know, and he may want to come out at some point and say something. again, everybody here is waiting to hear what he has to say. there's a lot of neighbors gathered. it's become quite an event out here. we wait to see what we hear, if anything. ayman? >> we'll be tracking that story both in new york and here in the district as well. ron allen, devlin barrett, katie benner, thanks to all of you. the task of foreign policy and foreign diplomacy after former president trump spent four years unraveling. congressman tom melinowski joins me next to weigh in on how the president is doing so far. >> and one way to gettion people vaccinated against covid? how about cold, hard cash. later in the hour, i'll be joined by a governor doing just that. we'll hear how it's going. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. this couple was on a camping trip... ...when their windshield got a chip.

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president biden is expected to address russia and china after placing new sanctions on russia, directly blaming them for the massive solar winds hack, and beginning a policy pivot toward china's dominance in asia with a consequential and controversy decision to remove troops from afghanistan before the 20th anniversary of the september 11th attacks. joining me now is tom melinowski, who served as assistant secretary of state for human rights and labor in the obama administration. thank you so much for your time. contrast this for us a little bit. has the biden administration made the right moves, in your opinion, in resetting the united states foreign policy from the decisions made under donald trump? >> my goodness, yes. and not just in my view, but i think in the view of millions of people around the world and our allies. it is so refreshing after those

four years that i want to forget, to have a president who is not in love with the north korean dictator, doesn't seem to have a desperate desire to be liked by vladimir putin, a president who is rebuilding our alliances with democracies and our national competitiveness at home to meet the threat of a rising china. and someone who is just competent and not crazy. we don't have to worry every single day about what joe biden might do to throw the world into turmoil. >> one of the areas, though, that president biden is advancing that was also advocated by president trump was afghanistan. u.s. troops began leaving afghanistan on saturday. you have been critical of this decision, saying secretary of state antony blinken's suggestion of moderating the taliban with recognition and aid is a story we tell ourselves to feel better about leaving. do you feel any better about this decision than you did two weeks ago? >> well, so overall, i think

president biden has made all the right calls. this is one where i did disagree with him. i understand why, after 20 years, both he and so many americans would say it's enough. the status quo in afghanistan is about corruption, there's chronic violence. i just worry that the situation after we leave will be far worse. there have been, actually, remarkable gains in afghanistan despite problems over the last 20 years. millions of afghans enjoying freedoms they never before enjoyed. we have a countertism partner in the fight against al qaeda and isis. i don't want to lose that. the decision has been made. this is what we're going to do. i'm focused with the administration on how this turns out better not worse for us and for our many friends in afghanistan. >> speaking of our friends in afghanistan, do you believe the united states has an adequate

and acceptable plan for protecting afghans who, for the past 20 years, have been working alongside with the americans? >> we're going to have to develop one. there are thousands of afghans, as you mentioned, who risked their lives to work alongside our troops and our diplomats. we have a moral obligation to them. we have a self interest in making clear to others who might work with us elsewhere in the future that we're not going to leave them behind. there are also other many afghans, civil rights leaders, women's activists, teachers, who bet on their freedoms with the alliance of the united states. i fear if and when the taliban gains greater power in the country, they are going to be targeted. in fact, the taliban today is waging a campaign of assassination against these folks all over the country. so, we're going to have to develop new mechanisms to enable these people to leave and should they become in danger, to come

to the united states. it's easier said than done. as you may know, the wait to get refugee status to come to the united states can be years. and these folks don't have years. so, i've been speaking to the state department about how we can make that system work better for afghans in the coming months. >> congressman, let me ask you about the building behind me. the president's speech is also expected to talk about the storming of the capitol. you are sponsoring legislation, i understand, to remove part of section 230, that is protection in hopes social media companies will stop promoting extremist groups. explain to us the argument you're making with this legislation. >> the riot on january 6th would not have happened, thousands of ordinary americans would not have believed that assaulting the capitol was a normal thing to do if not for the fact that we get most of our news through social media today. most of our information.

and social media platforms are literally designed to create a kind of individually tailored version of reality for every single american. and, in fact, everybody on the planet. so if your tendency is more conservative, you're going to get more and more and more content that pushes you further to the right. if you're more liberal, you're going to get more and more and more content that pushes you toward the left. if you're susceptible to conspiracy theories, you're dwth get a lot of qanon. that is a designed feature of facebook. that's the problem. we're trying to solve it by saying that these large, social media platforms shouldn't have absolute protection from legal liability if they are amplifying, promoting content through their algorithms that leads to an act of terrorism or an assault on or values, leak what we saw you on january 6th, because we want to incentivize them to change basically how

they design facebook, how they design uh-uhtube. and right now that the profit mode of this is too grave an incentive to keep doing what they're doing. >> are you getting bipartisan support on that? >> so it's interesting. there's a lot of partisanship around social media, right? a lot of conservatives and republicans think that when facebook or twitter bans donald trump, they're censoring conservatives. >> yeah. >> so there's a lot of polarization. but actually my bill, i think, is more appealing to people on both sides of the aisle because let's say you're somebody on the right and you believe that antifa is the biggest threat to america. >> yeah. >> i think you're wrong, but you should still love my bill because what we're going after again is the design feature of social media that pushes everybody, whether we're on the left or the right, to a respect of extremes.

>> yeah. >> so if you believe we need more sanity and moderation in america, as my more reasonable republican colleagues do, then this is, i think, an approach that has a lot of appeal. we got more co-sponsors than any other social media reform bill in the congress, so i expect this to go somewhere this year. >> all right. congressman tom malinowski, thank you for your time. appreciate it. breaking news. nbc news has confirmed with a source familiar with the matter that the fbi did, indeed, execute a search warrant at the residence of victoria toensing. no additional warrants are being executed in connection with this matter today, we are being told. with the clock ticking, where does president biden stand when it comes to delving -- delivering, consume, on his pledge to rae open schools in the first 100 days? after the break we'll hear from education secretary miguel cardona. you're watching msnbc live from

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today, education secretary miguel cardona toured a school in virginia. back in december then president-elect biden set this week as a deadline to get students back in schools. watch. >> my team will work to see that the majority of schools can open by the end of my first 100 days. that's right. we'll look to have the most schools open that we can possibly in 100 days. >> joining me now from alexandria, virginia, heidi pryzbyla. you spoke with education secretary cardonaduring his visit. what did you learn about their efforts to get these schools up and running by the end of

tomorrow? >> reporter: ayman, the secretary is coming to schools like the ferdinand day school to highlight success stories of schools that have opened but he heard a lot of frank talk from local community leaders here, ayman, about the significant challenges ahead. reopening schools is not just about access. it's not just about the physical buildings. it's also about hesitancy, particularly in communities like this, where there are a lot of students who speak english as a second language. they may live in multi-generational housing where members of the family are very, very worried about covid. they may live with undocumented members and also, ayman, there is the shame of a lot of these students who just fell so far behind during this pandemic. bottom line is, according to the secretary, we're just not there yet. take a listen. >> we are using data from february. we're going to get data next week, updata data. even the data from february shows over 80% of our schools are giving students an opportunity for in-person learning. half are giving full-day, every

day k-8 schools. that's in february before the vaccinations. so, that's good news. but i expect more. i want more. i want to give every student across the country an opportunity to learn in person before the end of the school year. and there are many states right now that are offering 100% of their students an in-person learning option. it's also about those students who are learning remotely. helping their families feel comfortable sending their students back, that will be part of our goal as well. >> reporter: so, ayman, many school administrators have been clamoring for more guidance from the federal government. not just on the safety protocols of reopening, but on closing that significant learning gap. and the secretary did tell nbc exclusively today that he is going to aim within the next few months to come together with some kind of a big best practices manual, given that we just never have been through that, at least those of us right now, we were never alive during the last pandemic. nobody who is managing this

today has that kind of institutional expertise, ayman. >> heidi, the secretary also talked about the administration's goal of giving more money to address infrastructure at schools, a critical component in combating the pandemic and getting them back up and running safely. what did he have to say about that? >> reporter: ayman, this has been a problem long before covid. that's just the dilapidated nature of our schools. even here in alexandria, we heard from school administrators that has a thank you to president roosevelt for constructing it on the side. they are so old, they are suffering from ventilation problems, and the secretary also spoke to us a little bit about that and what the goals are. take a listen. >> we have a president whonds the importance of education, who understands education is the foundation for this country's growth. there are investments there in not only reopening, but making sure our schools are safe. the facilities issues i've seen on this tour are shocking. there's some places where the

ventilation system is really bad, hasn't been looked at in years. >> reporter: and those ventilation systems, ayman, are a major, persistent concern. and the concern now that the secretary told me is that some schools are not getting the message about which devices to buy to purify the air and which devices are gimmicks or could potentially be harmful to students. and so he is working with the cdc director, he tells us, to come up with more specific directions on that. >> joining us now for more perspective is dr. blackstock, msnbc contributor and founder and ceo of advancing health equity. good to have you with us. what's your reaction to what we just heard there from the secretary? >> you know, i think the infrastructure piece is incredibly important. we need to make sure that the schools are safe for our children to come back to, and families need to feel --

[ poor audio ] being in school. messaging is important as well. departments of education need to explain how they're going to bring children back safely to schools. so the infrastructure piece and messaging piece will be key to ensuring that all students and teachers feel safe coming back to school in-person in the fall. >> dr. blackstock, we've spoken a lot over the course of the year on this pandemic. i know not only are you a doctor, but you're also a parent. what is your own experience been like, bringing your own children back to school? >> right. and i'm also someone very concerned about equity, educational equity as well as health equity. and i made very difficult decisions in bringing my own children back to school. they've been back five days in person since september. it's a public school here in new york city. our leadership explained to us we had virtual town halls and

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d.c., double-checking i.d.s, checking laptops, backpacks just to get on the plane, beyond the normal security check once you enter the airport. what's the prospective like around the capitol where you are? >> reporter: you're right. the exact same procedure was set up when i was on a plane from arizona to washington, d.c. yesterday, ayman. you see that inner layer of fencing that remains here. secretary mayorkas, secretary of homeland security, that designation puts the u.s. secret service in charge of coordinating with the local law enforcement, d.c. police and federal law enforcement and the capitol police department. that designation was not made on january 6th. roads are starting to be closed here around the greater capitol complex. and tonight you will see the newly sworn in house sergeant in arms, major general william walker sworn in just yesterday by speaker pelosi. he is in charge of the chamber security. we are expecting just about 200

individuals inside the chamber tonight. that number is usually around 1600 on the night of a normal state of the union address there, but the only individuals that will be allowed inside the capitol tonight are credentialed folks. not even all members of congress have those credentials, not all members of the press or capitol staff. this is significant. and last note, the national guard is also going to be sending in a team of about 20 yard who are part of what they call a weapons of mass destruction team in case of an either bomb threat or hazardous chemical threat. they are ready here on sight in case any of those arise. ayman? >> vaughn hillyard, live outside the capitol. thank you, my friend. >> president biden has nominate ed sheriff ed gonzalez to lead immigration and customs enforcement, the announcement coming as they continue to tackle surge of migrants at the border. only 33% of americans approve of president biden's handling of

border security and immigration. 59% disapprove. senior national correspondent chris jansing sat down with a group of democratic and republican voters who took part in that poll to get their thoughts on the border challenge. chris joins me now from dallas, texas. good to have you with us. so, what did you find most surprising in your conversation with these voters? >> reporter: you know, this is an issue, comprehensive immigration reform, that has plagueed president after president after president. and what stunned me, frankly, is their willingness to compromise, unlike the folks in the building behind you. in fact, a very conservative republican voter told me that even though she doesn't like joe biden at all, if he can bring the two sides together and get some level of immigration reform, she would support him. take a listen. >> if he could truly do real immigration reform, he could probably win me. >> immigration reform needs to

happen. we need a system. >> everyone says that, but when it comes to compromise, nobody wants to do it. >> that's because we have locked-down politicians who don't want to change their minds on anything and keep doing the same old thing. >> no one person can do it, just like joe biden cannot do it either. >> at least joe biden is being proactive on the issue, and we need to get to the source. why are so many immigrants coming here. >> these are desperate, desperate people. and we've got to be humane about it. >> that is exactly why we need reform. first of all, we have to make it to where it doesn't take eight years or ten years to get a green card, for goodness sakes. >> and you're conservative? >> i'm very conservative, but we should let people in. and that's what america is. america is a better place for anybody that wants to better their life. >> reporter: they all agree, this is the land of opportunity. and whether they think it's for moral reasons, historic reasons

or business reasons, they want something done. but you showed that poll at the beginning. only 33% right now support the way the president is handling immigration reform. so tonight, he has a pretty high hill to climb. ayman? >> very impressive commentary from those folks. chris jansing, thank you for bringing us that interview. giving all residents, ages 16 to 35 a $100 savings bond for getting vaccinated. west virginia governor jim justice joins me next about that program. you're watching msnbc live from capitol hill. re watching msnbc capitol hill (vo) ideas exist inside you, electrify you. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible. ideas start the future, just like that.

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up and been vaccinated and every single one of our young people we're going to give $100 savings bond to every single one that steps up and takes their vaccines. >> governor jim justice republican of west virginia joins me now. thank you so much for your time. what is the initial response so far? are you seeing an uptick in younger people getting vaccinated? >> we are in our infancy right now and everything but we are absolutely -- the phones are surely ringing and absolutely going to see a bunch of our young people step up. always in life the easiest stuff is the toughest stuff to find and really right now, right now more than anything if we can get our young people to step up like our 65 and older people have stepped up we'll stop this thing in west virginia. we have led the way all through

the whole thing and i'm not just touting my horn or west virginia's horn but we have. whether it be our nursing homes or done the vaccinations and everything, we have led the way all the way through it but now we have to get across the steepest mountain and that's near the top and if we can get the young people to continue to vaccinate the elderly we'll continue to do all that but we can shut this thing down in west virginia and we are really close. >> no doubt west virginia has been a model for so many states and early on in the pandemic but talk about the estimated cost. do you have an idea based on the population of 16 to 35-year-olds and what do you say to critics that say it could be too expensive? >> they don't have a clue if they say that. in the state of west virginia in the last two months we spent between $19 million and $22

million on testing. just testing alone. this whole thing we have got 380,000 16 to 35-year-olds in we have -- west virginia. the entire program will cost about $27 million if we're marv vously successful and if we do that you think we can shut this thing down. our testing needs would drop out of the sky. we would save hospitalizations and so many different lives and everything. this is the thing to do. in west virginia one thing we have done is pivoted and we have made decisions and we have moved. this is not the silver bullet but a step along the way do get us there. >> i know that there was a marketing expert in "the washington post" quoted saying while money is good if quote the main barrier is mistrust

monetary incentive is not necessarily the solution. what do you think of that with high profile radio and podcast hosts telling young people don't get vaccinated? >> well, it is a shame. every day i sit here and i read, every other day i read all the people we have lost in west virginia and that number is enormous even though it's incredibly small for what it could have been. 200,000 plus people died in west virginia and i have every one. if that person had to do that he would try to react and do something. you know? this price tag and the other part is tied to a savings bond. we all, all of us, no matter who we are, america is too divided. we shouldn't be about democrat and republican and independent first but foremost about

americans antied it to a savings bond because we can use patriotism and trying to reach out to the grandparents and parents to motivate the kids that might not have an idea what a savings bond is. >> let me ask you quickly. we have about 15 seconds. speaking of price tags in february you urged congress to go big or go home. your senator joe manchin told our reporter the mounting costs makes him very uncomfortable. you want to find out how we'll pay for it. what do you think about his position about the $6 million sought to be spent? >> real simple, just this? go big or go home meant just one thing. that doesn't mean throw money away on nothing. that done mean pet projects or bailing out pension plans. absolutely though as a business guy, if we can push this thing over the top of the mountain, we have to revisit and revisit, we

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