god forbid ever happened would do that with great sensitivity and great dignity. >> a generation of space geeks joins members of the collins family in mourning the loss of michael collins at the great age of 90 years old. our thanks to our friend friend michael beshear loss as always. that's going to do it for this wednesday night special speech edition of our broadcast. our special live coverage of the presidents joint address to congress continues live with chris hayes right after this. is >> good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. it is midnight on the east coast, 9 pm out west. on the eve of the 100th day of his administration, just a few hours ago, president joe biden gave his very first join address to congress. speech coming in just hours after news broke that federal

investigators raided the home and office of the former presidents lawyer, rudy giuliani. as part of an ongoing investigation into giuliani's dealing with ukraine. you may remember that giuliani set himself the task of digging up dirt on the bidens in ukraine. part of his effort to keep joe biden away from that podium tonight. he did not succeed. we'll have much more on that story ahead with one of the former presidents impeachment managers. but first, it was a historic night. two women seated behind the president for the very first time in a joint address to congress. one of those being a woman of color, vice president kamala harris. the address was also unlike any other dream to the ongoing pandemic. you can see it there in the shot. just 200 members of congress and officials attending. whether usually 1600. they were seated apart from each other for social distancing purposes. but much else about tonight was familiar to joe biden, who of course attended dozens of these

addresses during his 36 years in the u.s. senate. twice delivered the democratic response to ronald reagan speeches. here he is. as vice president, biden also sat barack obama ten times as he delivered addresses to a joint session of congress. tonight, it was finally joseph r. biden's turn to deliver his own. one of the moments from tonight getting the most attention online right now is texas senator ted cruz. because watching a grown man's falling asleep in asleep before 10 pm is both confusing -- and i have to say somewhat -- to couched ads everywhere. cruz lifted -- hashtag boring but radical. now i would not really agree with either of those storms. boring or radical. but i will say this, cruz is getting at something real here. because joe biden has been in office for so long, i'm partly

frankly because of his race and gender. in fact, he looks almost like all previous american presidents except barack obama. because joe biden has practice in speaking ways non threatening he can lay out this incredibly ambitious agenda. a progressive agenda that would bring america in line with other developed democracies in terms of the capacity and scope of it social safety net. and he can do it in a way that sounded as american as apple pie. >> american jobs plan is going to create millions of good paying jobs. jobs emergency and raise a family. on as my dad would say, with a little breathing room. and all the investments in american jobs will be guided by one principle, by american. by american. yeah [applause] and i might know parenthetically,.

,. american tax dollars are going to be used american products, made in america, to create american jobs. that's the way is supposed to be and will be in this administration. [applause] >> biden laid out a comprehensive vision of american social democracy. things that those on the left have wanted for a very long time, for decades. and he did it in a way, clearly crafted to appeal to the political center of america. or what is left of it. to my mind, it was pretty effective. he also spoke directly with compassion to specific groups of americans. like the transgender children and their families currently facing political attacks. >> i also hope congress can get to my desk in the equality act to protect lgbtq americans. all transgender americans watching at home, especially

young people, so brave. i want you to know your president has your back. >> president has your back. and of course, sending at the site of the insurrection nearly four months later, biden reflected on the darker days of this winter. ending on a hopeful note about unity. >> we've stared into the abyss of insurrection and all top russi. pandemic and pain. and we the people did not flinch. the very moment our and force areas were certain we would pull apart and fail, we came together and reunited. >> senator jeff merkley of oregon was one of the 200 lawmakers in that chamber with president biden tonight and he joins me now. senator, you've been in that chamber for a number of these. what was it like tonight? >> the initial feeling was so different because of this much smaller number of individuals in the chamber. and it meant that the noise,

the applause was very different full. enthusiastic but not the same as what the place is packed, for sure. i must say the contrasts after four years of truck, in which he was inciting hate. and tonight we heard about responding to crisis and seizing opportunity and rebuilding america. and treating people decently. and it was just, to me, this was america. america was on display tonight. america is back. >> the agenda that was laid out, i think is both quite ambitious and we can talk about where the votes are in the senate for that. but also, it felt like in in the main, and agenda that all parts of the democratic caucus can basically get behind. we'll see on the details, particularly with some of your fellow caucus members. how did you feel about it? >> absolutely.

american jobs plan, is rebuilding america. as he put it, it was a blue collar, blueprint for rebuilding our country. we talked about infrastructure, he wasn't just talking about physical infrastructure. he was talking about broadband for rural america. he was talking about rebuilding our energy system, to pave the path for renewable energy and take on climate crisis. he was talking about families. he was talking about things that are so important to people. improving health care, improving education, improving childcare. and noting that what we have just done is lift half of american children out of poverty. but let's make it permanent. let's extend it. and i think that's a vision that families across america have waited to hear for a very long time. and then pivoting and saying hey, we need more justice. that means we need to take on and pass the george floyd criminal justice bill. we need to pass the equality act to end the doors of opportunities been slammed on

lgbtq americans. at that moment, when he spoke out to the transgender community across america, transgender children have the hardest path of any children in america. there is the subject of bullying. they face just tremendous challenges. figuring out life. and here was a president who says, instead of society putting on you, you have a friend. that friend is the president of the united states. and he has your back. and trans children have never heard anything like that in the history of the united states of america. >> we are of course, still in the midst of a pandemic, as you can tell from the distancing that was in that room. but it is also the case, it struck me the street speech was very forward looking. there was not that much about covid. were you surprised by that? >> i felt that the president talked about having driven the

vaccination rate up. but he didn't want to dwell on looking backward. he wanted to look ahead. and i must say, when he started out and saying in 100 days we've gone from here to here. we've taken on this crisis and we have put america back to work. more jobs than the first hundred days of any presidency. we have increased vaccinations. from less than 1 million a day to more than 3 million per day. that he kept it, he kept that reflection brief. and pivoted to the vision of what we can accomplish this year if we come together as americans. if we end this tribal tribal partisanship. i know in the senate this is really what's at stake here. we could have an extraordinary year for america. or we could have mitch mcconnell exercising a veto and blocking everything and keeping us in the dark ages. so, i'm very sensitive to the fact that the vision he laid out tonight -- when he said kept saying congress needs to act.

why he's releasing is the senate has to come through for america. we have to make that happen. >> all right, senator jeff merkley, thank you for staying out with us tonight. we appreciate it. talk to you soon. >> thank you, chris. >> i want to bring in a playoff. campaign manager for the 2008 obama campaign a former white house leader adviser. all four of the citizens sky to beating donald trump. and former democratic congresswoman don edwards. now columnist at the washington post. don, let me start with you because you've got a real hands on experience in some of the divisions there have been within the democratic caucus at various times. any political party is going to have factions within it. it's going to have fights over policy. there's gonna be different geographic interests. the first hundred days it does seem that joe biden, both in rhetoric and substance, has held this caucus together across the border pretty well. how do you think tonight, worked in that respect?

>> i actually think the president did a really good job in laying out a forward looking agenda that speaks to every element of the democratic caucus. i mean, i'm a progressive and i found lots to like in their. but i would imagine that the members who are the more centrist members of the caucus, would find lots to like as well. i think it was a really -- as you described, i ambitious agenda. but it was very carefully laid out. and it really spoke to where we need to move. and the fact that we have come off of this pandemic and our coming out of it. but joe biden tonight, i think laid out a really forward thinking agenda that's going to be embraced by a lot of democrats across the board. and maybe even bring on some republicans. >> david, i want to play a clip that really stood out to me. one of the abiding facts of

american political life at this moment is increasing education polarization. it prevents challenges to both parties. because republicans are losing college educated voters and enormous droves. and it's hurting them in areas they used to win. and democrats are losing folks without a four year college degree, in areas they used to win. and that cuts across racial lines. the gap is there among white voters, black voters, latino voters. this part about a blue collar blueprint seemed targeted at that very intentionally. >> take a listen. >> independent experts estimate the american jobs plan will add millions of jobs and trillions of dollars to economic growth in the years to come. it is a eight-year program. these are good paying jobs that can be outsourced. nearly 90% of the infrastructure jobs created in the american jobs plan do not require a college degree. 75% don't require and socialist

degree american jobs plan is a blue collar, blueprint to build america. >> what did you think of that? >> well, chris know, faculty lunch stop there that. was bull's-eye and it small smart politics. and more importantly his foreign policy. we've. got a challenge whether we have a democracy in a few years. climate change and get it on the other side of the pandemic. but figuring out a way so people who didn't graduate college, didn't go to college are able to earn better income. is the challenge of our time. so i think that's a popular on those matters. offering popular days. and that's on base. and i think there is a lot of issues from police reform and criminal justice reform, to climate change, to health care, there are going to take his attention. but this has to be home base. so what's amazing about the speech is it was incredibly ambitious. but it was plain spoken. it seemed realistic.

and we know most of these ideas are supported not just in the entire democratic spectrum, from left to right and center. but by a lot of republicans. and i can't imagine he exit tonight doing anything other than increasing that sport, not amongst republicans in the chambers, but republicans out in the country. >> yes, there was also, donna another thing that left out to me. i remember barack obama's speeches, particularly during 2009, 2010. and there was also always a bit of shadow boxing with what the critics would say, that was partly a barack obama rhetorical thing he loved to do. his presence in his first memory. but it was also partly you could feel the breathing down the neck of these republican arguments, particularly around 's taxing, spending and the deficit. there was essentially none of that in biden's speech tonight. it was basically like, here's the agenda, i think this would be good, i think you think this would be good. and if there was not any kind of defensive crouch about

deficits, taxing and spending, those sort of things. what do you think about that? those sort of things >> here's why. president biden actually doubt an agenda that the american people are embracing. who's going to argue with the who's gonna fact that argue with the fact that childcare costs are childcare costs are rivaling rivaling college college tuition's tuition's these days? these days. who's gonna argue who's going to argue with the with the fact that we fact that we need to need to create create jobs that jobs that really spanned the really spanned the spectrum, spectrum so so that that americans, and americans and particularly particularly american american women women, can get back can get back to to work work into the workforce again? and into the workforce again. so, i think with i think what the president the president did, did was he said, he said, here here are the things are the things we need that we need to get done. to get done. the and the american people american people have already have already decided decided who should pay who should pay for it. for it so so, president biden president biden didn't needs to talk didn't need to talk about that. >> about that. david, as someone >> as someone who has who has worked with worked with president president obama or biden, of, i wonder course, i if you feel the same wonder if you way? feel the same or if there's something that way shifted in the national if there's something that conversation, i shifted in the think, national between then and now conversation between then and, that allows that to happen? now that allows that to happen

>>. >> well chris, you you're right, are right. time is not time is not static, static and neither is neither is politics. politics. and what what happened happened was was, all the all the electors from the lecturers from republicans were -- republicans during the obama trump takes the years. trump's white house. >> exactly. >> then they run up takes the right house deficits. not to create and trump's jobs, but to crease give tax a deficit. not to get jobs, but credits for the wealthy. to create tax cuts let's not forget all for the wealthy. the proposals, not let's not forget childcare, all the proposals, universal childcare, preschool, universal preschool all, all the blue-collar jobs -- the blue-collar jobs. they are they're popular popular. how biden would pay for them is even more. popular? you've got what people want is popular and how biden is proposing to pay for its popular. and i think you can go a long way with that. >> david bluff, and former congresswoman don edwards, thank you both. lot more to discuss about president biden's first address in congress. but first, gotta discuss the people who try to stop the people who tried to stop him from being in the first place. people like, the guy trying to collect -- disgraced ex lawyer rudy

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president donald trump's donald trump's lawyer rudy giuliani, who's been at the lawyer rudy center of so much giuliani has been sketchy as top of activity, for the lack of a better word. sketchy activity. who was and terms of us far back as trump's 2019 reported be impeachment. under investigation for as his escapades good patience -- on behalf of trump, in that rudy, ukraine on the health of trump. well that now would rudy had a really rough be a really rough day today. day today. because at 6 am this it's 6 am this morning, his home and morning, and his home in office were raided by office were raided by the fbi as part of the fbi as part of an investigation an investigation into whether he into whether he broke foreign broke foreign lobbying laws. lobbying fbi laws the fbi seized the cell seized his cellphones, computer's. phone, new york times computers, new york times quote one of the

warns from quotes mr. giuliani's one of the warrants remedy rudy giuliani devices indicated the federal investigators were's devices in -- were searching for searching for communications things between between him and several ukrainian officials, investigators including the former including former president. president patrick and to push ankle. and two former prosecutors or how former prosecutors who helped mr. giuliani collect mr. giuliani collect information information about the bidens in about the bidens ukraine. i should also tell you. i should also it appears u.s. tell, you it appears that attorneys in manhattan and u.s. attorneys have been the fbi had tried hacked in the fbi for months to get have been trying for months to get the department of the department of justice to approve the justice to search warrants. approve the search warrants, but those but those efforts efforts were rebuffed. quote, were rebuffed under mr.. under trump, mr. trump, senior senior political political appointees in the appointees in the justice department justice department repeatedly sought to repeatedly sought to block the warrants. block for warrants, slowing the slowing the investigation investigation as it was gaining momentum last year. after merrick garland was appointed as -- the justice department leafed it had objections. to several worn on the law is no small thing, to do it on mayor giuliani who used to be the mayor of new york city and personal lawyer to the press in the united states, that is something else entirely.

there's still a lot we don't know about what happened today. here to make sense of all of, it people who have respectively -- washington for new york magazine, reported on how few things really is not entirely -- illegal affairs reporter and political. josh, let me start with you just on what we know about the status of the investigation and white today represents for the investigation. >> when we know is the investigation does seem to be zeroing in on giuliani. as you mentioned, it's pretty serious that the prosecutors in new york think they have enough evidence to raid a lawyer's office. as you mentioned, that doesn't happen often. it suggests they think they have not only for probable cause, to think that some kind of crime was committed, but some amount, some quantum more

than that. you wouldn't want to try to make a presentation to the justice department headquarters, we're either it's rebuffed or not, without being pretty sure you have the goods. it has to be, i would, think pretty scary for mr. giuliani that his former colleagues, the former office used to run, thinks they have the goods on him. >> just to reemphasis that point you just made, josh, people in law enforcement can often be cavalier. we've seen examples. when it comes to, should we go or the apartment of the ex presidents lawyer, i mean, the institutional disposition you are gonna get in the bra crusty everyone is saying, are you sure about this? there's a lot of green lights and had to be issues and you can imagine before something like this happened. >> it does look chris, like there is a certain amount of circumstantial evidence that there was a pretty big struggle with the justice department last year over this specific

issue. remember, you had this attempt by attorney general bill barr to fire the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. jeff berman around june of last year, and then there was a second indictment of some giuliani's associates that came out in september, about six or seven weeks before the november election, and i was looking back at that today, i thought, it originally, and the original indictment mention this ukraine related political keeper in the way to oust the u.s. ambassador to ukraine which came at a big trump white house effort, a big trump political effort at one point. that looks like it disappeared from the second indictment. it seems like there was some effort to try in some ways, to sanitize this investigation politically in advance for the november election. >> olivia, you've been covering review throughout the trump years. it is really noticeable how

often he comes up in like the lowest moments, or the worst scandals, or the things that went to most awry, bolton described some famously as a head grenade. he's the rolling during -- of corruption from parties, and he is everywhere. what i want to say, this can have surprise you that much, giving your reporting on him over the last few years? >> it's funny, i saw some people in right-wing media trying to make conspiracy on to the fact that people said they saw this coming. well, you would have to be in a coma to have not seen this coming at some point over the last few years. it's almost as if rudy giuliani has been attempting to tempt investigators to do something like this. it is like he has been trying to get himself into legal trouble. it's not surprising in all. it is something that we have been aware of as you just discussed. you know there was supporting that there was quite a serious

investigation. that involves than only rudy, but it involves all sorts of different people that he was associated with in the business. we saw how it affected the government. the last -- saw in the first impeachment, excuse me, can't keep track of, them the first impeachment talked about what he was doing on the open, in the ukraine. and what investigators were looking at reporting right now. with people who know rudy, thought quite highly of him previously, they really believed in the midst of america is fair. they really talked about him becoming the last few years as a great tragedy. they thought he would kind of protect his legacy, that he would kind of go out as a statesman, treating on all his goodwill that he had built up -- certain type of americans throughout his political career. then they watched him squander it. in service somewhat?

i don't think there's ever really been a compelling explanation. rudy hasn't offered one himself. no reason for why he's been doing what he's doing to stay close to donald trump, and stay relevant for these last several years. so, maybe this investigation can find some answers for that. maybe it's something you don't. no it is kind of stunning to watch someone just been out of control. as you said, he finds himself at every low moment in the strangest places, and a borat movie. you know, in the ukraine, at a place drunk on bloody marys. he is everywhere, ruining everything. i keep thinking back to something i did at the, end the summer of this last campaign, talking to senior officials of the trump campaign. he told me that controlling -- and keeping tabs on, and making

sure he's busy. that is so fascinating to me. you can't say he ruined the trump campaign, but it does offer some explanation for part of what went wrong. >> yeah, spencer ackerman likely grew up in new york city. he tweeted that he wanted to go back until the teenage version of me that rudy giuliani just got raided by the threads. -- feds. thank you both. stick around. congressman adam schiff. domes from's first impeachment is here to react to the fbi rating of rudy giuliani as well as president biden's joint address tonight. that's gonna come right you're way after this. way after this try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette >> tech: every customer has their own safelite story. this couple was on a camping trip...

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president trump has not paid rudy giuliani, his personal attorney, for his services. can you explain who has paid for rudy giuliani's legal fees, international travel, and other expenses in his capacity as president trump's attorney and representative? >> short answer to the question is, i don't know who is paying rudy giuliani's fees. and if he is not being paid by the president to conduct this domestic political errand, for which he has devoted so much time, if other clients are paying and subsidizing his works in that respect, it raises profound questions.

questions that we can't answer at this point. >> we never got an answer to that. the question of who pays rudy giuliani. the question that congressman adam schiff pose, that he didn't have an answer to as the lead house impeachment manager. a little more than a year ago. my lord. that question, today, has a new meaning as after the fbi reading giuliani's home in office after as part of a criminal investigation into specifically whether he acted as an unregistered foreign agent, wall for serving as former president donald trump's attorney. congress california congressman adam schiff joins me now. that moment left -- leapt into our heads on the show where we saw the new city. and i wonder if it left into yours? >> actually, the moment that leapt into my head was, i made a point to bring up some of the presidents defense and said that the president picked rudy

giuliani over fbi director christopher wray. and why would anybody in the right mind do that? and it was because christopher wray could only offer the truth and what was necessary to protect the country. but rudy giuliani could offer something that would help the president personally and politically. and that's all that matter to donald trump. so that's what i was thinking of. i completely forgot the question that you just played. >> we never got an answer to it. and indeed it seems that the investigation, from what we can glean, is the degree to which his -- i mean the president of the united states personal attorney was undertaking work on the behalf, possibly have a foreign agent that he had not declared. >> i think that based on what we were seeing during the investigation, giuliani was pursuing a couple things. he was pursuing this political errand for the president, to try to dig up dirt on the bidens, and help the presidents

reelection. as well as push out this kremlin narrative that it wasn't russia that intervened in 2016. it was ukraine and ukraine is trying to help hillary. but at the same time, he was trying to make money. he was trying to do business. and somebody had to be paying for that. and some of what he was doing was in the interest of ukrainian politicians like this corrupt prosecutor lutsenko. and it did raise profound questions about whether he was violating the registration requirements. but that was in our charter. that was a charter of the justice department. >> are you -- what is today say about the justice department. particularly given the reporting that we have that folks at the fbi and at the ground level of prosecutors and u.s. attorney's office, were trying to pursue this. and getting blocked by senior officials, presumably political appointees of the president? >> i think what it says is that we have come a long way, thankfully, from bill barr's

justice department. where they made decisions about who should be investigated based on the presidents political desires. who should have their cases dismissed, like mike flynn, based on what the president wanted. who should get a lesser sentence like roger stone, based on what the president wanted. to merit garlands justice department where the law will be treating everyone equally. where they will be a rule of law again with. a political process that is kept out of decision-making. i think that's what this represents. and it couldn't be a better change for the department. >> there's a real direct connection between that first impeachment trial, the news today about rudy giuliani, and the speech tonight. which is that, donald trump saw from the beginning, joe biden as his biggest political threat. it was very clear. he was specifically the person he wanted to keep, to lose, to beat him. and he wanted to find a way to use whatever means at his disposal to sullying antar him.

and politically damage him. and if you have to use the government to do it, he was going to do it. and i'm curious what you thought of the new president speech tonight. and what it reflects about donald trump's political instincts in that regard? >> i think his instincts were very good. because joe biden obviously was a very formidable opponent in the election. but joe biden also showed today a -- just what a capable president he is. people have made a lot of comparisons of joe biden with franklin roosevelt, because of the sweep of what he wants to do to lift people out of poverty, people back to work. but i found myself thinking of harry truman listening to him tonight. just a very plain spoken manner. his appeal to working americans, was i think really quite beautiful and powerful, and resident. and i have to say, i was in the gallery looking down at some of my gop colleagues from the gallery, i thought i would hate to be in their shoes. trying to tell my constituents

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now, i suggest 100 days, i can reports of the nation. america is on the move again. >> joe biden waited longer than most president to give his joint address to congress. his 100 today in congress, the traditional day for getting things. dan biden was celebrating what he has done so far. 220 million covid shots in arms, 1400 dollar checks in, pockets 1.3 million new jobs, and the economy is now predicted to grow 1.6% this year. granted, some of this is just spend the good luck of timing, and all presidents can face. that they can get lucky or unlucky when the tech office and what happens. but you are hard-pressed to find another president who can credibly say they have delivered so quickly on what they promised as a candidate. joining me now is christina,

gruyère political science at -- national reporter for the new york times. and ceo could poorer national reporter for nbc news. christina, let me start with you. the tangible -- it's very rare to inherits an administration and a logistical challenge like mass vaccination, that is so sort of quantifiable. did you vaccinate enough people? that was the key challenge they had. look, we are double what the goal was. >> yeah, joe biden is really articulate and what are a few accomplishment. he knows he has one year left roughly for the government, then people start campaigning. then the 2022 midterms comes. then there's a real chance that he could lose the house or senate or both. he summoned that when he was vice president under barack obama.

it's not just vaccinations, it's also about jobs, it's also about climate change, and getting legislation passed. voting rights, civil rights, he knows the clock is ticking. as you said, the shadow of vaccinations, and the tangible acts of getting this done has been a coordination effort and we actually have a president now who believes in science. >> alina, i am really fascinated by how limp and wrong-footed republicans seem on the central core questions of political economy right now. there was a time when they would be licking their chops to go after this kind of thing. of course, they will go out there and say, they will raise your taxes, freedom, here, family tim scott did that. that's not where the blood is getting flushed among conservatives. it's dr. seuss, its clinical races being taught in school, it's voting stuff. you can see it in tim scott's speech, which was kind of

throat clearing on the big questions of political economy than getting into the meat. do you see it in that way in your reporting? >> yeah, absolutely, chris. you go to state party rallies across the country these days, whether in texas, michigan, arizona even -- had nobody brings up the economy anymore. >> yeah. >> you will remember, chris, we talked and -- when i was at cpac, we were debating this relief package. it was not brought up and in the speech i listen to. it's not at all surprising to me that tim scott will state over that quickly. he even sent an email to donors before his speech, the very first line chris was a reference to how republicans cannot seed to cancel culture. that really is the heart of what's animating the party right now. i don't see that changing. >> yeah, exactly. it's like you want to spend four billion dollars to institute the 24/7 show -- like dr. seuss. seal, i think that is partly

because the biden folks had picked their fights on, fairground, this stuff is polling well. this is dynamic, it will be defined partly by the opposition. they will surely sink their teeth into it. they are choosing to fight from the high ground, in terms of popularity on a bunch of this stuff. >> and chris, that is partly also because the political realignment we have seen the republican -- republican coalition is less -- it's more white collar, affluent, and they could use this 1400 dollar planned by biden. when i was most struck from from the president's speech was how much she almost directly spoke to trump voters and republican voters. he talked about forgotten americans, which was specifically a trump term he used over again who left people

behind, he spoke to voters without a college degree. an overwhelming percentage of his jobs created under his proposed plans would be for non-college educated americans. there was a lot of that going on his speech. you basically said, trump had all these issues but he let you down. he said that didn't work, he gave this money to the, rich his plan of stability was built from the ground. up he's putting the conversation from cultural issues, which he knows riled up the republican. beijing knows they are probably not good for democrats at this moment. they are trying to win the middle of the country and appeal over voting. he knows that it's an economic and gender that has a lot of potential for the republican base the way it hasn't in decades. >> there's always a question of emphasis. what you say, what you emphasize. the first part of that speech was all that stuff. that was a normal speech. there were some really interesting sections on police reform, and transit quality. i want to talk about that,

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justice on the neck of black americans. now is our opportunity to make some real progress. the vast majority of men and women were in uniform and a badge serve our communities, and they serve them honorably. >> that moment there, after he said that, there was an extended applause. in fact, a standing ovation. including maxine waters, which i thought was a fascinating political moment. still with me christina greer, elaina plott and sahil kapur. you could see him and the democratic party doing some needle threading on this question, in that section of the speech. what was your reaction to it, christina? >> i thought the section was interesting. obviously, i would've liked much more time dedicated to

that section. but i thought the way the president wolf in -- first of all he said, white supremacy is terrorism. then he walked into george floyd, talking about the george floyd justice act. and then he transitioned into equity for lgbtq plus, asian american protections, protections for violence against women, gun violence. i fell all of those came together in a larger, 21st century, civil rights package. that he's putting together and asking congress to pass certain legislation, so he can sign it. but what i think is fascinating is we have to remember there are thousands upon thousands of black americans who were in police departments across the country. they have family members who are police officers, military personnel, there are many conservative -- 90% of black americans are in the democratic party. but we are several shades of blue. many conservative black americans choose the democratic

parties, because the publican party is choose choosing to align with a white, nationalist agenda. so the ideological diversity of black americans in the democratic party is vast. and conversations about policing our vast within the black american community. so it's not surprising the standing ovation. and also that intricate articulation of the george floyd act. but also, praising police departments across the country and understanding how that fits into a larger narrative. >> i think that's really on the money about the complexities here and that heterogeneity on won the coalition. and i also thought it was interesting tim scott was chosen to give the response. he's the lead negotiation on justin policing compromise. he's going to be meeting with george floyd's family, i believe, tomorrow, elaina. and it says something about the republican parties misperception of the politics of this moment, that that was the choice party meet. >> it's a good point.

i think that what republicans are probably already running into, and what they have tim scott would sort of preempt, is the fact that totally, after the trump era, republicans are really just less calibrated. our best calibrated in this moment to respond to the supposed it resistance caricature that they may say alexandria ocasio-cortez out to be. and joe biden's i think real strength in his speech tonight was that he delivered what was really the most progressive address, i would say, at a joint session. maybe since lbj. i would go so far as to say that. i get he packages it just don't really, in such a way, that he doesn't give republicans a lot to latch onto. it's very difficult, even for republicans, to villa nice what he was saying about police reform.

which theoretically should be the issue that should light to the biggest fire under them. but joe biden's brilliance in some ways is that he's kind of boring, and is not going to excite a great many people. >> i will see one more thing on that. it's not just scoring, i think. he's a white man in a country that mostly likes white men as presidents. and the skeleton key to americans qualities is this cool, he's still moving obama and hillary merchandise, and he cannot sell joe biden t-shirts. that's basically -- all of american politics at a certain level is contained in that. both in ways i think the biden folks are leaning into. >> chris, i've been thinking more and more about this recently. president obama had this knack for making moderate programs like the affordable care act sound exciting and revolutionary. biden superpower is exact opposite. he makes massive multi trillion

dollar fdr size liberal policy sewn moderate and middle of the road, just by the way he talks about that. and i think that's a big part of where he's going with all of this. i saw a major distinction between the way he talked about his economic program. he talked about those like he was at the driver seat. that he had public opinion on his side. he has a path to getting approval in congress. because there's no filibuster on that. but there is a filibuster on things like police reform, gun travel and a limit on immigration. >> yeah, back footed a little bit there. thank you all for staying up, making time. that does it for tonight. all in will be back at 8 pm eastern. don't go anywhere, jonathan will be up next. up next.

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