good day. this is andrea mitchell reports in washington. president biden on his 100th day in office tries to look at the shift in government. he will be touching down in georgia this hour, but first to visit with former president jimmy carter and rosalynn carter. before he left the president sat down with craig melvin, anchor of craig melvin reports at 11:00 here on msnbc. >> andrea, president biden insisted last night and this morning to me, that he believes that the american people want $6

trillion in new spending and are okay with the idea of having wealthy individuals, corporations, pay for it. the president is leaning into this idea of bigger, bolder government. we heard that last night. we defended it this morning. we heard his view of the government. we spent time talking about taxes. i also asked him about tim scott's comments, the junior senator from south carolina provided a response to the president's remark. tim scott contended america is not racist. i talked to him about that. you could make the argument that president biden's first 100 days have been defined by the

pandemic and what is happening at the southern border. i asked about the president's pledge to reunite children with families that had been separated under the previous administration. our polling has been that not one child has been reunited. we talked about that. and we talked about rudy giuliani. it was revealed that federal investigators raided his home and office as part of his time as president trump's attorney. i asked president biden whether he was aware of the raid before it happened. here was his response. >> federal investigators searched the home and office of rudy giuliani as part of an investigation into his time as president trump's attorney, his

dealings with ukraine. were you aware of that before it happened? >> i give you my word i was not. i made a pledge i would not interfere, order or try to stop any investigation had underway. i learned about that last night when the rest of the world learned about it. my word. >> have you been briefed on any other investigations? >> no, and i am not asking to be briefed. the last president politicized the department so badly that many left. it's not the role of the president to say who should and should not be prosecuted. >> president biden insisting he had no prior knowledge of that

raid. and also indicating he had not been briefed on any other investigations involving president trump or predecessors, allies as well. tonight in georgia there is a drive-in rally, but before that they are going to spend time with president carter and rosalynn carter. the president 96 years old now. they were not able to attend mr. biden's inauguration, but their relationship goes back decades. it was then senator joe biden at 33 years old, first senator to endorse him in 1976. he said he wanted to get down to plains to say hello much i asked how the former president is doing. he has had an on again-off again battle with cancer for years. president biden said president

carter was doing as well as could be expected. the conversation spanned about 25 minutes. and dr. biden joined us toward the end as well. >> that is extraordinary, so many topics you have covered. let me point out with you that this is important for the president to point out separately from the way it used to be done under president trump, that he stays out of all justice department affairs. that was something very important from his perspective. >> indeed. >> craig melvin, we will be watching tomorrow on "today." you can see the interview tomorrow on the "today" show and right here. mr. biden pointing to his

response to the coronavirus that big government can be effective. >> democracy still works, government still works and we can deliver for our people. we are vaccinating the nation, creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs and delivering results to real people, opening doors of opportunity, guaranteeing fairness and justice. that's democracy in action. >> president biden made history seconds into the speech marking a moment that took centuries to become reality. >> madam speaker, madam vice president -- no president has ever said those words from this podium. no president has ever said those words. and it's about time.

>> joining me now is casey hunt. in the chamber, one reporter sending all of us in the chamber and gallery. you have been to so many of these. this one was so different. >> it was so different, not the least because of the moment you just showed everyone. i couldn't see that last night from my advantage point. just 200 people in the chamber. it made for a very different atmosphere. some people i have spoken to since then they say it was less partisan because it was less raucous. it lent to personal conversations that sometimes bigger crowds don't. the substance of the speech divided parties along many

classic lines. it is a return from a familiar way of doing things that was absent in the trump administration. you hear president biden talking about the era of big government being back, those sorts of ideas. president trump campaigned on not cutting social security. it crosses party lines in some ways. but you saw liz chaney criticize the spending plans that president biden laid out. one thing i underscore about what it was like to be in that room was how much more close it felt to normal compared to what we saw from president trump dough spite all of the restrictions and how few people there were because of the pandemic. >> only a year ago it was the

speaker of the house tearing up the president's speech which was a notable moment. hardly that. first time that she in five years had a democratic president giving a speech. tim scott with the republican response which spoke a partisan tone and seemed to be adhering to defense of the trump years but also laying out what could be popular in the next political campaign. >> he is an interesting messenger. senator scott has been very well respected behind the scenes. he is leading negotiations around police reform questions in the wake of the killing of george floyd last year. he was able in some ways to carry forward the message republicans are pushing while insisting there are not race

based motivation for what they are saying, as far as voting rights. tim scott is the only black senator in the senate. it has been highly charged after president trump's lies about the 2020 election. he spoke to that. and spoke to some of the coronavirus decisions that the administration has been in charged of. the trump administration saw much of our pandemic lives from march of 2020 to march of 2021. pointing out schools. and other areas he took more of a partisan line. >> i want to bring in the white house chief of staff to president clinton. you said the era of big government was over in 1996.

we heard a very different message last night from president biden. how is he going to get this passed? >> it was a different time. i think what the president is talking about is not just size of government but purpose of government, whether it will be on the side of american people. whether it will make the right investments for a strong and stable economy. he has the wind at his back coming in with 100 day record of getting the coronavirus vaccine distributed, more than 220 million doses with passing the american recovery act to boost the economy, take care of people's personal balance sheets, if you will. and i think he is going to have to rely on what he relied on in the passage of the american recovery act which is that the american public across the

political spectrum supports the kind of investments he is talking about, in in in fra structure, child support. they have strong support including decent support among republican voters. >> this is the most divided senate. only five seat majority in the house so it will be hard to get through. i think they do believe there is a chance for compromise on the george floyd bill. tim scott is the point person from the senate side. karen bass. let's listen to what the president had to say about that. >> we have all seen the knee of justice on the neck of black americans. now is the time for progress.

my fellow americans, we have to come together to rebuild trust from law enforcement and the people they serve. and to have that police reform in george floyd's name. >> he said he wants this done by may 25th. that is a short period, but that is his time frame. it's the anniversary of george floyd's death. >> i thought this was one of the most emotional parts of the speech. i thought he connected with the public. it was a weird scene because the chamber was so empty. that picture of senator harris -- vice president harris and speaker pelosi behind him, that grace note said a lot, but when they turned the camera around and it was so empty, i

think he was trying to connect with the american people. it was an emotional appeal. i think he has the opportunity to get republican support for this. we need it, the country needs it. i think the country supports it. they will go all out to try to pass that. there is other bipartisan legislation in front of the congress like the bill to improve our competitiveness with china that is moving through the senate. it has support from both democrats and republicans. when it comes to major investments, he is going to have to primarily rely on democrats if he is to succeed. he knows the country needs to invest in energy and infrastructure, what they call a

caring economy. he comes to the table with a lot of success and he has to use that capital to convince democrats to stick with him, but so far they have. >> there are cracks in that. it's not just manchin. after the speak ended mark kelly who has a tough situation, he has to run again in two years in arizona and he put out a statement about how he hadn't heard anything with the border surge and the crisis affecting his state. moderate democrats, $6 trillion is a lot of money. into it is, but the need is great. we need to get people back to the workforce. particularly he would need to get women back in the workforce

and specific programs on child care, extending the tax credit, that is going to help american families. we need to get to work on the infrastructure project, moving forward with a cleaner energy structure. i think mark kelly supports that. no question the president has a challenge at the border. it has been vexing for them to get on top of it. they will have to reassure not just mark kelly and border state politicians, but american people that they can move towards a more humane immigration system but also a surge with extreme weather in central america. it is a problem.

president obama faced it, president trump faced it. they have to get on top of it. >> you have been there and done that. thanks so much. great to have you here today on the day after this speech. and now to more on the raid on rudy giuliani's home and office. the president telling craig melvin he had no prior knowledge. >> it is our understanding it was at 6:00 a.m. and he was at home to face these fbi guys with the warrant. >> it was early yesterday morning and what they seized were electronic devices. that will be able to give investigators into a window into his investigations and ukraine. at the heart of it is whether

the president's former lawyer was an unregistered foreign agent trying to funnel propaganda to this president as part of his campaign. all of those questions. none of this has been released publicly. we have reported here at nbc, andrea, even last fall, that investigators believed they had enough evidence to get a search warrant to carry out what they did yesterday. but they stalled on that. we understand they wanted to wait until after the election so as not to interfere. did the barr justice department keep them from going forward and why would under the merrick garland administration would they wait until almost may to get something they could have gotten last year.

we have heard from rudy giuliani's lawyer that this is outrageous and it is hatred that led to this unethical attack on rudy giuliani. so more questions and we will continue to follow it. >> and alex navalny goes to court. what he and his wife had to say. >> we will be talking to cindy mccain about life for women in politics and her new book. polit.

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today in moscow alexei navalny made his first court

appearance since losing nearly 50 pounds which nearly killed him. >> andrea, we have just left the courtroom where, surprise, surprise, alexei navalny lost his appeal to have a fine he was handed down for supposedly defaming a world war ii person rejected. after his hunger strike he is very much diminished. his lawyers say he lost 48.5 pounds in the three weeks since he stopped eating. he was looking extremely thin in the face, wearing dark glasses and with the shaven head of a convict. >> awful pictures. thanks to sky news for that report from moscow.

ben, it's devastating to see that. he has been so courageous to go back to russia to face vladimir putin and supporters to putin. what is vladimir putin seeing as he seeing navalny refer to him as a naked king who is a plunderer of the people. >> it's difficult to watch those images. i spent time talking to alexei navalny on face time during the pandemic. he said he thinks about his government and how they lie repeatedly and when he faces russian judges they lie to him.

this is a man who knew he was risking everything when he went back to russia. even today this man is not morally diminished. he has repeatedly exposed putin and the threat he is to this country. but putin didn't go as far as killing him. we saw the explosion of support in the streets for navalny. this is a man with a family, with children. we need to keep the eyes of the world on him and the case begin the brutality that putin has showed here. >> absolutely. president biden said he told putin his actions would have consequences, but still wants to work with him on other issues, suggesting a summit this summer. how does he strike the right

balance? >> i am sympathetic to what president biden is saying given the fact we have a huge relationship with russia and we need to work with them on things like nuclear agreements, iran agreement. but over the years multiple countries have tried pressure. if he feels like he has to dial up confrontation against the united states, dial up the nationalism at home, he will do that. but he has to realize if putin does something, he will have to respond. if he doesn't feel pushback from the united states, he will push farther. >> another developing concern possibly involving russia as

well. there were two classified hearings in the house and senate last week on directed energy attacks. russia is the primary source of suspicion because they developed this kind of weapon in the '70s. you know what happened in havana, then in china and moscow. this is about u.s. troops might have been targeted in syria and unconfirmed reports it might have happy in the u.s. how do we deal with this? symptoms differ person to person. it's hard to push back on russia. >> this is incredibly hard. it started in havana. this is dangerous how nations can operate against one another if suddenly we are moving to a

place we were not in the cold war, if russia is sending a message your troops are not safe, that undermines the capacity to work together anywhere. if the russians are engaged in this, we need to get other countries on board, our allies, but other countries, too, to go to putin and say we can't operate in a world like this. the united states does not do this. china does not do this. we have to build effort to say this under mines the capacity of any nation to work together. because russia is saying if you are an adversary of us, you are not safe to operate anywhere. >> a role possibility.

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war. >> we went to afghanistan to get the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. we said we would follow bin laden to the gates of hell to do it. we delivered justice to bin laden. we degraded the terrorist threat of al qaeda in afghanistan. after 20 years of valor and sacrifice it's time to bring those troops home. >> this weekend will mark the tenth anniversary of owe sammy -- osama bin laden's death. the man who took him down. his new book is "the hero code." there has been concern among some about what will happen once the withdrawal is completed.

talks are in stalemate. and there is a new threat that by may 1 there could be new violence. the president ordering nonessential personnel out because of this new threat. how do you reflect on what could come about? >> as a former senior military officer, all we want to make sure is that the commander in chief understands our concern. i know scott miller and mckenzie, chairman mark millie and lloyd austin, secretary of defense, all had an opportunity to sit down with the president and layout their concerns. there are risks. make no mistake about it. you could have a resurgent taliban, a safe haven for al

qaeda again. we will be concerned about the progress women have made and will that be rolled back. as long as those concerns are laid on the table of the president. at the end of the day the president, as the commander in chief makes a decision, and we as the military, carry out the president's decision and that's what the military will do. >> they gave him advice. he knows what the risks were. do you think it was wrong for him to overrule and decide the other way? >> absolutely not. this is why people elect a president and commander in chief, to make decisions based on the facts laid out in front of him. the president looked at it. the president and military don't agree on all issues. from a senior military standpoint you just want to be sure you have the ability to voice the concerns, that the

chief understands those risks and then it's their decision and we move outsmartly. >> the way he approached foreign policy, talking about building domestic strength to send a signal to china that we are going to be competitive, that we are going to be in this fight. is that a hard sell to the people when it will cost $6 trillion? >> i think the president set the right tone with the speech last night. we have to work for our democracy every single day. but conversely, our democracy has to work for us. i think that was the theme of the president's speech, that democracy will work for all americans and we will be sure democracy is seen on the world stage as the bee con of hope since the establishment of this

great nation. i thought the tone and message was right. we have to be sure that governments like russia and china understand we are as strong as we have ever been and we will continue to set the pace for the world in a good and right and honorable fashion. >> when you endorsed joe biden for president, you wrote that the world no longer looks up to america. do you think that's changing? >> i think it's changing, but we still have a lot of work to do. the president set the right tone. now we have to follow through. what i have seen in the first 100 days is the president has gone to great lengths to reestablish our alliances. he would don't live in a world where he would alone can direct the path of foreign policy. we need to have our alliances and strengthen them. he has done a great job of doing

that. but we have to put promises on the table and meet those. >> reflexes ten years after the operation that got bin laden? >> i'm obviously incredibly proud of the seals and great helicopter pilots and intelligence professionals that were part of that mission. but make no mistake about it. we were honored to represent the hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors, professionals, intelligence, to bring bin laden to justice. this was about ten years of fighting after 9/11. our troops and allied troops as well. we were proud to be the final piece to bring bin laden to

justice. >> some of those are honored and celebrated in your new book. thank you very much. always good to see you. president biden's first joint address when for the first time we saw two women standing behind the president on the dyess. house speaker nancy pelosi and vice president kamala harris, the first women to hold their position. joining me now is the chairman of the board of mccain institute for international leadership. of course, wonderful 38 years of mank with the late senator john mccain. her new book is "stronger: courage, hope and humor in my life with john mccain." cindy, it's great to see you. >> thank you. >> what do you think about the two images last night, the two women up there on the dais? >> i loved it. we should have had women there before, much earlier than this,

in my opinion. it was a about night because the president struck a tone last night that was even and measured and far different from the tone we heard in the past. so for me as a border and someone who participates openly in the political process, i was grateful to feel comforted and a little bit safe by listening to what my president was saying to me last night. then having those two women behind him were just the best. >> what about the attacks that seemed to focus on women, targeting women in politics? vice president harris coming under attack now. you write in your book, i had to be a good political spouse, as a woman, you walk a really fine line, and if you put one toe over it, you risk being portrayed the crazy, shrieking wife. what motivated to you write that? >> that is very true. when john and i first came into congress, things were different in those days.

as a political spouse and political wife mainly, because there weren't many political spouses in those days, there was a certain protocol that you stood by and it was kind of an unwritten rule about how you behaved and how you conducted yourself. as the years have gone on, of course, that changed a great deal and for the ability of a spouse or partner to work outside their partner's office was really important. for me, that was very important because i began to work on issues that were just insanely important to me. and i think we're in great need around the world. that's what i write about in this book, my ability to then become someone who was able to step outside the lines a little bit and begin to work. still, it was a fine line and it was something i respected though, please don't misunderstood me, i respected

the duties i had but i was grateful when things lightened up. >> but there was also the pain that you write about in the campaign, families are supposed to be off-limits but certainly in the primary in south carolina your daughter bridget was badly treated and it was so painful for you and your husband, your whole family. >> yes, i wrote about that for the reason that you just said. i truly believe children should be off-limits. john and i were fair game, but not the kids. when that occurred, we were able to shield her before that. mercifully at the time. and everyone knows the story, it was a terrific, brutal attack on both my husband and my daughter for her color. so later on, years later she googled herself one day and i had to deal with the aftermath of what she came to me literally crying and said why does the

president hate me? those were her words. it's taken me years to even build up her courage again to understand this was just politics, it had nothing really to do with her. it had everything to do with mom and dad. but she is still bruised from it. i think these words have consequences and in that case, it was dreadfully harsh and horrible what they did to her. i wanted to talk about it because i felt that other people should hear our story with regards to political life and the political process. and it's time we take stoke in who we are as members, my husband being a member, but also as a candidate. >> and you also write so honestly in the book about your personal struggle with opioid addiction, writing you didn't tell your husband until much later. >> yes, i had, again, in those years, women were -- women were expected a great deal of. you had to work. you took care of your family,

you looked perfect, you entertained perfect. i mean, all of those things, and in my case, i put undue pressure on myself because i felt i could never let my husband down and it would be my fault if something might happen. that was unfair to myself. and as a result of that, i did become addicted to opioids be did not tell my husband because i did not want to embarrass him or in any way hurt him at all. but what it did to me, it drug me down a rabbit hole. as you know, addiction is a very cunning enemy. before you know it, you're fully engulfed in it. so when i finally did tell my husband, he was very supportive and very understanding and stood right by my side the whole time, which is i guess what i should have expected but i just didn't want to hurt him. that was really what that was all about. and now years later i have learned so much from it, not just how women are treated,

especially in those years, you come in and say my back really does hurt. here's 100 pills, go home, take it and have a drink. that's never the way anyone should be treated. things are much different now, i'm grateful for. for anyone struggling with this, you can get help. there's help out there for you and there are plenty of people who are willing to stand by your side. >> you certainly exhibit everything in your book "stronger." cindy mccain, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. good to see you. >> you too. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember follow us online on facebook and twitter. chuck todd is up next with "mpt daily" only on msnbc. bc

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