good afternoon. i'm katy tur. as we come on the air, two presidents, the current and the former, are responding for the first time to the fbi raid on rudy giuliani's new york city home along with his office. president biden in an exclusive interview with my colleague craig melvin says he had no idea. >> federal investigators

searched the home and the office of rudy giuliani as part of an investigation into his time as president trump's attorney, his dealings with ukraine. were you aware of that raid before it happened? >> i give you my word i was not. i made a pledge i would not interfere in any way, order or try to stop any investigation the justice department had underway. i learned about that last night when the rest of the world learned about it. my word. i had no idea this was underway. >> have you been briefed on any other investigations involving -- >> no. and i'm not asking to be briefed. i'm not asking to be briefed. that's the justice department's independent judgment. this last administration politicized the justice department so badly, so many quit, so many left because that's not the role of a president to say who should be prosecuted, when they should be prosecuted, who should be not prosecuted. that's not the role of the president. the justice department is the

people's lawyer, not the president's lawyer. >> much more of craig's interview with the president tomorrow morning on "today." meantime, the former president donald trump is defending his personal attorney, calling him a patriot who loves his country. he also called the raid so unfair and very sad. giuliani, who is rarely at a loss for words, has been notably silent. giuliani's lawyer, robert costello, did issue a statement that reads in part, the search warrants involve only one indication of an alleged incident of failure to register as a foreign agent, which giuliani denies. he goes on to say the electronics taken are also replete with material covered by the attorney-client privilege and other constitutional privileges. joining me now is nbc new york chief investigative reporter jonathan dietz, white house reporter sara parker and former

senior prosecutor for the mueller investigation, and andrew weissman. everybody, welcome. john, you know the sdni better than anybody. the lawyer's statement right there is talking about how there is attorney-client privileged material on many of those hard drives. what happens now? >> what happens now is expect a period of quiet time as they go through those electronics, a laptop, cell phone, other electronic devices, computers, as they look for evidence. how are they going to do this given the attorney-client privilege questions? they're going to have a clean team, a team that has nothing to do with the investigation and any possible future prosecution. those investigators are going to go through all that data, see what is relevant to this criminal investigation and then turn it over to the team that is going to actually handle the criminal investigation, so that separate team will then pass that information on. it will be reviewed and the investigation will move forward that way, thus avoiding any

compromise or conflict as articulated by giuliani's lawyer. then look to see in the days, weeks ahead if any witnesses and/or this evidence gets presented to a grand jury if the prosecutors decide there is enough there to move forward with criminal charges. so weeks of work ahead, i would expect. >> jon, what do you make about this raid? they didn't call giuliani's lawyer or anybody to ask them to voluntarily turn over these devices. >> they wanted to obtain these devices. they wanted to get them unobject -- unobstructed at 6:00 a.m. that's usually how it operates. they said he's willing to turn it over, he's willing to cooperate. obviously the prosecutors chose to seize them, getting a search warrant and obtaining them in

this fashion, and the investigation is ongoing. they seized the devices both from his apartment and from his office, and it's going to be interesting to see whether there is evidence of a crime on those phones. they believe there is. that's how they were able to obtain the search warrant signed off by a federal judge here in lower manhattan. >> andrew, in looking at this particular raid on this particular person, rudy giuliani is very -- is a very public figure of the he's the president's former personal attorney. you had to go all the way up through the doj to get approval for a raid like this. what does that tell you about the confidence investigators have in the evidence that they expect to obtain? >> well, it's important to note that this is not the first round of the southern district of new york doing these kinds of search warrants with respect to not

just a lawyer but a lawyer for the president, because this is what happened be michael cohen. as jon pointed out, there is a process that they look at someone not appointed to the investigative case. they have a former lawyer doing that screening because of attorney-client privilege, and the client was not intruded on. if you are an attorney for a notable figure such as the president, you have to be confident you can satisfy the people, that you have probable cause and that you are going to be not coming close to the line. in other words, that you are presenting a very strong case

but it remains justice to get approval. one thing that's clear here, there is definitely something there. whether there is going to be enough for proof beyond a reasonable doubt, we don't know yet. >> it is a big risk to take if you don't find enough to indict, though, given the public nature of this. if you're putting percentages on this, andrew, and i know you're not involved in this particular case, but from your past experience, if you're putting percentages on this, how likely are we to see an indictment from your past experience? >> sure. well, what's been reported is that they're investigating something called the foreign agents registration act, which is something that requires people to register with the department of justice if you represent a foreigner and are lobbying or seeking to influence american public opinion. and so here it's not that hard a case if there has been a

violation. what you need to find out is who are the clients for rudy giuliani? in other words, was there any foreigner who was a client, and there will be lots of records, e-mails, money trails to prove that, and then what was mr. giuliani doing with respect to any lobbying activities. in other words, who was he opportuning? again, there is going to be records of that. i suppose that's why there was a search warrant done try to obtain those critical records and to figure out exactly how mr. giuliani was communicating with people in the united states and overseas. >> ashley, resurface the context here for us. a lot of people remember bits and pieces of this back from 2020, 2019 and all the players involved. there's lev parnas, igor fruman, and the one who had her own

issue with rudy giuliani yesterday. what's going on here? >> we would require your entire show to go through all of rudy giuliani's questionable dealings. but at its core the cliff notes is that he was involved with the ukraine on a number of issues, including reaching out to try to get dirt on joe biden's son hunter, dirt that they thought could help president trump -- giuliani at least thought could help president trump defeat now president biden in the election. in the meantime, there are questions that we already discussed whether rudy giuliani was lobbying without registering the president on behalf of some of these ukranians who he was dealing with about hunter and other issues, including pushing for the ultimate ouster which did occur of the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie javonovich.

giuliani appears in just about every troubled moment of donald trump's presidency, from being his lawyer in the first impeachment, and being involved in the dangerous lie that the election was somehow stolen. >> let's talk about president biden right now, because my colleague craig melvin asked him about this. i asked press secretary jen psaki about it as well yesterday, did they know about this ahead of time. it's a question that's relevant because of the past president and the way he conducted himself. how does the biden administration feel about this investigation, ashley? do they think it's a distraction from their agenda? are they supportive of it? >> i think at the core, the administration's stance is what you saw president biden say to your colleague in that interview, which is that he presented himself as the

antithesis to president trump, and that is where president biden said he is not the president's lawyer, he is the people's lawyer, and he had no knowledge that would be appropriate or even just create the mere appearance of something untoward. in general, they do try to stay out of it. he has four major crises he identified, and what happens to rudy giuliani is not one of them. so it's unlikely that this is something the biden administration wants to spend a ton of time talking about. >> andrew, finally, what about the timing of this? there are reports that bill barr blocked prosecutors from pursuing this when he was still attorney general. now that merrick garland is attorney general and now that he

has lisa monaco as his deputy, what does that signal to you? >> it's hard not to draw an inference from the fact that lisa monaco started just last week and these were approved, presumably, two days ago. this to me seems like full steam ahead, that the department is now running on full cylinders with a confirmed attorney general, confirmed deputy attorney general, and they're going to do their job in moving things forward. i know personally that lisa monaco is definitely a can-do person, and she doesn't let things sit on her desk very long unless it's absolutely necessary to get everyone on board. >> all righty. a lot of movement out of the doj on this and many other policy issues and investigations across the country. jonathan dienst, ashley parker,

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president biden has thrown down the gauntlet, offering the biggest proposal on the agenda. now they're trying to figure out how to push $4 trillion through congress. it's hard to imagine how this would have been in previous administrations. back in 1996, bill clinton used his state of the union address to declare the era of big

spending is over. but president biden said it's up to the government to prove that they can deliver for america. 225 billion for paid family and medical leave, 213 billion for public housing, 200 billion to expand obamacare, 200 billion for universal pre-k, 100 billion for clean energy and the electric grid, 109 billion for free community college, 85 billion for public transportation, and much, much more. but there is still the issue of how the president hopes to pass such massive spending through a tiny house majority and a 50-50 senate. so far republicans are balking at biden's plan to pay for it by taxing the very rich. today speaker nancy pelosi said she hopes there is bipartisan support for the democrats' agenda but that she is not

afraid to go at it alone if need be. >> vote no, take the dough. that's what the republicans do. but that doesn't help people. what we're there for is to have the courage to pass the laws that hopefully in a bipartisan way, but if not, to make sure we're meeting the needs of the people. >> joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent leanne caldwell. when i talked to nancy pelosi, she said they would be willing to split up the bills and do them individually. what's happening on capitol hill? >> reporter: now comes the hard part of passing these major bills or bill, however they decide to do that, and how they do it is a big question. generally speaking, republicans are putting up a wall of opposition to a $4 trillion plan, especially how it's

expected to be paid for by increasing taxes on the wealthy and corporations. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is leading that wall of opposition. let's take a listen to him on the senate floor earlier today. >> the president talked about energy while reading off a multi-trillion-dollar shopping list that was neither designed nor intended to earn bipartisan buy-in. the blueprint for giving washington more money and even more power to micromanage american families and build the country's liberal future that they want instead of the future americans want. >> reporter: but it's a little more complicated, katy. it's not necessarily a blanket relationship to everything biden is proposing. there are some republicans working with the biden administration proposing a smaller transportation

infrastructure bill. they're not ruling that out. so there's all these different avenues where things could be done, they could be broken up, it could be one big package. we are still trying to figure out how it's going to work, and democrats on capitol hill are also still trying to figure that out, too, katy. >> let's try to get some answers on that. leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much. mighty add, i love your shirt today. i know it's totally off topic. joining me now is senator michael bennet of colorado. your tie is very nice as well. ztz i -- >> i appreciate that. >> simple question first. how are you going to do it? >> if we can get bipartisan support for it, that's great. i've got a bill with senator cassidy from louisiana that would fit well in the infrastructure package. and i think that there will be

some bills that -- we're passing a water bill today that republicans will vote for. what you're going to find is the difficult part is going to come when it's time to pay for it, and they're going to resist paying for it, and we're going to have to find a way to pay for at least some of it. >> when you say they're going to resist it and you're going to have to find a way, what does that mean? will it be through raising taxes or will it be from borrowing from the deficit? >> i think it will probably be a combination, but i'll tell you what it will not be, katy. it's not going to be an extension of the trump-mcconnell-bush approach which is to cut taxes in 2001 by $5 trillion. they borrowed every single cent to do that. all the benefit of that $5 trillion went to the richest people in america. it would be like the mayor of denver saying i'm going to take out more debt than i ever took out before, but i'm not going to spend it on infrastructure, i'm

not going to spend it on parks, i'm not going to spend it on schools, i'm not going to spend it on mental health. i'm going to give it to the two richest neighborhoods in denver and let it trickle down to everybody else. that's what they're looking at, and i hope there are republicans who will support us because i, too, look forward to going to the republican parts of my state and say, you are now getting a tax cut. the working people in our state are getting a biden tax cut, an earned income tax credit. 90% of america's kids are going to benefit with it. and we're going to have to raise taxes on the wealthy in america, wealthiest corporations, some of whom don't pay anything at all in taxes. to me, if i were a republican, i would want a piece of that action, i would think. >> talking about the child tax credit, i know you want to make it permanent. is that something that is going to get bipartisan support if it means raising taxes?

and if it does mean raising taxes, and it can't mean getting any bipartisan support, you're a 50-50 senate, is it time to get rid of the filibuster? >> i was really, really pleased that the president described that last night as the most important part of his package. that was very meaningful, and i think we're going to work extremely hard with colleagues in the senate and the house to make it permanent. mitt romney has a version of it that's actually as generous as the one that joe biden has proposed. he's got different pay-fors but there might be the basis for a bipartisan agreement. but poverty costs this country a trillion dollars a year, not to mention the lost opportunity for kids as a result of it, so i think the best investment we could make would be to make it permanent. with regard to the filibuster, what i would say about that is we cannot go through the mcconnell obstruction that we went through for a decade or

almost decade that barack obama was president. i'm not saying we democrats, we americans can't go through it. the challenges are too intense. the president did a very good job last night talking about the challenge from the chinese government's mercantile policies. that's not what we were facing in the 1990s. and the concept of climate change, these are real issues that we'll find out if democracy can work. i think it can work, but it's not going to with the obstruction by mitch mcconnell, and we'll have to find some way to come together and overcome that. >> the proposals are broadly popular with the american public among democrats, independents and some republicans, even.

but the likelihood of seeing republicans get on board with the tax structure as it's being proposed according to reporters on capitol hill is low. so if you're breaking this up and you're making it more individual bills and you're finding different pay-fors for some of those, what do you see as the most likely to pass, the easiest to pass? >> oh, i think the easiest to pass would be something like roads and bridges, and ironically, unpaid for because that's really the way mitch mcconnell likes to pass things notwithstanding everything he was saying before. it's incredible. nobody has added more deficit to the country's balance sheet than mitch mcconnell in his career. i don't expect many of them -- i hope we could get them, but i don't expect many of them to reverse any of the trump tax cuts for fear that they're going to get an angry call from mar-a-lago. but that's okay. it may be on us to do it, and

then we'll have to go home and explain just how progressive this tax policy is compared to the incredibly aggressive tax policy that washington pursued from george bush through donald trump and to the end of donald trump and what it cost the american people. $5 trillion we could have invested in our infrastructure, our roads and bridges and wastewater, in our people that we spent somewhere else, to say nothing of 20 years of two wars in the middle east that president biden is now ending with respect to afghanistan. a further reflection that this is a moment when we need to invest in our country and in our people, and that's what joe biden is trying to do. >> i want to get one more question to you. we're out of time, but i wonder if looking ahead to 2022, and

forgive me if i'm looking ahead too far, is this a risk or benefit to maintaining a majority and perhaps expanding a majority in either the senate or the house or both? >> look, i'm up in 2022, and i tell you i think it's a benefit. for too long, the american people believed that washington couldn't make any difference in their lives. by the way, they had good reason to believe that. those wars were one really good reason to think that way. now what we're demonstrating is that when you've got democratic majorities, most of the american people are going to benefit from those policies and their communities are going to benefit from it whether it's urban or rural, from broadband, for example, rural hospitals. investing to protect our watersheds out west. that's stuff we're going to do as democrats, and i'm going to be happy to go to rural places

and say, the way we paid for that is by making the wealthiest people in america pay their fair share and corporations, many of whom paid nothing in taxes, have a greater share. and i think when you think about the elections, which is not why we're doing it, but when you think about the elections in places like pennsylvania and wisconsin, ohio and colorado, that difference of whose side you're on is going to be crystal clear if a way that it has not been for a very long time. i'm pretty excited about that. >> senator michael bennet, i always tell my producers to factor in more time for our conversations because i inevitably go long because i always enjoy them. thank you for coming on. good to see you. if i don't see you before my maternity leave,ly see you on the other side. senator, thank you. joe biden is in georgia today to resell his plan to rebuild the economy and to

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home. this is the third high-profile action this week, including the investigation into the minneapolis and louisville police departments. the police reform legislation resumes on capitol hill. we have reverend al sharpton. reporters just came out and talked about the deadline president biden put on the reform bill, one year after george floyd's death. >> reporter: can you reach the may 25 deadline? >> i think we can reach the deadline. all we have to do is continue remembering why we're doing what we're doing. i think as long as we keep that as our focus, we will work

expeditiously to get to a solution. >> how much confidence do you have on this group of negotiators, this group of lawmakers coming to a consensus? >> i'm hopeful for the best. i was not encouraged when i heard senator scott's rebuttal last night to the president's address when he went out of his way to give credit to president trump for things trump never did. i can only hope he was just playing to his party, hoping they can get some of them to go toward the center in terms of police reform. but i think that they have to deal with the reality that this is the times in which we live in, demand that we have police reform. you have any number of polls showing most americans say something is wrong. you have policemen coming out and taking the stand in the case of derek chauvin and testifying

against police, which was never heard of before. if there was ever a time to have real police reform, which is good for the people, now is the time. i'm told by congresswoman bass and by senator booker, they feel sincere with senator scott. i know the families are talking to them, and i think it is an absolute right thing for a president to try to set a goal date so that we're not talking about this until some other issue sweeps it away. the 25th of may is a realistic goal if people are sincere given the heightened situation that we have in terms of police and the black community. >> rachel maddow talked to congresswoman bass last night, and she said when she heard tim scott speak, she got the impression he was speaking for the republican caucus as opposed

to himself, given conversations she's had with him about police reform. that may be the case, and they may come up with an agreement internally in this group, but how confident are you that they come out of it with something that ten republicans, or nine republicans in addition to senator scott, will get behind in order to get it passed through the senate? >> i have little faith in the republicans in the senate, but i would hope that i am proven wrong. i think they would be in a very awkward position if senator scott agrees with something. they've put them out there as the rebuttal to the president. he's the only black republican in the senate. for them not to support the guy they sent in would be a blatant sign for the midterm elections that many of them face. now, we are dealing with a crowd that does not mind being blatant, which is why my hopes

are not that high, but my faith in where the arc of the universe goes in history is that we can see a breakthrough here. you have to remember that we're looking, katy, at a president that stood last night and talked about white supremacy, something we've not heard presidents talk about. i was in the room when he talked to george floyd's family, and he got on hids knees and comforted george floyd's daughter. so clearly things can happen if you stay on course, and we're going to stay on course and fight until we get a george floyd justice and policing act. we were able to see the governor

sign. >> i covered that fight against stop and frisk when i was a local news reporter in new york. reverend al sharpton, thank you for joining us. the president and first lady are in georgia today amid a boycott over new voting laws. mainly that state's new restrictive voting laws which could make it difficult for democrats to win in the future. a reaction to that law which is threatening to trickle down to small businesses. joining me now from atlanta, bc news is covering that action. priscilla, what's happening down there? >> one of the things i've been struck by in speaking to voters

here, i spoke to a dozen people, and they did not watch his address last night. today is a chance for him to speak directly to the voters in georgia. we saw businesses speaking out in opposition of those new laws and some businesses even leaving altogether, big events and productions. there is some concern here about whether or not that is going to continue. i talked to one approximate. i want you to take a list ton how she described the situation. >> we took a hit with covid-19. we're not inexperienced when it comes to taking financial hits, and if taking a hit is for the right cost, then so be it. i don't think we'll suffer that

much from it. i think if there are productions to be found in other places, we'll diversify. >> reporter: but, katy, i've also spoken to some workers here who don't have the ability to just leave. they're saying a boycott is not the answer, but rather, to encourage people to get out and vote. katy? >> priscilla thompson in atlanta. priscilla, thank you so much. more than a million moms lost their jobs during the pandemic. we'll break down the president's plan to get these women back to work. the country might be opening back up but vaccinations have slowed down. what that might mean in the face of a pandemic. stay with us. stay with us [sizzling]

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others have questions. one survey found 63% of black and latinx adults said they don't have enough information about where to get a shot. meanwhile, most states are seeing a drop in cases, but in some surging pockets of the country, restrictions not relaxed, instead, reupped. >> at this moment we are moving backwards. >> reporter: oregon is seeing a 50% rise in infections while hospitals in colorado are caring for the most covid patients since january. >> if you haven't yet been vaccinated, you are at very high risk for contracting this virus right now. >> reporter: in west virginia, the state is offering a $100 savings bond to residents between 16 and 35 who get vaccinated. at the bucks game sunday, families in milwaukee can score

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can get herd immunity? are you worried? >> i'm not that confident. we've seen this in israel. the cases don't really decline until we hit around that 60% to 65% benchmark. in new hampshire we've already reached that at 60%, and guess what, the numbers are starting to decline. but we're not going to get down into containment mode, really see these big plummets in trans mission until we hit 50%. it's a pretty high bar, and it's a really high bar when you consider that 20% of the u.s. population is ineligible to receive a vaccine because they're under the age of 12. so that means -- so we have to get 70% of that -- we have to go from 70% to 80%, pretty much every adult and adolescent has to be vaccinated. that's where vaccine hesitancy

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provide access to quality affordable child care. [ applause ] we guarantee when i propose the new legislation, we guarantee that low, middle-income families will pay no more than 7% of their income for high-quality care for children up to the age of 5. the most hard-pressed working families won't have to spend a dime. >> that was president biden last night on the huge part of his american family plan. hundreds of billions of dollars to help low and middle-income families around high-quality child care. joining me now is my colleague stephanie ruhle. steph, you know this, i know this. child care is insanely expensive. and the cost of it alone puts it out of reach for millions of americans, or it forces others to make impossible or very difficult decisions. tell me what this plan would do. >> long before the pandemic, you know this country was a child

care desert. but if there's one thing that president biden clearly spoke about last night, it was jobs. and you and i can debate whether or not child care is considered infrastructure. but it is foundational. if you want to get parents back to work, you have to create child care solutions affordable, child care. no child care, no job. so, i actually sat down with some child care providers and families who are in the middle of this difficult situation. take a look. >> at the height of the pandemic and with her children out of school, la tashia kendrick had to make a difficult decision. stay home with her three kids or keep her job. >> i was going to quit if i had to. >> reporter: eight months later, the single mom is still without a job. >> i'm go back to work if i can have child care. >> reporter: is it a vicious cycle, no child care, no job. no job, no child care? >> yeah, it really is.

>> reporter: it's not just parents struggling, child care centers are being hit hard too. last year, many parents pulled kids out because of fierce ofrts virus. facilities had to limit for social distancing. now 1 in 6 child care workers are out of a job. is your business making a lot less money than it was a year ago? >> oh, yes, absolutely. 50% less. >> reporter: cecilia montero has been running a child care center for nearly 40 years. >> we suffered. >> reporter: do you think it will come back? >> i don't know. >> reporter: how come? >> because still, a lot of people don't have a job. >> reporter: president biden is proposing $225 billion to invest in child care centers. increase wages for workers to a minimum of $15 an hour. and make child care affordable, for low and middle-income families. this on top of the $39 billion already targeted to shore up the industry. some relief in a year where everyone has paid a price.

do you think our children feel it? >> of course. they feel it just like we feel it. >> katy, you and i are both very lucky works moms who have child care. but this is massively important to people across the country. it's sort of a central tenet of build back better. because we can't go back to normal. normal in good enough. it's a whole lot of money, $200 billion. whether or not it gets passed is unclear. but it's encouraging to all sorts of families i'm sure you would agree to see an administration to put focus on this. >> you know what you said about this being a vicious cycle. and the mom's response, yeah, it is, i need child care for a job. i need a job for child care. for americans who work hard it's frankly out of reach. stephanie ruhle, thank you for bringing that report. always good to see you, my friend. that is going to do it for me

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good afternoon, everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. president biden is marking his 100th day in office by visiting georgia in support of his multitrillion proposals to boost the american economy which you're seeing some strong signs of growth today with this morning's weekly unemployment claims hitting a pandemic era low. i'm going to talk to white house communications director kate bedingfield about what is next. but right now, the president is about 150 miles south of atlanta. he's in plains, georgia, visiting there with another president. jimmy carter and his wife rosalynn carter. back in 1976, biden was the first to declare his support for president jimmy