with our thanks for being with us here with us. have a good weekend unless you have other plans. for all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. ♪♪ happy friday night, mike pence has a brother. his name is greg. he looks just like mike pence. well he looks just like you would imagine mike pence is older brother to look. i mean, family resemblance, it's a powerful thing. same hairdo, really, same cheeks? same feet. same smile. it kind of creeps up on the right-hand side. their noses are so similar it's like the actually just share windows. are you using the nose tonight or can i have it? mike, check the shine of sheet, it is tuesday! it's my turn for the nose.

greg pence is now a republican congressman from indiana. how did he get the gig? well he does share a nose with vice president mike pence. and the seat he holds is from his little brother's old district in congress. older brother greg pence did not seem destined for congress. before his little brother became trump's vice president. greg pants like ran gas stations and convenience stores in his previous life. and some strip malls for antiques and stuff. but when his brother went to the white house that was his chance. so now greg pants is in congress. now gregg pence has put out a multiple siren alert to his constituents back in indiana. looks like this. siren! hoosier small business owners, siren, red alert. help is on the way, he says.

help is on the way for those in the food and a restaurant industry, how nice. congressman greg pence letting his constituents at home in indiana know he is delivering for them, help is on the way. if you run a restaurant in congressman pence is district he has imported information for you. how you register to get covid relief, financial help from the new restaurant revitalization fund. how nice of congressman greg pence to do the practical work to deliver that help home to indiana. so that he can say hope is on the way. one problem, congressman greg pence voted against it. he voted against this thing he is now touting. the restaurant revitalization fund is part of president biden's covid relief bill. greg pence voted no on that. but that is not stopping him from telling all his constituents right now that help is on the way. the help that he tried to stop. that he voted against.

the number two democrat and the house said this. quote, glad to hear you think the american people deserve some help recovering from the effects of covid-19. representative greg pence. didn't seem quite that way when you voted against the american rescue plan that created the restaurant fund. but it's not just greg pence. he's not alone. here for example is texas republican congresswoman bet van dine. doing the exact same thing. touting to her constituents how much help is on the way. to them. thanks to their hardworking congresswoman. who herself voted no on these covid relief funds that she is now touting as a valuable new program for people in her home district. the revitalization fund is also a program all the resin funded through the american rescue plan, which you voted against! something from republican

congresswoman claudia tinny. of new york. promoting these new covid relief funds to her constituents. as if she helped get them when actually she voted to stop them from happening. congress for your with a block shot as well. quote, promoting this program now doesn't erase the fact that you didn't vote for this assistance, new yorkers won't be fooled. same thing in wisconsin. republican congressman glenn grothman, you guys, help is coming, help is on the way. and then the smackdown from the chair of the wisconsin democratic party, friendly reminder, congressman glen grothman voted against the relief he is now promoting at home in wisconsin. republican congresswoman elise stefanik of new york same deal. she even uses that mike pence older brother style siren. once again, promoting this great new relief plan to her district. you guys, come and get it! i'm elise stefanik, here's your

covid relief funds! eric swalwell in a response of this when, quote, he says, perhaps you should have voted for it. if you wanted to take credit for it and try to convince your constituents they're getting it because of you. they are getting it despite your best efforts. talking points memo has been tracking some of these over the past couple days. we've been following them as well. particularly the democratic responses. because it's a peculiar sort of compliment and occurs at the same time for the democrats. if you are part of the party, supporting the administration, that's getting stuff done, passing things into law, making a real, positive difference in people's lives, because of the law that made those programs, the relief possible, the law itself is really popular.

the programs themselves are popular. if you are part of that, if you have been conceding the legislation, supporting it, working it through congress, voting for it, good. good for you, right? good for you politically. that is what politicians are supposed to be trying to do for their constituents, and generally the constituents want to reward and keep voting for elected officials who are able to do that kind of thing for them. we're able to practically deliver important and appreciated help when needed. that is a complimentary side of doing your job well, of getting popular, affective stuff done for the american people. your constituents are probably going to like you for doing it. the other side of it however is the impostors. right? the sort of curse that goes along with it is that yeah who's who had nothing to do with it, worse, who actively worked against it, the most shameless among them will actually try to take credit for your work. the most shameless republicans will try to take credit for

what they tried to stop. and they will try to take credit for these things that democrats passed only because they had enough votes to overcome all the republicans voting no. the democratic party, i think, has recognized this was going to be a risk of them getting good stuff done in congress. republicans would try to take credit for even after voting no. the democratic party has been trying to find it off in a number of different initiatives. all basically trying to remind americans that the republicans voted no on this stuff that they are now trying to claim credit fourth. even rent tv ads recently. they've been putting up billboards like this one. congressional and senate democrats we've been able to get this done. help us here. no thanks to these republicans, and this case ronson of wisconsin who voted in no. did you know that? are they trying to take credit for what we did? do not let them. they were against it. we're here to let you know. it's been a concerted almost ham fisted but concerted effort

by the democrats to make sure that republicans at least have a hard time trying to take credit for something that they oppose, that the democrats did not. but if you were greg pence, if you were elise stefanik, any of those other republicans, but would you be trying to take credit for right now? if you felt like it's about time, 100 days into the new administration, under days since inauguration, the election is coming up and not too long, i have to talk to my constituents about something they're going to like me for. what are your options? you have to imagine republicans, especially ones where we'd about getting reelected, are trying to find something to attach themselves to that seems popular. right? they don't have very many options because republicans across the country are actually working on, getting done, our huge sidon, draconian rollbacks

of voting rights and every state where republicans have control. it was a easy inconvenient for democrats and republicans this year with expanded early voting, drop boxes for your ballots, absentee ballots, voted by mail? yes it was easier to vote. in many places in the country. covid restrictions that made us where we as a country about whether or not people were going to be able to get out and cast their ballots made us think creatively. thinking expansively about all the safe and secure ways people could submit their ballots. and voters of all stripes took advantage of those conveniences. we had a great voter turnout even in the midst of the pandemic. republicans all across the country are working furiously now to make voting as inconvenient and difficult as possible. which they think they need to do because they think that will help them win in future elections. because they think that poor people, people with fewer resources will not be able to navigate the maze if they make the maze difficult enough. so those people end up not voting, the remaining

electorate will be more republican hopefully. that is their calculus. but in order to get there, in many cases they're making it harder to vote for everyone. and taking away popular, convenient ways to vote. even their own voters are not going to like that. that is a hard thing to brag on. but that really is what they are working on, policy wise, coast to coast, voting rights rollback has passed the legislature in florida today. that is even more draconian than with the republican state in georgia. that florida bill is on its way to the republican governors desk, governor ron desantis says of course he will sign it. texas republicans are on their way to pass a voting rights rollback that is even more draconian than that. i mean that is really what they are working on. if my party, i was an elected official, the party that only had that to brag on as the most concerted policy accomplishment right now? don't worry we are making it

way harder to vote, did you find it easier this year? we're taking care of it, it will never happen again. i mean if that was a major, concerted policy effort, that set of accomplishments of my party this year, i as well might be tempted to take credit for somebody else is work that is popular instead of whatever actually been doing, which is not popular. but this is what the republican party is working on. both in terms of, we have all divisions, in terms of how we talk about republicans. the trump republicans, the conspiratorial qanon republicans. it's the paleo conservatives. it's the traditionalist, the establishment republicans. establishment republicans, trump republicans, all republicans have been working all along as one, big unhappy family to pass a voting restrictions everywhere. where do you draw the line in terms of which types of republicans are working on this scheme in arizona? i mean this may come from a

really kooky part of the trump world of the republican party. but republicans in arizona really are, all of them, continuing with this bizarre, and at times sort of ridiculous, but to them dead serious effort to redo the 2020 presidential election count in arizona. the republicans in the state senate in arizona hired a mysterious company run by qanon conspiracy theory guy with no experience at all in anything related to elections. they hired him to do it. and there is a plan for how they would undo the travesty that donald trump lost arizona to joe biden, the vague plan to undo it is to give millions of ballots from the arizona presidential race, two thirds of them cast it in the election, to this firm run by the qanon conspiracy theory guy. and he will not say exactly what he's going to do with those millions of ballots. he won't even say exactly who he hired to handle them.

but trust him, he is going to have a look, a hard look. after that, a good long look at all the ballots doing lord knows what's with them, after that he will tell arizona republicans with the real election result was. never mind it's already been certified. it's been audited professionally twice. a hand recount supervised by both parties. it's been certified at the state, local level, the state level, the electoral college votes have been tallied. but now they're getting the real results from the qanon guy they gave all the ballots to. that's really happening. we're going to have more on the bizarre story coming up later this hour. republicans are really trying to establish a new founding myth for the american right that the real 2020 election results were all somehow suspect, once they get their own hands, their own people looking at the ballots, they were able to prove, at least assert meaningfully, that trump really one, biden is not president. that new founding myth for the

this authentication of american voting results. that's what they're working on. yes, i would take credit for the restaurant relief fund as well, even if i voted against it, i suppose if those were my shoes. but the story that keeps getting worse, and worse, and worse, and worse for them right now is this still developing story of the active federal criminal investigation that led to fbi raids this week targeting former president trump's personal lawyer. this is the wall street journal tonight. matching reporting in the new york times last night, further advancing the story about what the search warrants executed at the home and office of rudy giuliani this week were reportedly focused on. wall street journal matching the new york times reporting that the refocus at least in significant part on this sea with official, maria yovanovitch. career foreign service officer, why the respected, seen as a fierce anti-corruption

advocate. serving as u.s. ambassador in ukraine. she was fired by the trump administration. after a relentless campaign by mr. giuliani and his clown car of associates to try to get her fired. the story that is emerging, that seems to be at the heart of the criminal case against mr. giuliani, if the contours of the search warrant is any guide, is basically that while trump was president mr. giuliani was working as his lawyer, he marketed himself abroad. he marketed himself to various corrupt all the guards in ukraine. advertising in effect that has president trump's lawyer, somebody with president trump's ear, he could deliver u.s. government action. he could in fact deliver something that corrupt oligarchy would really like in ukraine. he could arrange to get rid of maria yovanovitch. the u.s. ambassador known to be a fierce warrior against corruption. the ongoing question, the interesting question in terms of mr. giuliani's legal liability here is whether he

was essentially selling that to these various guys in ukraine for something in return. he would get rid of the anti-corruption u.s. ambassador, always in the way of all these things these guys wanted to do, but in exchange these various dudes who wanted that in ukraine had a menu of things they could pay. they could hire or pay rudy and company, including other american lawyers, rudy associates who fit into the clown car with him, they could pay, they could hire direct money toward, bring on as a consultant. rudy and his associates. and these ukrainians got the u.s. ambassador ousted, he could also, in effect, pay by delivering to mr. giuliani anti joe biden political ammunition from ukraine. to benefit the trump reelection campaign. now in the case of one particular oligarch, the story told by lev pardis. one of mr. giuliani's

associates who worked with him on the scheme, now under indictment for the seventh district of new york, in the case of one particular ukrainian all the guard customer service and a lot of this recent reports this week since giuliani's home in office were raided, in the case of this when all the arctic feels a little different. this was dimitri firtash, who himself is under u.s. indictment under felony charges. they've been trying for years to extradite him to the u.s. to face trial on these multiple felonies. and they're saying that the deal offered to him was that in exchange for helping generate anti joe biden political animation to be used in the 2020 election to benefit donald trump has reward would be help with william barr and the justice department under donald trump to help keep him from being extradited to the u.s. and further delay or derail his u.s. prosecution. if that was the offered quid pro quo that creates all sort of interesting implications. both for mr. giuliani in terms

of what he was offering, with he and his socialists were selling to discuss in ukraine, but also what they said they could deliver an exchange. if they can deliver action by the u.s. justice department, or lack of action by them, then people inside the u.s. justice department willing to effectuate it for them as part of this scheme, while, maybe they're going to be in the crosshairs here as well. i mean everybody involved, from mr. giuliani mr. dmytro firtash, everybody, denies every kind of wrongdoing in this, suffice to say. but the fact remains that some of these deliverables were delivered. u.s. ambassador maria yovanovitch was in fact fired as a result of this smear campaign run against her by rudy giuliani and his cast of characters. she was fired by mark pompeo. mr. pompeo, would you like to talk about your wrote in effectuating that deliverable as part of the scheme?

the indicted oligarch, dmytro firtash, did have his case brought to the u.s. department of justice at the high's role. and in fact mr. firtash has not been extradited to the united states to face trial on those multiple now long-standing felony corruption charges. and in terms of deliverables, mr. giuliani did jack home a whole bunch of agenda up fake allegations against joe biden and his family that were designed to hurt him in the election. interestingly, in a way, as part of the story that's too often overlooked, where did giuliani actually get those deliverables? there were people in ukraine. they came forward to help rudy with the anti biden political ammunition. that donald trump and rudy giuliani, certain members of republican members of congress and media outlets would in fact try to use to damage his chances in the election. the people came forward in

ukraine to help giuliani actually get that stuff. they developed that stuff. creating tv shows about it, doing podcast about that stuff. they turned out to be russian intelligence. we are right? two other people who rudy giuliani worked on the scheme, who got information from about the biden family in ukraine, two of those people have since been sanctioned by the u.s. government it within the past year as agents of the kremlin. as agents of the russian federation who were part of an active russian intelligence effort to mess with the u.s. election in 2020 just as russian intelligence mess with it in 2016. i it wasn't like a bewildering surprise to mr. giuliani at least. the washington post reported last night that mr. giuliani was warned in advance about the fbi that the people he was in contact with, trying to work with this on, were connected to

russian intelligence. he was given a defensive briefing by the fbi and 2019 that he was being used or that he was part of a russian intelligence operation targeting the u.s. election. after getting that defensive briefing he went ahead with it anyway. also warned by the fbi, republican u.s. senator ron johnson of wisconsin. who was reportedly warned by the fbi, counter intelligence officers at the fbi, that his role in this as well was something orchestrated by the kremlin. his efforts to surface this muck against joe biden, the joined up allegations, surfacing it in the u.s. senate and conservative media, he was warned those efforts were down by russian intelligence operations targeting the u.s. election in which he was being used as effectively and operative.

nevertheless he persisted with his efforts. the thing i think has been sort of lost here, the reason why i raise some of these issues in this context is because in the anti joe biden's mere effort in the ukraine, the same for which rudy giuliani is in the crosshairs of the justice department, the scene that led to giuliani's home and office being raided by the fbi this week, this really was 2020's russian intelligence operation against our election on behalf of donald trump. it was a variation on a theme of the anti hillary clinton stuff that russian intelligence joined up, pumped out in 2016. also intending to benefit donald trump, trying to get him into the white house. the way they did it in 2020 didn't have the additional benefit to russia of being designed to weaken ukraine while putin is occupying part of the country, trying to eat more of it, taking it into russia. but the basic theory was the

same. the basic operation was the same. in 2016 we could credibly claim to be blindsided. in 2020 not only did we know that we they just done it in 2016 but the people who were at the tip of the spear in getting it done in making sure the russian operation bore fruit in the united states were personally overtly warned by the fbi that was going on. they did it anyway. wisconsin u.s. senator ron johnson was the chief launderer of the anti biden junk that giuliani cobbled together in ukraine from russian intelligence sources. he and mr. giuliani were personally warned in 2019, 2020, by the fbi that they were being used by russian influence operation. didn't apparently give them pause at all. and so where are we as a country? where are we as citizens looking at this? what if we had just been

through it on the subject? after what they did in 2016, to realize what russia did, to come to terms with what they did, to realize the guy who benefited from it, arguably colluded with it, had just been elected president of the united states and was going to serve for four years as president of the united states after benefiting from this effort to install him in office by the russian federation. he spent his four years in office toting vladimir putin publicly, taking all sorts of steps to help russia and putin. right? weakening nato, undermining ukraine, taking u.s. troops out of germany, ordering u.s. military exercises out of south korea, trying to get russia back into the g8, making a response to russia's efforts to assassinate navalny. no effort to respond to russian agents assassinating another critic of the russian government in broad daylight, in a park in berlin. no response to russian support

for a dictatorship cracking down on its people brutally in the streets in belarus. trump telling ukraine to announce an investigation into ukraine interfering in our 2016 election as if it were them in russia. all of these things that trump did as president to benefit russia after russia intervene in our election to stall him, that, i cannot believe we lived through it. it was nuts. it was honestly nuts. it aged me 25 years. in five years. as you can tell. [laughs] but now here we are. right? 2016, we know what they did. we lived through four years of consequences are the beneficiary of the attack being in the oval office. but four years after 2016 they did it again. and now it's different, right? for a warrant is for a warrant. we know they did it in 2016, we expected it in 2020, we now know how they did it. but now there's somebody else

in the white house. the u.s. government will respond -- without somebody at the helm of the u.s. government who appears to have been both the beneficiary and the happy beneficiary of those interventions by a hostile foreign power. and now the question is, you know, what is the proper response to this from a president who isn't in on it? t one it was not sympathetic, wo is the target now and not the beneficiary. what does he do in response? we have 101 days of watching it so far. so for the response is basically much tougher talk. at every level, and the head of state level, from the u.s. towards russia. we've also seen a couple u.s. coast guard cutters go to the black seat. we've seen some sanctions from the biden government. but mostly, interestingly, it has been handled as a law enforcement matter. and as a matter of public

disclosure. right? to have the officer of national intelligence tell us, yes, this is how russian interfered. to have the justice department, the treasury department, announced russian agents who are part of it, sanction them, declare exactly what it was that they did. but in terms of law enforcement response if the former president's lawyer, rudy giuliani, is indeed prosecuted for his role in facilitating the 2020 russian attack to try to keep trump in office, that really would be something. but in terms of giuliani and senator ron johnson having been told ahead of time that what they were doing was benefiting and russian attack on our election, knowing an informed collaboration but a sitting u.s. senator -- i don't know if that's the sort of thing anybody gets

prosecuted for. i don't know what the crime would be there. but should we expect consequences for ron johnson now that we know he's actually confirmed that the fbi did warn him in advance? he went ahead with what he was doing anyway. what kind of consequences are ahead for him? what kind of consequences are ahead for mr. giuliani and, in his case can we tell anything about it from the investigation so far and what we know was in the search warrants that were punctuated in the raids on his home and office this week? hold that thought. ♪ i never needed anyone. ♪ front desk. yes, hello... i'm so... please hold. ♪ those days are done. ♪ i got you. ♪ all by yourself. ♪ go with us and find millions of flexible options. all in our app. expedia. it matters who you travel with.

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who got a search warrant executed at rudy giuliani's home in business this week there's maybe no person more qualified to talk about with the investigators may be looking for the my next guest. dana goldman it was a scene investigator for the intelligence committee in the house when they examine giuliani's efforts to gin up anti joe biden scandals and ukraine. and president trump's participation. he subsequently served as a lead counsel for the house democrats and the person patient of president trump. he's also a former senior prosecutor in the southern district of new york, the u.s. attorney's office now investigating mr. giuliani. dana goldman, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me rachel. >> i tried to put in some context, at least in terms of my personal understanding of all this stuff. how important it is that the investigators and giuliani are

taking this public facing steps right now. the steps that cannot be hidden coming to his office, come into his home. collecting electronic devices. what do you think is most important for people to understand about this case and what point the case is at? >> well i think it's an indication once you go overt. it kind of went overt last fall when there was reporting about bill barr, the deputy attorney general squash in the southern district offered to get the search warrant. when you go overt, you know that it's dotting the eyes crossing the tees. in a situation like this. giuliani himself has acknowledged that he's at least been told, or his lawyer has, that the southern district and the fbi got his eye cloud account pursuant to research mourned in 2019. i would imagine there had been others along the way for his emails. there had been a number of subpoenas undoubtedly for his bank records.

and for other contracts or other agreements that he may have. and we also heard reporting that the fbi was in regular contact with ukraine officials while those ukrainian officials were working with giuliani. this is the end of the investigation, and i think they've given the sort of sensational nature of a 6 am raid on his apartment and office. i think it's unlikely they would do something like that if they didn't feel like they had enough evidence to charge him already. >> mr. giuliani has vociferously denounced the investigation. he said the warrant was unwarranted, illegal. his subsistent defense has been boil down to his claims that he wasn't paid to do the work he did. therefore it cannot be

construed as criminal. what do you make of the defense? does it actually makes sense as a defense to the kinds of charges he may be facing? >> giuliani's best defense is that he was working in support of donald trump's political reelection efforts. that is why he wanted yovanovitch to be removed. that's why he was digging up dirt on biden. that is what everything was about. dirt on biif he was working on f donald trump slowly then he didn't need to register with the doj. if however he was working on behalf of any ukrainian officials whose interests may be aligned with donald trump's, but if he was working on their behalf and then he needs to register with the doj. for a very important reason. so that the u.s. government knows if there's any bias or any conflict of interest. or where giuliani's interests lie. and so if he actually was not

paid that is not enough to absolve him because you don't have to be paid under this law. but in this situation where he has a viable defense this was a political i would suspect the southern district one third to be some exchange of something of value like money, either directly to giuliani or to him through other associates. and we saw some of that during the impeachment investigation. it is not farfetched at all. there were retainer agreements between giuliani as well as lawyers with the same ukrainian officials who were supposed to pay them in order to do the same thing that they investigated them for the impeachment. >> dan goldman, lead counsel for the democrats in the first impeachment, which was on these matters and related matters.

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>> in the vaccine we heard about the injection of a tracking device, right? nope! the covid vaccine does not implant into you a secret government tracking device. i know that is one of the truly netball conspiracy theories floating around about the coronavirus vaccine. but there are a lot of them. there's a whole contingent of people in the country who for a laundry list of reasons don't want the vaccine, too scared about what might happen if they get it, it maybe they've heard something crazy like that. it might be they heard something less crazy sounding that came from somebody they trust. maybe they are just scared, they just want to put their head down and avoid it all. we are running up against that vaccine hesitancy sealing in this country. in terms of people who can now get the vaccine, who can easily access it if they want to. but they don't. that cannot be the end of the story however. as a country we cannot just give up, consider all those people already vaccinated will

not be. we're not anywhere near close enough with having enough people vaccinated to give up now. so how do you approach it? you have to innovate. you have to be persistent. you have to think outside the box. you have to try new things. west virginia for example announced this week if you're between 16 and 35 years old, you get a vaccine, they will give you $100. and that is something to try. here's something from minnesota. minnesota they called it a mobile strict team. i know it looks like other vaccine sites around the country. this is a pop-up vaccine site. the minnesota health department partnered with a health care system called the central care. what they do is talk to people all over the state of minnesota. particularly rural areas. trying to find little pockets of people who are slow, reluctant, too worried to get the vaccine. and the important thing is that once they find communities of folks like that they go there. they go to that community, whatever site in that community

makes the most sense. they bring nurses, syringes, a vaccines. and patients, a willingness to answer any question and talk you through anything you want to talk to about it. if you are looking at just sheer volume, you may end up vaccinating fewer people at a clinic like this then if you bribe people with cash, open up an arena. but when we're running up against peoples multi variant reasons for not wanting to take it there so substitute for talking to people in the community. sensing out the specific reasons why people have not been vaccinated yet. one thing it finds you have to people who are hardest to change their minds. for whom it's hardest to. you can put real information in their hands. this mobile clinic will set you up one-on-one with a nurse to answer all questions, however many. and to make it convenient. the mobile strike teams come to school, they come to your work, they come to the place you go to church or mosque. they come to your local foundry. yes, that is where the strike team was this week.

a foundry in st. cloud. we have some fascinating footage from that. we talk to the plant manager there. about why he wanted this mobile clinic set up for his workers at the foundry. we talked to a few of the employees and families that ended up getting the shot there. watch this. >> we were trying to see what we could do to entice people to actually get the shot. get the vaccine. we had a little bit of a surge last fall. and almost crippled the plant. we didn't want to go through it again. so we started looking for options. started looking fo options. i figured it was a good idea to help my family out. >> i haven't been looking far into it. haven't been around very long. so... you know, i don't know if all the side effects have been noted yet. >> would you decided that it's better to do it then not? >> well, i have loved ones who,

you know, i don't want to pass it to them if i were to get it. >> i think we have 82 to 90 people sign up for this. we still have a number of people that are afraid of getting the shot, the fear of the unknown. however my personal opinion is you should fear the known and the known as people get sick. people die from this. we've got to protect ourselves and our loved ones. >> this is a very different approach than opening up a giant convention center, right? opening up baseball stadium and expecting people to come by the thousands. some of that is still happening in our country, but to find people who need to talk it through, who need to sit there with the health professional and talk about why they haven't wanted it, people who won't get it unless it's convenient, this is how we will get there. it's the way we will get to herd immunity. this one clinic got to more

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recognized by the national psoriasis foundation and national eczema association. >> some of the things that we hear are that people just prefer not to get it. maybe they just don't have enough information, maybe they have a personal belief. really, you know, we are trying to provide education and outreach, answer any questions they have without providing pressure. ultimately, it's getting past those personal questions and beliefs that we've been most effective. coming to them, meeting them where they are, that's been very helpful in getting people vaccinated. that's why our mobile team is about, meeting people where they are, at going to them where they might not go to a traditional clinic. >> that's actually jude, a program coordinator from mobile vaccine program in minnesota that's doing work to find

unvaccinated pockets of that state where they can so they could try and get a shot, get a vaccine to every single possible person that can. by hearing someone, out going to people where they are as you heard her say. if we are ever going to beat this epidemic, this work as what we are going to have to do in every state all over the country to get. they're even a small scale. actually jude with the central care health system in minnesota joins us live. mr., thanks for being with us. i appreciate learning about your work and taking time to be here. >> thanks for having me to talk about it. >> given what you've seen on the ground with what your team have been doing, what's working? when we drop into these communities, your team comes face to face with people who have been unsure if they want to get vaccinated, maybe thought they didn't want to get vaccinated. what works? >> so, engaging the community before we go out there has really been the most effective practice. we've done for that is if we

are going to a local community, we talk to people who talked to people, who had a influence, their members of the church, maybe it's a business and we really just want to engage them. they are trusted people at a community, and we are making waves when we get out. there sometimes it takes a pass or two. we might go a couple different times to see how many we can get each time, but we are building trust. we are building relationships. engagement from the community, from those that are willing and interested to talk to us. >> does that mean when you go to different types of communities and different sites, maybe in one community it will go to a mosque, and when you are going to go to a -- lucky to this week. one community it will go to a church or a community center. does that mean you essentially taylor and reinvent the exact

approach for each new place to go? for each community you visit? >> exactly. we set up a clinic, it's the same every single sight. how we practice is the same. what's different is how we address and work with people beforehand. we did go to mosques, we go to businesses, we go to church. as we vaccinate on the fly because that's what's needed. we adapt as we go. ultimately, we are kind of a jack of all trades and we can go anywhere to do this service. the outreach is what's different whether you engage them on a multiple times beforehand whether you send a education team beforehand, whether you have a local location that's helpful. we've seen that it's a church in their community. like some comfortable enough to come in and have the conversation and that's what we need to do to get people into

start the conversation. we answer questions they have. we provide data and facts and have that personal connection. at a place that's familiar them. >> we've started such a scary discussion about whether or not there is a ceiling on the number of americans who want to get vaccinated. whether or not with this pandemic ultimately because they're from so many americans who will always reject the vaccine and won't want to go there for various reasons. do you believe that? having done this work on the front lines? do you think if we approach this nimbly enough we could get enough people vaccinated? so that we, as a country, get across the finish line? ge>> that is the hope. we know there is always going to be a population that just don't support vaccines. that's their right, that's their relief. we are there to get those people that are open enough to have a conversation or ask questions about their health or their loved ones.

or about the vaccine safety. those are the ones who are trying to reach. it does get harder and harder. people have their beliefs. so, if they can come in the door, that's a win that we can get them in their to ask their questions. so they aren't resorting to the inundation of information online, or social media. we've heard lots about drew much information on there. having that personal conversation with a nurse has really been effective. >> actually good, program courtney nader for central cares mobile vaccine teams in minnesota. thank you for helping us understand your work and thanks for your time tonight. i feel the work you and your colleagues are doing is the future. more places are going to have to do work exactly like this in order for us to get there as a country. thanks for your work. >> thank you so much. >> we will be right back. stay with us.

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