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good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "alex witt reports." developing this hour, it's now up to congress to get to work after president biden laid out his infrastructure and families plan. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle today expressing their early positions on the nearly $4 trillion proposal. republicans and democrats appear to be far apart on any sort of compromise. >> in is a staggering amount of spending like someone with a new credit card. these are for things we don't necessarily need. we certainly can't afford. but they're going to delight the
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liberal left of the party. >> i think there is a consensus, at least within the democratic caucus that now is the time to start protecting working families and the middle class and not just the 1%. >> meanwhile, new reaction on capitol hill over congressman matt gaetz after the daily beast published a letter reportedly written by gaetz's associate, joel greenberg to roger stone. the daily beast says greenberg claims gaetz paid for sex. nbc has not seen the letter. gaetz denies wrongdoing and hasn't been charged with anything. last hour congresswoman debbie dingell pleaded for lawmakers to take action in the house. >> i think kevin mccarthy has a moral responsibility to his republican caucus to ensure these investigations are going forward, the house ethics committee is involved in it. and that this needs to be quickly addressed.
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i do believe that we've got to protect people's rights to due process, but i sure hope the republican caucus is as deeply disturbed as a lot of us are. while india grapples with a record coronavirus outbreak, the biden administration is defending its efforts to help as it faces criticism for its response, as calls grow to waive intellectual property rights to vaccines and other products. jake sullivan signaling today there could soon be movement on the issues. >> we believe that the pharmaceutical companies should be supplying at scale and at cost to the entire world so that there is no barrier to everyone getting vaccinated. our ambassador, our u.s. trade representative, is engaged in intensive consultations at the wto to work through this issue. and we should have a way forward in the coming days. >> lots to talk about there. let's go now to nbc's mike in
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white house. >> a key part of the republican argument. you hear some democrats expressing concern about the price tag of what the president is proposing, the multi-trillions of dollars. the white house talks about it in terms of investment. they say this country can't afford to not be making those investments in roads, bridges, infrastructure from a global competitiveness standpoint, when you have places like china doing the same. also in terms of the human infrastructure component. i talked recently with mike donnell, the message guru of the white house. he says having affordable child care is just as important for working families as the bridge they have to drive over to get to work. now, that's the big 30,000-foot message. we heard this morning from janet yellen with chuck todd on "meet the press." she got into why the economy
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needs these investments as well. take a listen. >> so, the spending that's been proposed in the jobs plan and in the families plan, it comes into effect once the economy is back on track. i don't believe inflation will be an issue, but if it becomes an issue, we have tools to address it. >> reporter: now, alex, this is a white house, this is a president who really believes in using the presidential bully pulpit to make this case. they will continue to do so this week. the president, who was in georgia and philadelphia last week, will be hitting the road tomorrow to the norfolk area of southern virginia later this week, heading as well to louisiana. the vice president, kamala harris, she'll be in milwaukee as well as rhode island this week as they try to make the argument that, yes, there is republican opposition, perhaps, in washington to these plans. but as we've seen, there has been bipartisan support, at least among voters in these public polling that demonstrates
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some support for their plan as well. that's a key part of their case, alex. >> absolutely, mike memoli, thank you for that. now to the reaction to the raid and seizure of electronic device for rudy giuliani. a source says they are looking for items. giuliani has denied any wrongdoing. giuliani's attorney says the former new york city mayor and lawyer said that the -- rather, said the former new york city mayor's lawyer said he spoke out against yovanovitch because in his view she was undermining trump. all right. let's get to msnbc's cory kaufman joining me. what more are we hearing about this? >> reporter: a source familiar with the investigation tells nbc news there were three separate warrants issued. one for electronics at giuliani's home, a second for electronics at his office,
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including his secretary's computer, and a third for toensing's electronics. her name appears on an extensive list on the warrants. many people who are listed under these warrants are listed as possibly having contact with giuliani and ambassador yovanovitch. that includes les parnas, and among many others. reaction continues to pour in. we heard from congressman adam schiff regarding this investigation. listen to what he said. >> the focus of the investigation appears to be, was rudy giuliani, this person who was basically communicating with members of the congress, with the president, was he secretly working for a foreign power? because he was making money from it or because there was some other bargain, that is, you help me get rid of the ambassador so
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i can help the president get ukraine to do these sham investigations, and i will help you in some other way or i'll help you get rid of the ambassador for ukrainian reasons. i think that's really the predominant focus. is it possible they'll find other corrupt things in his electronics, without a doubt? that is certainly possible. i wouldn't speculate what that is or who that may involve. >> reporter: alex, to reiterate, giuliani has denied any wrongdoing and is also not been charged with a crime. he is calling these searches illegal now. over the past several days he has said they are unnecessary. he said he was willing to work with the fbi to provide them information. now he's gone so far to say his constitutional rights were infringed upon because when they took the eight to ten devices, they also seized some privileged attorney/client information. alex? >> cori coffin, thanks from
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manhattan. joining me now, colorado senator, michael bennett of the agriculture, intelligence and finance committee. good morning. welcome to see you. i'm interested in the probe into rudy giuliani. should those who are close to donald trump be worried? >> well, i obviously know almost nothing about that investigation, but i will say that it shows that nobody's above the law. and rudy giuliani, former mayor of new york, is not above the law. donald trump, even though he treated his entire presidency as though he was above the law, is not either. so, this can't be good news for either rudy giuliani or donald trump. >> well, that is a good answer and certainly a truthful one there. let me ask you about the president's american families plan. is calls for a four-year extension of the new $3,000 child tax credit, the child poverty program. that's something you've been promoting for years now. you've made it clear, you want to see this made permanent.
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are you seeing support for that among your senate colleagues? >> no, we actually -- we sent a letter -- 41 of us sent a letter to president biden saying we want to make it permanent. house ways and means committee chairman said he wants to make it permanent. the speaker said she wants to make it permanent. i think we'll find a way to make it permanent. this is the most progressive tax change we've made in our country in generations. it's going to benefit 90% of america's kids and it's going to cut childhood poverty in half this year. i'm very pleased joe biden has included it in his plans. i think we can do even better. >> i have to say on wednesday night the president got a big ovation when he talked about that and the way to cut child poverty. i think that was across the board in the chamber. let me speak about what's happening this week with the president and vice president getting back on the road, trying
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to sell their spending plans. your republican colleagues have made it clear their opposition to the price tag and senator joe manchin. how do you see these ambitious plans making it through the senate? might they be broken up into separate plans? is that concept getting support behind the scenes? >> well, before we talk about breaking it up, i can see why this might be hard for some of my republican colleagues to grasp. unlike the plans they proposed, this plan is paid for. unlike the plans they pass, this plan cuts tasks for working people and raises revenue on the wealthest people in america. they passed plans that gave basically $5 trillion to the wreltyest people in this country since 2001. they didn't pay for a single penny of it. and now they're complaining when a president wants to invest here at home. we spent 20 years cutting taxes
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for the wealthy. we spent 20 years fighting wars in the middle east. it's time for us to invest in our people. it's time for us to invest in our infrastructure as global competitiveness requires it. the chinese government's march across the world requires it. climate change requires it. advancing technologies require it. and the american people want us to do it. these proposals are broadly popular across the country, even if the washington republicans can't quite figure that out. i hope joe biden and kamala harris not only go to blue parts of this country but go to red parts of this country and demonstrate how much better the biden tax cut is for rural america than the trump tax cut was for the wealthiest americans in the country. that's the argument we should be having. >> to your point, joe biden is going to louisiana, and so he'll be going down there and he'll be making a case to those who, by
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nature, might be in opposition. certainly from a political party stance. let's talk about what john barrasso gave his view of how he thinks a deal could be reached. let's take a listen to that. >> i actually believe there's a deal to be had if we leave out things like the green new deal and recyclable cafeteria trays and climate adjustments because $50 billion to $600 billion of infrastructure is a massive amount of infrastructure and we ought to start with the core we passed when i chaired the environment and public works committee. it focuses on the things that people think of as core infrastructure that the president talks about as hard infrastructure. >> what people think about as core infrastructure, i'll pick up on a couple of words you suggested. advancing technologies. is there any sense of forward, big-thinking picture from republicans or is it only about tapping things as they seemingly exist right now?
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>> there has to be. and there is. john cornyn, republican from texas, has been great on semiconductors. he's realized that if we don't do something, we're not going to be able to produce semiconductors in this country. we'll be relying on china. i say the same thing is true for cars. do we want to rely on the chinese government for electric vehicles or do we want to build them here in the united states? advanced bioscience, agriculture. these are all open questions about whether we want to play a role in the 21st century. i think it's critically important we do. the other piece of this that's very important that shouldn't be lost, that for the last 50 years we've had an economy in this country that's worked really well for the top 10%. for 9 out of 10 americans, it really has not worked. it's created enormous income inequality. we have one of the lowest economic mobility rates in the industrial world. we have one of the highest
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childhood poverty rates in the industrialized world. and joe biden is saying, these are not inevitable features it of our society or democracy. my hope is that we can pass bills in a bipartisan way. i think that would be great. i have yet to hear my republican colleagues say what they would support and they're having a hard time supporting the pay fors that joe biden has put forward, which raises taxes basically on the top 1% of the american people and on america's largest corporations. maybe they have other ideas. but we have to move ahead, in any case, for the benefit of the american people and to create an economy that once again when the economy grows, grows for everybody. not just the people at the very top. that's not just important for working people and the middle class. it's critical for our democracy because you cannot have a successful democracy with the lack of economic mobility we've
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seen in this country for the last 50 years. >> i really appreciate your sage insights. thank you for talking to us. let's go to breaking news. dramatic scenes out of uk. a soccer match between manchester united and liverpool is postponed after hundreds of outraged fans invaded the stadium. take a listen to the chaos live as it unfolded on television. >> we have to break into this game. we will keep the game on one side of the screen but we have to show you the scenes unfolding right now on the pitch at old trafford. our commentator arlo white is there. can you tell us more? >> remarkable scenes, rebecca. lee dixon and myself got to the gantry at old trafford early to avoid the protest outside and get to the game safely and in good time. the noise outside was clearly audible from inside the stadium. we heard a couple of loud bangs as well as fireworks went off. then all of a sudden there was a
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loud rattling sound and then the sound of voices getting closer and closer. to the right-hand side, the fans started pouring down the steps. onto the pitch. you can see now one of two fans infiltrating the media area. >> nbc's molly hunter standing by in london for us. this is extraordinary. what's the scene right now? whaetsdz behind this? why are these fans so angry? >> reporter: hey, alex, extraordinary pictures. as you just saw, thousands of fans were outside of that stadium. hundreds actually broke in. they really had to break in. they climbed on goalposts, they climbed up into the stands. they threw flares. this was a violent, angry, fairly small, couple hundred fans, group of people inside that stadium. because of covid restrictions, this manchester/liverpool game that was going to go on tonight, of course it's been postponed. it was supposed to kick off two hours ago. they were not even supposed to
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be inside. no fans were even allowed because of covid restrictions. in is about the manchester united fan base anger at the american ownership. the manchester united team is owned by joel glazer, he also owns the tampa bay buccaneers. there's been deep-seated resentment against the american owner. the final straw was his bid to enter the european super league. the bid failed. but there was a lot of anger over that. that was motivating the big protests and the big numbers we saw today. >> so, molly, are police talking about this? anyone from the premier soccer league about how this happened? >> reporter: the police did show up and they have cleared the scene. the video you just saw with that reporter inside, all of those people have now been cleared outside the stadium. they've been dispersed from the area. there were police. there was a police presence. we did just get a statement from the premier league. i'll read it. we got it minutes ago. the security and safety of everyone at old trafford, that's the stadium, remains of
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paramount importance. we understand and respected the strength of feeling but condemn all acts of violence, criminal damage, trespass, especially given the associated covid-19 breaches. they go on to say, we sympathize with the police. we have asked the police for additional statements and we don't know the date of that postponement. >> they also need to add property destruction. we saw is that guy hauling -- hurling a tripod. molly hunter, thank you so much. as vaccine-deprived india desperately cries for help to cope with its covid crisis, many americans don't seem to care about getting the vaccine. think about that. it's next. it's next. for skin that never holds you back don't settle for silver
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of sheriff's deputies. nbc's von hilliard is there with the very latest. what are we anticipating things to look like this afternoon? last hour there were some people gathering and demonstrations were planned. >> reporter: a gathering is growing. we're right across the street from the viewing of where andrew brown jr. will be this afternoon ahead of his monday funeral service. they're calling this a march for criminal justice reform here. but we expect members of the brown family to be here and on this sunday afternoon, this very march will lead us to the courthouse. now, we expect over the next month, the district attorney, who under north carolina law, is tasked with determining whether those three deputies who fired shots killing andrew broken jr., whether charges will be faced against them. but this afternoon, there's a conversation that's taking place. i want to bring in representative howard hunter, who at the state legislature,
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sir, you actually represent this community here. how has this community over the last week and a half responded here to the killing of andrew brown jr.? >> the citizens in this community are upset, but thank god they are peaceful. it's not like all the areas in the country where you're seeing a lot of devastation where they're tearing up the city. we're holding the peace, waiting for answers, trying to get facts. >> is that in part because of this last year's racial reckoning the country has undergone? what has that looked like at the statehouse, but also here, between the sheriff's office, the you and other leaders? >> at the state level we're tablging reform right now for law enforcement or and stuff going on around the country. we're looking at -- i know we do have three bills in the statehouse right now waiting to be heard. your next question was? >> and for this community here this afternoon, why is this march here, from here to the
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courthouse? >> this march is to show support. it's to be a part of change. we're trying to change law, get answers, make a difference. >> there's a lot, alex, we still do not know. only 20 seconds of video have been released to the family. you have not seen seen this video at this point. >> i have not. >> what is your message to community members who are waiting for that video to hopefully become publicly available at some point, having patience and waiting for justice at the same time? >> you said it, patience. if we've got patience, you'll come up with answers. we need facts to proceed with this case. it's still -- it's still -- waiting for that word. >> waiting for more information. >> correct. waiting for more information to come out from the sheriff's department, the da. once that information comes out, i'm sure it will be released. >> representative hunter, best to you and your community.
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we'll be here with you this afternoon. best to the brown family as well. >> just pray for northeast north carolina and the brown family. >> that viewing happening just across the street for andrew brown jr. we'll be here as they head to the courthouse. >> appreciate you doing that for us. let's go to india where the startling surge in coronavirus cases is crippling hospitals there. today a shipment of oxygen arrived in the eastern part of the country. for the 11th straight day india reported more than 300,000 new infections. covid deaths hit a record again after more than 3,600 people died in one day. alex crawford is in a new it delhi hospital today where health care workers are struggling to keep up. >> reporter: health workers, doctors, nurses, the scale of this crisis, nearly two weeks on, they are still scrambling from hour to hour, trying to
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find oxygen for these patients. >> it is heartbreaking. back in the u.s., health officials in michigan say more people aged 40 and under are hospitalized for covid than those who are 80 and older. that trend is reflected on a national level, according to cdc data. adults under 50 now account for 35% of covid hospitalizations. and americans might have to show proof of vaccination before traveling to canada. the country reportedly plans to require a vaccine passport for incoming travelers and create a system to help its own citizens travel internationally. joining me now, dr. badelia. let's talk about what we're seeing in india. what are we actually going to see that aid make a difference? is this global effort to help india, is it a short-term bandage for a bigger problem in that country?
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>> i think you nailed it, there's two faces to this crisis. you reported 3,600 deaths, it's now 3,700 for sunday. that's a severe underestimate. from what "the new york times" reported, some of the biggest cities in india are seeing their skies gray because of the cremations of thousands of bodies. we're missing how big it is and not only, that the deaths we're seeing today, we know this from our own experience, deaths are a lagging indicator. india said 2.5 million cases, which means the death tallies will go up in the next few weeks. in the setting of this, india is rushing to vaccinate as many people as possible. and has stopped the export of the astrazeneca version that's been created in india. because they're trying to get to as many people as possible. it took us -- let's reflect back to the u.s. it took us a month to get
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100,000 people vaccinated people here. india is a country of 1.36 billion people. you're looking at months of hard work to get everybody vaccinated which tells us how we're all in this together to ramp up their capacity as well as capacity globally to create more vaccinations. not just to get to india but to get to other countries around india, like nepal, that are seeing numbers increase. in the setting of all of this, this is partly humanitarian and partly selfish because the longer you see high levels of transmission, the more variants, including the b-1-6.17 which has been seen in india and in the united states. >> indeed, it was seen in michigan. speaking of michigan, i mentioned the hospitalizations, younger people hospitalized, more of them than those over 80 than nationally the under 50 population accounts for most hospitalized patients. what is behind this? why the younger people going into the hospital? >> it's a reflection of, a, how
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well the vaccines are working. you know the majority of people who are vaccinated are over 65. you're seeing that that's the population that's now protected. the people who are -- the percentage of the population who's in the under 50 vaccinated is lower than over 50. they're becoming more vulnerable, particularly as this new, more transmissible variants are spreading. if there's one thing i could say to my fellow americans, now is the time to get vaccinated. when you get vaccinated, not only are you protecting yourself, you become a buffer. if you get vaccinated, you're less likely to get infected and less likely to transmit it to other people. in the setting of all these new variants, we're protecting ourselves and also making a change in the world to keep this virus from continually evolving. >> picking up on that. a new study suggesting a covid vaccine can cut transmission almost in half. is that the kind of data we're going to have to see more of before we can fully get back to normal?
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>> i think there's a lot of data now actually. i have to say even beyond the study you're seeing here, the information from health care workers in the uk recently and other study shows asymptomatic infections are cut by 87%. a similar data from pfizer in israel that it could even be above 90%. you're seeing more and more data that shows in you're vaccinated, you're not only -- again, you're not only protecting yourself, but you're protecting your community because you're becoming a buffer that hasn't allowed that virus to get propagated. i think that's why it's so important to -- as we speak to the young people and looking and saying, hey, even if i get sick, the chances are maybe i won't pass away at the same rate. that's true. younger people have lower mortality. we're seeing really sick, young people. this is your chance not to just protect yourself from those hospitalizations but potentially stop the chains of transmission so we can all get back to normal sooner. >> to your point, i thank you. coming up next, how
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in wash, president biden facing a bumpy road aheadl the week to sell his $2 trillion infrastructure plan. not only to the american people, but to hesitant republican lawmakers. joining me carlin bordeaux. thank you for joining me, congresswoman. you met with the president last week. that's when he came to georgia and trying to sell his infrastructure and jobs plan. what do you make of the president's proposal overall and would it deliver what the people of your district need? >> i think overall his ideas are being fairly well received.
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anybody who sits in traffic on i-85 in the downtown atlanta area knows how desperately he we need infrastructure investment. i know there's a realization in my district that we need to invest in our people as well. we need child care, education, health care, all of those are important issues. people in my district are very pragmatic and they also want to see that it's paid for and we have thought carefully about the cost of what we're buying here. >> based on the criticism of the price, $2 trillion, that's just for the infrastructure bill alone. you know very well the problems we're facing. do you think that spending is necessary to fully fix america's infrastructure or do you think, as some republicans are suggesting, there are some unnecessary provisions? >> well, there are a number of very important pieces. we really need that kind of
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investment to unlock economic opportunity to we're globally competitive and very important here is climate change. and we need to be making these investments so that we are quickly getting to a carbon neutral economy. there are several important pieces in here. just a week or so ago i was with the problem solvers, which is a bipartisan group where we were sitting down and looking at the different parts of the infrastructure package. and there was quite a lot of bipartisan agreement about many pieces of that package. i'm looking forward to continue to go through the legislation with people on both sides as well as within my own caucus to really sit down and assess the different pieces and what is going to be critical for economic development going forward and critical for addressing climate change. >> let's move to what the president did on wednesday, urging congress to have a police reform bill on his desk by may 25th. formal bipartisan talks have begun but there's a lot of sticking points left.
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do you think it is realistic to believe that a compromise could happen, again, in three weeks and change here? how much do you think democrats should give in and try to compromise with republican demands? >> well, i'm optimistic. this is very important, the george floyd police reform. it's very pornd to rebuild the trust between police and our black communities. i've heard karen bass, one of the leaders in the congressional black caucus, is having good meetings with people on both sides of the aisle. i think one of the sticking points is qualified immunity and they're trying to come up with a way where we hold police accountable. i know some police are scared on the other side that this could mean any little thing they could be personally liable for. i think there are solutions there to hold the police
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accountable but make sure they're able to do their job effectively as well. >> i think it's encouraging you say congresswoman bass' efforts are being well received. that's great to hear. let's talk about something we first saw in georgia, now seeing in several states, that being new laws making it harder for eligible citizens to vote. most recently the florida legislature has advanced a bill. what do you make of this push for voting restrictions, not just in your state but on a national level? >> coming out of georgia, we have a real -- it's a very frustrating process here. and this is not the beginning for us. we have been dealing with voting rights issues for many years now and have just had ongoing litigation. i have been involved in litigation to try to make sure our voting is fair and accessible to everybody. and this is all grounded and a lot of misinformation about what happened in november. a lot of misinformation where,
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unfortunately, republicans are claiming that the election was somehow fraudulent, which is incorrect. and then as a result of that, they are passing this legislation that is really going to make it more difficult for people to vote, and particularly for people of color to vote. it is very frustrating to watch this unfold. >> okay. congresswoman, it's good to see you. thank you so much. we are following breaking news. we will share this out of wisconsin where a shooting overnight at a popular casino left three people dead, that includes the suspected gunman. let's go to nbc's kathy park joining us from green bay, wisconsin. what happened here? how did this unfold and what are you hearing from law enforcement about it? >> hey, alex, we are just getting here. and just based on some of the conversations i've had so far, we were told this happened around dinner time yesterday, 7:30. this facility was packed. there was a wedding that was
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taking place. we were told there were several youth hockey teams here as well. and i want to give you a little bit of the lay of the land here. so, we are in front of the casino, but this is a sprawling casino. to my left is a casino and to my right is a hotel and in between the two is a restaurant where the shooting took place. the shooting actually took place behind this building around 7:30. according to authorities, we were told that the gunman entered the facility and shot two individuals and then eventually moved outside injuring another person. shortly after that, law enforcement agencies moved in and they were able to take the gunman down. in total, two people were killed. the gunman was also killed and another person was seriously wounded. we had the chance to talk to a witness who happened to be at the restaurant and actually saw the gunman face-to-face. take a listen.
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>> i was talking to one of the guys who work here. he was crying and saying, he shot my best friend, he shot my best friend. i was asking, why did he shoot your best friend? he said he was mad, he was upset, he got fired two weeks ago. right when i said that, i was -- like you were the guy i was talking to, and the gunman was right behind him. i was like, holy -- that's the gunman. the guy turned around, trying to walk away. the gun man went like this and shot him in the face. >> reporter: it was certainly a chaotic scene when this happened in front of dozens of people, it sounds like. we do want to let you know officials have not confirmed the motive of this shooting. we don't know the suspect's identity nor the victims' identities. tomorrow they are supposed to be holding a press conference and possibly releasing more details of what took place. you know, people are rattled.
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they are starting to leave this casino and this hotel right now. they were out here trying to enjoy themselves, have a great time when gunfire kind of scattered. it was a terrible scene. >> let me ask you something. i was listening to that sound bite you played. at the end, when he described seeing the gunman standing as far away as you were basically and then he backed away, did he say that the gunman then shot the man he was talking to in the face? did i hear that correctly? >> reporter: you know, the details of that are a bit fuzzy because obviously it happened in an instant. from what we heard from that gentleman who happened to be at the restaurant at the time, the gunman, shooter walked in very occasionally, he had a gun, had a mask on and then went toward the back of the restaurant and apparently shot two individuals
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and started heading back outside of the restaurant. there were several people there witnessing all this. there were some former military members who obviously wanted to come to the aid of these victims and started administering aid and trying to save their lives. and the gunman apparently approaches them during all this and then walked out of the casino. that's when he apparently injured another person and was eventually shot by law enforcement. >> lots of things to unfold on this one. we thank you for getting me to the bottom of it. thank you, kathy park. it's a first amendment alarm since the killing of george floyd. 90 or so anti-protest bills have been introduced across 35 states. just how dangerous are these measures to democracy? ♪
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republican state ledge turs are pushing bills that appear to target protesters. a wave of so-called anti-protest laws have popped up. joining me now is elly paige, sister legal adviser for not for profit law. you were featured in a recent "new york times" article titled "gop bills target protesters and absolve motorists who hit them." can you explain that and how these bills would change the way
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protesters are punished. >> absolutely. thanks, alex. since the killing of george floyd, we've had over 90 bills introduced in 35 states that would undermine the right to assemble and protest. it's twice as many bills we've seen in comparable periods. more of those bills are being enacted and moving towards enactment and the bills are extreme in in terms of stop the right to protest. these bills create steep new penalties for things that might happen during a peaceful protest. half the bills we've seen increase the penalty for blocking traffic, which often happens during demonstrations. tennessee passed a law on which protesters can spend up to a year in jail for blocking a sidewalk. many of these bills introduce felony penalties that may happen during a peaceful protest. many of the bills create
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sweeping and vaguely defined new criminal offenses that can cover peaceful protesters. florida's new law, which redefines riot so broadly that can it can cover those who are protesting peacefully. people who aren't engaged in any violence or property damage but happen to be in the crowd that police decide present a danger of something bad happening. >> so, what comes to mind, again, by that headline, which is absolutely stunning that it absolves protesters -- motorists, rather, motorists that hit protesters. i think of charlottesville a couple years back where there was a woman killed when she was hit by a car of a man who drove his car directly into the protesting crowd. would that person, the driver, would he then get off because of these bills? >> there's a question of facts there and whether or not -- many of these bills have limiting language that requires the driver to be acting unintentionally and exercising
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due care or something, similar language to that. this is, perhaps, one of the most concerning aspects of this trend is how many of these bills essentially enable violence against protesters by creating new protections for people who injure or kill protest participants, including drivers who kill those with their cars. >> the right to peacefully protest is enshrined in the first amendment. how could laws like these be legal? >> there are constitutional questions with many of these bills. we've already seen challenges to florida's law, and i expect we'll see many more as these laws are enacted. certainly there's this issue, again, of the laws being overbroad and covering and potentially punishing protected first amendment activity. there's also a question as to whether these laws are so directly targeting the racial justice protests -- protest movement, in particular, as to be unconstitutional viewpoint
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discrimination. >> as this all develops, come back and talk to us about it. thank you so much. a milestone for the most powerful woman in america. that's next. the most powerful woman in amera.ic that's next. cell phone repair. did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? just get a quote at libertymutual.com. really? i'll check that out. oh yeah. i think i might get a quote. not again! aah, come on rice. do your thing. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99.
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vice president kamala harris is marking a major milestone by crossing the 100 days in office threshold. over the last several months harris has faced a global health pandemic, cries of racial injustice and concerns about immigration. through it all the second in command has never wavered in her message of american resilience. >> in dark times we not only dream, we do. we not only see what has been, we see what can be. these last 100 days haven't only been defined by progress.
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american aspiration is about the courage to see beyond crisis and to build beyond crisis. it is about our endurance. it is about our perseverance. >> joining me now is former abc news anchor, author of "news lady," which is what she is and professor of journalism at emerson college, carol simpson. thank you for joining me. >> hi, alex. good to see you. >> i've always been such a big fan. let's get to the moments you think most define vice president harris' first 100 days in office. what stands out to you? >> well, i thought about this and i think the thing that really defined who she is and who she will be for the biden administration is two weeks ago when the derek chauvin verdict came in in the george floyd murder case.
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both biden and vice president harris spoke to the american people in the halls of the white house. i don't remember a vice president actually standing beside a president and in the halls of the white house having something to say. it made it clear that she is going to be a partner with him on many things that involve race, which is still the unfinished business in this country. she is going to present a point of view that people of color will listen to her and say, right, she knows what she's talking about. where the white man, he's saying what he needs to say and he believes it probably, but it makes a big difference to have a person of color joining him in the message they're trying to send the american people. >> big picture, that's a very good moment you picked there. do you get a sense of the relationship between the vice president and president. joe biden worked very
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effectively with president obama. do you think he's taking from that experience in his relationship with kamala harris? >> i think he wants that. he has said he wanted somebody simpatico, who could be a partner with him. men and women are different. [speaking foreign language] i don't know that he'll be playing golf with kamala, but he's very close to his wife and his sister. i think he's used to having smart women advise him. i think he really wants kamala harris to be successful because if she is, he is. >> oh, yeah. absolutely. very much of a two for one package deal there. what about what she represents? vice president harris, a lot of firsts for the nation. how do you think her lived experiences are helping her navigate this role? >> because she knows what she's talking about. she's lived it. she was the little girl waiting for the bus to participate in
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desegregation. there's one thing i want to tell you about and i think it's important. biden is the oldest president ever. he took office at age 78. when i was covering the white house, i covered ronald reagan and he was 68. they had me follow george bush all around the world because they were afraid that something might happen to reagan. he might die, god forbid, and we needed to be with vice president bush. so i think they are preparing her to be ready to take over day one should something, god forbid again, happen to joe biden. it is a consideration. >> yeah, no, absolutely. you have to prepare for any scenario whatsoever. let me ask you about the thing that we saw on wednesday. it was also a first with president biden becoming the first u.s. president to ever deliver a congressional speech
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with a female vp and female speaker of the house sitting behind him. take a listen to what hillary clinton said about that moment. >> i loved the way the president turned around, applauded them, said it was about time. it really was a watershed moment. i think it's still not sinking in on people that the combination of the speaker of the house and our vice president has shattered so many barriers. as you say, the glass ceiling. >> what did you think when you saw that? what went through your mind? >> it was so great. i couldn't believe it. here we have the second and third most powerful women in the united states standing behind the president, doing their little elbow bump, dressed in lovely suits and their masks. it was just -- it really filled my heart that we are making progress. women are going to be equal
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partners in this country, especially in government. >> indeed. well, forever our news lady, carol simpson, thank you so much. nice to see you again. >> good to see you. the uproar over republican senator tim scott and his comments about racism in america, that's next. the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99. you could take your ulcerative colitis treatment in a different direction. talk to your doctor about xeljanz, a pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis when a certain medicine did not help enough. xeljanz is the first and only fda-approved pill for moderate to severe uc. it can reduce symptoms in as early as two weeks, improve the appearance of the intestinal lining, and provide lasting steroid-free remission. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections.
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