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peaceful protests as people hit the streets for the 12th straight day demanding the release of the body cam video. watch this. >> many of us have been here for over a week now. this is a peaceful, yet powerful, nonviolent direct action, movement today. can i hear some noise for that? >> i want to bring in vaughn hillyard once again who's for us in elizabeth city, north carolina. vaughn, you've been there all day reporting on this. i believe you have a live guest with you now. take it away, my friend. >> reporter: hey, yasmin. we just got here to the steps here of the -- i'm going to bring in keith rivers. you're the head of the local naacp chapter here. you've been following this march here through elizabeth city over the course of the last two hours. can you tell folks where we are right now and why we are here today. >> right now if you look towards the back you see the public

safety building. that is the home of the sheriff's office. his name is sheriff wooten, and the district attorney wombley. >> reporter: you guys were quiet as you just made your way down this final part of the street here. what is it that you want the country who has taken part in a year of racial reckoning, what do you want the country to understand about this here in elizabeth city, your community. >> this situation is not unique and has not been unique over the course of history when it comes to law enforcement towards blacks in this country. but what we can see that is unique is that in elizabeth city, the residents of this city have executed their constitutional rights in a manner that we have not witnessed before. this peaceful, nonviolent, direct action protest clearly shows the structural integrity of our community, the transparency and the trust that the elizabeth city police department has had in us.

but what it also clearly shows is that the sheriff's department, that the district attorney is not exercising that same transparency, that same trust. and today we just want to let the world know and let america know that we are mourning, the family is mourning. >> reporter: i want everybody to get a chance to see this and i want the country to catch up to where we are here. it was april 21st that andrew brown jr.'s life was taken. he was killed. three deputies fired and shot him. he was dead on the scene there. they were serving a warrant and that is when ten deputies arrived to the scene and he was shot and killed there. now, there's discrepancy over whether he struck any of those deputies with his vehicle, and yet the public hasn't seen, had a chance to see the body cam footage. the family has had a chance to see about 20 seconds. i think myself and a lot of us are standing here with

questions. but his family is here, you are here. why ten days later after his passing with so many questions up in the air, what do you want this country to know when they have not seen the body cam footage themselves? >> how can you have transparency, how can you have trust where there is no accountability? at some point this has to stop. let it start, let it start to stop right here. pass laws that make the footage released in a very -- in 48 hours. there's a bill, senate bill 510 here in north carolina that will allow the footage to be released in 48 hours after the incident. >> because here in north carolina, sunshine laws don't allow the release of this body cam footage unless a judge rules, which is different in a lot of other states. you believe that the north carolina law should make body cam footage public without a judge's order? >> correct. there is a law and that is senate bill 510 that gives 48 hours after the incident to be able to release the video.

so support that bill. the family needs closure. imagine if you lost a loved one. imagine if it was your brother or your uncle, your father, and he was murdered. you would want to know how. 20 seconds is not enough. we have to do what is right. >> mr. rivers, i appreciate you. bless your community here during this time. again, yasmin, the family has seen just 20 seconds of body cam footage. they are expected to see the rest of that body cam footage by the end of this week. but the public at large may not see that for another month if at all. it's up to the district attorney here whether he will press charges against those three deputies who shot andrew brown jr. yasmin. >> all right, vaughn hillyard, great interview, my friend. thanks for joining us on this. so in the midst of these nationwide protests that we have been seeing like the one in north carolina calling for police reform, one senator leading bipartisan negotiations says this year may be the year

for it to happen. republican senator tim scott said today he's actually optimistic about coming to a compromise because they're finding common ground on a number of issues. take a listen. >> think about the parts of the two bills that are in common, data collection. i think through negotiations and conversations, we are now closer on no-knock warrants and chokeholds. there's something called section 1033 that has to do with getting government equipment from the military for local police. i think we're making progress there too. >> i think we're making progress. i guess that's good news. i want to bring in democratic congressman jim clyburn from south carolina and see what kind of progress we are making. congressman, thanks for joining us. you were just listening to that interview that vaughn hillyard had with keith rivers, the head of the naacp, talking about the changes that he wants to see especially about release of the body cam footage. before we get to that particular, now more than ever as we have been seeing the

protests across this country over the last year plus, beginning with the killing of george floyd, now more than ever this country needs the george floyd justice and policing act to be passed. when you hear tim scott saying it seems like we're coming to some sort of consensus and figuring this thing out, how close are we to getting this thing passed? >> first of all, thank you very much for having me. i have been talking with karen bass, who is leading the negotiations on behalf of democrats. she has been talking at length with senator scott, senator booker. i hear that it's a very positive activity taking place. now, how close they are, i don't know. but i don't know that we have got to be proactive in preventing these kinds of things. data collection comes after the fact.

we've got to outlaw chokeholds. we've got to have qualified immunity has to be redefined so that people will not have absolute immunity. there are a lot of things we can do that's in this bill. so i would hope in the negotiations we will not come out of negotiations dealing with things after the fact rather than dealing with things that could prevent things from happening. >> can we talk about body cam footage for a moment as we are experiencing what is taking place in north carolina, awaiting the funeral tomorrow for andrew brown jr. you heard keith rivers talking about body cam footage and wanting the laws in north carolina specifically to change for the release of body cam footage after 48 hours. i know the george floyd justice and policing act essentially has a requirement for all police officers to have to wear that body cam footage and creating a path, as it says, by which a member of the public featured in

a given video as well as members of their family and legal representation could actually access this footage. obviously something needs to change. as we've been hearing over and over again, there's not enough transparency when it comes to body cam footage. this is not the first time for this conversation. is there a plan in place to address this on a federal level? >> i wish i could answer that question. something may have been happening with karen bass. last year when i was intricately involved in this, we were looking at body cameras as a requirement. now, exactly where they are today with that, i don't know. i certainly hope we can do so and do it in the way that we have penalties for people who don't use them. what we have time and time again, something happens and someone says, well, he had the

camera but it wasn't turned on. there should be a price to pay when you don't turn on your camera, like there ought to be a price to pay when you can only show 20 seconds. if you have video out there, why not be transparent and show it all? something is remiss if you don't do it. >> so one of the big conversations this week was around this question. is america racist? i want to take a listen to the reaction to that question, the answer to that question from some folks and have you react on the other side. >> america is not a racist country. the question is, is there a lingering effect after a couple of centuries of racism and discrimination in this nation? the answer is absolutely. >> i don't think america is a racist country, but we also do have to speak truth about the history of racism in our country and its existence today. >> i don't think america is racist, but i think the overhang

from all of the jim crow and before that slavery have had a cost and we have to deal with it. >> so, congressman, where do you stand on this question? >> you know, i don't know why that was even brought into this discussion. a racist country would not elect barack obama president or kamala harris vice president. that's not the issue. the issue is systemic racism. that is what is happening. we know that to be the case. in fact my colleague, tim scott, gave a speech back in 2016 on the floor of the senate talking about having been stopped seven times for no other reason than being black. that is systemic racism. and he says someone approached him on the campus there of the capitol saying i recognize the

pin you're wearing, but i don't recognize you, still meaning your identification. that is systemic stuff that we've got to get out of the system. so to talk about the country as being a racist country, no. we've gone beyond that. but let's remember, we have 244 years of slavery. we had another 100 years of jim crow. how could generations, 350 years, that's a long time. it was not until 1954 when we got a supreme court decision to start the dismantling of this process. so let's just admit that we've got a problem. as you know, i've studied history and i'm telling you each passing day i think about if you fail to learn the lessons of history, you're bound to repeat them. people like to repeat the history, they don't want to learn the lessons of history. and if you don't learn these

lessons -- >> it's interesting -- yeah. >> yes, ma'am. >> no, i didn't mean to cut you off, congressman, but it's interesting the way you say that we need to address these problems in the country as the vice president said as well. but you have mitch mcconnell in washington writing a letter essentially saying to the education secretary, essentially saying to the biden administration that they should not be addressing systemic racism in response to the fact that they felt like there needs to be programs in the education system addressing systemic racism. he also wants to do away with the "the new york times" 1619 project. he said families do not ask for this divisive nonsense. voters did not vote for it. americans never decided our children should be taught that our country is inherently evil. this is not doing that. it's teaching children about the history of this country. >> that's exactly what it's

doing. and mitch mcconnell ought to be ashamed of himself. 1619, that's just when rights were introduced in this country and he knows my predecessors came here against their will, they came here and were enslaved and that lasted 244 years. everybody needs to be taught that. he should be taught that. we all should be working to overcome that. that is what we've been trying to do. supreme court decisions time and time again keep saying, one of them especially, in order to get beyond race, you must first take race into account, which means that if you're going to solve the race problem, you've got to admit that there is a problem. identify the problem and let's work to overcome it, not avoid it, pretend it didn't happen.

that's denying and neglect and that's what we did to the native american. we are not going to allow that to happen to the african-american. we have learned that lesson of history and we're not going to repeat it. >> congressman jim clyburn, thank you. great conversation. appreciate you joining us on this sunday, as always. >> thank you. still ahead, senator mitt romney booed at utah's gop convention for commenting on the character of our former president. a larger look at the trump effect in the splintering republican party. plus, what it means to reopen. we'll speak with marcus samuelson on what he expects in this next phase and his efforts to support his community during this pandemic. nity dur ing this pandemic. the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99. you could take your ulcerative colitis treatment in a different direction. talk to your doctor about xeljanz, a pill,

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welcome back. now to the gop's war on moderates. >> i don't have the fact that i wasn't a fan of our last president's character issues -- >> senator mitt romney was greeted by a barrage of insults and boos last night from a crowd of his own party at the utah republican convention, but romney did narrowly escape being censured by a margin of 798-711. liz cheney could be pushed out as top conference chair. multiple republicans questioned that she could lose her spot after saying anyone challenging

the 2020 election results should be disqualified from election in the future. not to mention her first bump with biden after his speech this week. elise jordan, former white house aide to george w. bush joins us. welcome to you both. god forbid liz cheney fist bumps joe biden. man. but let's talk about kind of this pervasive fear that we have been talking about really since donald trump left office, which is that republicans are so scared to speak out because they feel like they'll receive the wrath of the trump voter. it seems like mitt romney got just that. soshi, what does this say really about the allegiance inside the republican party to donald trump? >> well, yasmin, that's right. there is an allegiance. this isn't only a deeply divided party when it comes to policy. they're not arguing about how to increase health care, how to

make sure that we are strengthening our economy, getting people back to work, they're divided when it comes to one man, and a man that not only lost the electoral college but lost the popular vote. and he's very unpopular in our country right now. and so it is very worrisome. if i were mitch mcconnell i'd be a little worried about this divide because as you're heading into the midterm elections, you want your party to have a sharp message about what they stand for. the opportunity that the republican party had at their last convention, they had an opportunity to lay out their values and in a platform. instead they said we stand for donald trump. and so going into the midterms and 2024, we don't know what the republican party stands for other than donald trump. that is a huge problem for them. >> and they won't really know the answer to that until the midterms. elise, let's talk about the fist bump or fist pump or whatever it was. liz cheney responded to critics

on twitter this week saying i disagree strongly with joe biden policies, but when the president reaches out to greet me in the chamber of the u.s. house of representatives, i will always respond in a civil, respectful and dignified way. we're dignified political parties. we're not sworn enemies. it does seem like being civil with one another is now controversial. >> yasmin, it just -- it really has gone so far off the deep end that merely acknowledging the president of the united states and that he is the commander in chief and the duly elected leader is a cardinal sin among republicans these days. it really is just mind blowing and it shows how far the party has gone. you look at liz cheney and where she is right now. unfortunately, it's looking like her position is increasingly untenable. she gambled she did the right thing. she denounced a former president who incited a violent

insurrection against a free and fair election to overthrow the election results. she gambled on that because the republican party is still with donald trump. this is donald trump's party. and so those of us who were hopeful that an aftermath of the trump presidency, there would be republicans trying to put some distance there, well, that just hasn't happened. >> i actually want to play some video of the former president. we haven't seen him in a while. speaking at mar-a-lago earlier this week about the recount of the maricopa county votes in arizona. >> let's see what they find. i wouldn't be surprised if they found thousands and thousands and thousands of votes. so we're going to watch that very closely. after that, you'll watch pennsylvania and you'll watch georgia and you're going to watch michigan and wisconsin and you're watching new hampshire.

they found a lot of votes up in new hampshire just now. >> that's just not going to happen. it's obvious that he really hasn't changed much in the last couple of months. but nothing that he said is actually going to happen. >> you're right, yasmin. none of that is going to happen. what's sad about it is that you do have a republican party that continues to stand by him. he's a former president of the united states. you would hope that our former president of the united states -- as a former president of the united states, he would go and accept the results for our democracy. make sure that there was a peaceful transition. but we saw what happened with the insurrection. we continue to see him sow doubt in our democracy. and it is dangerous. it's dangerous for future elections. if i were the republican party right now, i would disavow him. if they want to continue to win and be on the side of the american people. >> elise, final word?

>> it's not going to get any better in the near term. i think that with what's happening to mitt romney in utah is any indicator, and that is the utah gop, this is not a good trend line and donald trump has the heart and soul of the party still in his grip. >> thank you to you both. great to see you on this sunday. coming up, everybody, i am joined by restauranteur marcus samuelsson to talk about what new york's opening will mean for restaurants and their workers. stay with us. staurants and thei. stay with us hi, i'm debra. i'm from colorado. i've been married to my high school sweetheart for 35 years. i'm a mother of four-- always busy.

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if they continue to come down, that could be a reasonable projection, but i wouldn't guarantee it and i wouldn't declare victory yet. i mean that's a good thing to get people anticipating something that they have been wanting and longing for for so

long. that's not a bad thing, so long as it doesn't allow people to then all of a sudden say we've won and pull back on the kind of public health measures that we know we have to implement according to the cdc guidelines. >> that was dr. anthony fauci emphasizing yesterday that caution is key as cities like new york prepare to reopen their doors. one industry sure to benefit from new york's reopening, restaurants. according to numbers compiled, 1,000 new york city restaurants have shuttered since the start of the pandemic. governor cuomo's recent decision to expand indoor dining capacity to 75% hopes could ease the burden that remaining businesses still feel. but is it too little too late? with me to talk more about this, marcus samuelsson, chef and owner of red rooster here in new york city. thanks for joining us on this, really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> it must have been really good news to hear essentially mayor

de blasio saying by july 1 it could be back up and running 100% capacity. the summer of new york city. >> yeah, sure. we want to go back to work and we want to go back to rebuilding. it's going to be a long journey for us. so we're very excited to come back and fully work. also a huge thank you to all our guests and customers that have been with us through all these announcements of 30%, 40%, outdoor dining in january. so obviously we built a really strong bond with our diners. we want to thank them. but we're ready to go back to work and build our business and industry back and create jobs, local jobs in our communities. >> what are you worried about? >> well, i mean numbers like 41% of all black businesses have shut because of the pandemic, so obviously the pandemic as we

know has hit communities much, much harder than other communities. you know, this is something when we see those businesses come back, because without restaurants, without retail, neighborhoods like harlem, like the bronx, like queens are not the same. so we really need these mom-and-pop businesses to come back. we need grants and we need help. you know, during this pandemic we started something called black business matters matching fund. we've been able to generate over $26 million to black businesses with grants. it's going to be grants, not loans that bring communities and businesses back. >> so it's interesting, you talk about bringing communities, businesses, restaurants back because essentially if you're going to be at 100% capacity, that means a lot of your landlords are going to be demanding rent, right? some landlords have eased off wanting the full rent because

they understand the financial hardships a lot of restaurant owners had. now that things are back at 100% capacity, that's going to be tough for a lot of restaurants to get back on their feet and be able to pay that money in full. what can be done to help those business owners and restaurant owners so that more folks don't collapse under the weight of the overhead? >> first of all, big restaurants can have a better chance of negotiating because they might have several restaurants or restaurant groups. once again, it's the small mom-and-pops getting hurt here. when you say 100%, it's all about consumer confidence. even though we all say 100%, we all know that's not going to be like december 2019, because guess what, tourism is not yet back, conference business is not back yet, and the way we're doing business today which impacts restaurants have changed. those cross-country travel trips with one or two meetings is not going to happen.

we do them on zoom now, for example. i'm glad we're saying 100% in capacity, but 100% based on businesses coming back, that's going to take years and that's what i'm saying. i'm glad we're starting this journey, it's going to be a long, humbling journey. it's going to take probably two or three years for new york city's restaurant community to be fully back because it impacts so many other sectors, traveling, tourism, and business travel with that. >> you bring up such a good point. i'll give you a personal example. when i was out to dinner last night, i saw despite the fact that you could have a larger capacity, the restaurant was still not full indoors. the other day i got an email from my yoga studio saying, hey, yoga classes are up and running. me being fully vaccinated, it's nervous to go back to the yoga studio knowing that i'm still safe. what are you going to do to instill confidence to your customers to make sure they feel safe coming back. >> it's a combination between media, between federal and local

government. also the infrastructure that we as restaurants have, how we directly communicate with our customer base, whether we do it through social media or newsletter. you know, we've invested -- it costs us more to run the restaurant today than before because we invest in much more cleaning and we have more staff to clean. we have the restaurants look different with glass and plastic and so on. so it's a completely different way to eat out, but we have to do that because we've got to get our guests confident in us back. that's going to take a while. just like you said, you were vaccinated, you live in new york. there are thousands of people that want to do good. our customers want to support us and support broadway coming back but it will take a while. i don't blame them. so it's going to take massive communication from the restaurants on social media, but

media and federal and local government is key here. we've got to be key in our messaging. >> so before i let you go, have you thought at all about requiring customers to have a vaccination? >> no, we have not done that. we are -- first of all, we're just following all the information that's coming to us, right? we're excited about coming back with our restaurants and being back -- bringing our staff back, bringing our community back. i'm sure there's going to be so many different back and forth about conversations, whether it's vaccine passports, whatever. we just have to wait and see what are the guidelines, follow that and not make it any more complicated because it's been rough enough for us as operators and owners and being part of the restaurant community. so i'm excited we're going back to work fully and excited about the opportunity. >> summer of new york city.

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casino near green bay. that's where we find kathy park. what more are we learning about the situation? >> well, yasmin, it certainly is still an active investigation. you might notice the oneida police parked right in front of the building, the casino, where this all took place. it happened last night around 7:30. this is a sprawling casino. you have a hotel, a casino and the restaurant. that is where the shooting took place. we were told this was at 85% capacity, the hotel was, and the restaurant was also packed. according to authorities, the gunman stormed in and eventually shot two people and then made himself -- made his way back outside. that's when he shot another person injuring that person and then eventually authorities shot the suspect and he was killed. right now they are not releasing a motive. we don't have the victims' names

or the identity of the suspect and we are supposed to hear a little bit more tomorrow when authorities hold a press conference. but i had a chance to talk to a witness who was inside the restaurant and said he actually saw the gunman open fire. take a listen. >> i was talking to one of the guys who worked here and he was crying saying that he shot my best friend, he shot my best friend. i asked him why did he shoot your best friend? he said he was mad, he was upset. right when i said that, the gunman was literally right behind him. i was like holy, that's the gunman. the guy tried to punch him and i was walking away. and the gunman did like this and shot him in the face. >> reporter: yasmin, it certainly was a chaotic event. a lot of people were inside this building at the time. we are told that counselors will be brought in to deal with the trauma that a lot of employees

have experienced and hopefully tomorrow we'll get a lot more information about a possible motive into this shooting. >> kathy park, thank you. we do want to go back now to north carolina where a protest is under way in elizabeth city as a community demands answers following the shooting death of andrew brown jr. by sheriff's deputies. nbc's vaughn hillyard has been following this march for us throughout the day. vaughn, what's been happening since we last spoke? >> reporter: yasmin, this gathering has led us to this parking lot where dr. reverend william barber, the co-chair of the poor people's campaign, he's the minister of a church in north carolina, he's set to speak at this gathering of a couple hundred folks here in elizabeth city, north carolina. tomorrow is the funeral for andrew brown jr. who was shot and killed by three deputies. the public has still not seen their body cam footage. the discrepancy between what the

deputies claim happen versus what the family saw from some of that body cam footage, i want to bring in a best friend of andrew brown jr. sir, you asked me to ask you to introduce yourself, if you could. >> yes, because i just want to know known as andrew brown's fan because that's what it's all about. >> we stopped by andrew brown's house. that's where we met you, outside of a mural of your friend that is now on that house. what was your relationship like and what do you want the country to know about his story right now? >> my relationship with drew was -- me and drew were best friends. i'm his best friend. i've got a few of them. true was so good, every day call you up, anything on his mind, anything going on, anything with his kids. >> bless you here during this time. i say this because we're here joining you on these streets

here. when you see a gathering of people who you've known for years and you call your best friend, what do you want folks to know about what is taking place here in elizabeth city right now? >> man, first of all, i want everybody to know i represent our neighborhoods that can't put into words how we feel and we haven't seen everything. the police has killed drew so i can't explain the words from my neighborhood. but this isn't right what's going on here, period. they killed a man, no matter what he did, what he was about, everyone that touched him or even knew about him knew he was about love and peace. how can you say he did this and that and you're about peace because he wasn't hurting anybody doing this and that. >> reporter: i appreciate that. best to you and everyone here in elizabeth city in the days ahead. yasmin, waiting for the district attorney to decide whether he

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the american families plan will provide access to quality affordable child care. i'm proposing legislation to guarantee that low and middle income families will pay no more than 7% of their income for high quality care for children up to the age of 5. the most heart pressed working families won't have to spend a dime. >> joe biden announcing his american families plan during his address to congress on wednesday. it is filled with provisions that will be a game changer for millions of americans. the plan including subsidized child care, a guarantee of up to 12 weeks paid leave for care gavers and extending cash payments to parents part of covid-19. joining me now is michelle goldberg. in a piece titled "america has been brutal, biden is trying to change that," she writes --

>> michelle, thank you for joining me. this piece really spoke to me, i've got to say. you think about the last time there was major legislation when it came to paid family leave. that was the fmla act i believe in 1993. a pew research study saying when it comes to government mandated leave for parents, i wonder if you think this is the biggest provision, the biggest change that is happening with biden's plan? >> you know, i don't know if i could separate out paid leave from subsidized child care from universal pre-k from the continuation of these direct cash payments to parnls that are the continuation of payments

that are in the american recovery act. the entire thing would take the united states from being this wild outlier among developed countries, the country where it is by far the hardest, the most expensive to be a parent and make us a normal country, a country where parenthood, you know, isn't this insurmountable financial burden for all but the richest of americans. >> it's interesting, because i mentioned this study. it's showing us last in the world for paid time off when it comes to parents. then you think about the effects of what the covid crisis has had on this country, specifically women and how many women have had to leave the workforce. 2.4 million women have left the workforce since february 2020. some of these changes could not come at a better time, michelle goldberg, especially when it means women trying to get back into the workforce and needing

affordable child care. >> right. and i think the covid crisis is both the impetus for the scale and ambition of this program, even though progressives have been fighting for a lot of these provisions for a very long time. and it also is the reason that there is this kind of window of opportunity, because everybody suddenly recognizes that parents are in crisis, that they need help. that these can't just be matters of individual responsibility because they have huge repercussions. so we're having this very interesting debate where some on the right like mitt romney are propoing to give different sorts of payments to families. but what's interesting is that the debate is now what sort of support should we give to struggling american parents, not do they deserve support, which was the debate in the past. >> so you point out the role that race has played in opposition to some of these

programs in our nation's history. and it seems as if they were generally popular until the civil rights era when black women started to access them. can you tell us about that? >> what i think is about the history of welfare, particularly families with dependant children, before there was just aid to dependant children, it was initially conceived as a way for mothers to stay home and take care of their children. to free them from the burden of work. but that was at a time when various -- it was case by administered by states and localities that used various mechanisms to exclude black mothers from the program. once black women started accessing these benefits, it still was more white people getting these benefits than black people. but once it became associated with black people, you started see thing demonization of quote

unquote welfare mothers and an obsession of getting into work. it had been societally approved for the government to subsidize mothers staying home when it was white mothers. when it was black mothers, you had all of these -- these negative associations with laziness, and this obsession, again, with getting these women to work. however, at the same time, any government programs or proposals for government programs that would make it easier for women to work by subsidizing child care have also been nonstarters. >> i just quickly want you to weigh in on how representation is playing in on this, women leading companies, people like senator patty murray who is oversee thing legislation, wanting to move this forward, how has that affected things,

especially when it comes to legislation like this? >> i think it's changed everything. patty murray told me when she first entered congress in 1993, people would give her a pat on the head and ignore her. now he's the head of the committee that will be draft thing legislation in the senate. there's a lot of other women in the senate and house and biden administration who recognize the importance of these issues. and that's why it's happening. >> michelle goldberg, thank you. great piece by the way. i appreciate it. that wraps up this hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back here next saturday and sunday. the mayor of elizabeth city joins reverend al sharpton on "politicsnation" after a quick break. we'll be right back. ♪ it's grilled cheese time. ♪ ♪ yeah, it's time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪

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