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and why may is shaping up to be a break or a make or break month to cut a deal. plus in the fight against covid new signs of recovery here in the u.s. but not in india. the u.s. sending more help while restricting tral. we're live at one airport with folks describing an exodus. why you could see the former president back this week. i'm joined by jeff bennet at the white house. he is not making just a public pitch, but also a private one behind closed doors this week. >> that's a great way to think about it. you have the public sales pitch,
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they are conducting on whether or not republicans can be brought along in this process. on the republic side of things, the infrastructure road show rolls on to coastal virginia with how the president's spending proposals will benefit. he will speak at a community college. you have the vice president and cabinet secretaries getting in on the act later this week. lawmakers on capitol hill and add my straights here say this week will be pivotal while they have more negotiations to see if republicans can work with democrats on the physical infrastructure part of the president's proposal. all of that money aimed at revitaliing roads, railways, and more. they are going to reassess the
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approach of trying to bring along republicans. i'm told the president views action as being more important than bipartisanship when it comes to transforming the social safety net. >> so garrett, can you pick up on this point? what are you hearing from your sources on the hill regarding whether or not they should go it alone, what the next step could be? >> i hear from democrats all of the time that when a road is paved or a bridge is rebuilt people don't look and say boye, i wish republicans had been involved. so democrats are watching the clock, they want to get moving on some of the priorities. they see the political winds around them and they know they may have a limited amount of time to pass these.
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that said, the chance does exist, and the challenge on the infrastructure bill here is while there is desire among republicans, their price tag is less than a third of what biden administration's is, and to pay for it they're even further away on that. they told me there was no amount that she would be willing to raise the corporate tax rate to pay for infrastructure. she's now the point person for the republican party on this bill which the biden administration wants to raise as a feature, not a bug. so the challenges here are enormous, but the opportunity does exist at least for now. >> thank you both very much. we're going to talk more about this with secretary walsh coming up. for now, from washington to the
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fight against covid at home. there is a little good news. new infections on a low but steady decline. we have more than 100 million americans now fully vaccinated. that is a third of the entire population. that's a solid chump of people but it's not enough to hit heard herd immunity. some experts saying we may never hit herd immunity because of vaccine hesitancy and the variations in the virus. let me tart with you. we are hitting a brig milestone, it was a wildly different scene where you are. >> yeah, it certainly was. this is literally ground zero
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for some of the worst scenes of the covid pandemic. today a big milestone as you say. the entire if i workforce is going back to work not from their homes but in their officers and at their desks. the mayor bill deblasio saying this is important not just to get business up and running, but this city is coming back to life. new york city is not alone. we saw amazing sites. 50,000 people showed up to watch that race. that's a lot of mint juleps and fancy hats. these were actual people watching that race. you also had in chicago, navy pier, and out in california
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disney land reopened. lots of families having a chance to take their kids and celebrate normalcy there. amidst all of this good news there are trouble spots like in oregon where there has been a outbreak. health officials say they have detected a mutant variant from covid ravaged india. there are still signs we need to be cautious. still good news here in this city this morning. hallie. >> steph, thank you, ron, it is a different situation overseas. you have travel restrictions from india taking effect starting tomorrow. i know you have been at the airport, where are folks coming from that rebeyond telling you. >> as stephanie just mentioned, that variant is the cause of the
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record number of deaths. we will be able to come to the united states from india. if you're a permanent resident, students, journalists, and so forth. india is not alone. there are travel restrictions to come into this country from the u.k., from european countries, brazil, iran, china, and so forth. a lot of people say you really can't get into the united states without a negative covid test for most countries. some people think there is already enough regulation, enough restrictions about coming here. others feel like this is a good idea because the situation in india is so dire. we talk to a number of people including a man who just came here and felt very badly, conflicted, about leaving his family behind in india. here is what he had to say. >> from my perspective many
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people are coming because there is a ban tomorrow, so a lot of people are coming today. it's hard to leave them to be honest. it is hard to leave them, but basically i work here so i have to come back, there's no option. >> do you think the restrictions are a good idea? >> i don't think so. >> why not? >> it should be for everyone. if i'm not a citizen i'm not allowed. you cannot carry covid and i can? i don't understand that? >> do you think it is a good idea to ban travel? >> yeah, it seems really bad in india. >> everyone agreed that the situation in india is just catastrophic. people are leaving relatives, friends, and it is difficult to know that. some are encouraged by the u.s. response. some people said they were glad and grateful to see that the united states is sending in ppe testing kits, the materials to
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make the vaccine. some of the vaccine to come to india from the united states. that's not happening just yet. a dire situation over there that people are feeling here as well. >> ron allen, live for us there. thank you ron and steph. more ahead this hour, we're going to take you inside of president biden's american jobs plan with marty walsh. the secretary will be with us in a little bit. new today, the white house set to reunite four migrant families. what we're now hearing from the homeland security secretary this morning. one state first to become poised to punish social media companies. stay with us, we'll be right back on hallie jackson reports. t back on hallie jackson reports communications in the media for 45 years. i've been taking prevagen on a regular basis
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donald trump might end up on your social media feeds as soon as this wednesday. the oversight board said they will release a decision at 9:00 eastern on whether or not it will end or continue the former president's ban from facebook and instagram or if it will be somewhere in the middle. and in florida you have ron desantis signing a bill that will punish companies that do things like ban politicians. tony, we're really glad to have you with us because we sflou a date in time. first, you know this well, explain who is on this oversight board when are you looking for in this decision? >> we are certainly reevaluating this decision to whether or not
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permanently ban president trump. the issue is in the issue of the content oversight board that you can think of as a supreme court for content. there is about 20 people on this board, fashioned to be independent and they're viewing the decision that facebook made after the january 6th deadly insurrection on the capitol. so we could end up in a situation where the president's accounts could be restored in full, and if the decision is binding on the company. >> the first big test for the oversight board is the highest profile test and decision yet. and talk about some of the past decisions that they made internationally.
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it has seemed they tended to lean in favor of what is free speech versus deplatforming or finding a way to please that needle. >> right, and many of those cases were individual users who had their content removed for one reason or the other. appealing to the board and ultimately having the board come down and to see if they handled it relatively appropriately. facebook decided they needed to take a look at this. the implications here are significant to global. it generally has concerns posed by world leaders that say things that you and i couldn't say but social media companies have generally allowed to remain online that world leaders should be able to talk to their people in an unfettered way. you add in the added complicated
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politics here that president trump may not be done with u.s. politics and you can sort of see why facebook is looking at this right now. >> it's not just a buy fair decision, right? there could be some kind of, i don't want to call it middle ground, but something in that gray area? >> yeah, that is something there is supreme court here. it is a strong response from republicans that say they view the entire decision as anti-conservative bias. and there is plenty of people that say this is not true. >> and that is nice for the next question, the florida legislature passed a bill that
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penalizes social media companies for de-platforming customers. they say they could be charged a quarter million dollars a day for banning someone from the platform. >> yeah, that's the argument that a lot of folks made here. florida is saying, or could be saying once the governor signs is that facebook is required to handle speech in a certain way. so many could claim this law is unconstitutional. but i think it speaks to a bigger concern that you and i were just talking about. a believe among republicans and conservatives that's social media companies are biassed against them and any decision they made in the content
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moderation is a sign that they're trying to sensor a particular group of people and many folks have said that is simply not true. >> another show, talking us through this, appreciate it. >> we're just under two hours away from the funeral of andrew brown junior. the background is more unanswered questions. the police body cam videos have not been released to the public after the judge ruled that only the family would be allowed to see that footage. we'll bring you the latest coming up. and growing concerns that the taliban could return to power with the withdrawal of troops in afghanistan happening now. we're live on the ground with
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so president biden is unveiling a new policy in his american families plan. it covers 12 weeks of paid parental, family, and sick leave. the plan lets people get up to $4,000 a month while on leave and two-thirds of their weekly average pay replaced. i want to bring in ali vitali that is looking into this. tell us what you found. >> yeah, the economic recession that resulted from the pandemic drew attention to care as a temperature centerpiece. now as the nation reopens and biden highlights care as an important piece of his
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infrastructure push, many advocating are hoping that now is the time for action. >> dawn's first year of motherhood nearly broke her. >> i wasn't ready for what i faced. >> she nould not sleep or stop losing weight, but she was able to take time with her newborn and to heal. >> i kept thinking if it's this hard for me, how hard it must be for all of the women that give birth in this country. >> chris garcia was his father's caregiver, his employer would only give him a few days off. and he is like there is nobody to cover your shift. >> a few days later, doctors called chris at work. he was forced to get permission to remove his dad from lifesupport by phone. >> it took me nearly eight years to deal with the built that i felt.
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>> i wonder what having an actual paid leave policy would have done for your situation. >> if i had a policy in place at the time it would have made a world of difference. >> in a recent survey of 41 countries, many give paid leave, but the u.s. gives zero. but a number of states have some sick or paid parental policies. illness can happen any time, they passed emergency care for some workers but it was only temporary. now president biden is pushing for something more permanent. >> no one should have to choose between a job and a paycheck. or taking care of themselves and their loved ones. >> biden's plan guarantees 12
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weeks of paid leave. the plan would pay up to $4,000 a month, and bolster the lowest paid workers. it is a lofty goal with a hefty price tag. $225 billion over 10 years according to the white house paid for by raising taxes on the wealthiest americans. >> what i think we should have learned in the past year is that at some point in our lives every one of us will need to give and receive care. we all are one diagnosis away from a crisis. >> branding will be a key part of selling this to the american public. look at this poll from the next week. biden gets high marks on his handling of coronavirus and of the economy. it starts to dip when you talk
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about taxes and spending. this is why the branding is so important. when polsters ask americans about specific policies, like expanding child care and paid leave, those policies poll quite well. >> ali, live for us there with that great reporting. thank you so much. the president also working to sell this plan privately. so to talk about that let me bring in now labor secretary marty walsh. thank you for being on the show. >> thank you for having me, thank you. >> sure, let me start big picture here, where do negotiations stand right now on the jobs and infrastructure plan? can you tell us more? >> well we just got off a call a little while ago and we were talking amongst ourselves doing a outreach to lawmakers and also take holders around the country. as you saw everyone seems
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excited about this plan. even when you talk to some members of congress, they like certain aspects of the plan and there is a path forward. this, i was watching some sunday news, they talk about a wish list. this is not a wish list, it's moving america forward and moving the american people forward. >> you talk about a path forward, secretary walsh. how long will you be walking down that path forward. >> i think it is a critical month or month and a half. that is in the american families plan. infrastructure is in the plan.
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so there is lots of opportunity here for us to have good conversations and these plans are about moving america forward. they really shined a spotlight on a lot of vulnerabilities in a lot of areas. and i think that is what the president's plan is, to build back better, but it is about infrastructure for the american people. >> given the timeline you laid out, is it fair to say that memorial day could be a pivotal turning point, if you will, for the white house to move on if you're not making progress? >> i think this budget process
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is moving forward. there is an american rescue plan in some of these budgets. it's not a yes or no answer, it's not that simple. >> okay, let me ask you this, you have republicans as you talk about these negotiations, many of them seem to draw a mine that says but don't want to roll back the 2017 tax cuts. they want to raise the corporate tax rate. explain how if neither side moves in their position, how do you square that? >> you think about the american people, the plans, and i think when you go out and talk about it like right thousand, we're not taxes the average american worker. anyone that makes $400,000 or less will not be increased on. we'll still have a lower tax increase than under the bush
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administration. we're looking for ways to make the investments, pay the bills, and pay down the debt. this is not about adding to the deficit, this is about tackling the deficit and making the plans move forward and paying for these plans. >> you have the jobs market, april unemployment coming out on friday. some economists think we could see two million jobs added, that's a big number, are you that optimistic? >> i don't know. we had a good month last month. unfortunately in some of our areas unemployment was still too high in the black community. women have come back to the workforce a little bit, but we still have over two million women pushed out of the workforce. i don't want to assume too much, but we are recovering from the covid-19 pandemic. >> what about the jobs shortage
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versus a labor shortage, right? you have businesses that talked about the trouble to hire back workers, expanded unemployment insurance, the stimulus, the idea, theys of some that some could afford to go back to work yet. >> no, i don't think so. we're still in the midst of the pandemic. many people are still taking care of their loved ones. people are still getting sick, they have to stay and take care of their loved ones. so i think the bipgest driver for getting people back in the swfrs going to continue to get
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people vaccinated. that people will feel comfortable coming back into the workforce. i'm the former mayor of boston and one of my concerns is downtown. we have so many businesses down there, but i think as we continue to move forward here i will start to see more people going back into, hopefully, if the virus, if we get it under control, getting people back to work. >> marty walsh, thank you for being on the show, we appreciate your time. >> next up, a growing republican rift. the price congressman liz cheney might say for saying what she really thinks about former president trump. could she end up out of her leadership position? plus, the boos greeting mitt romney in utah. greeting mitt romney in utah [ding] power e*trade gives you an award-winning app with 24/7 support when you need it the most. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.
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family feud, it is a thing happening with a common thread. being trump, the highest ranking woman in the family seems to be on thin ice right now. cheney has been at odds with her own party after speaking her mind about the january 6th events and voting for impeachment. >> a person who says many things and i don't hide the fact that i wasn't a fan of our last president's character issues. and i'm also no fan -- [ audience boos ] >> in another sign of where the gop might be going, filling a
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north texas congressional seat. they came from a crowded field of nearly two dozen candidat serks. good to have you on. >> good morning, by the way i love marty walsh's accent by the way. bear with me for a little bit of set up. deserve the commercial break and it is perhaps no koins dhaens this coincidence. and the election of 2020 will be from this day forth declaring this will be the case.
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it is interesting here. it is basically saying i'm still going to tweet about this and fire off my own tweets. >> i saw your reaction for what she just tweeted while getting ready to go on the air. cheney is going to lose one of her own, going to take the position she wants, to go down fighting. i take it, i think it is a fore gone conclusion. it is really a question of who does it, who doesn't have it and it looks like she will lose her
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leadership position at this point. >> you think she will go down swinging if that is the case. >> yeah it just looks like it. they get back, the house is out this week, they will come back next week. you could see a resolution or a vote as early as next week or something like that. that could happen. >> then we show it'd in the set up to you, what happened to senator mitt romney in utah. senator susan collins reacting to that. i want to play for you what she said when she was asked about the riff. we need to be accepting of differences in our party. >> but i have to ask you, they
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made a point but it has been bigger than former president trump, talking about trying to save the titanic when it is already at the bottom of the ocean. is the writing on the wall where the g.o.p. will go from here? >> you know that is an excellent question. i don't know you could see it, i mean, we have this every day in the capital. we have a wide being up front in the republican party. we see it all of the time. romney, his people were surprised he wasn't sentured. others that voted for impeachment have been sentured. i think in the long term as long as trump is out there agitaagit,
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putting out statements like today, then the republican party will have serious problems. he is, as you pointed out, he is the fulcrum for which the party revolves. they had the rnc meeting at mar-a-lago. so i mean as long as trump is out there talking and talking about running again in 2024, this is going to happen. this is exactly what he wants. >> super quick because you pointed out in punch bowl, the nrcc recently sent out a fundraising e-mail slamming opponents. low does kevin mccarthy address this? >> he needs trump because he can't have trump attacking his incumbents. he wants to be the speaker of the house and he can't have
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trump talking bad about his incumbents. he is going to florida all of the time. he is down there, i believe this week. it is a major fundraising spot. he needs trump at least not attacking him, but he has kind of messed up what his statements are. it is a difficult position for him. mitch mcconnell on the other hand doesn't talk about trump at all. but mccarthy tries to straddle it sometimes. it's not a place you can be in the party right now. >> john, thank you, it's great to have you on. thank you for talking us through that. i'm sure we will talk about it more in the days to come. new warnings from the top u.s. general at troops start leaving afghanistan. we're taking you live on the ground with our own richard engel. and the biden administration will reunite four migrant
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at least four are dead, dozens are hurt. officials think that boat was part of a human smuggling operation. the administration is discouraging people from taking the dangerous journey to the southern border. and out of an estimated 1,000 families still separated, the biden administration is announcing that four will be reunited this week. that is part of the reunification task force. they are ready to grant humanitarian parole to the parents to come back with their kids. they're looking into longer-term status for the kids but
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immigrant advocacy groups say this is ra drop in the bucket and they're taking credit for something they only played a small part in. kind of feels like some of these groups were hoping for more from this task force at >> that's right. it is good news, of course, for the families. it's good news to see this administration moving in that direction of reuniting families. the groups say it's not time for a victory lap. there is still over 1,000 that are separated. a lot of the families would have been reunified even without the task force. it took lawyers and negotiating with the government of mexico to get the travel documents, to get the parents back here. really what they are looking for from the biden administration is a policy that says, when these parents come back, the parents deported while their children remain in the united states, when they come back they are given protections. they have not only humanitarian parole but asylum. they are allowed to live here and work.
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the families, because of the trauma they went through under the trump administration, that they should get special protection. right now, that's something the biden administration has not committed to doing yet. we did get a little bit of a window into their thinking yesterday when they briefed reporters and said it's part of a negotiation and federal lawsuit, they are looking into what they can do to give them longer term status. there could be good news on the horizon for the families. right now, we are looking at these four. we understand with one family, there was a boy as young as 3 separated from his mother three years ago. they will be reunited this week. that's good news, hallie. we really want to continue to watch this until 1,000 more families are reunited. >> that's right. that's going to be an incredible scene later this week. thank you for your reporting and for staying on top of this. turning to afghanistan where nbc news is on the ground as the u.s. pulls troops out of that country with the first of the last service members starting to
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head home. after forces have been on the ground nearly 20 years. as this withdrawal becomes a reality, new security concerns and uncertainty for people who live in afghanistan. the chairman of the joint chiefs said the afghan government and military face bad possible outcomes against taliban insurgents. years of experience against the islamic state group but declined to say they are ready to stand up solo. richard engel joins us from kabul. good morning to you. >> bad outcomes is one way of describing it. they are worried about a civil war. most people think some kind of civil war is going to start fairly soon as this u.s. withdrawal gets underway and picks up speed. all u.s. troops are supposed to be out of here by september 11th, according to president biden. the expectation is that they will be gone well before then.
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already the withdrawal is underway. contractors are leaving. some ngos are working diplomatic staff. afghans are leaving. they are nervous about what is to come. not only could there be some sort of civil war, you could have a state collapse. you could see the afghan government fracture. you could see the afghan military no longer able to keep control of the security situation. in many of the outlying provinces already, the taliban is operating openly. here in kabul, there could be a stiffer fight. in some of the outlying areas, you could see the taliban begin to exert more and more control starting relatively soon. this means the taliban could come back in power or certainly exert more influence in a wartime situation. all of it is very -- it's very difficult times ahead for the
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people of afghanistan, particularly for women. i was at a school today where boys and girls were learning in the same building. under the taliban, girls were not allowed to go to school. girls were told by the taliban, by an edict, that they shouldn't leave their homes at all. if they had to go outside for emergency situations, they had to be wearing the all covering burqa. people are no rights to speak of. they were not encouraged to speak in public let alone sing or enhance themselves through education or anything else. i was at a girls squirrel today. they account for 40% of all people enrolled in schools, both higher and lower education. i spoke with a 17-year-old girl. she doesn't want the taliban to come back. she grew up without the taliban. she grew up hoping that there's going to be a future under this umbrella of american protection. she knows the internet, the outside world. she speaks english.
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she is studying rocket science among many other things. she is afraid of what's coming. but she also knows the afghan government is not very strong. it's not that the taliban is going up against a strong united army and a strong united national government. this government is already very weak. this society is very fractured. now with the american troops leaving, it could open the door for the taliban or other even more radical groups. this is coming from a 17-year-old. >> we are really worried about the future, about circumstances in the country. we are in a critical situation. the health crisis and our education system is not that good. we are not in a good situation. >> not in a good situation. a situation that could soon get
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significantly worse. the taliban is feeling very empowered. they are watching american troops leaving and getting ready to leave. they are feeling that they are victorious, that they were able -- or that afghan fighters were able to push out the british empire and able to push out the soviets and now we are able to push out the americans. that is the force that is heading toward this city. >> richard engel, we are grateful to have you joining us live from kabul. i know you will report throughout the day. we look forward to seeing more of that and more of your stories. back here at home now, politics in the u.s. as it relates to transs rights, backlash for caitlyn jenner. one of the highest profile trans americans says she opposes trans girls playing on girls sports teams. look at this exchange.
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>> this is a question of fairness. that's why i oppose biological boys who are transcompeting in girls sports in school. it just isn't fair. we have to protect girls sports in our schools. >> if someone transitions as identifies as a girl, isn't it delegitimizing -- >> have a good day. >> she's defending what she said on twitter is a growing number of states, as you know from watching this show and our coverage of this issue, introduced bans on trans girls playing on girls sports teams. jenner tries to build support for her campaign for governor of california. i want to bring in joe yurkava. thanks for being on the show. >> thank you. >> listen. you have jenner, who is a big figure in the trans community. a lot of people remember when she came out at transgender. she's somebody who is an athlete
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formerly. she was really trying to talk to people about the importance of trans advocacy. what do you think it means and what have you heard from people in the community that she would come out now and say something like this? >> yeah. trans people are saying this will have a huge negative impact because jenner is an athlete. they think this could be used as fodder to support the wave of bills targeting young trans athletes you mentioned. at the end of the day, they say that this could hurt trans kids who are bullied at higher rates at school. it will perpetuate this idea that the humanity of trans people and their basic inclusion in society from even a young age is up for debate. >> it's an issue, too. she is running for governor. obviously, there is potentially a political component to her reaction here, at least to the
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fact she's attempting to run for california governor. this could have changed her trajectory if she came out when she was younger in school. >> i would think so. if she lived by this view that trans women shouldn't compete in women's sports, then she would have excluded herself from competition. as you noted, she didn't always hold this view. in 2015 and even last year on a podcast, she said the opposite. advocates are saying it appears like she's flip-flopped in order to get california voters' attention. >> thank you for being with us and talking us through ta sto t story. we will continue to cover that. that does it for us. we have a lot more with craig melvin picking up our coverage right now. good monday morning to you. craig melvin here from msnbc headquarters in new york city. we are following a number of emotional stories at the center
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of the biggest conversations happening across america right now. first, in one hour, the funeral for andrew brown, junior, is set to start in elizabeth city, north carolina. it's a city that never expected to be a chapter in this part of america's story. family and friends will gather to mourn his death. also, demanding transparency. in a few minutes i will talk to one of the attorneys to talk about when they may be able to see more than the 20 seconds of body camera video from brown's death they were initially allowed to watch. in the fight against covid-19, this is a headline no one wants to see. reefing herd immunity is unlikely in the united states, experts now believe. one biology telling "the new york times," quote, the virus is unlikely to go away. san francisco is bucking that trend. we are live in the bay area this morning to see what they are doing so well as the
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