dot get mad. get e*trade and start trading today. good afternoon. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. president biden is on his way back to the white house after traveling to the hampton roads section in virginia to pitch his $2 trillion map to help america's families. today's trip focused on education and dr. jill biden who is a working teacher visited schools and the president talked about the big choice the country needs to make. >> do we want to give the wealthiest people in america another tax cut or give every high school graduate the ability

to earn a community college degree on their way to good paying jobs. >> earlier this morning in kentucky mitch mcconnell answered the president's question. >> so how to pay for the infrastructure bill on our side is, we're not going to revisit the 2017 tax bill. >> as this battle plays out, the cdc reports that roughly 105 million americans are fully vaccinated and a new abc news/ipsos poll finds nearly two-thirds of americans are optimistic about where the country is heading. this as the biden administration is set to reunite four families this week separated under the trace. we're going to talk with white house senior adviser on migration amy pope in her first live msnbc interview coming up in just a few moments. joining us to start all of this off nbc news political reporter vaughn hillyard, digital white house correspondent shannon

pettypiece. give us the message the president was making today, what was the main point? >> this was his third stop on the getting america back on tour for joe biden here. today's focus was education. that's why you saw him with first lady jill biden at this community college in plymouth, virginia, making the case for two years of free community college access for every student in america. at an elementary school today, making the case for universal pre-k, access for every 3 and 4-year-old to get a free preschool education. that is, again, why you saw jill biden here on the road in this virginia stop honing in on the education as part of this two-part package here. i want you to hear from joe biden who is trying to make the case on the road about the -- to the american public about the

intimacy and relatibility, about why this is important to their lives and through the lens of his own. take a listen. >> the cost of child care is extraordinary. i was a single father when i first got elected to the senate. two young boys raised after their mom and sister were killed. i had the family i had, i would never have been able to do it. >> reporter: that's where you saw today biden, he was making this a choice for the public, do you support free community college education if, in fact, you do, then it would take simply lowering that -- the tax rate for those that are earning those top 1% earners back to 2001 levels under george w. bush. he said if, in fact, you were to move the tax rate at that 2001 level, it would bring in $13 billion a year, enough to cover free community college for every student in america. he said that is the choice that

american public and the legislators on capitol hill have to make. >> shannon, the president is expected to invite lawmakers from both parties to the white house this week to talk about infrastructure and the various proposals throughout. is the white house still hopeful that it can reach bipartisan agreements on, you know, things like infrastructure? when you just heard mitch mcconnell say they're open for it but not going to revisit the 2017 tax bill that would be needed to pay for this. >> right. the white house says they're still open to talks and negotiations, but they're not going to go on forever. they want to see a counter proposal by mid-may and see some serious progress being made by memorial day or then they're going to reassess this bipartisan path. a big sticking point right now as you mentioned appears to be taxes and whether you can pay for this $2 trillion in infrastructure by raising taxes that were cut and reduced under the trump administration. here's what maine's susan collins had to say about that

earlier. >> don't support american businesses paying the highest corporate tax rate among developed countries in the world once again, and unfortunately that's what 28% would be and that means that jobs would once again go overseas. >> reporter: she doesn't want 28%. maybe she could go to 25%, 26%. republicans don't want $2 trillion. maybe they could go down to $1 trillion. i talked to people on both sides, there's a lot of distrust that the other side is negotiating in good faith, neither really seems confident that the other one seriously wants to come to the table and compromise. >> let me switch gears. the biden administration announced it will reunite migrant families separated by the trump administration this week while the reunification task force estimates over 1,000 families still remain separated. talk about what more we know about these reunifications, if

more will take place, how long the reunification process is expected to take? >> right. of course we're just over 100 days in and we're just starting to see this process happen after the biden administration put in this family reunification task force back in february. for privacy reasons the administration is not saying much about these families. we do know one of the children was separated when they were 4 years -- 3 years old. one family is from honduras and another from mexico. beyond that we don't know a ton of details. i will say in some great reporting by my colleagues julie and jacob, they talked to advocacy groups who say the administration is taking credit for work they didn't really do, that a lot of reunification work has been done by the nonprofit groups and say the administration could be doing a lot more, that the nonprofits have been reuniting families and they want to see the administration step in and do more here. >> we're going to ask the white house about that in a minute. thanks to the both of you for starting our coverage off this hour. as i mentioned with us now,

senior adviser for the white house on the issue of migration, her first interview on msnbc in this role, amy pope. thank you so much for joining us. i greatly appreciate your time. as we mentioned four families being reunited what's the process been like trying to find these parents and matching them with their children? >> look, there's been a lot of hard work that's gone into this. it's not just one agency within the united states government. there's several agencies that are involved. there are nonprofit organizations. there are several governments from different countries involved. it's really complicated, but we're really thrilled to see these four families be reunited and this is just the beginning of the work that has been going on for some time. >> to the point that my colleague made, the immigrant advocacy organization is accusing the biden administration for taking too much credit for the reunification saying dhs has done nothing to facilitate the

return of the reunification of these parents other than to agree to allow them in. the only reasons the mothers will be standing at the point of entry is because they negotiated their travel visas with the mexican government paid for the airline tickets and arranged for reunification. i want to give you chance to respond to that statement. how much is dhs relying on groups like these to help the reunification process? >> there's no question that the nonprofit organizations are playing a very important role here. they're really critical to the success of the whole endeavor. but ultimately, you need the federal government involved, you need the department of homeland security to facilitate the parole of families back into the country, to allow them back in to make sure that we are making the appropriate match between children and their parents, to make sure governments agree. there are a whole host of tasks have that have to be accomplished and requires a partnership between the federal government and i'm pleased to

say that's happening. >> can you give us an overview out of the thousand families or so we just mentioned four, how many more are about to be reunited and where are they in the process and do you have a number on how things are looking? >>. >> i don't have a number. what i can tell you is that by june 2nd, you'll see a comprehensive report on what's been happening here and we expect that number to go up. again, this is an important partnership with a nonprofit community. there have been people tracking this for some time. the biden administration is committed to making sure we reunite children from with their parents from whom they've been separated during the last administration. >> let's widen out customs and border protection reports it encountered more than 172,000 people trying to get into the u.s. at the southern border in march. that's a 71% increase over the previous month of february. democratic senator mazy hirono said that the vice president, kamala harris, should go down and needs to go down to the

border. why hasn't she yet? >> the vice president has really been focused on the root causes. i think we can all agree that what we've seen at the u.s. border is just a symptom of what's been happening within the region itself and the vice president and the president recognize that unless we address the acute causes as well as the root causes of this migration, nothing will change at our border. the vice president has been absolutely committed to that and she's met with the president of guatemala and the president of mexico. she has an ambitious agenda set up for the departments and agency. she's ensure that they are accountable and we're moving forward quickly and really getting to the heart of the reason why people are migrating in the first place. that's where i think she can be the most effective. >> as you probably know the latest data shows about 790 children in border patrol custody and more than 22,000 in care of the health and human services department. the numbers are going way down to the administration's credit, so how is the current flow of

minors being handled by authorities? >> i'm really pleased to say that there's tremendous cooperation happening right now between the departments of health and human services and the department of homeland security. we've created a whole of government, very comprehensive approach that the minute the child comes into the customs and border protection facility, they're identified, they are appropriately slated to go into either one of our emergency shelters or into a licensed bed, and then ultimately to be reunited with their family or their sponsors. it's taken some time to get these processes down. as you know we came into this administration without enough beds, without enough infrastructure. we're really starting way, way behind the eight ball and it's taken tremendous effort to get to a place where we can now move children through the process appropriately and that's great news. >> there were unfortunately four people killed and 25 injured yesterday after a boat that was used in a suspected human

smuggling operation capsized off the coast of san diego. it's raising a lot of questions about human smuggling. can you talk to us about what the biden administration is doing about the issue and the dangers of human smuggling in particular? >> this is one of the reasons why the vice president's engagement is so important. we know that people who are desperate to come to the united states desperate to flee their homes, are going to come whatever way is available to them. our first instance is to make sure there are legal pathways an appropriate channels for people who are fleeing violence or persecution to find a way into a legal cham, either to the united states or other countries. but also to take action against the smugglers themselves. there's good work happening between the united states, between the governments of mexico and central america, to really focus on the smugglers, to share information on the

traffickers, to make sure that we're bringing a comprehensive approach against those who are trying to exploit the desperation of the people trying to flee their circumstances. >> amy pope, white house senior adviser from migration, thank you for your time. >> thank you. switching gears for a moment, the family of andrew brown, jr. said goodbye as they continue to push for answers 12 days after he was shot by police. i will be joined by california congress man eric swalwell, vaccination efforts, the push to recall his governor in california, immigration and the investigation into rudy giuliani. we're just getting started on a busy monday afternoon. you're watching msnbc. you're wa. . say hello to your fairy godmother alice. and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain!

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today mourners and family gathered at the fountain of life church in elizabeth city, north carolina, to celebrate the life of andrew brown, jr., who was

shot and killed by county sheriff deputies on april 21st. >> the video is going to have to come out because when we stand in the house of god we know that a lie cannot live forever. >> seeing everybody, i'm glad we're together like this right now. he would have loved this. i just wish he was here with us. >> this must stop. enough is enough. how many funerals do we have to have before we tell the congress and the senate that you've got to do something. >> peaceful protests continued in the city over the weekend calling for the release of the full body camera footage. the district attorney says brown's car made contact with deputies while avoiding arrest but the family disputes that saying the 22nd snippet of body

cam video they viewed showed an execution. joining me is priscilla thompson in elizabeth city and host of msnbc's politics nation reverend al sharpton who gave the eulogy for andrew brown. priscilla, what is the reaction in the community today as this continues to drag out? the pursuit of transparency as the family mays -- lays andrew brown, jr. to rest? >> it is the same message we have heard over the past 12 days of protest and that is a demand for justice, a demand for greater transparency, and the demand that that police body cam foot annual be made open to the public. now as you mentioned, the family was able to see a 20 second clip and we expect they will see the rest of the video by the end of this week per a judge's order although it's unclear to what extent that video is going to be redacted. folks i've spoken to today say

that is not enough. they want the video released to the public. i spoke to one woman sharon who drove five hours from a different part of the state to be here and stand outside of the services because the services themselves were invitation only, but she told me she wanted to be here to pay her respects. take a listen to what she had to say. >> i assumed after the floyd trial that things might die down. hoped, i guess. it seems like they've accelerated. i extend my condolences to the family. this has got to be very painful. the fact that they haven't been able to see exactly what went on when there were so many officers present and i assume a lot of video cam footage, i think the family is owed that and the community is owed that. they need to know what's going on here. >> reporter: and so ayman, still a lot of questions in this

community about what comes next. i also spoke with a retired police officer who was here. again, did not know andrew brown, jr. personally, but didn't want this family to feel alone or to feel like after today they were going to be forgotten. he says that he's going to continue helping to organize those protests until the body cam footage is released to the public and until they feel like they have received justice in this case. ayman? >> priscilla thompson in elizabeth city, thank you for that. rev, you gave an impassioned eulogy calling for the release of the body cam videos, by one account nine officers on the scene. talk about why you don't believe that judge's 30-day delay is reasonable? >> why do you need 30 days to release a tape saying that this might prejudice potential grand juries. they're going to see the tape. what is going to be on the tape

any different in 30 days than is on there now. you only raise the suspicion and the impatience of the community and the family. the tape is not going to change. so they need to release the tape. it is not going to be different. if you keep stalling you make people feel like you are editing and playing games with the tape. to bring the family there telling them they could see the tape last week and then only show a 20-second snippet is almost insulting. i think that when you hide something, you give people the feeling that you have a reason to hide and that's not healthy and that's not leading to justice. >> it raises questions about the integrity of the investigation and the fbi announced they were opening a federal civil rights probe into the shooting of andrew brown, jr. do you have confidence in that investigation?

>> i think that the problem is that if the fbi and others come in and clearly put everything on the table [ inaudible ] the community will have confidence. when you are having this battle over whether the county or city is in charge it's like playing a game. [ inaudible ] one way. maybe this, maybe the city, maybe the county. i think what we saw is the faith community coming together and say we may disagree but stand together and healing means divulge everything, open and fair investigation, have the federal government supersede all of that which is why we need federal law, the george floyd justice policing act which we talked about all the way through the funeral today. >> let me ask you about something that's made news over the past couple days which you brought up during your eulogy, you called out south carolina republican senator tim scott for saying that america isn't a

racist country. it's something the vice president agreed with. what is your message to senator scott on the day of andrew brown's funeral? >> the day of andrew brown's funeral i say to senator scott, what are you talking about? are you talking about americans are not racist? certainly not all americans are not racist. but when you deal with the systemic racism in this country, from the inception to the inequality there now, from levels of unemployment to education, to the criminal justice system to mass incarceration, how can you say that is still not based on racism? either we're dealing with racial inequality because blacks can't compete and can't equal whites do or we're still dealing with institutional race imism.

is he talking about the american people or a system still rendering unequal and unfair results? >> all right. reverend al sharpton thank you for joining us with your insights. always appreciate it. >> thank you. aleccy navalny's network is disintegrating. after the break i will be joined by long-time putin critic and survivor of not one but two suspected poisonings. you're watching msnbc. onings you're watching msnbc. sensodyne sensitivity and gum gives us a dual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes your stomach for fast relief and get the same fast relief in a delightful chew with pepto bismol chews.

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secretary of state antony blinken is traveling to ukraine on wednesday where he will meet with president za len zi to eaffirm the united states' support amid a rise in tensions with russia. the russian military began withdrawing troops along the border after amassing tens of thousands of troops raising alarms in the west. joining me is russian opposition politician and the survivor of two suspected poise pgs. it's great to have you with us, vladimir. let's talk about tensions between russia and ukraine.

how do you see the military buildup play out among the russian people while at the same time, there is a crackdown on protesters and opposition leaders within that country? >> ayman, good to be on your program. those two angles you just said are connected to each other. the modern history of russia the repression and external aggression are always two sides of the same coin. we've seen this throughout our modern history and the reverse correlation. when russia domestically is more striving for democracy and rule of law at home, then it will have a much more friendly and progressive and pro european foreign policy. under vladimir putin under the last 21 years, we've seen the two parallel tracks. on the one hand an ever increasing, ever intensifying domestic repression against opponents, against anybody who disagrees with the current corrupt and authoritarian region that mr. putin has built inside

the country and on the parallel track the rise in external aggressiveness, the rise in the sort of hostile aggressive posture towards the outside world and especially towards the world democracies led by the united states. this is a process that is now entering its third decade and everybody knows what the main traits of the putin regime, more than six years ago, the leading political opponent of vladimir putin former deputy prime minister boris nemtsov was gunned down in front of the kremlin wall. to this day the organizers and masterminds of the assassination continue to enjoy full protection from the highest levels of the russian state. we know there are hundreds of political prisoners in our country today, most prominently alexei navalny, the opposition leader, who has been incarcerated in violation of the decision by the european court of human rights for more than 100 days. i checked this number, according to human rights group if we take the narrow definition of a

political prisoner defined by the council of europe and the organization, the number of political prisoners in russia today stands at 382 people. just to put things in context in january of 1987 in the waning years of the soviet union the soviet government admitted the existence of 200 political prisoners there. that was an underestimate. the number of prisoners in vladimir putin's russia is double in the later years of the soviet union. i hope that when u.s. president joe biden has his planned summit meeting with vladimir putin later this summer as is being talked about, the issue of the immediate release of political prisoners will be at the top of the agenda. >> let me ask you about alexi navalny. russian authorities are looking to add his group to a list of extremist organizations. his team has shut down their nation wade offices. do you believe that navalny's political organization will be able to survive as a legitimate

opposition group to vladimir putin? >> what's happening a few days ago the moscow prosecutor's office suspended the activities of the navalny organization, formally requested that the moscow court designate these organizations as quote/unquote extremists, putting them on par with groups such as isis, the taliban, or al qaeda. remember, we're talking about a peaceful, political movement whose methods include holding street demonstrations, supporting opposition candidates in elections, publicly investigating government corruption including recently and prompt nently vladimir putin's $1.3 billion italian style palace on the russian black seacoast. for the first time since the soviet era, the russian government is criminalizing political opposition. anybody who dares to oppose the current oppressive and authoritarian regime is equated with being a criminal. they can declare what they want through the court systems but at the end of the day they won't be

able to do anything about the fact that there are millions of people in russia, across russia, who fundamentally reject putin and want russia to be a normal european country. vladimir putin's russia is down to 27 nrs a recent poll, four months away from an election. >> speaking of -- >> yeah. speaking of the parliamentary election, because we're running out of time, the next parliamentary elections are slated to take place in september. the next presidential election will be 2024. what do you think is the future of political, you know, life under president putin? >> well, of course, elections in russia have long become meaningless rituals with predetermined results. real opponents, for example, alexei navalny are not allowed near the ballot. the growing problem is even in these circumstances when they have full control of the national media, full control of the political process, full control of ballot access and when they are able to disqualify real opponents from the ballot

even in these conditions they're beginning to lose because such are the growing protest sentiments in russian society. greater and greater numbers of people across russia, especially the young generation, are saying enough is enough. it's not okay for one man to stay in power into his third decade. so as we saw spectacularly two years ago in the moscow city council election even after disqualifying all the real opposition candidates the pro regime candidates lost nearly half of the districts across moscow and they are terrified of this humiliation being repeated. it's very important to emphasize that everything the putin regime is doing, the growing repegs, it's not a sign of strength but weakness because they know they're increasingly losing their grip on russian society. >> vladimir kara-murza, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. and from the push to oust liz cheney from her leadership role to mitt romney being booed at a gop convention, the infighting that's infiltrating the republican party. a lot more coming up on that.

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in about 42 hour facebook will decide whether the social media platform will continue its suspension of former president donald trump or allow him on its site as florida's republican led state legislature approved a new bill in reaction to the ban to place fines that ban politicians like trump. ron desantis says he will sign it as he pursues a policy agenda that positions him as trump's political heir and the republican party struggles over its identity. joining me is mary ellen, miami herald capital bureau and capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. mary ellen, i'll begin with you, how far is desantis going and positioning himself for republican voters and how has the state legislature helped him with that effort? >> the florida ledgely tour

finished its regular session and pretty much gave governor desantis everything he asked for. as it relates specifically to some of these post-election culture wars. for example, the social media he was to penalize social media companies for deplatforming people will -- people will face -- or the companies will face $250,000 fines for any incident and they've got to warn people and give people 30 days. they've also passed a number of other things. today the governor signed too law a bill banning so-called vaccine passports. companies and schools in florida will no longer be able to show or require anyone to present evidence of vaccinations. then there have been other bills that have passed. a bill that will ban transgender girls from participating in

school athletics. so we've seen just a long list of proposals that came through the florida legislature and they're really all designed for sort of a national audience. >> garrett, after former president trump put out another false statement about the integrity of the election, this morning, the number three republican liz cheney posted this saying the 2020 presidential election was not stolen. anyone who claims it was is spreading the big lie, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system. look, you're on capitol hill a lot more than i am. is cheney going to be able to continue to say these things and remain in that leadership position and what are her allies saying? >> i think it's inevitable that we're going to have another vote on cheney's leadership. she's on a collision course with not just the majority of her party but the house republican

leadership all over the map when it comes to trump but have lately tried to say less, and less condemtory things about the former president as an effort to try to keep a big tent for house republicans. cheney is getting a little cover from some of her fellow house republicans including anthony gonzalez, republican from ohio, who told reporters i believe in politico over the weekend if a prerequisite to be in leadership is to get up and lie this is not going to be a good fit for liz cheney because she's not going to lie to her voters and to her fellow colleagues here. now gonzalez also voted for the impeachment of donald trump and if those are the only allies that cheney can count on she's in trouble. there are just ten house republicans who did so. in the last vote or the last challenge to her leadership, she survived by a 2-1 margin. she also had the backing of kevin mccarthy and steve scalise. her fellow leaders. i don't know that that would be the case if there were another vote tomorrow. >> i have to is you about the political developments in texas. i know you're following it in

that state. republicans, they're following up on former president trump's fixation on election results. what more do you have on that? >> just the last 20 minutes or so the former president put out a statement claiming credit for susan wright, the widow of the former member in this district ron wright, winning the special election or advancing to the runoff. the former president claiming credit for the fact that the second place finisher, someone he did not endorse but who made the usual efforts to align himself with president trump, another republican, finished second, meaning democrats are shut out entirely. this is a suburban district that includes arlington, texas, fairly large city in and of itself, southern excerpts of dallas and ft. worth. a district the democrats would like to play in but not one they put a ton of resources. you had two republicans battling to be the trummiest and got the

former president's endorsement did win the phase of this election. >> back to florida, i know that state has passed its bill restricting voting, but it didn't go as far as republicans like desantis actually called for. originally called for. why not? >> yeah. it was very interesting. the governor first came out basically saying that florida should ban drop boxes, and he sought more restrictions on mail-in ballots, but, you know, the irony of that is that that is a really difficult issue for republicans who traditionally have voted more heavily as mail-in voting than democrats in this state. it was an effort that was begun with former governor jeb bush who really pushed mail-in voting and made a difference in many elections in florida. so the governor had to sort of scale back that idea and as a result, the bill is not nearly as hard. but it is still opposed by the supervisors of the elections who

fear that it will diminish voting and suppress mail-in, make it harder for them to execute mail-in ballots. >> mary ellen, i want to ask you, we're running out of time, matt gates mired in a probe over six trafficking allegations. where does he stand in the big picture of florida politics? does he even run for re-election? >> well, it's interesting, yes, i think that he has no problems running for re-election. he's raising money. this has helped him. he's raised like $1.8 million since these allegations began. he is not going to face any likely serious challenges. republicans in this state have pretty much just remained silent. i think they're going to wait it out. >> incredible. mary ellen and garrett, thanks to the both of you. appreciate it. while it looks like herd immunity may not be in the cards for the country as a whole it

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california's los angeles county reported zero coronavirus deaths yesterday among its 10 million residents and while the number could be adjusted for reporting delays, it is a sign of hope in america's largest county. california cities like san francisco where 70% of people have received at least one one dose may be the first look at the post pandemic future and a test case for herd immunity. nbc news correspondent jake ward is in san francisco joining me now. good to have you with us. with more than two thirds of adults getting at least one dose is san francisco a realtime experiment in herd immunity in the same way, for example, countries like israel have been doing? how did they get there? >> reporter: it certainly feels like an experiment and a successful one. behind me you can see people making the way around. civic life resumed here in san francisco. the public library reopens today. bars will open next week in theory. this place has a transformed

feel. the emotions are very strong and speaking to the director of public health for the city and county of san francisco he told us this is as optimistic he's felt since this began and with 16 new cases of coronavirus just the day before we spoke to him he's just feeling very optimistic. emotion, however, also plays a role in how we got to this point. not only is there an extraordinary network of people knocking on doors, volunteering, getting the word out about vaccines but if you look at the nuks coming to vaccine hesitancy, cdc figures show that san francisco has only 7% of residents feeling any hesitation whatsoever about taking the vaccine. compared to other parts of the country where double digits as high as 30% of people can feel hesitant that is part of the success story here in california. >> all right. jake ward live for us there in

san francisco, thank you. joining me is democratic congressman swalwell. great to have you back on the program. let's talk about the progress in your state there in san francisco. what's your reaction to how it's playing out and what are the lessons applied in san francisco that could be potentially applied elsewhere? are you dealing with a different population base? the messaging? how do you explain it? >> it has to be like a city bus. you can't miss a vaccination site. in san francisco and alameda county next door where i represent that is what we aspire to have is that vaccination sites are not only at the oakland coliseum, for example, a mass vaccination site, but also, at churches, in communities that traditionally would not have resources invested in them that have been hit hardest by covid. we had an effort in my district for mobile vaccine sites to many

black churches where there's hesitancy with historical misuse of vaccines. i hope it is a model for the rest of the country and a benefit of the american rescue plan and the money into the vaccinations across the country. >> as you probably saw "the new york times" writes that many experts believe herd immunity is unattainable in the united states with hesitancy and new variants circulating. do you think it's no longer an achievable goal? how can we address the flagging vaccination rates we see in this country? >> let's prove them wrong. we have an opportunity to prove them wrong if we continue to invest in mobile vaccination sites. now herd immunity is a conception but to have the community immune would mean that it's less likely the virus can spread and different than, for example, disease eradication. but without being able to immunize our children, 16 and

under because we don't have use authority for that yet it is a challenge but once we are able to do that let's invest in vaccination sides at the schools and it's teacher appreciation week so let's make sure that the teachers are safe. we have a friend in the family with questions recently about vaccinations and what i have learned talking to friends and family members the worst thing to do is to shame somebody or to lecture them or to scold them. the best thing to do is to direct them to health care professionals and i really encourage people cdc.government with ways to answer questions but if you have doctors or people in the community to talk to them try to make the kengs to get the information they need and a decision to get them vaccinated. >> the intersection of politics and the pandemic for a moment. over pandemic restrictions fueled the recall against gavin

newsom. i'm curious your thoughts. hournd this play out from a democratic perspective? >> we could coa les on a no campaign to oppose the rault to recognize that this governor has faced issues that no governor before him faced with wildfire season after wildfire season, with a rising homelessness problem tied to historic wealth gaps in this country and this pandemic and we have the lowest -- one of the lowest infectious rates in the country with covid so let's collaborate to make sure not only the wealthy doing better but the people on the edge. i'm going to coalesce on that effort. >> going to a ballot should there be another option for democrats? >> no. i would not support that because no would keep newsom in office. >> okay. let's just finally ask you.

rudy giuliani and the investigation on that front if i can. nbc news confirmed the "the new york times" reporting an avenue of investigation is whether he was involved in efforts to remove then u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. how serious do you see this? >> very serious. giuliani led the campaign for donald trump and now important that independent prosecutors are able to follow the evidence wherever it may be, maybe as high as donald trump but to do rudy giuliani no favors to sweep it under the rug. hold him accountable and to say that no one is above the law in our country. >> thank you for fielding that question. appreciate it. that wraps up this hour for me. i'll see you back here 3:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow.0 p.m. eastern tomorrow symptom relief*

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