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instagram, @arimelber, doing talk about music and art. explain it all if you join me, 8:00 p.m. eastern. stay tuned now for "the reid out" with joy reid. ♪♪ good evening everyone, we begin "the reid out" tonight with a very sad man. who looking like that guy from your neighborhood who lives alone and no one trick or treats his house because looks weird and one time crashed your cousin's wedding or prom, that guy showed up to mar-a-lago wedding party this last tuesday, spewed deranged voting conspiracies literally a half
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year after he lost bigly to now president joe biden. >> arizona, interesting things are happening there. you know about that. and we just had a great ruling, actually the senate, state senate of arizona had a great ruling. let's see what they find. wouldn't be surprised if they found thousands and thousands and thousands of votes. we're going to watch that closely. after that we'll watch pennsylvania and georgia and you can watch michigan and wisconsin. watching new hampshire, found a lot of votes up in new hampshire just now, just saw that. >> cover band was like can we start playing '80s pop songs now? it's sad, isn't it? frankly embarrassing for someone who once held title of president of the united states. but that rather undignified figure, fading and decrepit though he is, is still supported by a vast swath of the republican party. and those republicans are waging
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war on congresswoman liz cheney, third ranking house republican. for now at least. she's faced huge backlash from her party for doing what she did in tweet, aligning herself with democracy and saying what's true, the 2020 presidential election was not stolen and refusing to bow down to the big lie. cheney was responding to trump's latest wannabe presidential statement, read like one of his old tweets with mast head on top. called the free and fair election itself a big lie. just as he calls real press fake news, very orwellian, very trump. truth is donald trump is declining in interest and performance. he's been canceled from the white house and twitter. only stage that we see him on lately is one he owns. this is the real trump, the one he desperately never wanted you
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to see. reclusive mad king trying to relive the halcyon days of his presidency, now even outshined by his own conspiracy theories. as big lie justified taxpayer funded new audits and new voter restrictions without him even being in office. the once grand old party remains obsequiously loyal to. question is why, david plouffe and tim miller join me now. thank you for being here. play another, mitt romney, 2012 presidential nominee, getting booed in his own home state of utah at gop convention. take a listen. >> you know me as a person who says what he thinks and i don't hide the fact i wasn't a fan of last president's character issues. and also no fan --
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[ boos ] >> aren't you embarrassed? >> listen, tim, i'm not a fan of mitt romney, i'll be honest, not a fan. but he has a dignity that's -- comports himself like a normal presidential figure, looks and sounds like, a certain dignity as a man. donald trump is ridiculous, he looks like he's smoking a cigarette and being like when i was a high school senior, i was captain of the football team. he's that guy at the party, yet the republicans are bowing to him like he's king. i don't get it, do you? >> i sort of get it. that was quite the video, david was nicer to romney in 2012 than the republican audience in utah. i was in south carolina and went to mike pence's very low key
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speech is there, first comeback speech and went to events to try to answer the question what is the reason for this. answer is that the republican base is desperate to take -- >> uh-oh, just lost him. going to go to plouffe. i want to hear the rest of that sentence, going to fix tim's audio, good old interwebs, not easy to work with. david, you did run against mitt romney. you know even somebody like mitt, willing to say a lot of bizarre things, like ed if i really was from mexico, might get votes. they are willing to lower themselves, part of the base has need for guttural politics. the but i wonder at this point, since donald trump is pathetic, can't attack them on twitter or
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really hurt them, do you understand why as matter of politics republicans are genuflecting towards him? >> i am puzzled, joy, only nine years, less than since mitt romney was republican nominee, and being booed at state party convention, and the carnival barker cult leader, diminished as he may be at mar-a-lago has the republican party captive. it's cowardice so many seem fearful, afraid of immigrants, masks or some of vaccines. but above all afraid of getting on donald trump's bad side. and none of these people. i've met a lot of people who sought politics, didn't go in to pay all political capital at
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knees of one leader. there's issues they care about, tended to believe in the constitution. got there because they won their election, and they've thrown all of that aside. my question is is this going to change? certainly don't think it's going to change through '22. i think the successful republican candidates in contested primaries will be those that embrace the big lie, that suggest that covid was created by chinese, that attack dr. fauci. that's where all the energy is, but not where vast majority of republican voters are, but that's what unites most republicans with cheney and romney notable exceptions, they don't want to do anything to get on the wrong side of donald trump, his ridiculous sons and trump's base. >> tim, you're back, finish your sentence. went to former vice president mike pence's event, then?
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>> county republican events in south carolina, and if you think donald trump sounded ridiculous, man named len wood is running down there, even more absurd, inauguration didn't happen, joe biden only got 2%, things -- told me joe biden wasn't inaugurated because the sun wasn't over his head and he's going to get quarter of the vote among the republican regulars in south carolina. the party is desperate for people to tell them what they want to hear, bring the liberals down a peg, and that's what donald trump plays into that mitt romney refuses to, god bless him. mitt romney is still trying to at least try to speak to underlying principles and believes and not going to tell people what they want to hear. but it's putting them on the wrong side of very angry, aggrieved and delusional frankly
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republican base. >> susan collins couldn't seen admit who she voted for. just got elected, got six more years. another video, michael flynn can recite the qanon pledge but not the pledge pledge. take a listen. >> listen, i'm going to say the pledge of allegiance, you're going to say it with me. i want you to hear, not just listen, hear every single word of the pledge of allegiance. that's our pledge to each other and this country. put your hand over your heart. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. individual -- >> and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible. >> with liberty and justice for all, god bless you.
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>> david, you lived through the tea party. how much is extension of that movement ground into the bones of the party, and then i have question for tim. >> great question. yeah. did not originate with donald trump, seeds were there, below and above ground. he was himself involved in the birther controversy. but now this has been normalized. and what really concerns me is do we think in 2022 republicans who might lose close house and senate elections are going to concede and go quietly into the night? i highly doubt it. we have to look ahead to '24 too. to tim's point, low bar, until more republican leaders saying at very least that winners of elections win elections and we're going to concede as we normally have been. our democracy is in grave danger, one of the gravest dangers our country has faced.
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all the voter suppression laws making it harder to register and vote, harder to vote absentee, antidemocratic. but big concern they want to take control from elections officials and voters and hand it over to republicans so they can stay in control. that's the threat. when romney gets booted and liz cheney may be out end of the week, two people on island, others are increasingly comfortable embracing this. >> that was going to be my question to you, i get the sense for regular order republicans, kevin mccarthy type, this is gotv. not that they don't think that joe biden is president and there's a fake green screen where we're pretending and really donald trump is, i doubt that kevin mccarthy is that stupid but they think their voters won't turn up and vote unless they're guaranteed to
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win, unless they're guaranteed black folks can't vote, only they and their friends get to vote, unless they hear from people like kevin mccarthy we worship you donald trump, you're really president, right? how much is gotv? >> that's exactly right. before i answer it, that michael flynn video was at a len wood event, guy i was talking about. i wrote about this for bulwark. he was donald trump's top national security adviser. so scary. quarter of the house caucus believes this stuff, plurality is about half, they're afraid, david and your point is right, they're afraid, want the voters to turn out, say whatever they need to do in order to do that and go along with whatever they need to go along with up to and including voting to overturn
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elections in order to do it. that's how things break down. but really quick, after 2022, those numbers are going to change and true believer numbers are going up and rest are going down. >> you're right. and everyone needs to read your column, question for democrats is what is more powerful, checks or bananarama cuckoo bird stuff. working-class voters, better be checks because we're in trouble if they get power again. david and tim, thank you very much. still ahead on "the reid out," andrew brown jr. is laid to rest as family demands answers how he was killed. two members of the chauvin prosecution team join us. still have lots of questions about trial and sentencing including why his long history of dangerous behavior can't come up. medical experts predict the u.s. will never achieve herd
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immunity, due in part to republican vaccine hesitancy. i'll have a word or two for certain fox news host all worked up about something or other, but i'm not sure it has anything to do with race, right? right? "the reid out" continues after this. es after this my grandfather was born in a shack in pennsylvania, his father was a miner, they were immigrants from italy and somewhere along the way that man changed his name and transformed himself into a successful mid-century american man. he had a whole life that i didn't know anything about. he was just my beloved grandpa. bring your family history to life like never before. get started for free at ancestry.com
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and have historically low risk. call today to request your free bond guide. 1-800-217-3217. that's 1-800-217-3217 andrew brown jr., grandfather, father, brother and son, was laid to rest today. shot and killed by county sheriffs deputies april 21st, shooting under investigation by fbi and state authorities. family members mourned his loss and continued calls for transparence from the county sheriffs department and calls for police reform. reverend al sharpton delivered the eulogy for brown after doing so for daunte wright.
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join a painfully large constellation of families lost people to police. families were there to offer support and condolences. >> it's a shame in america that us as black men we got to duck and dodge death when it's not even looking at us. >> some people says you'll get over it. you never get over it. you go on, you never get over it. >> i'm mad, outraged it happened again to somebody else. >> bishop william barber also spoke and bakari sellers and ben crump, lawyers for the brown family. >> because andrew cannot make the plea for due process, it is up to us to make the plea for due process. >> for black folk and white folk, democrats and republicans all watching today, they all need to know we're tired of the
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cycle of grief that comes along with being black in this country. >> andrew was a black man trying to make it in a society where black men are born in danger. but i want you to be comfort that he was a man. a father of seven, nephew, cousin, son, brother, grand grandson, he was a man! >> joining me now, reverend al sharpton, rev, as i think about the funeral, i think about black public grief and going all the way back to emmett till, we've had to display our grief to the world in order to have our humanity acknowledged. at certain point do you feel like these displays of grief are moving laws, are moving policy? or are they more catharsis for
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the family? >> certainly a catharsis for the family and it's needed because there's real pain. question is why we keep going through these expressions of grief without seeing legislation and policies changing what we're grieving about. so many of us are talking about we're tired of displays of black pain, but we need to talk about why we are feeling that pain and that is because we are not instituting and executing and enforcing laws that would remove what the pain is. when you count in the last year -- less than a year from george floyd was lynched by knee, any number of cases all way to today where we bury another person killed by police.
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wright to arbery to wright, some even after the conviction of chauvin. rather than analyze black grief, analyze what is causing the grievance. >> and thing is, i moved back to new york, brooklyn in 1988, you've been on this message about police brutality, racial profiling through president after president after president, watched president of the united states barack obama grieve and sing "amazing grace" after the massacre in charleston. what does it take to go from grief to getting something done? >> there must be strong federal law that gives oversight over state laws. that's why it's so important we have a strong george floyd justice in policing act passed
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by this senate that's already passed the house. we sat in the back of the bus for decades until there was a civil rights act of '64. we couldn't vote until there was a voting rights act of '65. so when you came to new york in '88, i was fighting. i was black in '88, i'm black in '21 and we still don't have a law that holds police accountable that disproportionately kills blacks, unarmed blacks. >> look how much we had to fight for antilynching laws, it's lifetime work. thank you for being here. joining me, congresswoman ilan omar, this is your district. in your district had the george floyd case, then the young man, daunte wright, also killed in your district, happening on top
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of the derek chauvin trial. ask you same question, dealing with compounded moments of black grief, how do you deal with that as a policy maker? and how can we deal with it better? >> yeah, that's a really good question and one we're all struggling with and continuing to deal with. there is a lot of emotional exhaustion that many of us who are black lawmakers and black people in public service are experiencing because every single day you know that there are ways to transform the justice system, the policing system, and you have to have conversation with people who want to turn a blind eye to the injustices that exhaust within our systems, who continue to insist this country is not a country that is racist, that our
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systems don't have racism embedded in them. and the sheer exhaustion that it takes for you to continue to plead for your humanity and dignity to recognized by your own colleagues is really a stripping process of one's decency really every single day. >> yeah. i mean have a story in front of us, columbus police, running amok, overuse of force. columbus officers now banned from using those methods of quote/unquote nonlethal force. on and on. you've introduced new legislation for this. it's like ping-pong game. could talk about 20 cities if we had time. you have a piece of legislation you would like to see go forward. tell us what that is.
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>> as reverend al sharpton was just expressing, it is really important for us to recognize that the criminal justice system is not adequate to prosecute and investigate itself. it's been very evident whether we see off cases where doj is invited or fbi comes in to investigate, those are cases that grab national headlines, right, they're not cases that many of us hear about in our own communities where there is never going to be justice for those families. so it is important for there to be a federal oversight board that does proactive investigations every single time a life is lost in the custody of police officers, every single time that there is bodily harm caused by the police, and to not just be where family members in
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the community pulling out into the streets demanding for oversight over the loss of their loved ones or injury that cost their loved ones, it is within the responsibility of an actual board that does these investigations proactively every single day. >> do you have cosponsors, do you think it can pass and also get through the senate? >> we're hoping to push it to be part of the george floyd justice in policing act negotiations. that my colleague and mentor congresswoman karen bass is leading. she's expressed interest in trying to bring it up as a next step because we know that the justice -- george floyd justice in policing act is a transformative piece of legislation, but many of the cases we've seen with daunte
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wright and others show us there are further guardrails needed. in order for us to transform these systems, we have to have strong guardrails first. >> i'll have to have you back. i'm out of time, i know you're working on issues in terms of refugees and resettlement, and i know that biden administration reversed course, maybe because they heard you say to do it. congratulate you on that. want you back for that. >> it's good -- >> what? >> promises made, promises kept. all we hope for, promises are kept. >> that's what good politics are about. congresswoman ilhan omar, thanks for being here. should derek chauvin's long history of dangerous police work been brought up at his trial? will it come up at sentencing?
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argued five aggravating factors, any of which would be grounds for harsher sentence. abuse of power inflicting gratuitous pain with other officers on vulnerable george floyd in presentation of minor children. joining me, jerry blackwell and steve slyker. i watched the trial every day i was able to, you did a great job of telling a story. i know you're not a prosecutor in normal life so call you mr. blackwell. one thing wasn't included we found out, derek chauvin has been a menace before, has a violent history as police officer, choking a teenager for 17 minutes, leaning on him. other use of force cases, 22 internal investigations. may i ask, number one, why that
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wasn't allowed to come in and will that be used as evidence he should get a harsher sentence? >> answer the first time, we had to make a strategic decision whether to bring in other incidents. we saw the video and thought when the jurors were able to see that video, it would pierce their consciousness in, of and by itself. so we focused on what happened in the 9:29, and focus was to keep the main thing the main thing and not delve into other incidents to bring their own proof issues and so on. trying to introduce those where the defense would be able to respond to them. it's hard enough to convict a police officer even with video of this sort. and we didn't want to leave any part where they could argue something other than the conduct that everybody could see, that george floyd was subjected to.
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we made a decision to keep focus on mr. chauvin's conduct as it related to george floyd and make that main thing, have the whole trial centered just on that. >> going forward will you make the same decision in sentencing? >> well -- >> in our sentencing, as you pointed out earlier, we pointed to features of the defense to give the judge to ability to give harsher sentence if he chooses. attorney general is not out for revenge, wants accountability and fair sentence. this is not a revenge sentence. but focusing on the conduct at hand, a defendant sentenced before a judge, not st. peter at pearly gate experience where you examine your life. we're looking at conduct that
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occurred on the ground at the same time and features of the conduct that may make it more serious and give the possibility of higher sentence -- the presence of children -- go ahead. >> stick with you. in the end you said what's the motive, pride. one of the most searing pieces of evidence in the trial was the face of derek chauvin, the blank look, even in the court. contrast with officer mohamed nour, him at sentencing. >> i have owed the family an apology for a long time. i did write them a letter while in jail, now i apologize in person for taking the life of
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such a perfect person who was dear to them and so many others. i caused this tragedy and it is my burden. i wish though that i could relieve that burden others feel from the loss that i caused. i cannot -- and that is a troubling reality for me. one question to you mr. schleicher, then mr. blackwell, if there's no expression of remorse will it factor in and could it factor in for the other three officers who are going to go on trial in the murder? >> i don't think in terms of what happens in the other cases, i can't comment on those, matters that will be dealt with later this summer. as far as whether expression of remorse would assist the judge in determining the proper sentence here, that's certainly
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something a judge could find persuasive. remorse or acknowledgment is something the community, family and whole system would find helpful. but we just don't know. we don't know his strategy or what judge cahill will find persuasive. sentencing a defendant, deciding what number of years in prison to sentence a defendant for criminal conduct is the hardest thing that a judge does. and i do not envy the judge in this case having to make that decision because it's very complicated. >> and there's a lot of implications for society. mr. blackwell, read things about you that are fascinating. you're not a prosecutor, been oi defense attorney and worked on posthumous pardon for max mason, people lynched, six black circus workers accused of raping a
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woman and trial was held and he was sent to prison. what inspires you to get involved in these cases? you did this one for free and took time off your beekeeping to do it. >> beekeeping is just alternative way for me to be stung doing the lawn. but max mason posthumous pardon, we knew we were coming up on the 100-year anniversary of the tragedy in duluth, minnesota, people don't think of the great white north as place where these tragedies took place. but one of the worst, 12,000 locals present for this in town of 100,000. commemoration was coming up, i learned more about the story of max mason, the young circus worker from alabama, only person convicted of this fictitious rape of a white woman.
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10,000 onlookers to those that murdered him, none were convicted of doing anything to anyone. and it was just a wrong that i felt needed to be righted, his name needed to be cleared. there was a stain frankly, hovering about the state that needed to be addressed also. seemed to be worthwhile for me and my law firm to get involved in. >> both of you members of a dream team. jerry blackwell, steve schleicher, i don't know if you can do beekeeping with your partner in prosecution but let us know. thank y'all. is reaching heard immunity out of the question? with so many americans turning a public health concern into a partisan issue? and few words about tv host's obsession with race. be right back. th race. be right back.
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so just for the record, i don't spend a lot of time watching fox news or the bs factory as cnn's jim acosta colorfully dubbed them. i like to be in reality, rather than stimulating amygdala to be on edge. but others who watch fox news so you don't have to, three times in last month tucker carlson took time off from badging strangers in parks to demand they show him their unmasked faces, called me the race lady. i used to run track but i'm not that fast. what else could it be? hmm. >> watch the race lady on msnbc, harvard educated, totally
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oppressed, racist claims. the race lady from msnbc putting harvard degree to work. wait a second, now you're confusing us. joy reid, the race lady on msnbc took a quick break from haranguing whitey yesterday. >> did he say whitey? oh, honey, is this really about me fixating on race or you fixating on race? i mean when you recently went off on me for continuing to mask up post vaccine jogging in crowded central park, you weirdly threw in attending harvard. felt like dog whistle. did you want to go and they reject you? and think they let the race lady in, affirmative action, ugh.
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i got into harvard, yale, vassar and university of denver too because i had really high gpa and fantastic s.a.t. scores, that's how affirmative action looks. schools search for smart people from diverse backgrounds so they're not as dry as the major sports leagues were before they desegregated. maybe you didn't have great scores and needed girlfriend's daddy to help you get into college, doesn't mean you don't have amazing pem in your life who love you. and you had fun at trinity after you were bought in right? what was the dan white society? you know what, moving on. just because the cia rejected your application, i mean look, things turned out fine for you. had a great career here at msnbc -- actually that didn't work out. great on cnn though, until jon
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stewart humiliated but. but you're fine. going great for you. race thing, i'm not one who spools out over my neighborhood changing like a segregationist housewife from the 1950s. that's you, tuckems. and not spouting conspiracy theory that white people will be replaced by democratic party conspiracy to replace them. that's the tiki torch nazis, that's you. reason i continue to mask up in crowded spaces is because i don't know how many people heard about the court case where your bosses said your show wasn't news. they listen to you like you are the news and i don't trust they're taking precautions against covid rather than freaking out against a piece of cloth and busting into target to
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cough on the products like touting measles blankets with them. you're keeping us steeped in rage and paranoia, and reasons you're keeping america we'll ha endless-covid hell, that the endless-covid hell that the tuckers of our country who, by the way, are the absolute worst, are helping to create. and that is next. lping to creat. anthd at is next i think the sketchy website i bought this turtle from stole all of my info. ooh, have you looked on the bright side? discover never holds you responsible for unauthorized purchases on your card. (giggling) that's my turtle. fraud protection. discover. something brighter.
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there is mixed news today in the fight against covid. the rate of new cases in this country has reached its lowest point, since october. and the fda is preparing to approve the use of the pfizer vaccine, in adolescents, by next week. and yet, there's growing evidence that the united states may never reach herd immunity. according to "the new york times," there is widespread consensus among scientists and
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public-health experts is that the herd-immunity threshold is not attainable, at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever. because vaccination is proceeding too slowly for herd immunity to be within reach, anytime soon. as we know, vaccine hesitancy is deeply rooted in a person's politics. among those unwilling to take the vaccine, 44% are republicans, while just 8% are democrats according to a cnn poll last week. yet, we have seen the country eager to get back to life, as normal. this weekend, more than 50,000 people gathered at churchill downs for the kentucky derby. including, many without masks. and while that's viewer people than in past years, it was still the largest crowd to attend a sporting event since the beginning of the pandemic. additionally, 80,000 municipal workers in new york city returned to their offices today. and the states of yo, york, new jersey, and connecticut, announced that start ongoing may 19th, straubts, offices, retail stores, theaters, museums,
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barbershops, gyms, and fitness centers will all be be allowed to operate at full capacity. joining me now, dr. kavita patel, msnbc medical contributor. and you know what? there is this sort of back and forkt, right? because the -- the reward for getting vaccinated is supposed to be a return to normal life. but i think there are a lot of us, who aren't -- aren't so much worried about our bubble. because our bubble are all doing the right thing. we are worried about the people who are refusing to do the right thing, and still make us vulnerable. the idea that we'll never get to herd immunity is terrifying, to me, honestly. what do we do if we don't get to herd immunity? are we going to have to live with a certain politically-charged population that is vulnerable and can spread it forever? >> joy, no. i mean, you are absolutely right to be terrified. and -- and ironic, that like our country has the most vaccine available. we have enough for everyone, aplenty. we are going to add 12 to 15-year-olds. and yet, we are still going to see these resistant patterns.
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28% of police officers in columbus, ohio, are vaccinated. that leaves, as you can figure out, 72% who do not want to be vaccinated. even though they were eligible for months. so, i do think we need to get into the next phase, where we are talking about requirements. especially, for critical settings. we still have four in ten healthcare workers who have refused the vaccine and they cite the same reasons, not the political ones. so do we need to work, at first, with people who have concerned about safety because i just can't give up. i am not going to concede that we give up on herd immunity, we have worked too hard, lost too many people to concede ton that point. >> joe biden, when he said he is going to do 100 million vaccines. he is doubling that. doing a good job. look at countries like india, and is just devastating. we are not at that level, yet. but are we going to end up there? because younger people are getting it. older people seem to be okay. but are we in the risk of going
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in the direction india and some countries in europe are going? >> it could. i think that's why everybody asks me, you know, doctor, why are you so cautious? i do what you do, joy. i am still wearing a mask when i am kind of among account crowds and it's exactly for this reason. i don't know who is vaccinated. i don't know where they come from and where they are going. and i don't know the immune status of people around me. so the reason we have to care about everyone being vaccinated is because these mutations are just looking. viruses are just looking for a place to reproduce. it's that simple and they don't care what politic, what color, what state you live in. so, you're right that this is a concern. and so, we -- look, in public health, we have done a terrible job at this. i think we need to figure out what is getting into people's kind of psychology. and for those people who are aligned on the political reasons to not get vaccinated. it's one of the reasons i do think we are going to have to requirements. i'm not going to go to a restaurant where people can just come in and put my children, who cannot be immunized at risk,
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because they're too young. >> that -- and then, and people sort of get mad about it but the reality, i don't want to be exposed to people who are taking the risk of getting covid. because that exposes my god mother, who is 87. my immune-compromised cousins and i ain't doing it. so, it's going to get to the point where people are going to group themselves, politically, to stay away from people who, politically, are deliberately exposing themselves to covid. do you think, i mean, i want to put up this candace owens. she did this tweet a year ago saying like, ha, ha, ha, india has only 169 deaths. it's -- but it's ten-times more deadly than the flu, bro. that kind of misinformation, even a year later, i still hear people saying that. it's just the flu. how do we convince people who are convinced that it is not that serious and so they are willing to take the risk? what can we say to them? what can we say? >> i -- i think we have to say what i have seen. what i know you've witnessed. that healthy, young people are
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dying. they can die from this. we have a vaccine that can prevent their death. and that, if you don't understand what i am talking about, putting a very rigid plastic tube down into your mouth and having a machine help you breathe. it's having tubes coming out of all parts your body because you can't actually eat anything. and i have seen this. i think, all the doctors we have talked to and worked with have also seen it and it's that dramatic. and then, i think it has to get down this to, joy. like, it's not about you. this is the one time we need people to step up, do their part. because one person's action can actually help the whole community. it's not about you and you need to get over it. it's for everyone. >> a -- amen. if this was measles or ebola, you wouldn't even ask a secondary question. come on, people. do it for the community. dr. kavita patel. thank you very much. before i go, i should note nbc news corrected its story on rudy giuliani. while the fbi was concerned that giuliani was a target of russian spies, they did not warn him of
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that threat as nbc news originally reported. the story had been updated to reflect that the fbi did, indeed, prepare a briefing giuliani. but that briefing was not given according to a second source familiar with the matter, because of concerns that the briefing could complicate the criminal investigation into the former new york city mayor. and we'll continue to follow this story. that is tonight's reid out. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in. the untrumping of america. >> just think about it in terms of what's better for america. how joe biden is thriving. the fierce urgency of now for democrats with former obama and clinton adviser, john podesta, and senator bernie sanders. then. >> i wouldn't be surprised if they found thousands and thousands and thousands of votes. how an area wedding mc doing 2020 cover tunes is still leaving his party by the nose.
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