hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc head quarters here in new york city. it is tuesday, may 4th, let's get smarter. this morning we're one step closer to the covid vaccine being available to all americans. the fda reportedly expected to make an announcement at any time authorizing children as young as 12 to get the pfizer vaccine. the move comes as the average number of vaccines being delivered is down more than 30% over the last month from high of 3.4 million a day in april to roughly 2.3 yesterday. we will hear from president biden on that in the next few hours. but for now we're talking about signs that american is starting to put this pandemic in the rearview mischer. new york, new jersey and connecticut, who were hammered early on, will look to lift capacity restrictions in sports, bars and restaurants starting

may 19th. they suspended yesterday. in oklahoma, the state of emergency is being lifted today. i want to bring in my team of reporters, stephanie goss, and the co-director for development from texas hospital and dean of the college of medicine. and steph, this is a true new york troll. the mare said july 1 and the november says mid-may. what is happening? >> if you have been following the back and forth between the mayor and governor, there's sort of i will surprise you and then i will surprise you going on all year when it comes to the pandemic. governor cuomo again surprising new york with the announcement. he said it's about numbers. vaccinations are on the way up in cases and hospitalizations and deaths are on their way down. it is great news for times square, where it's been nothing

but bad news for the entire year. the businesses here would be able to open up in a couple of weeks. it will probably take broadway longer. you can't just flip a switch, turn on the lights and the show starts again. also, you do have to keel social distancing rules according to the governor and all of that will have to be taken into consideration together with the guidance if you have people who come into your theater who have been vaccinated or who have tested negative for the virus, then perhaps you can fill the theater even more. all of that has got to be worked out. it could dictate where things go in the future. but right now some happiness here in times square maybe these businesses can see some lights after a long time being dark. >> tell me about you and me being happy parents. what do you know about the possibility of kids getting vaccinated? >> well, this is some interesting news. we know reportedly that pfizer might get emergency approval for kids 12 to 15 to receive the vaccine.

they have been going through trials with children. they're now going through a trial with kids even younger than that. their results show kids in that age group, that adolescent age group, their vaccine might actually protect them even better than it protects adults. and that decision, according to "the new york times," might come as early as next week. some other interesting news on that front, pfizer has said by the end of the month, it will apply for full approval. as you know what they've got right now, there are emergency approval. that's just temporary. full approval is permanent. steph? >> dr. hotez, what's your reaction to that? do kids need it? we get kids the flu shot. >> absolutely. here's why. there are two reasons, one, with the new variants, especially this b.1.1.7 variant that's accelerated across the country, we are seeing a lot of young adults get sick.

so this narrative it's exclusively an illness of older people is simply not true, and especially true of this b.1.1.7 barndt. and number two, if we want to open schools and have them be completely safe, meaning students, teachers, staff, bus drivers, that will be a game changer. having those adolescents vaccinated is important. finally, we need to reach 75% to 80% of the country vaccinated and truly the dramatically small are halted by virus transmission and we can't do that without automatic transmission. >> molly, take us overseas, the u.s. was the first country to surpass 20 million covid cases. india has become the second and the u.s. officially placed restrictions on travel from the u.s. to india effective today. what more can you tell us? >> hey, steph, sorry, the been went into effect today.

flights are still running for u.s. citizens for permanent residents. as that ban goes into effect, a lot more international aid from 40 other countries arrived. ppe, diagnostic testing, vaccines but, steph, it is not enough. 1.4 billion people, hospitals are overwhelmed. what's happening on the ground, the honus has been put on the patient's family to procure drugs and life-saving options. our partner sky news are on the ground in delhi. they spoke with a hospital icu ward. take a listen to what he thinks can be done. >> better than any help we can get from the west is not just oxygen, it is life-changing major disasters, what happens in them, doctors, nurses, hospital beds and this build up a

hospital from scratch quickly, that is what has to happen. >> steph, they need skilled crisis medics, and we have them in the u.s., to set up field hospitals, start triaging on the streets and start saving lives. not only do they need a lot more oxygen, they also need therapy. all three will save lives, steph. people are dyeing on the streets because they don't have access to basic medical care. >> dr. hotez, they might need your help. tell us more about the vaccine you're working on. >> our group at texas children's and baylor has developed a low-cost protein vaccine that uses an older technology, the same one that the hepatitis b vaccine uses. it's been around for decades. and what's nice about it is there's no upper bound to the amount you can produce. so we've now partnered with biological e, one of the big vaccine producers. they're also scaling up the johnson & johnson vaccine, and they say they have the capacity

to produce a billion doses. we just announced it's going to start phase three clinical trials with the hope it could be released for emergency use in india by the beginning of summer, and remember we have a billion people to vaccinate in subsaharan africa, latin america, and we need billions and billions of doses and something like this which is low cost, unfussy and easy to deliver. >> incredible. some places are turning away new shipments here because they don't need them. what happens to those vaccines? should we be saving them for when we get approval for our kids or send them to places like india before they could expire? >> it's not either/or. again, we have to think about if we're going to stop transmission in the u.s., we have to help canada and mexico as well. the needs are many. i think one of the things that's really important for the biden

administration is to create a more coherent foreign policy for vaccine diplomacy and how we're going to manage all of this. and we also have the problem internally as well. even though we're hearing great stories about new york and new england and a few other states, california, new mexico, we have this new type of disparity where as the top 10 vaccinated states which were getting over 50% of the state residents getting at least a single dose of the vaccine, those are all blue or bluish states. the bottom states are only in the low 30s and those are all red states. so we're starting to see this kind of blue/red divide across the country in vaccinating. and that's going to be the next big challenge to figure out how they can reach conservative groups and encourage them to vaccine. >> want them to be healthy. dr. hotez, molly, stephanie,

thank you very much. now we need to turn to breaking news out of mexico city, where part of an elevated subway line collapsed on a highway, killing at least 23 people. you can see the moment the overpass collapsed and fell captured on a traffic camera. it's stunning to look at. rescue efforts were actually suspended early this morning because of concerns about the safety of people that may be trapped in the subway car and people trying to get them out. nbc's gadi schwartz is following us from l.a. gadi, what happened? >> that's right, steph. at one point overnight those two rail cars were so precariously placed, they had to stop rescue work and call for a train to come in to stabilize them so we could continue. we know miraculously, is one man was pulled out alive after being crushed by his car after support collapsed and that subway came crashing down. all told right now, 23 people died. 65 people were taken to local hospitals and at least 7 people are in serious condition.

unfortunately, some of the dead are small children. at this point we just don't know how many. now the investigation is shifting into how this could happen. video that you just played shows that subway moving at a quick pace on its tracks when all of a sudden, the concrete beam collapses. the mayor says it is too soon to tell what caused that beam to collapse. but one of the mexico city newspapers pointed to concerns about stability dating back to the massive earthquake in 2017 along the same set of tracks. the number 12 line just a little bit more about where it happened, it's relatively new. it opened in 2012 amid construction problems, delays, allegations of corruption. the mayor at the time, who has since gone on to become the country's foreign minister, tweeted his condolences last night, and said he would be cooperating and trying to determine what caused the tragedy to happen. again, steph, 23 dead. more than 60 people still in the hospital. back to you. >> those images right now live

pictures, unbelievable. gadi, thank you. turning to washington where president biden is forging ahead with plans to work with republicans on those giant spending bills covering everything from transportation to home health care to free college. many so far, republicans are not having it. >> i don't think there will be any republican support, none, zero. for the $4.1 trillion grab bag which has infrastructure in it but a whole lot of other stuff. >> let's bring in nbc's chief white house correspondent peter alexander and our old friend hans nichols from axios. they have been talking about the calls they're making, the meeting with republicans, working on bipartisanship. but you heard mitch mcconnell, zero, zippo, zilch. what does the white house do with that? >> the white house is pushing back against this whole idea here. they refer to this not as spending but investments.

pete buttigieg, i was with him friday trying to make this case in north carolina, and he said the country for decades have been in a national experiment of bargain basement governance. we need to invest in the future going forward. as to the point mitch mcconnell is making that infrastructure is being too loosely defined by this administration, buttigieg said in fact whatever is preventing you from being able to lead a good life, if it's a road that needs to be repaired, that's significant. but for a lot of families, they require elder care or childcare for them to be able to pursue a job. as it relates to the topic of taxes here, he makes a similar point, wealthy americans and cooperations can afford to pay for they're fair but america, they say, cannot afford for its infrastructure crumble and cannot afford to have somebody help them with childcare and elder care and other topics of this time. so the white house and democrats broadly are trying to flip this conversation.

they focus on this as an investment going forward and say infrastructure is much broader than republicans would like to narrowly define it. >> so that very point, stock market all-time highs, big business killing it. ceos of companies who are basically shut over the last year making millions of dollars. given all of that, on what ground does mitch mcconnell say we're not touching the tax code, not for companies, not for anybody? how do you defend that? >> they're defending it ideologically. the same way peter laid out, what you hear from the white house is a two-part argument. number one, they need the revenue. that's why they're going after corporate and wealthy americans. they want to pay all of it. we will see whether or not all $4 trillion whether that is actually paid for. the other important point from the white house, stephanie, is they think this is about fairness, and the direction they want the country to head.

and the opposite what we are hearing from mitch mcconnell. so however long we find this, the next 2 to 12 months, how much do both sides come off their ideological positions and how much of the team is involved than will determine how big of a package you have or series, and by two, i mean series of smaller packages. >> but fair means different things to different people. reasons are unlikely to play ball but at this point president biden doesn't have all democrats on the same page. how is he going to get that done? >> he will with the numbers. that's just math, right? biden just goes lower on what he does for corporate tax. seems like for corporate tax, there's somewhat of a consensus, and i say somewhat because we're early in this process, in the 25% range. can you move down on capital gains. all of that is part of the bargaining, right? then you need to figure out what

joe manchin and krysten sinema, two moderates will bear. >> it's not just those two. you have higher tax, blue state democrats who made it clear to the president unless he makes some sort of concession, does something on s.a.l.t., for example, they're not playing. it's not just john manchin and kyrsten sinema, think about john manchin in california. >> yes, there are a lot of participants but this is what steve bercetche and others think they're good at. i was going to punt all of my s.a.l.t. questions to peter because i know peter has a special interest in the s.a.l.t. tax, but you bring up s.a.l.t., capital gains and you bring up a whole host of things, right? it gets very complicated. that's why the big-package idea, $4.1 trillion that mcconnell is accusing the white house of wanting, if you go big, it collapses under the weight of its complexity and the weight of

its price tag. that's the calculation they are trying to figure out at the white house. do you do a series of problems or go big? and you mentioned s.a.l.t. is an issue, personal gains is an issue. whole lot of things can you pick through and with narrow margin, all of those small issues become potential deal breakers. >> peter, want to weigh in on s.a.l.t.? >> do i want to weigh in on s.a.l.t.? for those at home who don't know what s.a.l.t. is, it refers to state and local taxes here. and the problem is in the 2017 new tax law under former president trump, the law changed where you couldn't just write off all of those numbers. typically for those in the states you needed, new jersey, new york, california, those high income, highest-earning americans don't benefit by all of those taxes they're paying. they can't write that off. that's why that's a real concern specifically for those states, to help inform those who are not familiar with it. i think hans is right. at the end of the day, i think they're willing to come down on some of these numbers here. and in my conversation with pete

buttigieg, when i asked him whether they break this up, do something small on infrastructure and do something with only democrats that's a little broader with that, he said it's not the mechanism we care about. we don't care how this gets done, we just want to see it done. i think for the course of several months, this is why our eyes will be focused. >> thank you to our special s.a.l.t. correspondent, peter alexander, and favorite antagonist, hans nichols. we will consider this continuation with white house comic adviser jared bernstein a little later this hour. up next -- the plans to oust congresswoman liz cheney, but could that make her stronger? and the strongest couple splitting up. what bill and melinda's divorce means for philanthropy, public health and a whole lot more. hea. but i know what time it is. [whispering] it's grilled cheese o'clock.

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developing this morning, the just-announced divorce of bill and melinda gates raising questions about the future of the massive charitable foundation they created together. erin mclaughlin is looking into that for us. >> hi, stephanie, that's right. this is a power couple that's known for their global philanthropy from a range of things from education to the environment and most recently the fight against covid-19. so this is about so much more than your average divorce. after nearly three decades of

marriage, bill and melinda gates have filed for divorce, ending what some consider one of the most consequential marriages in american history. each tweeting a joint statement saying, "after a great deal of thought and a lot of work on our relationship, we've made the decision to end our marriage." adding, "we no longer believe we can grow together as a couple in the next phase of our lives." the brief statement also noting there are three incredible children and their philanthropic foundation," and stating they will continue to work together at the foundation. recently they have been focused on the fight against covid-19, pledging almost $2 million to speed up the vaccine effort. >> our foundation has been one of the new funders for this new mrna approach. it helps with not just covid but for malaria and hiv as well. >> the couple met in 1987, shortly after melinda joined microsoft as a product manager.

in the episode "inside bill's brain," bill joked about his methodical approach to romance. >> he had to make a decision, and one day he walked in and his whiteboard had the pros and cons of getting married. and he opened up to savannah about life during quarantine and what it's like sharing housework with bill. >> neither of us are very good at cooking so doing a lot of microwaving. >> and their couple's children posting it is a challenging stress for the whole family. this follows the split of another seattle-based billionaire, jeff bezos, who ended his 25-year marriage to mackenzie. she walked away with more than $35 billion, immediately making her one of the world's richest people. so far, no word on how divorce will impact bill gates' estimated $124 billion fortune. it's also unclear how the divorce will impact the so-called giving pledge, which the couple helped create, it's essentially a group of families

who pledge to give a majority of their wealth to charitable causes. stephanie? >> erin, thank you. joining us now, founder of "new york times" and squawk with box on cnbc, bill and melinda gates, they give away $5 billion a year. does the divorce change that? >> it may not change that. look, this is a sad thing for a family no matter how much money you have. so let's start there because it's an earthquake in the world of philanthropy because it raises questions about what happens next. the foundation has said quite clearly they anticipate and expect to be able to do the work they've always been doing, but i think there's a couple of questions to be asked, one is warren buffett has pledged to give his entire fortune to the bill and melinda gates foundation. does that change under these new

circumstances? bill gates is one of his best friends, but he also loved melinda. i think there's questions about the future of the gates' fortune, much of the fortune, in fact, the majority of the fortune is not part of the foundation yet. it was always anticipated it would ultimately be donated to the foundation and then distributed to the foundation. they will both continue to control that foundation but as a result, could it be bill gates uses some of his fortune to fund things like climate change. he's working climate change and alzheimer's, which so far he's been doing outside of the foundation. melinda, for example, has her own group called pivotal ventures that works for mothers and families, does more of that money get moved towards those efforts as opposed to via this foundation that they both will control? and it also raises questions about the power of the foundation, longer term in certain respects, because

they've had a huge influence over public policy by being able to use all of that money together combined, but by splitting it up and there is a separation agreement and thus far that's been undisclosed, we don't know the specifics of it, how does that change that dynamic? a lot of questions i think in the philanthropy policy worlds this morning. >> andrew ross sorkin, certainly sad news to report. in the world of philanthropy, we need them to keep on giving. thank you for joining us. coming up next -- congresswoman liz cheney, she's not backing down, in fact, she's tripling down. but what happens to her and republicans like her if she gets kicked out of her leadership spot for telling the truth? and what congresswoman mccarthy just said minutes ago. o.

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gop infighting is taking a whole new level this morning with republican battle lines drawn. axios reporting they're closing to ousting congresswoman liz cheney for leadership and already considering replacing her with another female representative. this is all over congressman cheney telling the truth, refusing to back down of her criticisms of former president trump and the lies he continues to spread about voter fraud in the last election. congresswoman cheney saying, anyone claiming the 2020 presidential election is stolen is poisoning our democratic system. and for that, for telling the

truth about the election, former president trump is now going after liz cheney and even worse, republicans in power are letting him do it. joining us now, nbc's john allen and bulwark writer at large, tim miller. john, in any sane world, any attempt to strike down congresswoman cheney over telling the truth, would only make her stronger. but here's the problem, president trump's lies have an impact, 70% of republicans now do not believe that president biden won. what happens now? >> that's a great question, stephanie. the question whether we're living in the same world seemingly every week. i think what happens now republicans conference together as soon as they're back in town, conferences and the house has been out, and they will discuss this issue and whether or not they want to do something about

liz cheney. the problem is she has a huge platform. she raised $1.5 billion, a personal best the last quarter. she's interestingly the big foil to trump other than the congresswoman house effort. so i'm not sure the effect to silence her will be effective, as the last quarter century, this was a death sentence for political chairs. the last chairperson to move up from the leadership job was dick armey more than a century ago. we will have to see about her job but her job is not the reason she's in the news. she's in the news because she's out there telling the truth about what happened in the election, what happened january 6th and that is something that's comforting to many republicans, including former president donald trump. >> how powerful is the great foil to president trump? if republicans purge congressman

cheney, where does she go, non-maga republicans go? your house for dinner? >> exactly. i've got five seats at the table here. i would love to have liz over and mitt romney, adam kinzinger and i don't know who's fitting in the other seats -- the husbands, i guess. this is the problem, right? and maybe this is a long-term play for her. who knows what the future holds. you can never go wrongdoing what's right. but liz cheney doesn't have a home right now in this party. it has nothing to do with any policy issues. it's everything to do with her willingness to pop the bubble of disreality around the election lie and to actually, refreshingly say what happened on january 6th happened. and there's just no room for this. i was down in south carolina this week, and the republican base is basically split between two camps, one a total disreality camp that believes joe biden isn't even the president or certainly isn't rightly the president or another

camp that sort of rubs donald trump's belly, playing along with him, winking and nodding saying they're not so sure about the element results. there's nobody in local republican offices who is out there saying hey, we need to move forward for this. there's just no -- there's no interest in that among republican voters or leaders at the state level. >> yeah, but, tim, you talked it lin wood, run are for republican state chair, right, somebody so far outside the norm, running for the position that is the absolute norm. >> yeah, here's the thing, stephanie, what he's offering -- look, there's always been kooks. i have been in republican politics for a long time. for a while it was ron paul folks. for a while pat buchanans, patrick robertsons. lin wood is out there saying joe biden isn't even the president, and it's somebody wearing a mask. he's saying donald trump has

control of the nuclear codes right now, the pope might be dead and jeffrey epstein might be alive. and local republican insiders are telling me he's going to get about a quarter of the vote for the gop chair race down there. when i went to talk and ask him about this, he told me he knew joe biden was the vice president because the sun at noon should have been above his head and he was squinting. this is just completely insane stuff. and he now, okay, doesn't have a majority within the party but strong minority and the majority is one step over from him saying, okay, donald trump may not have the nuclear codes, but he did win. this is a mass delusion affecting the republican party. there was hope things would come back towards normal and they seem to be worse. >> let's talk about that infection, jon. it's infecting the republican party, and as kooky as it may be, what if it is the norm? as the average american voter out there, republican or democrat, are they paying

attention to this come 2022? or are they going to be voting if their taxes got raised and if biden's plan worked for them? >> i think they're going to be voting mostly on policy issues, and i think a lot of republicans right now are ignoring what are obviously conspiracy theories because they disagree with joe biden's policy and they agree with donald trump's policy. let's remember for the vast majority of americans who vote, really the election day or weeks before the election are the only times they're really paying attention to policy. >> how dangerous is that? >> it's very dangerous. >> the average american only pays attention on election day and say do these policies make me smarter, better, put food on my table, what happens if all of this craziness says oh, the policies work so we can ignore the crazy? >> it's very dangerous i think for the country and for the world because we're the leader of the world at the united states. it's very dangerous that truth

is not truth anymore for a large group of americans that one party in a two-party system has a man openly on small d democracy and small r republicanism. i think what you saw from donald trump was rejection of not only popular vote but electoral college and systems that underpin our entire clunt. not just in the election but for four years before that. i think we are in a fragile place in our democracy right now and we will continue to be there as long as somebody who is the dominant leader of one party, and that is donald trump, continues to lie to people and walk them down the road of conspiracy theories. >> tim, quickly, one person who can save or protect liz cheney's leadership position is house leader james mccarthy. he was just asked whether or not they should vote on her position and here's what he said -- >> there's no concern with how she voted on impeachment.

that decision has been made. i have heard from members about their concern for her ability to carry out the job as conference chair, to carry out the message. we all need to be able to work together as one if we're able to win the majority. >> do you believe him, tim? >> i think that's a cute way of saying she's got to lie now going forward. i think he's right. >> she's not going to. >> exactly. so that's the problem. it's not kuj to say that out loud, we're looking for liz cheney to lie to go forward, but that's something to say. but she needs to go forward winking and nodding about donald trump there in mar-a-lago but she's not going to do that and i think they will have a tough vote next week. >> i'm pretty sure couth is part of voting.

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hitting the road to sell his agenda, trying to convince the american people that nearly $4 trillion in new spending is what the country needs. "the new york times" breaking down the total spending in this pie chart -- i love this pie chart -- you request see big

chunks for tax credits and things like home care for people with disabilities and the elderly. but it seems like it's not the american people who need convincing, with seemingly no republican support for the plan but even some democrats not yet ready to sign on the dotted line. how do you support a bill that's not passed yet? joining us now is a member of the white house senior council of economic advisers. jared, let's start with the senior recovery and there's very good news. while there are americans struggling and need our support, this virus is on the run, jobs are coming back. we hear more and more about workers who are not wanting to go back to work because government assistance pays them more than their low wages, gdp nearly 6%, household income up 21%, record save igs for american families, and all of that sounds really good. but at the same time we're

asking the american people to spend $4 trillion to get us out of this hole with some saying we're not in a hole. we're getting back to a good place. >> we're still very much climbing out of a hole, but you're right, we're climbing with some irlacquerty, but i think it's important to recognize how deep that hole is. over 8.4 million jobs down from where we were precrisis. and that's a huge problem for working americans. and as you well know, it's not randomly distributed throughout the pay scale, it's affects those low on the pay scale. and that's why we have to be mindful not mixing up gdp grej with the prosperity and middle class families. and let's not conflate one quarter gdp results, a number of months of job results, with an eight to ten-year plan to invest in clean energy, in childcare, in elder care, in broadband, in

clean water. these are structural, long-term deficits that will not be solved by a quarter or two or three or four of gdp growth. these have been ongoing disinvestments for over a decade this president wants to solve. >> and getting back to normal doesn't fix these issues. >> exactly. >> and this is an enormous amount of money. where can you play ball? where are your top priorities? some people look at this and see elder care, hugely important. but where do you get a number like $400 billion? why not $800 billion? why not $200 billion? help me understand where these numbers come from. it's not like we don't have programs at all now. >> it's a totally fair question. i think the reason why there's some confusion there is that we never start in our policy process from a top-line number and try to hit it. we go from the bottom up, and we assess what will it take to close the very holes we talked

about a minute ago. you just mentioned community-based health care. there's a tremendous deficit in this country, and anybody with an aging parent, especially people who are not affluent, know that to be the case, where people put their personal finances through all kinds of difficult kind of conniptions in order to deal with an aging relative. this president wants to help resolve that conflict for people, whether it's elder care or childcare. and it's going to cost resources of the type we put forth. i think what's important, what gets a little bit lost here, is both the american jobs plan and families plan are paid for with highly progressive tax increases that don't hit anyone under $400,000 or in the case of capital gains, under $1 million. >> i want to stay on that. the argument we often hear about big government is we don't get rid of programs that don't work, right? if the government ran like a business and he said, these programs don't work, we need to fix them, we would get rid of

one and start another one. instead, the government just builds and builds and builds. so let's say instead we lay out all of these plans. would we wipe out another one? >> i don't just buy the premise. instead what we often do is we have necessary programs that don't work as well as they should. so we do have childcare help in this country but it is completely insufficient. we have a childcare dependent child tax credit that is completely inefficient. in the rescue plan, jobs plan, family plan, all of the masures are either made permanent or extended many years. but they should be fixed and that's what good governance means. >> i'm absolutely not arguing with what constitutes making a lot of money versus not but we're already hearing from some democrats in high-tax states,

what you think is rich isn't necessarily rich to everyone here. we need to address s.a.l.t. before we ask people in those states to pay more money because those states are already dealing with people leaving to move to lower-tax states. >> first of all, i think we have to just make sure everybody, not just here in d.c. but throughout the nation, recognizes that president biden has said anyone who wants to come forth with a good idea from the congress, from the house, from the senate, his door is open. he's already had meetings with folks to talk about their ideas. what's unacceptable is inaction. what's unacceptable is any tax increases below $400,000. and by the way, you talked about wealthy people scattered throughout the country, the capital gains tax increase that the president has proposed hits 0.3% of the population. i grant you, that's going to be a little higher in some places than others, but that is a tiny share of the population. >> i do have to ask you about $80 billion that's interesting to me, $80 billion for irs

enforcement. we know we lose a ton of tax revenue every single year from people who are not paying their taxes, lying about their taxes, cheating on their taxes. often the richest people out there. is this $80 billion going to to? >> it is certainly going to help, but this, this one is just so important. this is reversing the tax cut for tax evaders. these will help increase the reporting of under reported income and will raise hundreds of billions of taxes owed but not paid. nothing in that part of it is a tax increase. it is click a tax plan.

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