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break from republican leaders who have succumbed to donald trump. she is aware that leaders are planning to purge her because of her personality and says that history is watching. and on coronavirus, officials expressing optimism that we are turning the corner with nearly 150 million americans receiving the vaccine. but hesitancy at home and death in india makes officials fear the alarming news to come. >> and farm topics, dealing with china, potential of new talks with iran, future of afghanistan and the most critical topic here in ukraine, russian aggression
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after four years of donald trump. first of all, vladimir putin said he would with draw. he has not. he has left troops, tanks and artillery on the border, a continuing threat to ukraine. what is your message? >> i am here with a message for the ukrainian people and partners. a big part of that message is our commitment to ukraine's independence, its territorial integrity, sovereignty. we stand with them including any aggression from russia. also, the strong message that we stand with them as they work to make progress on reforming their democracy and making it stronger. i'm having government delivers for the ukrainian people. president biden wanted me to come here as soon as i could to
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send that strong message. he already had a good conversation with the president on the phone a few weeks ago, but now we are here in person with the same message. >> regarding the military threat, will the u.s. deet fend ukraine if vladimir putin invades. >> we have seen more forces deployed to the ukraine border than when russia invaded. some of the forces have pulled back, but significant forces remain. some of the heavy equipment has been pulled back, but other heavy equipment remains. they can turn that around fairly quickly. we are making clear our commitment to helping ukraine defend itself with security assistance, with advice. other allies and partners are doing the same and also making clear as what happened after
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2014, the community is against any reckless actions in ukraine. i hope we don't see any more. >> you have also made the point that corruption is a threat to ukraine's national security, yet just before you arrived here, the government fired the head of the state owned gas company. doesn't that show that ukraine has proved it cannot reform? >> they are flip sides of the same coin. ukraine has aggression coming from outside from russia, but also inside in terms of corruption that potentially eats away at its democracy. oligarchs that are advancing their own interests. we had detailed conversations with our ukrainian counterparts about the efforts they are making to reform.
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they have taken good steps but there are other areas where progress is needed which they need. corporate governance is one of them. so is judiciary reform and making sure there is an anti-corruption board, something we established in 2015. those are vital, but this is how you make sure the government is delivering for the people and not some special interest. corruption is a tool that russia uses to try to erode ukraine sovereignty from the inside. >> you said china is more aggressive than it has been before, both at home and abroad. >> when it comes to china, we have been clear we are not trying to contain china or hold it back, but we are determined to uphold the so-called rules based international order that we have invested so much in over
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so many decades and that has been good for us and the world. even good for china. when anyone takes actions, when they don't play by the rules, renege on commitments, whether in the commercial area or human rights, anything in that order, we are going to stand up and defend it. what i have heard in conversations with countries around the world, they are determined to do the same thing. >> joining me now is new york times chief correspondent peter baker who was the moscow bureau chief. we heard the secretary admit that russian troops and artillery are still at the border despite his promise to pull back. what do you think putin is up to? >> that's the question of the hour. officials say there is like 80,000 troops in range of
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ukraine and using that as a way to intimidate the president for several weeks. it is in connection with the domestic turmoil inside russia. we see putin trying to push down the opposition, say navalny who is currently in prison. every time he has gotten in trouble domestically as putin played the nationalist card as if the west is the provocateur. these are connected to each other. where they are going with it is hard to say. leaving 80,000 troops there for an extended period of time is hardly tenable in most circumstances, but does he want to use them for more than intimidation. that's the yes for president biden right now.
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>> and they are frank that corruption is a growing left to ukraine's national security and the president hasn't done enough to gain control of it. >> ukraine has had aspirations of joining the west in effect to become closer partners with the eu and nato, but one thing they have tried to impress upon is that it can't be a partner if it is not adhering to good governance, if it is a corrupt state. it is going to inhibit -- its evolution inhibits as it is tied to the u.s. and europe. you heard from antony blinken, just as you heard from the administration before president trump.
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>> this is only the fourth or fifth day on the job for the diplomat who became such an adversary of putin that she was handing out bread against the putin. he leaked audio. and she became a hero here. that is a big change. i want to play a little bit of blinken talking to the embassy and saying the policy of the trump years are over with the withdrawal of the last ambassador here. >> i know that the past couple of years have been particularly difficult. even before covid.
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ukraine and this mission were pulled into matters that should not have been the case. one thing that's very important is that politics stops at the door. that's very much the case now. >> peter, there is real residue from what happened with giuliani here and the withdrawal of the ambassador, her removal. is real damage done to the posture of the u.s. here. they have a lot of repairs to do. >> you could see that in ukrainian leadership. they did not want to be dragged into our politics. that's what happened in 2019 when president trump in that famous phone call said do us a favor by investigating joe biden, democrats in 2016. that sour taste remains. it's a challenge for president biden and secretary blinken to
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move the glacier beyond that. >> thank you very much. we will have part two later. >> how the secretary is focusing on rebuilding the u.s./ukraine relationship. let's go back to my colleague in washington. >> fascinating interview. look forward to it, but we have lots here. liz cheney fires back at her critics. fires back at her critics. i am robert strickler. i've been involved in communications in the media for 45 years. i've been taking prevagen on a regular basis for at least eight years. for me, the greatest benefit over the years has been
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president trump and top republicans who want her out of the gop ranks. she wrote in an op-ed -- joining me now is alli. what is the latest? bring us up to speed how cheney is handling this. it looks like she will pay for it next week. >> it looks like she will. she is right when she wrights in the op-ed, this is a turning point for the republican party. we have been writing about who is up and down within the
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republican office. liz cheney losing the battle she has been waging for several months as she speaks against former president donald trump and the lie about the 2020 election results. this provides for next week, an inflection point where the party is probably going to say they are more comfortable upholding a lie that is a threat to the tenet of democracy than with donald trump's ire. they are calling upon elise stefanik to replace her. but mitch mcconnell is not on board. >> are you going to do anything about this? >> 100% of my focus is on stopping the new administration.
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>> 100% of my focus is on standing up to this administration. >> you know the comments liz cheney has been making against donald trump is not new. but one of the reasons this is coming to a head is because they continue. they don't want the comments to continue for the republican caucus. >> mcconnell stopped, pointed at her and shook his hand at her as he went down the aisle which i think is where he really stands. >> david, i have to start with you on this today. you left the party because of
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president trump. it does not seem anything has changed. >> liz cheney is about to join the lonely group within the gop. i like the way alli framed this. this is a defining moment of the post trump gop or at least the post trump presidency gop. we wondered what it would look like after he left. this is telling us. this is suggesting that at least over at the house, that house republicans are willing to run towards donald trump during midterm elections, not away from him. and on january 6, we are learning that house republicans are willing to accept donald trump's undermining of the integrity of our elections, liz
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cheney is not. >> that's the difference, what happened on january 6 and how you respond to that. republicans who voted for former president trump and, frankly, changed their minds after this happened. donna edwards, what continues to be a huge problem for the country and democrats who will be running against republicans in the midterm elections. there are a lot of voters who only believe what donald trump has to say. how do you push back about the 2020 election? >> you know what? i actually think that joe biden is taking the right course on this, along with democrats in the house and senate. they are staying on message in terms of what the governing agenda is, what the policy is. most americans have not bought into those lies. i think for liz cheney this is about how the republican party is going to be defined in the
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future and she is playing the long game here. she laid that out in the op-ed that she wrote in "the washington post." i think it could be to her benefit not to be in leadership and constantly contesting on this question of the election being valid or not, focusing on her re-election, which will be really tough. but also raising a boat load of money from establishment republicans who know that the trump agenda, that the trump messaging, the big lie, is not the long-term future of the republican party. >> david, to that point, what is liz cheney's long-term future for the republican party. you have been in exile for a while. >> i left the party and won't be going back. i don't trust today's republican leaders. liz cheney will have to wrestle
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with that as well. how does she work and cooperate with leaders willing to celebrate donald trump. you will hear chatter that this is the time for a new party, gop-like party. i don't think a new party is viable. we have room, but it has to be a big tent party that doesn't approach politics on the left-right spectrum. how long can liz cheney stay within the house? i expect she will stay a republican, but she won't be a voice of leadership, but a voice of conviction. >> david jolly and donna edwards, thank you both so much for being with us this afternoon. coming up next, andrea will have more of her exclusive interview with anthony blinken. and how former president trump
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we expect to hear from joint chiefs of staff millie next hour. it will be the first briefing since setting september 11 as the date for withdrawing from afghanistan. >> afghanistan, the decision has been made, the president made the decision despite military advising against it. are you prepared for the consequences, the worst case which many of the president's advisers are warning about, that the taliban can take over and with draw all of the rights of women and girls that have been so hard fought over the years. >> if any future afghan state does that, it will be a pariah
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and will not have support of international community. step back for just a second. we have to remember why we went there in the first place. because of 9/11. we went there to get the people who attacked us on 9/11 and make sure it couldn't happen again from afghanistan. we succeeded in that effort. osama bin laden was brought to justice years ago. we have trained over the years well over 300,000 afghan security forces. other countries will remain engaged. everyone has to make some new calculations. that starts with the taliban. it has to decide whether it wants to plunge the country back into a civil war or whether it wants some kind of recognition
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to be an accepted actor in the international community. countries around afghanistan have to decide what they want and what they will use their influence for afghanistan moving forward or whether they won't do anything and allow a civil war that will have devastating consequences for them as well as the people of afghanistan. we are also focused on the diplomacy, see if the taliban will negotiate with the afghan government. we are vet focused on this including sustaining the programs we put in place for women and girls. >> is time running out for an iran deal? would you accept anything without first getting the american prisoners out? >> we have been engaged in indirect talks. they are starting up again.
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now at the end of this week. what we don't know is whether iran is actually prepared to make the decisions necessary to return to full compliance with the nuclear agreement. they, unfortunately, have continued to take steps that are restarting dangerous parts of their program that the nuclear agreement stopped. the jury is out whether they are prepared to do what is necessary. regardless of that, we are resolutely focused on americans who are being arbitrarily detained in iran or anywhere else. our team works on that every day, unfortunately, around the world. because there are places in a number of cases. when i got on the job i met with the families of every american being held abroad or is a
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hostage. this is a huge problem that i think you will see countries take a stand against. canada has two of its citizens being detained in china, has been helping lead in the effort. i think you will see more countries come together that this practice is unacceptable. if countries engage in it, there will be consequences. >> your grandfather who was a refugee came from around here, had roots. it has been a historically low refugee camp. is that damaging the president around the world? >> no, the president is working to let the united states be the number one country for refugees.
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as we looked at what was necessary to turn around a system broken in recent years, it turned out there was more damage done than we knew. on top of that, we had challenges from immigration on our own border. the same office that deals with refugees, also deals in part with the immigration problem. the president wanted to make sure before we followed up on a promise that he had made, that we could actually deliver on it. we needed to take tike to be sure the resources were in place, people were in place, programs were in place to receive refugees coming in. once he was satisfied we could do that, then we moved forward with this commitment. >> i have been talking to people here in ukraine. the fallout what happened under donald trump and rudy giuliani,
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the smear campaign with joe biden. that fallout is still pervasive, against the u.s., the reputation, the role model we are supposed to be. how much damage was done and how do you rebuild morale of the state department around the world that america represents? >> we are fully focused on this moment and the future. i think what you are seeing today by our presence here today, what you are seeing in the president's engagement is a reinvig racial, reaffirmation of our support for ukraine, our determination to make sure its security is upheld and that it continues to move forward with the reforms so necessary for the well-being of the people. >> not the fact that there was a parallel state department and world players here in this
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country? >> i am focused on the state department that i am incredibly privileged to lead for sometime right now. what i am seeing and finding in the department itself and in all of the missions around the world is people incredibly engaged in re-engaging the united states, revitalizing our partnerships, alliances. there are two big reasons for that. one, virtually all of the valuations we face that have an impact on the lives of the american people, pandemic, climate change, new technologies changing people's lives, we can't deal with any of them unless we work with other countries. acting alone, we can't do it. there is a lean-in on diplomacy. second, we know that if we are not engaged, someone else is
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likely to be in our place and maybe not in a way that is good for the american people, or maybe no one is and maybe you have chaos. i'm finding that the foreign office, civil service, are energized about leading diplomacy. the president has asked them to lead our foreign policy. that's what they are doing and are incredibly energized about. >> we will have a lot more of my reporting from ukraine tonight on "nbc nightly news" including what we were told about patent protection on vaccine and how that might impact getting critical vaccine back to the world. but for now back to casey hunt in washington. >> coming up next here, threat to voting rights. with the florida governor signing a new law and a similar
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welcome back. big news on voting restrictions in two states today. in texas protesters descending on the capital where a new restrictive voting law is one step away from wall. and in florida, governor desantis signs a new election law into effect on fox news shutting out other news. i am joined by colleagues. >> i want to start with priscilla in austin.
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republicans in texas are pushing this restrictive law. what are you hearing from those you are talking to about why they have come out to protest today? >> the house is in session as we speak, casey. they are tying up some loose ends. house bill 6 was the first thing on the docket so we expect them to get to that soon. it is the voting law that lots of folks have been speaking out about. we saw voting rights advocates descend on the capitol. i was with them as they held signs as lawmakers walked in. they say it is going to make it harder for people to vote, particularly people of color. i was able to catch up with congressman castro moments ago and he echoed that. >> texas already has some of the most restrictive voting laws in the country and they are trying
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to criminalize more parts of voting, make it harder for average section to vote, making it harder for latino community and african-american community. it's about fundamental fairness to go vote. >> texas does have a republican controlled legislature so it is expected this will end up on governor abbott's desk before the end of the session. democrats say they have already proposed more than 100 amendments that need to be debated and discussed. folks tell me the next phase will be the legal challenges. casey? >> priscilla thompson in texas. sam brock in miami. governor desantis held a news conference. why were media shut out this morning and who is going to get
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to ask questions? >> this was a bit bizarre. good to be with you. florida becomes the latest state to add a package of laws that adds hurdles to voting. this morning governor desantis signed the bill about 8:45 this morning in the name of transparency. fox news was inside the room, fox and friends. nobody else. anybody else who showed up was turned away. he was asked why weren't the rest of us allowed. he said it's on national tv. he held a press conference and answered two questions, one on hurricane infrastructure and that bill. this is what it does -- someone has to be physically
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manning the boxes. >> a little while ago we heard from governor desantis. here is what he said about that bill. >> we want to make sure our elections are transparent and not be funded by special interests. and we are going to continue with voter id to make sure you are who you say you are. >> the 1965 voting rights act was dismantled by the supreme court of the united states. here we are again with more groups filing lawsuits alleging discrimination.
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>> thank you, sam brock. >> there are 361 new bills with restrictive voting this year. there is texas and arizona and florida. arizona is still pushing for a recount of the election with donald trump saying it wasn't a fair election, and he won. >> when we think about what the republican party is doing, they are trying to pass laws in almost 48 states in our union based on this big lie. what you see here in every step is the gop is in some way trying to fashion itself closer and closer to possible as former president trump because he has
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so much power. he has the money power and fund-raising power and people closest to him, mar jori taylor green and elise stefanic. it was said at one place they are looking for bamboo fibers that were smuggled in from china. >> thanks to all of you. coming up next, in san francisco it's opening night again. live at the symphony call where the show must go on. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. a mitchel reports" only on msnbc we've been online for more than 25 years
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corner and things will return to normal by july. to make that happen. the administration is working to get the shot into 70% of adults. it really is the sound of hope, kasie. this was the first symphony hall in the country to lockdown in march of 2020 and now tonight is opening night. we spoke to the managing director here about his feelings going into this big event. >> i really do think as vaccination rates climb and that as we really beat covid back, we will get back to a place where we're having full houses, where we're not having to wear masks, where we can have intermission, where we can sell drinks. i think all of that is on the
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horizon. >> now, tonight, k.c., about 380 people, first responders, donors, will be able to be in here watching the first performance. they have to get their tickets in pods of two and four. they're not allowed to buy a drink in the auditorium and, of course, performers themselves have to adjust. each performer has to be six feet apart. and there will be elements missing, no brass, but people can enjoy this and with this performance will come back the bars, restaurants, parking lots, all of whom received an estimated $340 million from this facility alone, all of that a sign of return to normalcy here in san francisco, kasie.
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>> i love that shot. i love seeing you in the stands and hearing the trombones play as well. thank you very much for the report. we really appreciate it. joining us now dr. sanjay gupta. it's always great to see you. as we're talking about there, there's growing confidence we can start to get normal by july. still, there's no data from kaiser that only 90% of the adults surveyed in april who hadn't gotten the vaccine intend to do so. do you think we're being realistic san francisco can get to where it was by the summer? >> hi, kasie. i guess it's happening in pockets. it's not like you can flip a switch and everyone will be at the same place as far as herd immunity and places to open up like san francisco. and clearly, the hospitalization
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rate is 2 per 100,000 individuals. they have over 90% capability in icus across the city and that's what matters now. people are not in hospitals. and as numbers decline, that will be the key figure for health officials to say yes, we can start to open up safely, loosen restrictions on indoor dining. really it's the distancing requirements that is so burdensome for small businesses. but they will say, okay, we have some movement now. but there's a lot of risks and warmer weather, where we know coronavirus does not like warmer weather, and maybe we'll have decreased case transmission but we're still worried about the weather in the horizon. >> and getting kids back into
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the school the way we want them to be. i know you want to talk about the u.s. global effort with the u.s. backing a wager for release of patent technology. will this help? and what challenge are still there? >> i think it's going to help. there's still a lull splief happening right now that will not be mitigated right now by the decision yesterday, which was a smart one, don't get me wrong, but let me counter the private sector, there's a lot of public sector development into vaccines as well and a lot of people forget this. and it's the people's vaccine. so it was a smart decision by the biden administration. talking to colleges in india, they're still struggling for supplies for the next 30 to 60 days. they're looking at sputnik.
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johnson & johnson is still in the midst of approval. and there's long pull ahead for astrazeneca to get enough in supply. brazil, and i have been saying this any chance i get, we have mobilized new capabilities in the u.s. military. i'm part of the team that can deploy. we're not utilizing every leaver at our disposal to save lives now. i hope the biden administration thinks about saving lives out of the box, save lives in the short term while we expand access. >> very good point. and moderna has updates about their booster saying their effective against variants and looking at teens who may only need one dose. do you think we will need boosters and what will that effort look like? >> i don't know if we will need many boosters. right now the current vaccine ars as they exist today, kasie, are very effective. pfizer stated the vaccine is effective against the variants
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in preventing severe illness and we know in six months, antibody levels are super high. we may not need a booster. i know the government is planning on it in that contingency, but there's no guarantee. these vaccines are amazing as they are right now. >> dr. gupta, thank you for that, we appreciate your time as always. that will do it for us on this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember to follow the show on facebook and twitter. and you can follow me @kasie on twitter. don't go anywhere now, though, chuck todd is up next on "mpt daily" only here on msnbc. msnbc.
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