chapel hill. forbes randall lane, thank you very much. we can't wait for the big list to be revealed. go to knowyourvalue.com or forbes.com and click on 50 over 50. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is friday, may 7th and we start with breaking news on the economic front. the april jobs number is in. 266,000 jobs added last month, a hugely disappointing number. we've been expecting a million or more. the unemployment rate actually ticked up slightly to 6.1%. i've got to go straight to the white house and bring peter alexander in, along with the chairman of the council of economic advisers under president obama and douglas

hopes eakin, he was chief economist of economic advisers under president george w. bush. peter, i have to turn to you first, how is the white house spinning this? >> we will be hearing from president biden at 11:30 today. so you will get the first formal reaction when he speaks then. but based on my conversations there, i think it's likely the president will use this as a window to try to reinforce the argument he feels the american jobs plan needs to be passed going forward, insisting neareds needs to be done. officials insist that all along they knew this recovery would happen with "b.i.p."s and starts and would make the case that the american rescue plan, coronavirus relief plan with nearly $2 trillion was so crucial here. i suspect they will say things like a lot of work is now beginning to happen. just this week they were accepting applications for the restaurant revitalization fund. that's close to $29 billion.

that money begins going out over the course of the next couple of weeks. helping the hiring process there. the bottom line is the white house wanted to certainly see a much billinger number but i think they will tout some progress and insist a lot of work needs to be done. >> restaurants can use that $28 billion to pay people more because they have jobs out there to hire. people just aren't coming back to fill them. austin, how do you read this number? we all know there are many, many open jobs out there. why aren't people going to work? >> yeah, i would be a little careful because most of the stories you're hearing are about restaurants but if you look at the jobs data, leisure and hospitality is the one bright spot, adding more net jobs to the entire economy, almost a third of a million in the one sector. i think what we are seeing is a massive childcare crisis and i really think we need to address that. so women had a net job loss,

they actually did not add any jobs that there was a loss of jobs for women. and while schools remain closed and until we get day care going, i think employers across the country, especially who have traditional hired women, are going to be facing pretty significant labor shortages. so i think you partly got that and then you've also got shortages of all kinds of stuff, you know, whether it's steel or lumber or spare parts. whole bunch of things are in short supply because we're kind of coming out of this pandemic. so let's hope that this is the one-month flip. >> one of the reasons we're having shortages is because when you talk to all different types of businesses along the supply chain, they can't find drivers, they can't find people to work in factories. >> i don't know, lumber, steel, computer chips, those are not -- the prices of those things are

not going up, gasoline, because of labor shortages. i think you're seeing a lot of short supply because of the supply chain mix-up. you've been boarded up for the winter and then you take the boards off, there are spiders in the corner. you've got to kind of sweep up and you're seeing a lot of that. on the labor side, unless we address this issue of what we're going to do with kids that are age 10 and below, i don't see how we're going to get out of this problem. >> doug, what do you think? >> i think that's basically on the mark. there are two numbers that i think tell this story. the first number is the very, very large decline and people working part time for economic reasons. that tells you there's demand out there. s this -- there's been a ton of stimulus. there's money to be spent. there are job openings across the economy. if you look at the labor force rate that ticked up to 21.7, that gets us back to where we

were in august. we're nowhere close to the 63.4 that was the high before the coronavirus arrived. that's the constrain on the economy, getting people back to work. there are a myriad of factors there. austin is right. i think about day care and schools and some people are flat-out afraid of the virus and unwilling to go back to work. and we do have the $300 million federal dollar bonus that is just too rich for some parts of the economy. we have to deal with the supply side, that's what is holding us back. >> when douglass mentioned part-time unemployment going down, it makes me think should we be offering a phase-in approach. right now it's all or nothing. you get full unemployment benefits but if you want to go back to work to a part-time job, you lose all of those benefits completely and the current setup is you don't have to go out and look for work while you're receiving those benefits.

that was an accommodation made during the height of covid when we didn't want people going out. now things are much safer. >> right. that's true in some states. i did favor that kind of phasing down the ui benefit approach, and phasing it up as you're describing it. the thing is, the good news, if you think that's what the barrier is, the supplement to ui is temporary and is going away in a couple of months. so i think this issue about kids in schools and day cares to me is a paramount issue. if the ui were the maze cause, i don't think you should see as strong unemployment number in leisure and hospitality and lower-income of course pakss as you saw in this jobs number. this is a number that's okay -- in normal times, 266,000 would be a fine number, but we need it to be way bigger. we need to have that sustained.

>> then to that very point, the white house needs and america needs a lot of the things in the infrastructure plan to go through. we need improved childcare. go through the list, we need that. there's a $4 trillion price tag on it and those are all long-term, big changes that will help us going forward. we did, however, pass $2 trillion just two months ago in emergency funding. does it worry you we spent that much kind, kind of flooded the system with money which does just temporarily keep people home and that will fatigue those who say we just spent $2 trillion, i don't want to spend another 4 and the 4 is what we really need? >> yes, i'm concerned about that as politics. the thing about the $2 trillion, we haven't gotten hardly any of the $2 trillion actually out the door yet so let's see whether the money that's going to address the -- stop the spread

of the virus, there's money in that relief act that goes to address day cares and try to fix some of the labor supply problems. >> douglas, what do you think? >> i don't think it's the numbers so much as where we're targeting the money. we don't have a shortage of ability for households to spend. if you look at the data, there's tons of cash out there on balance sheets that people can go out and spend when the conditions are right. we have to continue to fight the virus. that's the core mission, and must be aware of the mutations and things like that, and we have to focus on these supply issues. certainly the day cares and schools have to be at the top of that list and money spent there, not the amount but where you spend it is the most important thing. >> peter, does this help or hurt president biden's case that he's making to pass this next $4 trillion? >> i think the white house would say this is all the more reason why you need to pass that $4 trillion in additional spending.

you're talking about issues, you just heard from austin about childcare. obviously there's a frustration this definition of infrastructure is being broadened out to include elder care and childcare and topics of that kind. but that's exactly what the white house is insisting needs to be done here. we're also getting insight from the white house now. you remember not too long ago before the nearly $2 trillion went out from the rescue plan, there was criticism from some circles, including some democrats, larry summers among them, that nearly $2 trillion was way too much money. the white house will obviously tell you that's not the case, the money is needed. but as you note, stephanie, it's the money going forward, the fundamentals for a lot of families, in particular women are looking to get back to work and require that childcare to the white house will make the case today. the president will be meeting with his jobs cabinet again today. we hear him at 11:30 as well. >> does this help the argument to raise the federal minimum wage?

right now somebody making $32,000 last year is getting -- and i realize it's short term -- more money on unemployment. does this help the argument if we raise the minimum wage to $15 or higher a, that's what people need to survive and, b, that's what will get them back to work? >> i would say it very much depends who you're talking to. if you're talking to democrats, i'm sure they will say yes. if you talk to republicans, they will say no. if you raise the minimum wage, you'll slow down employment growth even further. so i don't think the minimum wage is going to be the central point in the argument about this one. >> doug, you're saying no. right now if you talk to employers, they're raising wages on their own to get workers to come in. is it happening naturally? >>s that's the right way to raise wages to get a vibrant labor market. that's what we saw during the pandemic. especially at the skills section. we have to go back to that.

you don't fix a policy error by committing a second one. we need to stop getting in the way of the labor market. this is a mixed bag for the white house. there are things they believe will help, paid leaves, childcare, things like that. but there are some thing that's have nothing to do with labor like elder care and things like premium health tax credits, which are not contingent on work. this isn't a slam dunk things they're proposing will solve the problem. >> even though it's just short term and come september that expanded unemployment benefit runs out, in the immediate, what do you do? there are businesses all over this country that can't hire. >> well, i think, look, in the immediate, immediate you wait to see what happens next month because you never want to conclude anything from one month's numbers. the previous month was a

blockbuster big number. this one is the disappointing but positive number. if next month were back to a blockbuster number, then all of this is going to be forgotten. let's say this continues. i think in the short run, you've got -- in the states where they're not requiring people that are on unemployment insurance to look for new jobs, i think they will probably see widespread putting that requirement back in. on childcare you will see a huge effort to try to get the money we already passed out the door to get that restood up, and i think you will see a heavy focus from the white house trying to get more people vaccinated because you also have this component people who are afraid to take jobs where they will be back face to face until we got the spread of the virus down to close enough to zero. >> also gives us a good

reminder, the almost $2 trillion in the american rescue plan hasn't been implemented. we will see that happening in the coming months, $39 billion in the childcare industry. we will be watching. thank you all very much. we will continue this conversation later this hour when i will be speaking to a member of the white house council of economic advisers, heather boushey. i can tell you, i've got questions. and breaking news also earlier this morning, pfizer officially requested full authorization of its vaccine. if accepted, it could expand accessibility and it could allow some organizations and schools to mandate vaccinations. but vaccine hesitancy is still a major issue in some parts of this country. nowhere is that clearer than in the state of wyoming, where despite having one of the smallest populations in the country, they also have one of the lowest rates of vaccinations. nbc's cal perry is there with more, and i'm also joined by former cdc director dr. tom frieden. cal, what is going on? >> you know, stephanie, there

are plenty of vaccines. when we spoke to the county health administrator, he basically said in his mind it's helpful to divide people in three categories. people who desperately wanted the vaccine and came out and got it. in the middle category, people willing to think about it, look at the evidence. and finally the people who will not get it. that middle group is key, people on the fence. we met john yesterday, who basically said he was on the fence but basically felt pressured to get the vaccine. >> how did you come to the decision to get vaccinated? >> it's going to happen, more force than anything. work, at the data center, it's kind of -- i'm sure it's going -- sooner or later e. it's going to be the way they want to go. either you're vaccinated or you don't work and you don't travel. >> you felt like it was inevitable, you had to do it. >> yes. >> if you didn't feel like that, would you have gotten it? >> no. >> vaccine mandates not in

effect yet certainly on people's minds. the other thing out here people looking for an excuse not to get the vaccine are finding one and finding one inside the media. the media is very divided in the united states and that is obvious. people are tuning in to find out what they want to hear when it comes to the vaccine, stephanie. >> cal, thank you. dr. frieden, help me, i'm a mere mortal, i don't know what this means, full authorization. in terms of our recovery and reopening, why does it matter? >> it's going to take many months or it's not going to make a difference soon. but it is an indicator that these vaccines are astonishingly effective and very safe, getting full authorization requires many months of data. pfizer will be submitting this to the food and drug administration on a rolling basis. they will be reviewing it. it does make it a little easier for some people to accept vaccination. it will simplify things with things like reimbursement for the insurance companies, vaccination remains completely free to anyone who wants it in the u.s.

and i think the mandate issue is a little bit of a distraction, because for all of the discussion of resistance or reluctance or hesitancy, if you look at the basic numbers, stephanie, more than 40% of americans haven't yet -- american adults, haven't yet gotten a single dose of vaccine and 10%, maybe 15% are really saying they're not going to. what that says to me is there are two, three times more people who are open to getting a vaccine than have actually gotten it. in order to get those people vaccinated, we need to move to a more proactive approach, as many other countries have done. you should be getting calls and text messages from your doctor, from your provider. you should be able to get it as you walk into the supermarket. we should have pop-up vaccinations outside of bars. it should be easy for people to get vaccinated because convenience will generally outweigh reluctance. >> all right, convenience over reluctance. dr. tom frieden, cal perry, thank you. coming up next -- congresswoman liz cheney could be out of leadership in a matter

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the escalating battle between republican liz cheney and her own party is reaching a whole new level this morning. party leaders are doubling down on their support for former president trump as the wyoming congresswoman faces removal from gop leadership as early as next week for not backing the former president's lies about election fraud. >> can we move forward without president trump? the answer is no. i've always liked liz cheney but she's made the determination that the republican party can't grow with president trump. i've determined we can't grow without him. >> i'm sorry, didn't lindsey graham months ago say he was done with former president trump? republican congresswoman elise stefanik could be on the verge of replacing cheney as house gop conference chair. but as some republicans criticize her for her policies

not being conservative enough. she's voicing her unwavering support for former president trump in all of her favorite media spots. >> the voters are speaking loudly and clearly, president trump is the leader and voice of the republican party. the job of the conference chair is to represent the majority of the house republicans. the vast majority of the house republicans support president trump. and they also support his focus on election integrity and election security. >> joining us now, the brand-new moderator of "washington week" airing tonight on pbs, yamiche alcindor, but i have to start with ali vitali on capitol hill. there's an all-out firestorm on capitol hill right now over liz cheney. tell us where it stands now. >> it stands that liz cheney is likely to lose her place in leadership and congresswoman elise stefanik is likely to

succeed her in the number three role. but that doesn't mean it's smooth sailing for elise stefanik. she's spent, as you mentioned yesterday, on all of the favorite maga talk shows from steve goehrkia's radio show to steve bannon's podcast, where she's talking about the red meat the trump base loves to hear about. making sure she supports that controversial audit in arizona of the election results and railing against cancel culture, even as the party moves to cancel one of its own, liz cheney, for marching out of lockstep with the former president and his allies here on capitol hill. cheney doesn't have a lot of lawmakers allies at least in the house who are speaking in her favor but she does have conservative groups who are pointing out stefanik is not the kind of conservative that cheney is. you'll see it on your screen. cheney's far and away more conservative on issues and policies, but, steph, this isn't about conservatism in the traditional sense and the way these groups think about being a republican and being a

conservative. this is about kardashiantivism in the trump sense, which is to say it's not necessarily about policy, it's about solidifying the cultive personality around the former president, whatever his next spot may be. >> we keep talking about infighting and culture wars but at the end of the day aren't people going to vote based on whether or not president biden's policies helped or hurt them? >> first i just want to say thank you very much for that introduction. i'm so excited about tonight's "washington week"! >> me too. i can't wait to watch. >> thank you. and it comes to whether or not how president biden's policies affect their lives, that is what the white house is really leading into and betting on. that's why you saw the president crisscrossing the united states not just red states but ruby red states, he i want to invest in

your life in workers, education. he's trying to focus on the work. and the gop is having a loyalty test connected to the personality of president trump. we see here a sort of rehabbing of 2016. when president trump wasn't the most conservative candidate, you look at his policies, but his rhetoric was one of fear, one of conspiracy theories, one that got voters riled up and that's what you see representative stefanik doing. she's mimicking she's the one that can carry forward the election was rigged and people were wronged. that is why i think you're going to see her really lean into this and perhaps out liz cheney, who was based on her voting record more conservative. lou dobbs calling her a rhino, republican in name only. >> can i ask this question, do people even care? what did it matter to be the third most important republican in congress? what does that get you to stand behind someone in a podium?

>> what it gets you is really being on the stage and being representative of the party. i think one of the reasons why you see kevin mccarthy really going after liz cheney just this week is because she is a contrast to him. she's standing there saying i'm going to tell the truth, i'm not going to lie about the election. every time the republicans had a press conference, any sort of public safety event, kevin mccarthy has to be reminded there's a woman standing next to him saying the republican party can't be connected to a lie. i think that's why the role as the number three in the house is important and why republicans want to see liz cheney out of that position. >> i want to go back to lindsey graham for a second and this point. republicans seem to think they cannot grow the party without former president trump. i also can remember it's lindsey graham not that long ago who was i'm done, i'm finished. he then got heckled at an airport and soon after came running back to the former

president. does all of this make that point, that you can't go out without him? they don't even seem to be trying. yamiche? >> well, in my mind, what you see in lindsey graham is somebody who is in some ways really following the direction of the party, whatever that may be. after january 6th, directly after it, you saw a number of republicans come out and really be forceful against president trump. you had nikki haley and even kevin mccarthy and so many others. then lindsey graham put his finger in the air andry liesed the party was still blowing in the direction of donald trump and that's why you see him saying our party cannot go forward without president trump. i have been talking to local republicans, not just the ones in washington, d.c. but in states, and they still see the republican party as very connected to president trump. most of those leaders were elected in the last two, three years. they see republicanism as trumpism and that's what you see lindsey graham doing. that's why you see him really having this stance and going against liz cheney in this unique way.

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markets are opening right now after this morning's surprising and disappointing jobs report. the dow now down just 67. that's what unchanged, some would say. let's go straight to dom chu. dom, this report was not anyone was expecting. what do you think? >> it's crazy, because, yes, the economists that were polled by many news authorizations had the job growth figured at about a million jobs created or more. they also had the unemployment rate actually going down to about 5.8% from where it was at 6%. so this was a surprise for many folks out there. the reasons behind it are going to be what are going to get a lot more attention i think than anything else. that will be something i'm sure the white house will need to respond to. the fact there were only 266,000 jobs created may suggest there's just not a lot of availability of workers out there who actually want to go back and fill open positions. that's going to be one thing to watch as well. many of the folks out there are also talking about the idea

enhanced unemployment benefits play a part of that story. that's going to be big. one thing i would key on, stephanie, here is we are seeing good signs in the leisure and hospitality sector. we have spoken about it for months. it was the hardest hit and the one driving most of the job gains. in fact, all of it, job takens are driven by hospitality and leisure. restaurants and bars, casinos, hotels, those establishments are opening up again and that will be big. but i will point out this is a backward looking indicator. this is for the month of april when many parts of the country still had lockdown restrictions in place. going forward starting in may, june and july, you're going to see many of those restrictions ease if the covid vaccination trajectory stays the way it is. if that does happen and bars and restaurants and other small businesses can open at full capacity, will they be able to do so if they cannot find the workers to staff the extra hours and extra basically everything

that's needed to get everything back to normal. stephanie, that's going to be a real key, whether or not in the next two to three months you're going to see more people try to return back to work. >> dom chu, thank you. we're going to leave it there. i want to bring in heather boucher, a member of the president biden's council of economic advisers. this is the first reaction we're getting from the white house to the jobs report. heather, can you explain what happened? there are a lot of open jobs out there and they're not getting filled. why not? >> well, you know, here's what we saw from april's jobs report, stephanie. we added about a little over 500,000 jobs per month for the past three months. the pace is higher than the three months prior to this, where we only added about 60,000 of jobs per month. we saw a lot of indications deep in the data from april that people are increasingly searching for work. we saw an uptick in the labor force participation rate. we saw a decrease in the share

of works working voluntarily part time. we saw an increase in hours. we did not see an increase in people working multiple jobs, however. in fact, we saw the largest one-month increase in the share of people who say that they are -- that covid is not preventing them from searching for work. we saw the largest one-month increase since october. but there's a lot of indication that deep in the data that folks are out there searching for jobs, and we continue to have over 8.2 million folks down 8.2 million jobs relative to where we were pre-pandemic. but i want to emphasize, we did 5d jobs this mon we're certainly on track so we can see a lot of evidence that the american rescue plan is indeed doing its job. making it safe for americans to get back to work. >> heather, the last time you were here i asked you about people choosing not to go back to work. employers across the country, especially in the hospitality

industry, telling us day in and day out they cannot get workers back. with workers getting paid and i'm not saying they don't need it or it's not too much, with people getting paid about $15, $16 an hour on unemployment benefits, it pays them more to stay home than it does to fill those jobs. last time you were here, you said you didn't see evidence of that. how about now? >> still don't see strong evidence of that, stephanie. in fact, here's the thing, in april the largest gains in job creation were in leisure and hospitality, which includes restaurants and bars. >> of course we would. that's the one industry that has restrictions on them, opened the most and as we get vaccinated, the first thing we do is go out and socialize. that's kind of an of course, right? >> right. but we are seeing that. so i think that does indicate that folks out there are getting

jobs in that sector. the pace of jobs in that sector are increasing. so i think that's an important data point. we are not seeing, however, there's a lot of folks who are not searching because of unemployment benefits, indeed as this report shows, there was an uptick in labor supply last month and it still remains a difficult labor market for millions of workers. pandemic, coming out of this pandemic is challenging. we have different conditions across the country. we can see the american rescue plan really doing its job, supporting families, making sure they have the childcare centers open, schools are getting open so people can get back to work and they increasingly got those shots in arms which makes it safe to be out there. >> is that $39 billion from the american rescue plan making its way to childcare centers? exactly where? because one number that sticks out to me is we're not seeing women go back to work. they're still dealing with childcare issues. has that money been implemented?

>> it's starting to get out there and we've seen a lot of progress in terms of schools reopening. here's the thing, in this month's report, you didn't see really large jumps in labor supply for either men nor women. but you're seeing this steady increase and certainly not the decrease. so i think what we saw this month is, again, the pace of job gains is, you know, good over the past few months and we're seeing the effects of the plan out there, helping folks be able to get back to work. >> come next week, when we see the jobs openings report, assuming that's enormous and i would say that based on all of the businesses that we poll every day, what are you going to make of that? >> well, you know, all of these data points are data points. many. >> i don't know what that means. >> all of them, we take them all together. so this week, for example, we saw that sharp decrease in the one month -- and again, we don't make it too much about any

one-week change but that sharp decrease in the number of folks applying for unemployment benefits. so we are seeing this strong, steady, stable progress to get back to a -- back to normal. i expect we will continue to see businesses opening up, continuing to hire people and people continuing to get back to work. again, there are indications throughout this report people are increasingly searching, they're increasingly ready to get back to work. not saying covid is preventing them from getting a job and i think that is movement in the right direction. >> do you think adjustments need to be made to the way unemployment works? for example, right now, we don't offer any savings for people trying to get back to work or part-time unemployment. it's all or nothing. for most states, they still have the pandemic unemployment rules where you don't actually have to go out and seek a job while you're getting the benefit. should we change that? some states are pulling that

back. >> unemployment benefits are there for folks when they can't find a job and they lost their job. people have to certify that. so folks that are receiving those benefits have to say that they are searching for work and they haven't been offered a job that they're not taking. so that system is working for people. it is incredibly important in an economy where we have 8 million -- over 8 million fewer jobs than we did pre-pandemic but you have that benefit available as people continue to search for work. and we'll note we do have a program available if over half the states that allows part-time unemployment benefits. it's called short-time compensation program. employers can implement it. if they want to bring back workers and have them have reduced hours, they can allow folks to receive partial unemployment benefits. that is available in most states and employers have the option of taking that up. >> what is your take on the shortages we are seeing now, you're talking chicken to

furniture, and this is really pushing prices higher. what are your inflationary concerns? >> listen, this pandemic has been a real bear. we all know it. we know it caused an enormous supply shock to our economy over 2020 and we are trying to work our way out of it. and we've known there would be a supply chain bottleneck as things got back up and running and as businesses try to get back to the work of doing their businesses. and that is why the american rescue plan provided aid and support to businesses and to families and to communities in order to make that possible. things like, you know, helping businesses with their payroll or their other expenses. this week we talked a lot about the aid and support to restaurants to help them get back up and running and help cover their costs. these are all policies that can help unlock some of those bottlenecks. but this is a big, enormous challenge in our economy. we have to be patient as we get through it.

but we're working our way through with these policies, and i think we see a lot of evidence in today's report that we are moving in the right direction. >> it's potentially hopefully a good moment for workers. there's a lot of jobs out there and it's putting pressure on wages. that $28 billion in the american rescue plan that is going specifically to restaurants, when do you see that money going out? potentially, it could be used to pay people more. that's one of the reasons all of these restaurants say they're not getting workers, if you pay them more, they'll show up. >> certainly. the application portal opened on monday, and then we had a record -- strong number of folks apply for those benefits. and the program is now going to get up and running and they'll start getting out benefits in the weeks to come. it's really important that restaurant owners know that that benefit is available to them, that they can get on to the portal through the small business association and apply for that aid to help cover expenses for payroll, utilities,

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capito in a tough position. she's leading the republican negotiations with the white house on infrastructure, so i've got to bring in garrett haake. he spoke exclusively with the west virginia senator. garrett, i start with this, did you plan this trip, this interview just to get me to blow the bipartisan horn for you? >> stephanie, set the bipartisanship horn aside for a minute here. while i think there are optimistic signs of a potential deal here, there are great challenges ahead. senator capito knows west virginia badly needs an infusion of infrastructure money. they need it for the roads and bridges. they need it especially for broadband access. that was a big part of our conversation and discuss yesterday. west virginia regularly ranked at or near the bottom of these infrastructure categories and that's part of the reason she's been so involved in these discussions. her challenges are two-fold, she has to convince republicans this is a worthwhile thing to spend money on, they need to be united and have a counteroffer they can bring to the white house, and she has to convince democrats

she's a serious negotiating partner and that republicans also want a bipartisan deal. that was made more difficult by the comments you mentioned from minority leader mitch mcconnell saying he's opposing the biden agenda with 100% of his focus. that is where i started my conversation with her yesterday. take a listen to her answer here. on bipartisan solutions, the other day mitch mcconnell said he's 100% focused on opposing this president. the how do i square that with what you're trying to do? >> i talked with the leader on the phone, and i talk to him every week when i'm in washington. i just talked to him recently on friday. he green-lighted everything that i'm doing in terms of trying to get a coalition of leaders together within our republican caucus to go to the white house, which we're going to be doing. i have actually thought about this and he probably reflects back to me, well, the leader is going to do everything 100%. why are we here? i am going to have to beat that

one down. maybe he went a little further than i would have liked to see in terms of while you're actually at the negotiating table. >> so, stephanie, senator capito thinks she does have some room to operate here as long as a discussion is focused around those core infrastructure she h little bit of negotiables that she can do here. the question of how to pay for this is probably still an enormous gulf between the two parties here. i pressed about the corporate tax rate. why is keeping it at 21% such a magic number. she sees that the republicans don't want to get started on a process of raising those tax rates in that direction at all and that will be a huge problem when it comes to paying for a package that is, at a minimum, in the hundreds of billions of dollars. >> in the trillions. miles apart? you think?

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of texas where at 3:00 this morning republican lawmakers finally advanced their bill to tighten voting rules. but they did add some amendments to water it down. priscilla thompson was hopefully not up until 3:00 a.m., but what's the latest? >> the house voted 81-62 to advance that bill. this came after hours of debate and a channel on technical grounds that could have delayed this all together. after negotiations they were able to m coto some agreements and democrats were able to push through 18 proposed amendments to tap down on some of these measures. some of them include as it relates to lowering the enhanced criminal penalties in the original bill. they also clarified that judges and volunteers would not and

partisan pole watchers can be pulled for disturbing the piece. this was big. they are protecting partisan poll watchers and they were concerned this could lead to more voter intimidation. this bill does still have to go through another vote today. lawmakers will reconcile the house version of this bill and the senate version and the final version? >> thank you, we will be watching this through texas and the rest of the country. hallie jackson picks up breaking news coverage next, but i have a feeling i'll see you throughout the day as we cover the jobs number. day as we cover the jobs number

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