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rescue plan, want to remind everybody, it was designed to help us over the course of a year, not 60 days. a year. >> mr. president, do you believe enhanced unemployment benefits had any effect on diminishing a return to work in some categories? >> no, nothing measurable. >> meantime, there are new developments on capitol hill where republicans continue to fight over loyalty to president trump, another republican member of congress was just censured by his state party today. and legal concerns are going over a republican-led audit of 2020 votes in arizona's largest county. in a few minutes, we're going to speak with an expert observer who was inside the arena and the state's former republican attorney general who are raising alarms about it. joining us to start off our coverage this hour, jonathan lamir for the associated press and msnbc political analyst and msnbc news political correspondent ali vitaly on capitol hill.

jonathan, the white house didn't see today's disappointing jobs report coming. you've been writing about the uncertain terrain that joe biden faces now that he's passed this first 100 days in office. what comes next for this administration on that front? >> you're right. this jobs report was much lower than not just the white house, but most economists predicted. we thought there could be a million jobs and it didn't come anywhere near that. this was certainly no question disappointing and the white house is quick to point out it is proof that we have a long road ahead. that they say they look at the jobs numbers in three month chunks rather than just one month. and little less volatility that way and they also think it gives a better picture as to where things stand. but there is no question, the first item on the president's agenda was that covid relief bill, which got done, no republican lawmaker supported it, but it was pretty smooth sailing among democrats. but gets harder from here. and we're seeing now this jobs report add -- critics of his infrastructure and jobs plan is

that it is fuel to attack it saying that, look, perhaps it is showing that unemployment benefits are already too high and therefore people aren't inclined to go look for work. that might have something to do with the jobs report. the white house is dismissing that, taking the opposite approach, the economy is still hurting here, look at the numbers. we need this injection of not just the federal money, but the -- where the programs are going. it is infrastructure to be sure, but jobs and healthcare and child care and things that could help as the job -- as many people believe that if there is increased child care benefits, more americans will be able to put their children there and return to work themselves. but they have a tricky terrain ahead. and all eyes are starting to look to next week when the president has meetings with present lawmakers including his first face to face with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. >> ali, speaking of republican lawmakers for a moment and switching gears, wyoming congressman liz cheney could lose her leadership post next week. her allies are facing some tough

times, the ones that are at thing up on her behalf. what is going on with some of them. >> reporter: liz cheney at the center of a firestorm here on capitol hill, but other republicans who have not marched in lockstep with former president donald trump also seeing repercussions for that in their home states. you mentioned this, just today, a little while ago, i got confirmation that the ohio republican party voted to censure and call for the resignation of republican congressman anthony gonzalez. he was one of those ten republicans who voted to impeach president donald trump. this is really just a reminder that not being a pro trump ally has long ripple effects, especially back home in these lawmakers' states. he's not the only one to face repercussions like this. cheney also faced censures like this, as well as several other republicans who voted similarly. but this really is the crux of the problem here on capitol hill for congresswoman cheney, this is a question of fealty to donald trump. it is what gonzalez said in a statement on friday to the hill,

talking about cheney, he said, if a prerequisite for leading our conference is continuing to lie to our voters, he's talking about the big lie that donald trump perpetuated about the 2020 election, then liz is not the best fit. he goes on to say, she's going to say what she believes, she's going to stand on principle, and if that's going to be distracting for folks, she's not the best fit, i wish that weren't the case. then on the other side of the coin, you have the woman who is likely to replace cheney in leadership, congresswoman elise stephanic, her political rise and evolution over the course of her time in the halls of congress is fascinating. and it mimics on a small scale the kind of evolution the republican party has undergone writ large, even just consider the fact that in 2012 she was an adviser to then vice presidential candidate paul ryan, her district, that same election cycle, went for obama, then she starts to run for office, gets into congress, the makeup of her district, you see it right there, it changes, that

area of upstate new york, john lemire and i when we became friends covering the trump campaign, we spent a lot of time there in 2016. it is a ruby red part of the state now. that mimicked her transition as a republican lawmaker who was more establishment to now her time being a pro trump ally. even just consider this old sound bite from an interview she did during the 2016 primary, sounds different than the way she talks now. listen. >> i think it is really important for republicans. if you look at the 2012 elections, we need to ensure we're increasing our party's ability to reach out to women, and i work on that in congress, i care passionately about that, and donald trump's comments have not helped that effort. they've hurt that effort. >> reporter: and, ayman, i got to say, i just finished listening to her when she was on the rush limbaugh show just now, she's been doing a lot of interviews like this with more conservative parts of the podcasting space, all trying to

shore up her congressional -- her conservative credentials with that maga pro trump part of the base, sounding different now than she did in 2016. >> jonathan, to ali's point, elise isn't the only person who has gone through this evolution she laid out. you have more notable people like senator lindsey graham, senator ted cruz, some of the prime examples, they were insulted by trump before they turned around and gone full blown trump. how much does a person's past comments about donald trump matter to the former president? >> first of all, now reminiscing about those heady days of april 2016 in upstate new york with ali vitaly. i think that we know, look, the president is, you know, he's one to shall we say -- he doesn't let insults usually just slide off his back. but he has shown a willingness to forgive at times. senator graham, of course, was a notable trump critic in 2016, as you said, and became perhaps his

staunchest ally in the senate or right up there. ted cruz has shown a remarkable capacity to forgive, i suppose. since donald trump both insulted his wife's appearance and suggested his father had something to do with the assassination of president kennedy. i think these are republicans who have made political compromises and recognized they want to stay in trump's good graces. but when he was president, but even now. there is uncertainty he'll run again, but it is clear how popular he is among rank and file republicans, he going to carry a lot of influence into the 2024 race even if his name is not on the ballot. i think elise is the latest example of this, she's making a political calculation, just the same that so many did after january 6th. even kevin mccarthy, the republican house leader, denounced what president trump said at the time at the insurrection of the capitol and he came back. most of them do. there are only a few exceptions like romney and cheney who don't, who are willing to rebel from former president trump. >> jonathan and ali, looking

forward to that upstate new york reunion tour in a couple of years from now. thanks, guys. now to the fallout of former president trump's lies about the election. secretary of state katie hobbs says she spoke with the justice department yesterday about how the ongoing republican-controlled election audit in maricopa county could be breaking federal law due to the handling of ballots. meanwhile, hobbs also says she is receiving multiple death threats. she tweeted out yesterday, quote, earlier today a man called my office saying i deserve to die, and wanting to know what she is wearing so she'll be easy to get. it was one of at least three such threats today. hobbs received a similar threat after the november election and received police protection. earlier on this network, hobbs reminded us that arizona completed a hand recount of randomly selected precincts and that the county completed successful equipment tests in two independent audits. joining us is grant woods elected to two terms as arizona

attorney general, as a republican. he is now a democrat. and jennifer morell, founder of the elections group and expert in election audits who recently visited the arizona audit as part of a court agreement to allow outside observers. great to have both of you with us on this very important subject. grant, let's talk about the people conducting the audit. who exactly are they? there are reports one of the people tallying votes is a former state lawmaker who was at the u.s. capitol on the january 6th insurrection that day. >> yeah, it is quite a collection. it is a lot of people who have dealt in conspiracy theories for a long time and certainly since the election. it is certainly not an unbiased group. you got to realize i think everybody knows that whether you're the attorney general like i was or secretary of state and you have something to do with the elections, you make sure that everybody who is involved follows proper procedure, they

follow the law, that they're completely unbias and the chops fall where they may. these people, there is some real nut cases down there, that's all i can tell you. the guy you mentioned, yeah, he's counting his own ballot, in a sense. he was an elector for trump. so he lost. and they can't get over it and apparently they don't want to get over it. they want to try to gin something up so they can point to this so-called audit, which is kind of a kangaroo audit, coming out of kangaroo court, and then they'll go to other states and say, see, it was probably inaccurate there as well. it is a very -- it is easy to make fun of him when they're looking for bamboo in the paper because some ballots were dropped in from china, and i'm all for that. but it is actually pretty serious because it is a real assault on our democracy. >> so, jennifer, to grant's

point about the people involved in this, they actually have the real ballots in their possession. and that's got to be concerning. tell us what you observed and what concerns you about the fact that, you know, as grant was saying about these individuals, people who voted are actually now in charge and holding their own ballots. >> well, it is incredibly concerning for a number of reasons. but, you know, i think the most important thing to point out as grant said was this election was already conducted and audited by people with years of knowledge and expertise, following the laws of arizona, following best practices, that is certainly not happening here. we have seen missteps from day one. lack of accountability. just inconsistency with process and procedures. and certainly the forensic paper audit as was mentioned is chasing down this idea that security is in the paper is absolutely ridiculous.

completely disregards all the guardrails, all the security mechanisms that are already in place. we have military and overseas voters who print out their own ballot on their own paper, on their own printer, fold it however they want, that doesn't make it a suspicious ballot or invalid ballot. the security and safety mechanisms are there. these folks clearly don't understand how that process works. >> that's a good point about individuals printing out their own ballots. the doj sent a letter to the president of the arizona state senate this week that says, quote, we have a concern that maricopa county election records which are required by federal law to be retained and preserved are no longer under the ultimate control of elections officials, are not being adequately safe guarded by contractors and are at risk of damage or loss. what do you think the justice department should do at this point? >> i think all of their concerns

are in fact true. and so i think they need to get involved. i think they need to come to arizona and they need to monitor what is going on here and they need to take whatever actions they need to take to either put a stop to this, or to make them reform their ways if that's even possible at this point in time. i think it is time for the justice department to step in because, again, this -- we already had audits, we already checked the ballots, we already checked the machines, we have done everything over and over. >> four challenges as well. >> over 60 in court. this is the problem, i think it is time for -- i think it is time for the justice department to do what they do in terrible situations like this, and that's come in and enforce the law and enforce the constitution. >> so, jennifer, ultimately these ballots, they're at risk of getting damaged and destroyed. but there is also a greater risk of damage being done to the integrity of the elections in the state of arizona, maricopa county in particular.

>> that's right. there is a reason actually we use technology to scan and count large quantities of ballots. hand counting ballots is fraught to begin with. humans are terrible at tedious repetitive tasks, especially counting. we use technology to do that. and then we toss in the audit of the technology to ensure it operates correctly. these 2.1 million ballots being counted without the best practices, clearly deviating from that, they're going to end up with three separate results, it is going to cause a lot of confusion for voters, it certainly is going to erode that trustworthiness that election officials are trying so hard to build in their procedures. >> all right, jennifer morell, grant woods, thanks for joining us on this important story. thank you. still ahead, from capitol hill to the courtroom. insurrection suspects face consequences in connection with the january 6th attack. we're going to tell you the bizarre claims about fox news in the latest proceedings. but first, how doctors in the

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hour. this morning, pfizer biontech officially applied for full authorization of their covid-19 vaccine, with the fda. it would allow for commercialization of pfizer's doses as opposed to the strictly emergency use permission they currently have. and at today's white house covid briefing, jeff zions talked more about president biden's goal of having 70% of adults get at least one vaccine shot by july 4th. >> we need to vaccinate at least another 13% of adult americans by july 4th. that's roughly 100 million shots in 60 days between may 4th and july 4th.

>> joining me now, dr. uche blackstock. dr. blackstock, great to have you back on the show. if the fda gives pfizer full authorization, can you give our viewers just some context what that means, what would that change mean for vaccinations? >> right, thank you for having me. first of all, pfizer has been under emergency use authorization. now with full authorization means is that there is six months of safety and efficacy data collected and now essentially employers can mandate that the vaccinations be given to their employees, institutions can also require that students receive the vaccine, and i think also in terms of vaccine confidence,

this authorization may even help uptake. there have been a lot of americans concerned about safety and efficacy. but this is essentially the process that most medications, therapeutics, vaccines go through before they get approved. >> so how much of that do you still think is a factor in the hesitancy that people have, that it is not fully authorized by the fda and only emergency use authorized. as vaccination rates slow down, people are wondering, well, what are the biggest barriers that are still getting in the way of this massive rollout as we heard there from jeff zions saying they want another 100 million shots or so in the next 60 days. >> that's a great question. the kaiser vaccine monitor came out with a survey this week that showed for some people safety is still a concern. and that's the wait and see group. and that's still a substantial percentage of people. and so for those wait and see people who are concerned about the safety of these vaccines, they feel like they haven't been studied enough to be able to say, look, these vaccines have

gone through the same rigorous study as any other vaccine that is being used or medication that is used, may be encouraging for them. also there are other issues that have been barriers that came out of that survey, logistics is still an issue. there is a significant percentage of the population that doesn't know where to go to get a vaccine, that doesn't even know they're eligible for a vaccine or vaccines are free. so i think public health messaging around a vaccine is still going to be incredibly important. language barriers are still an issue. and we just have to make sure that we keep vaccines accessible. >> let me ask you about the former fda head, scott gottlieb, had to say on cnbc about the cdc lifting indoor mask mandates. watch this. >> when do you think the cdc can have a meaningful conversation about lifting the mask mandates indoors? >> i think we can do it right around now. i think -- >> now? >> we should start lifting the

restrictions -- i think we should start lifting the restrictions as aggressively as we put them in. we need to preserve the credibility of public health officials as we get into next winter if we do start seeing outbreaks again. >> dr. blackstock, where do you come down on that? are we ready to lift indoor mask mandates? >> i would say i was a little bit surprised. the cdc has been incredibly cautious and i think a lot of it has to do with the politization of its work last year by the previous administration. but i do think it is still too early. we still have tens of thousands of cases throughout the country, almost 5,000 deaths a week. and i think we need to look at, you know, locations, regions, can't just call a blanket let's pull back indoor mask mandates. it should be a combination of certain metrics. number of cases in the areas, hospitalizations, and vaccination status. i think that it makes sense to consider pulling back the outdoor mask mandate because we have enough data that tells us that being outdoors is the safest for vaccinated or

unvaccinated people. >> in these warmer weather months as well. always a pleasure. thank you for your time. india shattered more global records today, reporting a staggering 414,000 new coronavirus cases in the past 24 hours alone. the country is fighting this growing crisis with severely limited resources as crematoriums, oxygen lines and hospitals are completely overrun. so here in the united states some indian american doctors are actually taking action and helping virtually. dasha burns has more on this story. good to have you with us. what have you learned about how doctors here are helping in india? >> reporter: we met doctors that live and practice medicine here in the u.s., but as they watched the crisis grow in their mother land, they felt like they had to do something. what can you do from half a world away? well, it turns out you can save lives. watch.

they just finished a ten-hour hospital shift at monmouth medical center in new jersey. now at home, they gear up for a different kind of shift. triaging and treating covid patients over 8,000 miles away. >> twice daily. >> reporter: india is in the throes of an apocalyptic second wave of covid-19, more than 300,000 new daily cases for two weeks straight. the healthcare system at a breaking point. >> there is no hospital -- no oxygen, no -- even basic things. and they are really very scared. >> reporter: so the guptas sprang into action. launching a growing coalition of indian-american doctors from across the u.s. turning to telemedicine to help keep patients in india out of overwhelmed hospitals. >> this way we cannot clog the hospitals and -- >> reporter: they answer

questions from patients and frightened family members. >> i can keep both mother and son in the same room? >> yes, you can. >> reporter: they look over test results and recommend treatments. >> let me know if you get worse or if there is any change or anything, okay? >> reporter: how significant could this kind of help -- could this intervention be even though you're doing it from afar through a screen? >> it can save lives because now we know a lot about this disease. if we intervene at the right time, we can prevent the storm from coming where the patients crash and we cannot do much. >> reporter: it is a critical mission that has become personal for the guptas. >> this hits home on many levels for you both. >> my worst nightmare came true. >> reporter: this week, her 87-year-old mother testing positive for the virus. and avenash is living through loss himself. >> i loss my brother-in-law and one sister also to this covid.

>> reporter: you are processing your own grief, at the same time you're actually taking action to help. >> the best way to be happy is to go out and help other people. being away from our mother land, we thought we have to do something when we are getting calls on a daily basis about people getting sick and no hospital beds, no oxygen, no medication. >> reporter: these doctors on the new front line from a world away. >> global pandemic, of course. so we have to take care of each other, yes. >> reporter: ayman, the guptas do this seven nights a week. they already have dozens of other doctors who volunteered and joined the effort. and he tells me there is a saying in india that means the whole world is a family and he says we can't isolate ourselves, especially in a crisis like this. >> absolutely true and powerful words there. thank you very much for that eye opening report. switching gears from the

coronavirus to politics, coming up, the future of the gop, while senator mitch mcconnell is saying that the focus is on stopping the biden administration's agenda, lindsey graham is telling lawmakers this. >> i would just say to my republican colleagues, can we move forward without president trump, the answer is no. >> but one of graham's republican colleagues disagrees. we'll show you that next. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports ." ing "ayman mohyeldin reports ." rolina greenhouses so abe and art can grow more plants. so they can hire vilma... and wendy... and me. so, more people can go to work. so, more days can start with kisses. when you buy this plant at walmart. ♪♪ this is how you become the best!

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lindsey graham says the republican party can't move forward without former president donald trump. his comments come as house republicans prepare to oust conference chair liz cheney who continues to be critical of trump. in an exclusive interview with nbc news west virginia's republican senator shelly moore capito talked about how her party can be successful moving forward. joining me now from harpers ferry, west virginia, nbc news capitol hill correspondent garrett haake. good to have you, my friend. what did senator capito tell you about the future of her party as she sees it? >> reporter: senator capito's very much in the governing wing of the senate republican conversation.

this is somebody who would be a committee chair if senate republicans had one more seat and as such she looks at this i think through how do we get back to majority, how do we get back to a functional governing party. i asked her about this as a how to you see this playing into the future and i think her answer here is instructive for people who have to run state wide in places. take a listen. is there still room in your party for people who think former president trump is the past of the republican party and maybe not the future of the republican party? >> if we're going to be successful in the future, as republicans, we have to have everybody. i think a lot of liz cheney, i think she's been bold and truthful to her truth. i applaud her for that. i think that we need to make sure as we're moving into 2022 that we don't start narrowing the tent, which is what i think this will do. and that concerns me greatly. but, you know what, liz cheney can stick up for herself pretty

well. >> reporter: i think those comments are representative of a certain percentage of elected republicans who understand that the politics of a pro trump purity test will be useful in safe house seats, but it is not going to help you if you have to win state wide in ohio or pennsylvania or north carolina where the senate majority will be decided next year. >> garrett, she is the point person for the republicans in negotiating with the white house on infrastructure. what did she say about the gop's willingness to negotiate. are the negotiations in good faith when you have senator mitch mcconnell saying he's 100% focused on stopping the biden administration? >> reporter: yeah, she told me she didn't think the comments were particularly helpful and thought she were more related to the social program of the biden administration and less like infrastructure on which she said the minority leader has given her green light to negotiate in good faith. that's what she'll be doing when she goes to the white house to

meet with president biden next week. she told me the offer she and her republican fellow senators put forward is not the final offer, they intend to negotiate, but they are worlds apart on how to pay for even the things they agree upon on infrastructure. that will be tough sledding, i suspect. >> interesting conversation. garrett haake in what is not a green screen behind him, but the best live shot location of the day. hope you get to enjoy the outdoors. thanks. overseas tensions are rising in the occupied west bank over evictions in east jerusalem. the breaking developments in a major international story. plus, what president biden makes of russian president vladimir putin's moves on the ukrainian border. you're watching msnbc. n the ukrainian border you're watching msnbc.

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they have been trying to get palestinianies evicted from their homes in this area for years. one person i spoke to, 59 years old, he said his family has been fighting to hold on to his home since he was 10. israeli settlers arguing in front of the courts that the land in sheikh sharia was owned by jewish groups before 1948, before the founding of the state of israel. and so it should be reclaimed by jewish groups. now, the palestinian families strongly reject that, they say what's going on here is a systematic effort by settler groups encouraged by right wing israeli politicians to move israelis in to change the demographics of east jerusalem and strengthen the grip over the area. this court case might be coming to a head as early as next week. we may get a final verdict from israel's supreme court.

but many palestinian families say they don't have much faith in the israeli judicial system. they see it as a system emimposed on them by an occupying military power and they're appealing to the biden administration and to the broader international community to step in and stop these evictions. >> raf sanchez for us, thank you. today, president biden says he is confident he will be meeting with president putin next month, despite heightened tensions with ukraine. >> are you at all concerned about vladimir putin amassing troops on the border of ukraine? do you see that as a message to you and could it impact your desire to have a one on one meeting with him? >> it does not impact my desire to have a one on one meeting. he's withdrawn troops. there is still troops en masse, but more than he had a month ago. >> joining me now the president

of council on foreign relations richard haass, author of the book "the world: a brief introduction". what do you make of president biden here on one hand saying he still wants to move forward with a putin meeting, even though russian troops remain on the border with ukraine? >> i think he's right. i never thought diplomacy with the russians or anybody else was a favor. diplomacy is simply another tool of american national security. we ought to use it, showing, you know, giving the russians time i think is totally legitimate. the good news is they slightly build down what they built up along the border with ukraine. hopefully having a meeting a month out makes the russians pause a little more before doing anything to use the president's word reckless. i think this makes sense. particularly given our limited options to help. >> does the enthusiasm by biden wanting to speak to vladimir putin undercut american efforts

elsewhere or does it send a signal to russia different than what we have seen in the past? >> i don't think so. again, you know, look this administration one of the first things it did was correctly entered into a long-term arms control extension agreement with russia. it wasn't because we were doing a favor, but rather served our interests to do so. our diplomats are constantly talking about iran. so i don't -- again, i think we ought to be dealing with the russians using the full range of tools, in some cases it will be military, some cases diplomatic. i think this is fine. >> speaking of iran, the fourth round of talks begin in vienna, focused on trying to get the u.s. and iran back into the agreement that the trump administration withdrew from the jcpoa. u.s. officials say an agreement could be made within weeks if iranian politics allow that to happen. with tehran slated to hold elections next month, and you have hard-liners pushing that country in a different

direction, what is your view on what might happen next? >> the question of whether they'll be in agreement before or after the iranian election is anybody's guess. i think the iranians would like the sank s i think the iranians would like theanctions relax that is would come with the agreement. they may prefer this to be held off. but either way, i think what really matters is for people to understand is with or without re-entry into the 2015 agreement, it doesn't solve this problem. there is still the question that -- about what iran's nuclear ambitions will be. they can comply with the agreement and still get very close to nuclear weapons. the agreement also doesn't deal with missiles, doesn't deal with iranian support for terrorist oz or anything else they're doing in syria. we shouldn't see whether we get this or not as somehow a panacea. >> one other country at the intersection of russia and iran and the united states is afghanistan. the u.s. is currently sending additional military assets into the middle east to support the u.s. personnel pulling out from

that country. according to the new york times, 140 pro government forces and 44 civilians have been killed just in the last week alone. the highest death toll in one week since october. do you have any concerns that the u.s. may one day have to return to afghanistan if the situation there deteriorates? >> what all this underscores is we never signed the peace agreement, we signed a withdrawal agreement. we'll get out, things will go from bad to worse, we'll have to decide if we can live with an afghanistan that is largely controlled by the taliban. it is going to be a humanitarian nightmare. it is going to cause refugees, it potentially threatens the stability of neighboring pakistan, which has nuclear weapons. this is, i think, a risky policy and unwise policy. bad decisions now, we're also going to have potentially worse choices down the road. >> richard haass, always a pleasure. thank you for your insights. >> thank you. turning back to washington,

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capitol rioters including his mother. joining me now investigative reporter scott mcfarland live at the capitol. so i know you have been following the cases. what is the latest on this particular case? >> reporter: good afternoon. it is one of the most notorious from january 6 wthd the images that the feds say show him with the zip tie handcuffs in the senate chamber. he was ordered jailed pending trial originally and appealed it and in what's really a landmark ruling the appeals court said he could be released to home detention because there's no evidence he was violent that day. a condition of home detention is can't talk to other capitol riot defendants. his mother is a fellow defendant so he's asked permission to call her sunday for mother's day and not a small matter but an indication of how much paper they go through the d.c. federal

court. >> a separate capitol right defendant facing charges including officers yelled several times i believe in the initial zoom appearance yesterday. what actually happened in that hearing? why was he angry? >> reporter: this is the most chaotic of a court hearing in these cases. screaming and screaming vulgarities at the judge remotely from the home in rural utah by video line and screaming asking for a delay and used certain words that we can't use here and also said he's a vet and that the court owes him a delay. owes him as much and also said because he is in rural utah you can't come get me unless i want you to come get me. they tried to mute him and he kept unmuting himself. he was interrupting other defendants and one he said ongs when they referenced fox news and donald trump.

>> incredible. i know that an attorney for capitol riot defendant anthony antonio is arguing that fox news played a role in the involvement in the insurrection. what is the legal argument there? >> reporter: this is a case that mr. copeland interrupted and the argument that the attorney for him is making is that he was not a political person until the pandemic. said he lost his job and lived with a group of other people watching fox news and said that antonio developed fox-itis and fox mania and released from jail pending the next attorney. >> one more for you and four months since the attack. over 440 people charged so far but what about the person who left the pipe bombs outside the headquarters of the republican and democratic national parties? quite a significant financial reward but no break through yet?

>> reporter: that's the arrest the fbi wants to make. they have a $100,000 reward for the arrest of that person in those photos. the fbi still has the video up and still seeking tips as we are now four months since that crime. >> absolutely incredible. thank you for that round robin of the latest on the insurrection jirngs two major proponents of the election fraud lie are traveling today. gaetz and greene. gaetz is embroiled in allegations of sexual misconduct with a minor and greene had to distance herself from a leaked draft of the america first caucus proposal which called for the protection of quote anglo-saxon political traditions. both in the villages in florida taking place tonight to kick off the american first tour. joining me now capitol

correspondent leeann caldwell. tell us about the energy behind these candidates. >> reporter: these two candidates, they are members of congress who you very well pointed out are controversial within the party. they don't have a lot of power within the congress in washington. but they do have a lot of supporters. they do well funds raising and their america first organization is a joint committee but take a step back and when you talk about the energy of the republican party and what's happening in washington with representative cheney losing a leadership spotted and the support that gaetz and greene likely get in this conservative enclave here in the villages in florida and then elise stefanik to replace liz cheney spent two days on conservative pro trump radio trying to shore up the base and convince that wing of the party that she is behind the

president, the former president and squarely in his corner. she says that he is the leader of the party and so when you put the different elements together it is extremely clear that the republican party is choosing the path of the former president which also means that they are choosing his -- what he says about the election, that it was stolen and those are things that they are not walking away from. >> the big lie. always a pleasure. thank you so much. that wraps up the hour for me and the week. see you back here monday at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline: white house" with niccole wallace starts after this quick break. arts after this quick break that's amazing! ♪ going back to the place we love ♪ i got in! ♪ with endless summer nights ♪ he's walking! ♪ comes alive ♪ ♪ i don't need the rain ♪

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