writing a serious book before he discovered the book of trump. that is our broadcast on this friday night and for this week. with our thanks for being here with us have a good weekend unless you have other plans why happy >> thanks for joining us this hour happy friday night. 1918, two years before american women were granted the right to vote, the women of texas were granted the right to vote in state primary elections. didn't happen until two years later for the whole country but in texas it happened in 1918. here's a group of texas women waiting to register to vote for the first time in july 1918. they're getting ready to register to vote in a texas primary election. this is a flyer from around that time making sure women knew they knew how to access

the ballots boxes in texas. women, the eyes of texas are upon you, have you paid that pull tax? pull taxes were so thin back then. again, this was for voting in a primary, not in a general election, but this was texas in 1919. and texas was a one party state, it was controlled by the southern democrats, very different party from the democratic party we know today. the southern democrats won all of the elections in texas back then. voting in the primary was basically like voting in the general, whoever won the southern democrats primary was basically guaranteed to win the general election to, so it was a big deal. when texas, ahead of the united states as a hold, texas welcome women to the ballot box in 1918 to vote in primaries. except there was a hitch, a really big hitch. this is chrystia era, back in 1980 she was 25 years old, she

was a young suffragist living in texas when the state granted women the right to vote, and so the day that first primary, when texas women could turn in a ballot for the first time in the state of texas. chrystia adarius said she got dressed up to go vote, she was a voting rights advocates, she was something who had been agitating for women to be allowed to vote, she was there. when she got to the poll she was not allowed to cast a ballot. this is chrystia dara in 1977 explaining what exactly happened to her on that day. watch this. >> they would go to vote and we dressed up and went to vote and when we got out there we couldn't vote, they gave us all different kinds of excuses why. finally one woman misses simmons said are you saying that we can't vote because we are -- and he said yes, -- don't vote in primaries in texas. so that just hurt our hearts real bad.

>> negroes don't vote in the primaries in texas. let's throw that picture back up again. those texas women in their cute hats and their long skirts all registering to vote, those women are all white, because in 1918 texas held all white primaries. no person of color in texas was allowed to vote or run for office in a primary election, only white people were allowed to do that. this was post reconstruction america. this was the era, absolutely of poll taxes of literacy test, this was jim crow, this was an error of white people in power using overt, unapologetic influence to prevent black people, not only from running for office but from voting. this is one of the ways that they did it. by holding explicitly all white primaries. they said they were protecting the purity of the ballot box, as far as they went in terms of

code, banishing black people from the privilege to vote. that kind of language was ultimately enshrined in the texas state constitution. quote, in all elections by the people the legislator shall make regulations to detect and punish fraud and to preserve the purity of the ballot box. the purity of the ballot box was about having hole white voters in the primaries, all white primaries. and all white primaries were not just a texas thinks they happened in other southern states to. but when people talk about all white primers they're usually remembering texas because texas was where the all white primary first began to fall. in 1940, an african american dentist named lonnie smith tried to vote in the primary in houston and he was turned away because it was an all white primary. but then with the help of the naacp, doctor smith sued, his

lawyer assigned to the case was a young lawyer turned out to be a very talented lawyer named for a good martial. of course he would go on to become the first black justice of the united states. that case of that black dentists went all the way to the supreme court and the supreme court ruled 8 to 1 that doctor smith had the right to vote in the texas primary. that the idea, this rule in texas of an all-white election was unconstitutional. the majority ruling reading in part quote, the united states is a constitutional democracy it is organic and it grants all citizens are right to participate in the elections without restrictions by any state because of race. constitutional rights would be a little value if they could be thus indirectly deny it. the next day, this was the headline in the new york times, high court rules negroes can vote in texas primaries.

denial of right to vote because of race, violates the 15th amendment. this is 1944, this is not ancient history, this is 1944. and that had huge implications all over the country. there were all white primaries all over the such but after that all white primary started to fall like dominoes. they called it the most important case they've ever worked on. and so in 1944 doctor lonnie smith got his chance to vote in his houston primary, and so that chrystia adair and all the other young women who got dressed up to vote that day 1918 and were turned away on account of the color of their skin. all white partners took a long time to die. but they died. the reasoning behind them, that bogus justification to preserve the purity of the ballot box, that language about having all white electorates for texas

primaries, that sentiment still lives in the state of texas today. in some ways. right now a sweeping voter suppression bill is working its way to the texas legislator, if signed into law the republican sponsored bill will radically restrict access to the ballot box in texas in a way that all observers and experts say would disproportionately affect voters of color. and for the texas republicans who vote this bill, the reason for riding it but they call the stated purpose of the bill will sound familiar. from page one of their bill quote, the purpose of this act is to exercise the legislature authored intersection for article six to make all laws necessary to detect and punish fraud and preserve the purity of the ballot box. to preserve the purity of the ballot box the language from the texas state constitution

that was put there to try to protect the texas ideal of all white electorates. of all white voters in texas. purpose, this year, purpose, preserve the purity of the ballot box. last night, the republican-controlled house in texas passed that bill, restricting voting rights in the state of texas vote happened in the dead of night, three in the morning, they threw all of the legislative maneuver to try to slow it down but it passed after 3 am. one of the most wrecking moments of the night came when a democratic lawmaker confronted one of the sponsors of the republican voter suppression bill. confronted him to ask him if he understood what he was doing when he and his colleagues, one particular clause in this bill. watch this moment. >> you chose a peculiar term in

drafting this bill. you talk about preserving the purity of the ballot box, is that correct? >> that is a quotation from the texas quota to shun. >> right. are you aware of the history behind that provision of the constitution? >> i'm not. >> what was your motivation for using that term purity at the ballot box because that is a specific set of words that has a lot of meaning in state history? what was your intention? >> i'm gonna answer for you. you may have figured it out right now, i like the state constitution and i think as a legislative body we should be looking for the authority from the charter and when we look at what authorizes us, the suffering people of the state of texas who delegate authority to the constitution, we should

look to the constitution and say what gives us authority and doing anything on this issue and that is the provision that does that, and so that would be why. >> did you look at the history before using that word? >> no. if we were to have a discussion over some coffee and go over the details -- but i'm not familiar -- >> you may have missed it done. and this would've been very obvious to anybody who looked at that language, that provision was drafted specifically to disenfranchise black people, black voters in fact following the civil war. did you know that? >> no, i'm sorry to hear that. >> are you familiar with white primaries? >> we've heard and right of such things. >> have you read about those? >> yes. >> did you realize that the

purity of the ball it's box in the texas constitution gave rise to all white primaries? >> no, i didn't. >> did you know that this purity at the ballot box justification was also used during the jim crow area to prevent black people from voting? >> no, those are troubling things. i did not know that. >> did you know that in states across the country penal disenfranchisement scheme were put in place including in texas as far back as 1845 to effectively lock african-american people out of the political process, or you were of the sisterly? >> you know, i think we've said a few times that i wasn't aware of any malicious intent or use of that term, the reason why it was uses because i looked at the constitution and i think that our authority -- >> your time is expired. >> gentlemen time has expired. did you look at the history of

this before using that phrase before defining this as the purpose of your voting right bill? did you know what history you were refrain kissing? here >> no. no and i'm very sorry to hear that. that man was not a visiting child on a field ship who was allowed near the podium, his name is briscoe cain, i know he looks like a seventh grader who is pretending like he is trying to qualify for an ap civics class and showing his shortcomings. but he is the republican chair of the elections committee in the texas house of representatives. that young man is the guy who wrote the sweeping new voter suppression bill for the state of texas, including its purity clause. it comes from texas is history of all white primaries, ensuring all white electorates,

segregating the-elect towards by race. they did struck the purity phrase from the bill late last night when they apparently learned for the first time where that came from. the heart of the bill state though, stayed intact easily passing the bill and it is on a fast track to -- the texas bill is not the first of its kind that we have seen in republican control states and it won't be the last. georgia, a couple of weeks ago, florida this week, signed into law new draconian voter restriction bills which will severely change the way voting happens in the states and limit access to the polls. ohio has just become the latest state to introduce blockbuster legislation aimed at rolling back voting right to vote in the state of ohio. republican efforts to restrict voting in all of these states are turning into big local fights, everybody from

democratic lawmakers to activists to lawyers some business groups, some big corporations. this does raise the question of where the united states department of justice is in all of this. we do have a brand-new justice department with brand-new leadership. they appear to be doing their best to try to dig out of the scandals left behind by the previous administration and there's a lot of that that we will be talking about later on tonight. if you just look at the issue of policing specifically, the biden justice administration has acted aggressively quickly and have acted with alacrity, the justice department has announced not one but two pattern of practice investigations looking at illegal conduct and bias in police departments. in north carolina and the fbi just announced they're launching an investigation into the death of andrew brown

junior, to determine whether federal laws were violated in his shooting by sheriff's office deputies last month. the justice department also brought federal state full rights charges against a georgia sheriff accused of grievously mistreating prisoners in his cares. in the case of ahmaud arbery the justice department brought hate crime charges against three georgia man believed to be involved in his death when they essentially hunted him down while he was jogging in a georgia neighborhood. all these actions came within president biden's first hundred days, the justice department moving aggressively and with speed. now just today, the justice department announcing that they will bring federal charges against the police officers, not just derek chauvin but all for minneapolis police officers involved in the arrest of derek chauvin, they're all facing charges but all four of them will face federal charges on

top of it. new indictment brought today by the justice department. so we have this record already of robust action on a policing at the biden justice department. we are not seeing, at least so far and equivalent level of energy and involvement on the issue of voting rights. even as republican legislators across the country pursue this effort, unprecedented and mother and times to fundamentally constrict a right to vote in this country. it is not theoretical, we have seen iowa not just proposed up but pass it. georgia not proposing it but passing it, florida passing it, texas on their way to pass it, ohio soon to pass it. in terms of justice department action the one thing that we have seen is a letter sent by the acting head of the -- we don't have a confirmed chief just yet, and maybe once we

have one it will make the difference. but they have an estimable official ought -- long been shortlisted for a potential supreme court nominee. she is the acting court of the -- and she did send a tough letter to arizona senate republicans this week asking what exactly they are doing with over 2 million ballots that were cast in the 2020 presidential election. that letter warning arizona republicans about potential violation of federal law in terms of how they are handling those ballots, how they are treating those ballots. there's part of a so-called audit ballots from a federal election are supposed to be under direct control of officials for 22 months after an election has happened. instead, republicans have given all the ballots to the cyber ninjas, led by its qanon ceo. the ballots are being recounted

by people they have recruited off the internet, none of this comports with federal law in terms of how ballots are supposed to be treated. and so the justice department has sent them a letter inquiring as to what exactly they're doing with these ballots. but you know, it's just a letter arizona state republicans have been bragging ever since that letter arrived, bragging online bragging to local reporters that the justice department needs to back off, the justice department has no right to intervene senate -- the arizona senate republican president has written back to the justice department saying that all of their concerns are unwarranted, a back of the hand movement. they've sent this letter, one else does the justice department plan to do, we don't exactly know. now we've been watching this closely and watching for signs that the biden justice

department may take stronger action and actually act we did find out of an actually interesting meeting that was held yesterday between justice department officials and a bipartisan group of secretaries of state or former secretaries of state, that meeting, apparently, involved discussions of concerns over the audits in arizona, whether that bike mushroom into a national phenomenon where republican sees the ballots from the presidential election and re-count them using made-up rules and then announce, lo and behold we have checked the results and it turns out trump as one. that meeting with justice department officials included a four secretaries of state and three former secretaries of state from the republican party, also interesting way you see the lower right hand corner, also interesting the ad included the governor kristi

whitman, who's not a secretary of state and is a former governor, maybe they had a hard time finding another republican elected official to make up the number so that they would have an even number, but kristie witman was there as a former republican governor. arizona's democratic secretary of state katie hobbs who attended that meeting told the washington post that she left not sure would any further actions the justice department might take interstate as this recount continues there. but secretary of state also has some personal reasons to worry, we learned today that as of today she is now getting 24 hour round took clock state trooper protection because of all the death threats that she has been getting while the arizona republican recount has been underway. it is an open question as to what the biden justice department plans to do, what they feel they can do, not just

about this on going sham audit in arizona which appears to be in pretty direct violation of important federal laws about what you're supposed to do with ballots in a federal election. but also what they may do or may not do in all of the states where republicans have either passed or pursuing radical anti voting rights legislation. jen psaki the white house spokesperson was acts today about the voter suppression effort in texas and in florida, these new laws that have been passed by state legislators and signed by republican governors, she said the white house would leave it to the justice department to decide what they are going to do about it. and that makes sense in terms of the justice department acting like that, but today we have not seen the justice department act. as doctors state and state keeps passing increasingly onerous voting rights restrictions. not we as the biden justice department about this tonight, they did point to the departments requests for $33 million in additional funding to help enforce voting rights

statutes. this is a real life issue, with real consequences right now and if this is how republicans in the states are going to behave and are going to comport themselves shouldn't we expect a biden justice department to get involved to join this fight somehow. joining us now is better to work, he is the founder of powered by the people, grassroots organization working to mobilize voters in texas, i should tell you tomorrow congressman who work and many others will be hosting a pair of in-person rallies in austin and in houston, to speak up for voting rights, to speak against these bills that are currently racing through the texas state legislature. mr. or work, it's a real pleasure to see you, thank you so much for making time on a friday night. >> thank you for having me. i really appreciate everything you just laid out including that really important history in texas, both miss adair

attempt to vote, mr. smith spied to vote finally able to do so in 1944. and in that clip you played from the republican elections chair in the texas state house talking about the texas constitutional convection of 1875, after which you have a wave of jim crow voting laws throughout the state of texas. you have elections overturned, stolen and in some cases violently, like in the case of washington county, they produce such outrage that congressional committees and the united states congressman house, and in the senate took up the issue and proposed a federal elections law that would safeguard the right to vote for everyone who is electable, especially african americans who are being denied that right violently, that is in 1980, it passes the house and it is pending in the united states senate where it dies on the

horns of a filibuster. really, you really questions about predicting what we are going to see if we do not get our act together this year. it will be 75 years until the voting-ites in 1965, under lyndon bains johnson, you begin to have a multi racial democracy in america again, and now that is being rolled back, 360 bills pending and over 47 states legislatures and it's not just that, it's a death threats against the secretary of state of arizona, the attempted kidnapping plot in michigan. and then the violent insurrection in our capital, the first breach of that institution since the war of 1812. if we sleep on this, democracy will be dead by the time that we wake, we need more action from all of us certainly the people here, while there is still time to try to stop this. we need more from the biden administration and we need more from our friends in the united states senate, they must pass the for the people act, that is the voting rights act of our

day, of our age and it will do more than anything else to rollback these voter suppression efforts throughout this country right now. we need it now, it cannot wait for another attorney congress. >> tell me a little bit about the state of the fight in texas, i was interested to see you and all the other leaders and civil rights groups planning these rallies tomorrow at the texas capital and elsewhere, we're also seeing the texas democrats last night push that session passed three in the morning offering amendment after amendment. asking these hard questions that republicans had a lot of difficulty answering in terms of what the intent was and where they were coming from. we haven't seen anything in terms of, any type of intervention or federal energy on this aside from the efforts to pass that bill through the senate, where does face a tough road. what do you make of the state of the fight against these

voter rights rollback? >> given the fact that we are effectively on our own this is just the folks here in texas trying to fight this latest voters of russian effort in a state that is already the toughest to vote in in the country. we rank 58 out of 50, given that fact, we have an extraordinary team on the ground, that clip you played from rafael, it is amazing, but it was one of many different exchanges led by house democrats last night, all the way up until 3 am in the morning that make all of us proud. the grass groups groups on the ground, jan old and folks like me and in between, everyone is coming together and willing to make the trip to the texas capital that is an eight and a half hour drive for those of us here in el paso texas. as soon as we conclude this

interview i'm getting on the road and making my drive to be there by 11 am tomorrow. there is hope and i see it everywhere in texas, but we also need some help and that is to come from the biden administration and from our friends in the united states senate. but we cannot sleep on this. we can't wait this out, we need action now. >> beto o'rourke, former democratic congressman, sir thank you for your time tonight, be safe on the road tonight it's not like a long drive and a big day tomorrow. thank you for being with us before you go. >> thank you. >> i should mention that rafael in shia the texas democrat who you saw questioning the republican head of the election community there -- i have heard reference to people blanche-ing or going action before, i'm not sure that i have ever seen it live the way that republican blanched -- just turned absolutely paler

than plan as he could not answer those questions about the origin of the term that he inserted in to this bill. he is the texas democrat who made that moment happen and he is going to be here on msnbc live with my colleague in the hour after the show on the last word. don't just watch me, you have to watch that to. much more ahead, stay with us. d, stay with us. there's more to a yard than freshly cut grass. which is exactly why we built these mowers, to clear the way for stuff like this, right here. run with us, because the best yards are planted with real memories. search john deere mowers for more. fact: moms rule. and we all want ours to be healthy. explore your dna together, and use those insights to inspire healthier actions.

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u.s. justice department to release a document that they've been trying to keep secret for years now, it's a document the justice department jar up to justify not bringing criminal charges against then president donald trump for obstruction of justice. judge amy and her blistering ruling this year said that drum -- they had essentially lied to the public and lied to the court about barr's decision that trump wouldn't be prosecuted, despite the mueller investigation laying out more than ten potential criminal instances in which the president acted to obstruct the investigation into russian interfering in the russia election to help trump win the presidency. now that the justice department is under very new management it

is going to be interesting if the justice department now under attorney general merrick garland follows their ruling and release is that document about not prosecuting trump. or, will they appeal to continue the trump justice department effort to keep that documents secret. we've been watching it every day because they have two weeks to file that appeal or let that documents see the light of day. and in either case it is going to be a very big deal. if we do see that document, and as the judge hinted in her ruling it it says that barr and the justice department never considered the evidence against trump, if it turns out that it turns out that trump -- it puts a hot potato in the lap of the new department of justice as to whether they might pursue those charges against trump now. the statute of limitations on the former presidents conduct has not run. and of course, in terms of the

former attorney general himself, if as judge jackson's ruling implies, this document shows that former attorney general william barr may have lied, not just to the public about trump's alleged climbs, but lied under oath to congress, lied to it in official communications with the court about it. that itself is a whole platter of pooh-pooh plate. to figure out what they are going to do. figure out just how much of the cover-up from the last administration they are going to let slide, and how much they are going to pursue, potentially up to and including the immediate prior attorney general of the united states. so, we've been watching this closely, depending on what merrick garland and the justice department decides to do here, it is going to be a big deal. and it is going to arrive was right in the biden

administration trying to find out what happened between russia and the trump administration. russia's effort to help trump in the 2016 election, and the awareness, and the welcoming, apparently helping the russians effort by secretly giving trump campaign strategy and pulley dated to a russian intelligence officer while the russian intelligence effort to help trump was underway. that was all followed of course by four years of trump hopping on a putin's proverbial lap whenever putin summoned him. refusing to criticize a, always adjusting the policies to adjust to russia. biden administration is still trying to box that in clean that up as well. and today the new york times broke really interesting news on one part of those troubling interactions between trump and putin, initially that has been the source of controversy just

in the last few weeks, it was last summer last june that the times first broke the news and the wall street journal confirmed it with their own reporting, that fighters, afghan fighters who have been detained in afghanistan had said during interrogation that russia was putting money, russia was being cash bounties to reward attacks on u.s. troops. they were specifically paying bounties to people who killed u.s. troops. the times reported that the u.s. intelligence have found that it was not just a theoretical incentives to attack u.s. troop it was evidence that russia had paid out those bounties, they had paid out cash to these afghan fighters. the times reported that then president trump had been briefed on this and he had been offered by the national security council a menu of options for how the united states government could respond to this outrageous allegation against russia. the times reported that the option he chose from that menu

was none of the above, let's do nothing. let's have no response. then president trump in fact had multiple conversations with putin after the fact that he was briefed on this, but he never raised the issue with putin at all. just this horrifying story, right? it is in the sort of thing that you can let slide, even into a new administration. bounties? another government paying bounties for people killing americans and there's not gonna be a response? not a peep? very interesting development on that, the biden administration announced new sanctions against russia for a whole bunch of different things including for interfering in the 2020 election to help trump, just like the interfered in 2016 to help him. also for the solar winds cyberattack, they levied new sanctions for that as well. but on this bounties issue -- interesting, the administration announced that there wouldn't be new sanctions specifically for that. they said the intelligence community had only low to

moderate confidence that russian intelligence officers had sought to encourage taliban attacks against the u.s.. they had low to moderate confidence that it had happened. now, the biden administration did say, they took it seriously enough, there was enough evidence for these allegations that they issued a warning to russia on the issue. they demanded an explanation from the russian government for what they described as russia's suspicious behavior on this front. but, no new sanctions. today, that story advances further, the times basically an ensign's defending their recording on that story. and, this is the really new part, on the basis of what they described as newly declassified information, for the first time, they tell us what they say is the back story of where this intelligence for this outrageous allegation came from. quote in early 2020 the members of the taliban detailed and told interrogators that they heard that russians were giving

money for killing americans and coalition troops, the claim that russia was trying to generate more frequent attacks on western forces was a stunning claim. cia analysts set out to see if they could corroborate or debunk detainees accounts. ultimately, newly declassified information shows, those cia analysts discovered a significant reason to believe the claim was accurate. namely this, other members of that same taliban linked criminal network in afghanistan, had been working closely with operatives for mandatory us unit of the gru, the russian intelligence service which is known for its assassination operations. the national security council said in a statement provided to the new york times quote, the involvement of this gru unit, the assassination unit, it's consistent with russia encouraging attacks against u.s. and coalition personnel in afghanistan given its leading role in such lethal and destabilizing operations

abroad. now, they're talking about not just the gru as a whole, they're talking about a specific unit inside the gru. that is essentially they for an assassination squad, the russian intelligence unit had issues here, the one that is playing amount of things for the assassination of sergei skripal, with a nerve agent in england in 2018. this unit of the gru is blamed for blowing arms depot in bulgaria and in the czech republic killing people in both instances. they are blamed for an attempted assassination by poisoning of a bulgarian arms dealer as well. the national security council now says quote we have independently verified, the ties of several individuals in this afghan criminal network to russia. multiple sources have confirmed that elements of this criminal network in afghanistan works for russian intelligence for over a decade and travel to moscow in april 2018. times go so far as to name a couple of the afghans in question that they say we're working with this gru unit in

russia, they know that both of those afghan guys escape from custody in afghanistan and once they had escaped from custody, where did they go? they fled to moscow. and they now reside in russia. so, this is a whole new element of the story, maybe other people saw this coming, i didn't see it coming. afghan fighters getting paid by russian military intelligence, specifically this knock tories unit of russian military intelligence that funds and carries out destabilization and assassination efforts abroad. that is where the intel came from that russia was offering bounties to those same afghan fighters to kill american soldiers. this trump administration claim that trump was never actually briefed on this. they apparently lied about that when they made those claims. it apparently was briefed to him in his pdb early last year, we do know that trump did nothing in response to that briefing. so far the biden administration

has pushback diplomatically on russia, as i've mentioned, they have demanded an explanation from the russian government as to what was going on. but now there is there's newly declassified information telling us how it may have happened. the chilling prospects that our troops in afghanistan were potentially targets of the russian military intelligence into assassination squad that's been blamed for so many killings and attacks over the world including in western countries. the biden administration demanding further answers from russia, the times now standing by and defending and bolstering that reporting. this stuff is not behind us yet, but we are at least finally getting closer to understanding it. which honestly is the first step towards demanding that we make all of this right. watch this space. lease the 2021 gx 460 for $529 a month for 36 months. experience amazing, at your lexus dealer.

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watch this. >> what is that? >> a mediocre. >> what are you talking about? >> that's a mediocre. >> dude! >> my god, armageddon! it was an army get. in those fireballs in the sky were from a spacex rocket that had gone up into space to deploy a bunch of satellites. it came back into the atmosphere and broke apart and put on that armageddon like show. that was not the way it was supposed to happen. spacex was supposed to control the dissent of that rocket and make sure it fell into the ocean. they lost control of it and it was the round of the earth over and over again at high speed for three weeks before it came down that crazy way it did. luckily, most of it did fall into the ocean, but not all of it. some big chunks did fall on land. fortunately nobody got hurt. here we go. i know you have heard that this weekend there's another big thing expected to fall out of

the sky. a big piece of hardware the first section of a space station that china is building in low earth orbit. that part of the mission worked. they got their space station unit up there where they wanted it. the rocket that delivered that hunk of space equipment up there has been steadily falling back to earth ever since. it's expected to re-under our atmosphere sometime this weekend but not in a controlled way. where is it going to re-enter the atmosphere? i don't know. is it going to be overland? i don't know. could be. china today said, don't worry, we expect that the rocket will burn up on reentry. but previous rocket like this did send joined chunks of space junk down to earth. there is lots of quotes from experts in the news saying if something should survive, well, the best thing to hope for is it will land on water. they say it's most likely to land on water but the only reason they are saying that is

because technically most of earth is covered with water. they're kind of playing the odds here. don't worry, we all live on land, but most of the earth isn't land. that means it'll probably be fine. [laughs] no reason for unnecessary alarm here. are we good with that? is this working as directed? i have just the person to ask next. you are going to want to meet them. stay with us. stay with us ♪ ♪ ♪

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thank you for being with us. i appreciate your time. >> it's a great honor. thank you, rachel. >> how much noticed do we get of where it's going to land? >> [laughs] not much! it's so unpredictable that really, and if they're off by 45 minutes, that puts it on the other side of the earth. we know so little about this rocket, as it tumbles over our heads. it's almost impossible to predict where and even when it's going to come down. it's a bit of a crapshoot. >> is this working as intended? i'm struck by the fact last may there was another chinese rocket kind of like this that dropped gigantic metal rods in the ivory coast and gave people all over the world a scare. are china's rockets doing this on purpose, or is this a malfunction? >> it's an excellent question, and because china doesn't tell

us much about their programs or rockets, we don't really know. yes, there should have been a firing of the engine rocket that would make it come down in a more predictable way. as you said, the first one didn't do this. now here's a second one not doing it. we don't know if it's a malfunction or if it's just china saying, you know, put over. it is going to come down where it comes down. >> can the earthlings of the world, can we humans on this little crust in the universe, can we do anything other than play catch here? is -- where we essentially passive recipients of whatever gets thrown out us? is there anything we can do? >> unfortunately no. maybe in the future there are actually some efforts underway to learn how to deal with space junk, whether it's up there are coming down. right now, there isn't much other than keeping an eye on it

which we are doing. he must have been asked are we prepared to shoot it down? he wisely said no. i would probably be a big mistake. as you said, chances are, it's going to fall even if it's not in the ocean, 60% of the earth. it will fall on some other piece of land where nobody is. we simply don't know. >> and that's just a statistical probability in the same way people ask what were you in a previous life? i was a chinese peasant. not because of anything that connects me to the chinese peasantry, but just playing the odds. wow. well, we will see. matt kaplan, host of planetary radio. it's a real pleasure to have you here. i hope we don't have you back to talk about the aftermath, because i hope it's no big deal. >> we've got a lot of hybrid topics going, on rachel. thank you. >> indeed. thank you, we will be right back. stay with us. ck stay with us our people. watch the curb. not having a ride to get the vaccine.

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sincere hope that the whole chinese rocket thing is something we are all laughing about my monday. you have a fantastic weekend. i'm planning are not thinking about it at all. it's time for the last word with all evil she who's in for lawrence tonight. good evening, ali. >> i don't know if i'm actually allowed to do this, but i would prefer to continue that conversation with matt kaplan. that was wild, and it was interesting. i thought it was interesting you point out