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opposing, a wheelchair, and skin colors and hair colors for their characters. as a result, all as a result of what morgan asked for, all as a result of what morgan wanted. morgan, bug, maya, ellie, great to talk to you. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. good evening, and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, turning the corner and walking into a trap. right now the nation is brimming with optimism, first in even our hardest-hit states, both covid-19 cases and deaths are at
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their lowest points since the pandemic began. over a third of the nation fully vaccinated with at present more than enough stock to take care of the rest. and american cities that were fundamentally shuttered this time last year now on the cusp fully reopening as we head into the summer. of course, that sense of optimism doesn't entirely carry over to our country's original plague, racial inequity. but at least one instance, the police killing of george floyd, the tree of justice continues to bear wnld fruit. as this week the four minneapolis police officers involved in that killing, including the criminally convicted derek chauvin himself, have been now federally indicted for violating floyd's civil
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rights. it reminds us that no single misconduct trial can reform our system, but hopefully the biden administration is ready to turn the corner on lawlessness in our law enforcement and in our law-making, because also waiting around the corner are hundreds of republican state legislators waiting to unleash a tidal wave of voter suppression bills, and riding that wave are gop governors right now led by florida's ron desantis, who this week turned his voter suppression law into a fox news exclusive tv event, even as the first legal challenges to the legislation were filed. we'll get into the brewing showdown in the sunshine state as well as georgia, texas, and maybe even the state you live in in a minute. but we start tonight with
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legislation. joining me now is the chairwoman of the oversight and reform committee, congresswoman carolyn malone, democrat from new york. thanks for being with us this evening. i want to ask you in a minute about a hearing you had this week regarding the black maternal health crisis on the eve of mother's day. but i have to start by asking you briefly about all these cases we hear about from around the country of new restrictive voting regulations. and now even the department of justice is getting involved. what can congress do to protect and secure voting rights in the united states? >> first, reverend sharpton, it's my great honor to join "politicsnation" and you. always speaking truth to power. and for years congress -- we've been fighting efforts to roll back voters' rights and rights
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they're trying to impose unfair and undue burdens on eligible voters. we have countered them with legislation of our own, h.r. 1, that really protects and expands the voter rights that we accomplished in the last election. because of covid and the restrictions that it had on people, there was a liberation of voting rights. for the first time in many states we had early voting, we had mail-in voting, we had the highest voter participation. our lines were long the whole time in new york because so many people wanted to vote, and the opportunity was there. they weren't cutting off the voters saying the time is up, letting everybody vote. but because of this, they're now coming back in certain states, florida, texas, georgia, and others with restrictions to deny the voting rights to people. h.r. 1 not only protects voting
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rights and expands them, it also combats the dark money in politics that is not disclosed who is putting that money in because of the citizens united lawsuit that allowed more dark money than ever to go into politics and conflicts of interest of fighting any type of corruption. it's a comprehensive bill. we have the votes to pass it in the senate if we didn't have to live by that filibuster rule, which i support abolishing. but the republicans continue to restrict voting rights nationwide and it continues to be the top priority of democrats to fight back in every way possible. >> what you named at h.r. 1 is now senate bill 1, and it is extensive, including dealing with dark money and all. on the eve of mother's day, the committee you chair, oversight and reform, held a hearing on america's black maternal health crisis. what did you hear that stuck with you and concerns you the
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most? and what can be done to solve this crisis? >> well, first of all, thank you for putting a spotlight on it, reverend sharpton, especially with mother's day. that's what we were doing in that caucus. we were showcasing the voices and leadership of the black female members of congress who are fighting to change this. it is a national scandal that in many reports, the degree of probability of dying in childbirth is four times greater for a black woman than a white woman. >> wow. >> this is a national disgrace. just as disgraceful is a statistic from the centers for disease control that said 60% of these deaths were totally avoidable. now, i belong to a caucus that was founded by alma adams for
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north carolina and lauren underwood from illinois called the caucus of fighting black maternal death and ways to combat it. we have over 140 members of this caucus. we were shining a light, as you are, on the problem and what we can do about it. we heard heartfelt testimony from mr. johnson whose wife -- they did a cesarean section on her for the birth of the child and just left her there for ten hours as her body filled up with blood. when he called out for them to help him, they said you're not a priority. everybody is a priority. childbirth is the most important thing. should be the most glorious experience. but in america it's not. my colleagues have come out with a series of roughly 18 bills to address this. it is our goal to pass each and every one of them. we are asking the president to put it into the american families plan.
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we are working to do them separately. my committee does not have jurisdictions. there are seven other committees that have jurisdiction. we are calling upon each chair to have a hearing -- >> so you're aggressively pushing this because clearly if you're saying this amount when you look at black women, four times as likely and 60% avoidable, that is a crisis within itself. i'm going to run out of time, but i need to ask you also about -- you lead a new legislation related to paid leave for federal workers. now, explain to me why that is so important in connection with this covid-19 pandemic. >> well, in the covid-19 we got temporary paid leave for the birth of a child. incidentally, it was the first bill i voted on. unpaid leave -- i worked for paid leave my entire life. we need to expand it to
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everyone. president biden has proposed paid leave, sick leave, leave for the birth of a child for every american family, for every american woman. it's needed, long past due. it should be in the american family plan that he's pushing for it. it is one of the top priorities. i've also legislated that bill separately, but hopefully it will be in biden's plan. during the covid, many women bore the brunt of it because they lost their jobs or they had to give up their jobs because the children were home, they couldn't go to school. someone had to be there to take care of them. so they came home to take care of the children, the paid leave package and the covid bill was for these emergency situations. but it wasn't enough. it doesn't cover everyone. that's why we need the biden plan, the american family plan to strengthen the reality of american families. now you need a man and a woman to work together to pay the bills and raise the children. it's a necessity.
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we really need work/family balance. it doesn't exist in our country. it's a national scandal that needs to be addressed. but the biggest scandal and the one that can be addressed -- there are things we don't know the answer to, what's the cure to covid. but we know how to help a woman give birth to a child. and women in america, each child that is lost, each woman is lost, it's a national scandal. we must correct it. we must make it a top priority. the black women in caucus and our caucus are leading the charge for this country and i'm supporting them 100%, and i believe we will pass all of their bills into law. >> all right. well, i'm going to have to leave it there. it's a lot. clearly all of it is certainly at crisis proportion. and you're right, it is a national scandal and we're glad you're on it and you share that information with us. thank you, congresswoman malone. meanwhile in florida, the republican legislature isn't
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content to silence our voices by voter suppression alone. they're also taking aim at our first amendment right for free assembly with a so-called anti-riot law. the new law would, among other things, offer immunity to people who drive their cars into protesters. joining me now is a lawyer who has filed the the first legal challenge against the law in the state, civil rights attorney aaron carter bates. it alleges that the new law creates peaceful protests with inciting a riot. can you explain the first amendment implications of the law and how you plan to challenge it in court? >> yes. first of all, reverend sharpton,
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thank you for having us on this afternoon. it is genuinely an honor to meet you. you are one of the forefathers of the civil rights movement in our country. me myself being a minority as an attorney in a wheelchair, we understand the importance of such things as selma, the march to selma, dr. king's "i have a dream" speech. those things could very well be classified as riots under the new florida state combating public disorder act, state house bill 1. so the most pivotal civil rights demonstrations of our lives would be illegal under this
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current legislation because of how broad and vague the definitions of what a riot is, what's inciting a riot, et cetera. there's just no clear definition of what those cover. and the impact of the first amendment is you can't go out and protest against low teacher wages or police brutality upon young black men. >> so that would mean that that all of the -- >> -- prosecution, if somebody in the area does something aggressive or violent, the entire demonstration is liable because they were a riot under the bill. >> that means that all of the demonstrations would be considered riots. i mean, that's terrifying when you think of the peaceful
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demonstrations that we've had. and you said they would under this law, the march on washington under dr. king would have been a riot. but the other thing that's disturbing to me is part of the new law makes it easier to charge protesters with a felony. due to republican interference, the ballot initiatives that should have restored the right to vote for former felons has curtailed in florida. do you see this so-called anti-riot bill as yet another attempt at voter suppression? could floridians who exercise their right to vote lose their right to vote if this law stands? >> very much so. and also, you know, reverend sharpton, it's important that people understand what is happening here. there's no constitutional basis for this bill, and we already have laws in the books covering
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the conduct complained of in the bill. so what we're doing and what we're seeing here is a broad overreach by the governor of florida who wants to run for president in 2024. this is a political badge. there were three prior states that passed less restrictive bills than florida hb 1, and they were all struck down by federal judges. this is going to be struck down by federal judges. so, you know. >> and you filing the lawsuit clearly shows that you feel you can get a strike down again, or you can have this stopped. clearly as one that has been the first one to do so in that state. let me ask you something else. we have a little time left, but as i mentioned earlier, you're
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an established civil rights attorney. i mentioned a federal grand jury on friday indicted former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin and three other former officers on charges of violating george floyd's civil rights last year during the arrest that caused his death. i see this as a positive, significant development in the efforts to reform policing, especially after the 2014 police killings of eric garner in staten island and michael brown in ferguson, missouri, in which officers did not face federal charges. do you feel as an established and respected civil rights attorney that we are now finally having a justice department that deals with police criminality and does not excuse it? >> the derek chauvin trial was a step in the right direction, but there's still a lot of work to be done, reverend sharpton.
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that work has to be done before we can make any kind of claim that the justice department deals with police criminality the same way it deals with criminality of citizens of this country. if you watched the trial of george floyd and the video of his life being inexcuse bly taken, it doesn't take our entire country to watch a murder for us to reach a point in society where this type of conduct results in a guilty conviction for a cop. >> thank you, absolutely right. i think you're absolutely right. we're not always going to have these circumstances. it's a step, but we're not there
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yet. i'm out of time. thank you, attorney aaron carter bates. we're glad that you joined us. coming up on "politicsnation," the gop is waging war on how race is being taught in public schools. plus, i'm taking aim at the nra and its role in fueling the epidemic of gun violence in the u.s. but first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard? >> rev, good saturday to you. some of the stories we're watching for you this hour, the defense department predicts debris from a cheen rocket will crash into earth around 11:30 eastern time tonight. where that will happen, still a question. pieces of the chinese long march 5b as it's called, broke off into orbit after launching this week. scientists say there's a small chance space junk would hit u.s. cities all of which as new york or l.a., but it's highly unlikely anyone will get hurt. a cyberattack shut down a pipeline that carries fuel from
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houston to new york city. on friday the colonial pipeline took their systems off line to contain the attack. the company and a cybersecurity firm are investigating. the fbi and department of homeland security were alerted. pfizer and the international olympic committee want to ensure all athletes and delegations are vaccinated before the tokyo summer olympics. pfizer will send out free doses to participants who are not yet vaccinated. more "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton right after a short break. you're clearly someone who takes care of yourself. so why wait to screen for colon cancer?
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want to address the national rifle association. you know, the advocacy group that seems to think there's only one amendment that matters, the second. and whose only response to the scourge of gun violence is to offer thoughts and prayers each time american lives are stolen in a mass shooting event. but don't get me wrong.
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as a lifelong preacher, i believe in the power of prayer, but i also believe in action and activism. i've been in the fight against gun violence for decades, from new york to chicago to l.a. and everywhere in between. meanwhile, the nra seems to stay on target, even as gun deaths continue to rise in the country. the most prominent gun advocacy group has found itself embroiled in an unrelated scandal following the new york attorney general's attempt to dissolve the organization for corrupt behavior. the nra attempted to file for bankruptcy with the explicit intent to reform in a more friendly jurisdiction, texas. and now the u.s. justice department is weighing in, calling for the quick dismissal of that bankruptcy claim or an outside monitor for the organization's finance.
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well, you might wonder, rightly so, how did an organization that was once a nonpartisan club for hunters and sporting enthusiasts end up in need of outside financial oversight? they certainly weren't helped by their current ceo, wayne lapierre, who is accused of misusing nra funds for lavish personal trips and more. all this as gun deaths in the united states continue to skyrocket. and the nra fights tooth and nail against any attempt to stop the bleeding, even fighting against the same basic background check laws that their own members support by a large majority. instead, the nra is busy giving money to politicians who not only oppose even the mildest measure to address gun violence, but somehow see immigrant children as more dangerous than a loaded firearm.
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politicians who think it should be easier to buy a firearm than cast a vote. but it wasn't always like this. indeed, back in the '60s the nra joined then-governor ronald reagan in enthusiastically supporting gun control legislation following well-publicized images of black panthers exercising their second amendment rights by openly carrying guns in california. meanwhile, the modern nra, despite making few overtures to recruit black members, refused to stand behind registered and law-abiding black gun owner philando castile who was killed in 2016. but it must be hard to make time for political action when your organization is facing the kind of legal jeopardy the nra finds itself in.
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. as conservatives retain the most useful weapon, racism, to guide them through political wilderness they found themselves in, this week right wingers continued to indulge in their own form of cancel culture, attacking actual american history because it centers black people. while republican lawmakers were busy trying to nullify their votes. joining me now, ibram x. kendi,
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the director for the anti-racism studies at boston university. professor kendi, let me start with this. in addition to his criminal conviction for the murder of george floyd, derek chauvin now faces federal indictment along with the three other minneapolis officers involved in floyd's death one year ago for a violation of floyd's civil rights. i keep asking some variation of this question because obviously it's just one case. but this one at least appears like it might have tangible ripple effects. is there the potential for a reckoning, assuming passage of the floyd act legislatively in this department of justice under merrick garland? is there a chance for reckoning? your thoughts on this at this point? >> i think there's certainly a chance.
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but i think many people are calling for a reckoning where, as you know, and i suspect you are too, reverend, we don't have police killing people in which we are not imagining that people, that dangerous people, that dangerous neighborhoods, you know, are the problem. it certainly is a good thing that this current department of justice is bringing civil rights charges against police officers. it's presumably going to investigate police departments, but we need so much more in order to stop the killings. >> no doubt about it. let me bring this to you. mitch mcconnell was criticized this week for comments made during a visit to the university of louisville in which he said that 1619, the year enslaved africans entered the now-united states, was not historically
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important, calling its elevation through critical race theory and "the new york times" 1619 project a, quote, exotic notion. of course i want to ask you to analyze mitch mcconnell's mind, but your time is precious, and it's easy to understand the pushback from conservatives to crt and the 1619 project as a bloody shirt to wave ahead of midterms. but in your view, is there a legitimate ideological critique in their racism posing as academic freedom? or is it just another rhetorical weapon while conservatives find their way forward, ironically giving them something else to cancel? >> i mean, ironically -- i think
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that -- let me just first state -- and i don't think enough people have talked about this. his use of the term "exotic notion," you know, for the longest, for hundreds of years, people of african descendant in particular, people of color have been considered exotic. >> right. >> while white people, while europeans have been considered normal. and so a date like 1619, which is a date that is almost like the symbolic birth date of people of african descendant, you know, in what's now the united states, you know, i can see how someone like him, who has normalized whiteness, who has pushed for what was the best for white supremacy, could consider a critical birth date for black people exotic. >> wow. professor, i have to bring up
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voting and the blanket suppression attempts we're seeing from republican lawmakers. you heard from attorney bates earlier in the show about what's happening in florida. there's of course texas and georgia. the state is slated to start coming soon -- 113,000 voter registrations to remove the deceased, the relocated, and the politically inactive from its rolls a process that voter advocates say discourages voters who haven't exercised their rights for an extended time, but otherwise are eligible. i've called this suppression campaign every bit the insurrection we saw in january, except this one is starting out in our state houses rather than breaking into them. your thoughts? >> without question. in particular, these voter purges are extremely, you know,
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insidious. georgia in particular and states like ohio have really been at the forefront of purging people, of people who had registered at one point but decided for whatever reason to not vote. and then, you know, five years later, six years later, ten years later they're excited by a candidate and they go to vote, and suddenly they can't vote. i mean, can you imagine? this idea that if you don't use it, you'll lose it, as if, you know, if we choose not to use our driver's license, should we lose it? it's a way to make it harder for people to vote. >> before we run out of time, you have a successful book "how to be an anti-racist." and you're launching a podcast
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called "be anti-racist" when you plan to examine policies that contribute to racial inequity and injustice. how optimistic are you that we can seriously have a future that is anti-racist? >> well, you know, as you know, reverend, many, many ways i'm from a faith tradition, and i come from a tradition where you have to believe that the impossible is possible because that's the only way in which you bring it about. i come from an african-american tradition where people who've been enslaved for hundreds of years believed there could be a day of jubilee. and so for me, from my traditions, i can't be anything be hopeful or optimistic because to me that's what fuels me to create an anti-racist nation. >> many thanks. always glad to have you with us,
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professor ibram x. kendi. up next, gop infighting reaches a boiling point, but more republicans calling for the ousting of liz cheney. i'll break down more of the day's political headlines with my panel after the break. my panel after the break tonight, florida's restrictive new voting laws, governor ron desantis just signed it into law. we'll talk to charlie kris running to defeat desantis. join us on "the week" on msnbc. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old. i do motivational speaking in addition to the substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling--
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welcome back to "politicsnation." we have a lot to talk about with my panel. joining me now, "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg and msnbc political analyst and republican strategist susan del percio. michelle, i want to start with you and continue my conversation that i had with my last guest, professor kendi, about the gop culture war taking place inside of america's schools. you wrote an op-ed piece in "the new york times" this week about it. this really stuck with me. you wrote, quote, telling parents that liberals want to make their kids hate their country and feel guilty for being white might be absurd and cynical.
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it also looks like it might be effective. why is the right focused on bringing false and racist rhetoric into public schools? >> i think that the right sort of has always fought its culture wars in public schools, you know, from segregation, obviously. the birth of the christian right was really about the reaction to an irs ruling that said that segregated christian academies were no longer tax exempt. once the christian right got going, it fought a number of culture wars over sex education, creationism. you remember when there was a lot of hysteria about schools trying to inculcate secular humanism into their students. >> right. >> and so in a lot of ways, this rhetoric about critical race theory is sort of plug and play,
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right? your schools are trying to turn your students against you and trying to force this alien ideology to you. it's a way to make sort of personal for people all of this anxiety about the country becoming more multicultural, about sort of white supremacy no longer being acceptable. and at a time when the republican party is so intellectually bankrupt, when it has no real economic agenda, no sort of coherent governing agenda, this is something that is going to get the grassroots really fired up. >> now, susan, the gop is at a turning point right now. the party is preparing to hold a vote next week to see if they can oust congresswoman liz cheney as party conference chair. cheney faces heat from gop leaders after consistently rejecting former president trump's claim that the 2020 election was rigged.
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if cheney loses her seat as third ranking house republican, what does this symbolize for where the party is heading? >> well, rev, i actually think the party is already there. it is heading down a sewer. it is going to be a very long time before we see anything resembling what we thought of a two-party system in coming out of the republican party. michelle's absolutely right. we are void of policies right now, we are void of ideas. there is only culture wars to be had, and it's going to take a very long time to dig out of that hole. when i say that, i don't mean 2022 or 2024. i mean, 10, 15 years. it's not trump that is stuck now in the state and local parties. it's trumpism, it's that hate, it's that void of values, it's that idea of who can be loud and blame someone else, especially
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the famous "them". that's what the republican party is facing right now. so i would say it's not about to turn. i think it's turned. >> michelle, we see some intense voter suppression legislation in red-dominated states across the country. yesterday we saw a new voter restriction bill pass in the texas house. it was followed by immediate demonstrations across the state. on thursday, florida governor ron desantis signed law that mandates that ballot drop boxes must be staffed by opening strategically limiting where the drop boxes can be placed. do republicans really think their way back into the white house is by suppressing democracy through a slowdown in voter turnout? >> i think they think that and they might be right. the republicans have not won the
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popular vote for presidency in at least seven or eight elections. so if you have a party like that, you can either moderate or somehow sort of change your governing approach to appeal to a majority of people, or you can double down on the strategy that made donald trump president in the first place, which is to, you know, sort of manipulate the countermajority. as the divide between rural america and urban america grows and try as hard as you can to make sure the majority of america is not able to exercise its will in the political system. and so i think there's an overlap between the party sort of doubling down on trumpism and
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the party doubling down on voter suppression, not just because both are motivated by the big lie about the 2020 election, but both are a strategy of trying to entrench this minority faction instead of trying to turn the republican party into something that could appeal to a majority. >> susan, we're almost out of time, but briefly, there's been a lot of talk surrounding rudy giuliani. george conway, the husband of kellyanne conway, who was senior counselor to former president trump, theorized if giuliani's back is against the wall and faces criminal charges, mr. trump should be very afraid. do you believe giuliani would flip on trump? >> most likely. i mean, you have to understand the closeness these two men have had over the last five years. it goes to even trump helping giuliani with his relationship with his son. this is someone who giuliani
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really actually feels close to. and i think it if push comes to shove, i think giuliani thinks they'll never send me to jail, so he doesn't have to flip is where i think he is. it's clear he's somewhat delusional how he's been acting theis. it's clear it's delusional how he's acting the last several years, but one thing is clear, he's always going to save himself if he thinks he's going to be in that position, but i don't think he thinks that. >> michelle, susan, thank you both for being with us this evening. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. make family-sized meals fast. and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. mommy, i won a medal. that's amazing! ♪ your radiance comes alive ♪ i got in! ♪ i don't need the rain ♪ celebrate all the moms
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not excuse it nor allow police to act as what they do as acceptable behavior in the line of duty. what we couldn't get them to do in the case of eric garner, michael brown, and countless others, we are finally seeing them do today. it is a significant development, and i'll saying this as president of the national action network, as a civil rights leader, a as father, and as a black citizen of the united states. but while the police reform movement seems to be getting under way, the struggle is long. and one case or two cases does not mean that we have not done all we must do if we're going to stop this systemic racism and this disregard of protecting citizens against those police that break the law. so we must continue to fight.
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that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for another live hour of "politics nation." my colleague alicia menendez picks up our news coverage now where she'll speak to a mother of -- she picks up our coverage speaking to a mother who has recently been reunited with a child. you don't want to miss it. >> incredible story, thank you so much, reverend sharpton. hello, i'm alicia menendez. new developments in the brewing civil war within the republican party. those loyal to trump ramping up attacks on those who stand for the truth, which brings us to congresswoman liz cheney who could be voted out of leadership next week all because she voted in favor of impeaching trump for his role in january's riot. behind that reality, new reporting by