a very good day to msnbc headquarters and welcome do "alex witt reports." news on the shutdown of a massive pipeline due to a hack due to ransomware. this system spanning over 5,000 miles between texas and new jersey. house energy and commerce committee member adam kinzinger stressing the urgency this adds to stressing infrastructure. >> it's important in terms of understand, the role cyber is playing in the future. things like critical infrastructure, energy. this needs to redouble our effort as a country to get past our internal divisions as the end all, be all of everything and focus on things like

critical infrastructure in the future because this is only going to continue to happen more often if we're not careful. meanwhile, a vote is expected this week whether to remove congresswoman liz cheney as leadership in the republican party. questions raising questions about the party, including how big a role will donald trump play? larry hogan giving his vision of what the future holds. >> i think it's a long war, and this is just -- it's only been a couple of months and we have to see what happens in '22 and lead up to 2024. this is going to be a battle for the soul of the republican party. and i think things are going to be a lot different a year from now and two years from now and four years from now than they are right now. >> we are also getting insight into the future of the democratic party. massachusetts senator elizabeth -- sorry, liz warren. sorry, guys. my ear popped out there. liz warren telling politico she will run for senate re-election in 2024.

the 70-year-old's decision comes as a handful of democrats have been eyeing a run for senate. some new reaction as a growing number of republican-led states enact restrictive voting laws. texas could soon become the latest after legislation advanced through the state house. house majority whip james clyburn stressing the need for federal action. >> i think the national government must play the role in making sure elections are unfettered. i have worked very closely with senator merkley, the author or is putting together s-1 that plays off h.r. 1 and joe manchin, who has some issues. i hold out hope that nobody is going to allow the filibuster to take away voting rights or any other constitutional right. >> and today the biden administration is defending its economic plans after a lower than expected jobs report. let's go to nbc's monica alba

once again at the white house for us. monica, overall, what are we hearing about the state of the economy? >> well, alex, the president is really trying to make the point here that this is a one-month snapshot. that while there is reason to be a little concerned about these far lower than expected jobs numbers, that weak april report showing that only 266,000 jobs were added last month when economists had predicted it was going to be closer to about a million. the president is really using this opportunity to try to talk about just how steep the climb out of the pandemic fallout is going to be. we also heard that point echoed by commerce secretary on the sunday shows who was trying to really put this into a time frame perspective and make the case as the biden white house has been doing for weeks now that they would like to see more congressional action on their infrastructure and jobs plan, which there will be much of in the coming days. take a listen to why she believes the april jobs report is not as concerning as some

others have weighed in. >> i think we have a long way to go to recover from the pandemic. it's -- there are so many americans still struggling. 8 million fewer jobs than there were prepandemic. you know, we are working very hard. in fact, we had a meeting with the president on friday and that was his direction to us, which is, we are making bold moves but there's a long way to go and we have to be there to help americans find jobs. >> the commerce secretary, of course, is part of that jobs cabinet that has been tasked with trying to reach out to lawmakers and sell this plan to the public. in terms it of the face-to-face negotiations, though, alex, those begin in earnest here at the white house on wednesday when the president is going to host for the first time since taking office the so-called gang of four. he's going to be having the leadership of both parties here discussing with them a range of issues, not just that infrastructure plan but likely his american families plan as well. thursday he's invited six key

gop senators who sit on relevant committees to these topics to come to the white house. if we remember with the covid relief deal, some republicans had come before and met with him. they had offered a counter proposal to his american rescue plan. in the end, no republicans ended up supporting it. this time around, though, white house officials are very hopeful there is more room for bipartisanship and what the white house press secretary called a clean slate for republicans to bring their own ideas to the table in terms of how to pay for these massive $4 trillion spending proposals. . alex? >> monica at the white house, thank you for that. from there to the other end of pennsylvania avenue, let's go to on the hill, how optimistic are both sides on passing a strong jobs plan? >> reporter: alex, republicans who are deeply enmeshed in these infrastructure negotiations, people like shelly moore capito.

republicans have offered under $600 billion in their opening offer. capito says just because those numbers are far apart doesn't mean there's not room for bipartisan action here. i can do basic math. those numbers have a pretty big differential in between them but that's not the only thing both sides are hammering out here either. there's also a conversation about what actually qualifies as infrastructure. democrats would argue that infrastructure includes the usual, roads, tunnels, bridges, but also things that fall under the care economy, things like paid family and medical leave, child care block grants, things like that that will lift up social structures as well as more traditional infrastructure. republicans, not necessarily seeing it that way, but what makes things complicated is that jobs report monica was just talking about. both sides are seeing things

this those numbers that allow them to argue either for, in democrats' case a larger government infrastructure package or against it, in republicans' case, who say they don't see the need to invest in a lot of social safety structures. the other thing that is impacting the mood on capitol hill when it comes to democrats is those comments from senate my joert leader mitch mcconnell where he said 100. of his focus was on blocking the biden agenda. optimism was already in short supply here but listen to how congressman clyburn put it. >> it was mitch mcconnell who told them that his number one priority was to make sure that barack obama was a one-term president. last time i checked, he was a miserable failure in 2012 and barack obama was a two-term president and a very successful one at that. i think that they are going to get the same thing here. mitch mcconnell has some personal an amouse towards

democrats that ought not be. we are one nation, under god, indivisible and liberty for all. let's operate like that. >> reporter: we'll see this week if they can, alex, because on a few different fronts we're expected to see bipartisanship go up against the partisan headwinds we often see on capitol hill. not just on infrastructure, where republicans are going to continue meeting with the white house, but also on key items like policing reform and voting reform. alex? >> thank you so much for the heads up on all that. let's bring in jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press and msnbc political analyst. good to see you, my friend. we heard the comments from the house minority whip clyburn about senate majority leader mcsxonl his vow to fight the biden agenda. does the white house think it can exploit to the public mcconnell really singing same old obstructionist tune? >> they do, alex. great to see you.

they believe for some time that their true audience here are far more republican voters and the public at large than republican lawmakers. that's just detail. they didn't get a single gop vote for the covid relief bill. there is still some hope, yes, they might be able to pick off a couple here for this infrastructure jobs sweeping program, but even if that's not possible, what they're trying to do is demonstrate that they tried. polling is behind them. a lot of voters like to see efforts of bipartisanship. certainly the last decade or more that has been in short supply. deeply polarized nation. also the other audience here is, of course, those moderate democratic senators. the white house wants to show them, senator manchin, kelly, a few others that they're trying to try to alleviate their concerns that they may have to do this down the road on a party line reconciliation measure. they want to be able to say to

them, look, we tried. we tried to reach across the aisle. you heard mitch mcconnell, he's not understood, therefore, we have to do it this way and hope they'll go along with it. >> do you think there are any republicans out there who are worried that mcconnell's words, his statements can hurt them, republican party in general? >> i think right now the republican party is grappling with who and what exactly they are. certainly former president trump's shadow cast large over this. there's -- we saw what happened with liz cheney this week and her leadership position. we saw mitt romney get booed at a republican state convention in utah because he wasn't sufficiently loyal tole former president. they're grappling with that. yes, now this. i think there are some republicans who would like to work in a bipartisan fashion. a number of those coming to the white house this week. romney, others. yes, the numbers are different. they want to work on infrastructure. the gap between what they want and what the white house wants. that may be too big too bridge.

at least there's appetite there. certainly having the majority leader say this and reinforce again the republican party is just the party of no, they're trying to be obstructionists, that's not helpful to those senators who do want to reach across the aisle. unfortunately, most believe mcconnell speaks for the majority of republicans who don't really want to work with the biden white house. >> you mentioned the utahns who booed mitt romney. he did so after he was saying he did not support former president trump's character. he didn't even get political before they started booing. he said, he's a man whose character i don't approve of. that was fascinating. my colleague at msnbc stephanie ruhle takes a look at what's happening when business owners try to find workers. here's a bit of her report. take a listen. >> reporter: at a job fair in atlantic city, nine casinos came looking to fill 1,800 positions. it ended early. only 20 people showed up.

the golden nugget casino wants to hire 150 people, dealers, waiters, house keepers. >> could you afford to pay them more? >> we could but as we pay them more, the cost of goods goes up and customers are going to be paying more and it's difficult. >> can you believe that, only 20 people show up at that jobs fair? jonathan, you have the administration now that's trying to use context really around some of this to try to sell the jobs and families plan. they're talking about the barriers for women in particular, but i'm curious your sense inside the white house how much harder these types of stories make their pitches to republicans and moderates? >> right because that's the counterargument. the benefits already are so generous, it's dampening thouchl for americans to look for a new job, to get out there, those who have lost their employment because of the pandemic. aren't in any rush to get back out there. certainly the jobs report at the end of last week, that was one

of the leading theories, why it was so disappointing and surprisingly disappointing. many economists thought there would be a million jobs added and instead it was far, far less than that. the white house are taking the other angel. they believe this reinforces the need for their big government spending, big government project. the people who will be able to rejoin the workforce with some help. one example, child care. thy believe as part of their plan, second part of this big sweeping program, you know, they added child care benefits. that would allow working parents to have their children receive adequate child care and, therefore, go back to work. right now, if they can't afford child care, certainly obviously if the virus made it that unsafe, they would have to keep their children home and unable to return to the workforce. this is going to be a fascinating situation and it's not clear cut. this is why the white house says they are willing to negotiate. they would like to take ideas from republicans. they are not married to the final overall number. we could see it shrink a little bit and the president said he's

willing to come down a little bit from his proposed tax hike on high earning americans and big corporations. not entirely, of course. he still wants to raise their taxes but he's showing some signs and willing to compromise. the question, will any republicans play ball? >> i know you're also covering president biden's decision to support waiving the covid pat ebts. what does the administration see as benefits for the united states by doing this? >> this is another moment for this white house to try to reassert america on the global stage. after four years of an american first foreign policy under donald trump, sort of an inward looking foreign policy. they want the u.s. to be a global leader again. this is a controversial decision. the vaccine manufacturers here in the u.s. were very opposed to this, believing it's their intellectual property and being given away. they're afraid of the chinese and others will get it. these were jobs that --

manufacturing jobs that could happen in the united states to make these drugs, these vaccines, could now be done overseas. also they're afraid companies across the globe will try to hoard the supplies, all the components needed to make a vaccine which could lead to a shortage of vaccine manufacturing. to be clear, this is not going to happen for quite some time. first of all, the european leaders like angela merkel in germany are really opposed to it. the wto needs to be unanimous in its agreement to do this. and they're far from that now. this is something that may not go into effect for quite some time, months even before any of these drugs are developed overseas. therefore, it's more -- the white house is suggesting in a way, even though they believe in this, they like the symbolic short-term victory and one that's cheered politically by liberal democrats who have been supportive of this all along. >> i cheer at the thought of having you on, jonathan lemire. thank you. turning now to new york times square, it's back open

after a shooting injured three people. one just 4 years old. it was just part of a wave of gun violence across this country this weekend. just as cities are trying to welcome back tourists. msnbc's cory coffin is in times square. the good news is at least today things look pretty normal behind you. >> reporter: yeah, and actually kind of bustling because it is mother's day and this happened on mother's day weekend, which is concerning and frightening. as you can see, times square back open. it was fully closed yesterday for the shooting as police investigate it. and this rise in crime comes, of course, as new york is trying to return, trying to bring tourists back. broadway ticket sales, and we see lines of people trying to get tickets. we see restaurants packed as they they have 75% capacity. the city is offering tourists free vaccinations. that's how badly they're trying to return. this wave of violence and this added crime spree over the last several months in new york is threatening that. if you take a look at april 2021

versus april 2020, you see a 30% rise in crime. and a three-fold increase in shootings. yesterday's -- yesterday new york's police commissioner had to address this disturbing trend. listen to what he said. >> there is no gun recovered at this point in time. obviously we're concerned about the proliferation of guns. not only in this incident but throughout new york city in the last couple of years. we have been taking guns off the street in new york city after an alarming rate over the last two years. it's time now that we have consequences for those. >> reporter: so, you also mentioned, alex, this is not just happening in new york. this seems to be a nationwide thing. there were two other multivictim shootings. one in florida and one in maryland yesterday. and according to axios, they're tracking all of this from january to april. more than 700 people were either hurt or killed in 139 mass shootings. alex? >> those are terrible stats for you to have to report.

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breaking news. one of the nation's largest suppliers of fuel is fighting on of a ransomware attack right for you. this breach has forced colonial pipeline to shut down all operations and that could lead to a spike at the pump. let's go to nbc's kathy park joining us from new york city with the latest on this. one big question, is there any word on who's responsible for this sib he attack, kathy, as i welcome you? >> hey there, alex. colonial is working with a third-party cyber security firm looking into how this happened. right now they haven't shared exactly who might be behind this possible attack. we do know colonial temporarily halted operations on friday, but

the big concern here moving forward is how long will this shutdown last? if we go into five or even seven days into the shutdown, we could potentially see impacts at the pump or beyond. this is a cyber security attack involving ransomware which means you have these criminal hackers, they paralyze colonial's network and now they're asking for a whole lot of money to get it back online. experts say this is a big wake-up call. >> as it relates to colonial, the president was briefed yesterday. it's an all hands on deck effort right now. we're working closely with the company, state and local officials to, you know, make sure they get back up to normal operations as quickly as possible and there aren't disruptions in supply. >> colonial is in charge of a real critical infrastructure

here in the united states. just to put it in perspective, the pipeline runs all the way from texas to where we are, the new york/new jersey area. 100 million gallons of refined product which includes gasoline, diesel, jet oil, that is pumped through on a daily basis. nearly half of east coast fuel supply is in charge -- is under colonial. this certainly is a critical infrastructure here in the united states. as i mentioned, a big wake-up call for the country because it shows there are potential vulnerabilities in this system. >> it sure does. kaetd park, thank you for that. let's talk more about this. i'm going to bring in congressman steve cohen, democrat from tennessee. a good friend to us here. thanks 230r joining me. your reaction to these attacks. what are your concerns from a national security perspective? as kathy was outlining, do you agree they expose other

vulnerabilities to cyber attacks? >> weave been vulnerable to cyber attacks for decades. we haven't prepared for it as we should. america should be first and having a defense system for these cyber attacks. we saw the russians attack us just last six months or year or so. we see the chinese attack us. we should be ahead of the game. and we have to be, both in attacks on our governmental systems and on our infrastructure that delivers important and necessary energy. >> so, is there any intel that you are privy to as to who carried out this attack, whether it's domestic or a foreign entity? >> well, as you know, i'm pretty fond of you, alex. if i told you, i'd have to kill you. got ya. well, i appreciate that. mutual feeling both ways. let me just talk to you then about this. the pipeline kathy was outlining this, and you know it transports

nearly half of the east coast fuel supply and that includes your state there of ken tennessee. what is the economic impact going to be? should people fill up their cars because they're going to expect ahigher gas prices in a matter of days or is there a way to stop that? if it gets resolved very soon, gas prices will stay even? >> well, i have no idea really. what i've read is it's been contained and gas prices will remain even. pipelines are a problem with terrorism, cyber terrorism and also also a problem in general. there's a pipeline in memphis over the sand aquap hoar and it's an earthquake zone. if something happened with an earthquake or some type of security problem, that could jeopardize the entire area's drinking water. pipelines are a serious issue. in many ways they fail us and while i know people don't want a bunch of trucks out there or

railroads carrying these fuels, some way they need to get delivered. >> you're a member of the infrastructure committee in transportation. what needs to be done to achieve what you said needs to be done? >> we don't have control over pipelines until they're built. once they're built, we can look after mants nens and the security. but i think a lot of the security from a cyber perspective will have to be the department of defense, homeland security. they should have major units assigned to saying we have cyber defense abilities and methods to determine when we've been attacked in a cyber manner and to respond. this more likely than not -- well, i can't go into that. but we've got to be prepared for either foreign nations or rogue operatives and both make our -- rogue operatives are often associated with rogue states and russia is a rogue state.

>> given your position as a member of the judiciary committee, i want to ask you about the new reporting from "the washington post" that the trump justice department secretly obtained some journalist phone records over work they did in russia's role in the 2016 election. those members of "the washington post" there. former white house counsel john dean says this is, quote, way beyond nixon at his worst. what are your thoughts on this? >> barr makes nixon look like a minor leaguer, so does trump. these were the two most corrupt, criminal leaders of our government we've ever had. and the justice department needs to investigate them and prosecute. i wrote a letter to attorney general garland last week concerning the reports of judge amy jackson on barr's illegal attempts to cover up memos that were written to basically

support his mueller synopsis to mislead the american public, which was false. they need to be released to the public. barr went to trump to be his con sillary, he was, even defended himd in a rape case where he was subpoenaed for a dna sample to show he was, in fact -- or could have been responsible for the rape of that journalist in new york. this is very serious. and this was not -- these subpoenas of she's journalists' records wasn't because of national security reasons. it was because of the political nature of the involvement and the leaks were involving trump and russia and kislyak and

getting information to russia to help russia in the election. there was obstruction of justice that mueller told us about and barr said there was none. but there was and it was in the mueller report. i asked general garland to release the most unredacted mueller report that he can, go after barr and the previous justice department and their illegalities to get testify, and the contentiousness and arrogance of barr towards our committee were unheard of and damaging to the justice department and to justice and the american system. merrick garland in the tradition of ruth bader ginsburg who was brandized. he will act to show the american public what the justice department is about them and not about covering up for the most

corrupt president in our history. i hate to use gary trudeau -- gary trudeau is great. one of the first things i go to. all of the investigations of this president, individual one, and investigations for all kind of bank fraud and insurance fraud and real estate fraud and you name it. and bill barr was working with -- i'll suspect. we'll find out bill barr resigned because we'll find out what happened on january 6th and there was even a limit to what bill barr would do and did not want to be a part of the attempt to overtake our government with an insurrection and overturn the rightful counting of votes by the electoral college. that's in my opinion why bill barr will resign. as much as i think he was a criminal attorney general, i think there was a limit. the limit was the overthrow of the government. that was not limited to donald trump or rudy giuliani.

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after much fanfare, anticipation and controversy, tesla founder and spacex co-founder, elon musk appeared on "saturday night live" last night. >> i'd first like to share with you my vision for the future. i believe in a renewable energy future. i believe humanity must become a multiplan tear space-bearing civilization. those seem like exciting goals, don't they? i think if i just posted that on twitter, i'd be fine. but i also write things like 69 days after 4/20 again, ha, ha. i thought it was funny which is

why i wrote ha, ha at the end. sometimes i write or post strange things. to anyone i offended, i just want to say, i reinvented electric cars and i'm sending people to mars in a rocket ship. [ applause ] did you think i was also going to be a chill, normal dude? >> he's got a point there. musk also revealing for the first time that he has asperger's syndrome. the cryptocurrency enthusiast wrapped up the monologue with his mom that he's gifting her dogecoin which took a tumble, 30% down, after musk jokingly described the cryptocurrency as a hustle. some new fallout in the criminal probe into rudy giuliani after the feds raided his apartment and office. in a new washington post op-eded, george conway explains what he thinks trump has to fear from rudy giuliani. conway writes, quote, if giuliani has anything to offer

prosecutors to save himself, it would have have to be trump. the only bigger fish left. it was arguably criminal for the then president to have used his official powers to try to coerce foreign officials into aiding his re-election campaign. in fact, giuliani said he wasn't conducting foreign policy but merely helping trump personally is exactly what would make the scheme prosecutable. join onning me is anthony scaramucci, founding partner of skybridge capital and former communications director under donald trump. thanks for joining us. >> happy mother's day, alex. >> thank you. i appreciate that. back to your wife as well. meantime, how much do you think trump has to fear from rudy giuliani? >> well, i have to see how this thing unfolds. i think the mayor gave a tell several months back where he said he had insurance. i'm sure he does have insurance. so, if they're bringing down mr. giuliani and, you know, if michael cohen is correct, if

you're raiding somebody's apartment, you know, you're getting close to potentially pressing charges, if they're bringing him down, he's going to implicate president trump. i think there's no ifs, ands or buts about that. how big of an implication, i don't know. but it seems like all of this is tied back to ukraine. >> give me an example of why you say there's no ifs, ands or buts about that. do you think rudy giuliani will turn on donald trump? >> 100%. it's not because he's a bad guy, but it's just not the way things work. my friend michael cohen said he would take a bullet for the president, but, you know, when push came to shove and it was about his family and protecting his wife and children, he's got a priority to that. and i think the mayor has said it. look, i've got insurance. if you guys are coming after me and only me, i think he's prepared to use that insurance. and i think when you're in a situation like that, it's a very rare instance where you don't

start implicaing the other people around you that are part of that plot. so, look, i like the mayor. i've always gotten along with the mayor. i should point out that i was -- when i was 25 years old, i was an early fund-raiser for him. i sort of choose to remember him back in those days when he was fixing up the city and helping us after 9/11. i think what's again on in the last, say, three years has been difficult, frankly, to watch. so, but i always root for the mayor. i want him to do well. i think he's in a really tough situation. if he's going down, he's going to bring donald trump with him. we know that there's a lot of activity, as george conway is pointing out,ers that a lot of nefarious activity around the president. the president has been very lucky in terms of escaping. they call him teflon don. the last teflon don eventually got caught. we'll have to see what happens here. i think it's quite ominous for former president trump. >> i concur with your assessment

of rudy giuliani. i was a local news reporter in new york when he was the mayor, and very, very different person then than the person we see now in terms it of that visage and the way he comports himself. let me move to beyond just donald trump and rudy giuliani because sources are saying that the giuliani raid has left allies of the former president feeling uneasy about what could come next. what do you know about that? who might feel uneasy right now? why would the feds be coming after them? >> well, anybody that was part of the campaign that was inside the circuit related to ukraine and what was going on with president biden's son, i think, would have to -- remember, these guys were incredibly overconfident. they thought they were going to win the election hands down. they perpetrated this big lie about fraud when there was absolutely no election fraud to speak of in 2020. so, i would just go down the list of people that were inside the campaign, working alongside the mayor or people in the

aftermath of the campaign that were pursuing this big lie. there's got to be facts on the table related to them that they're worried about them. that's what's leaking to the reporters. for me, what i noticed about them going into the last two months of that election was wild overconfidence. even the polling numbers said one thing. they chose not to believe those polling numbers. listen, the election was close. president trump only lost by 43,000 votes in those three swing states but he lost the election. i think that's a shocking thing to a lot of those guys. look at what attorney general barr was doing. they thought they were going to get air cover for the next four-plus years. so trump senior adviser jason miller is telling axios that trump rallies are likely to start late spring. and you have frank luntz saying

lies could cost the majority in the house 2022. is trump to help them take back the house or are the rallies for trump the candidate or trump the influencer? >> i think they're for trump the money maker. he's made a decision that these things make him money so he's going to be out there doing these things if he can to hit the cash register for himself under the ruse he's potentially running. liz cheney knows that data. the republican congressional committees that raise money for these congressional seats, they've seen that data as well. for some reason, however, they're very afraid of president trump. kevin mccarthy is obviously very afraid of him. they're willing to oust a mother of five, liz cheney, someone who speaks the truth and relace her with a sycophant. that gives you an idea of how

delusional they have gotten and how paranormal when you think about it from an orwellian perspective. that's the most money he's made in his life, the two months after the election. luntz is correct. the poll numbers are disastrous for the president. look at the approval rating of president biden in comparison. >> let me get to that shrinking concept here because i want to ask you about the facebook oversight board upheld the social network's ban of donald trump. there's new data that trump mentions have declined, around 90% on facebook since the capitol riots. does it back up what you said? do you think donald trump can maintain his hold on republicans in this country without these social media platforms, facebook in particular? >> well, longer term i don't think so, but for the time being, i do think so.

i think they're very afraid of him. they think he has a good 15% to 17% of their radical base, if you will. when they look at their numbers, they're thinking to themselves, when someone like lindsey graham thinks trump plus, they want to dig up more trump supporters and bring them out and use these voter suppression laws to prevent minorities from voting. they think that balance is going to get them back into power. rather than expanding the tent, alex, and making it more like the beautiful mosaic and colorful mosaic of the american people, that's the strategy. they're worried about president trump. if he pulls the plug on them and 10% or so of those people don't vote, it's going to be a problem for the republicans. they'll end up as a minority party for possibly a generation so, to me, i would have switched as an entrepreneur but they seem to be going for the old strategy. this is like selling yellow

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why? why only portions are being shown? >> the judge is not letting the public see the video at all and the family can't even keep a copy, alex. they have to watch it at the sheriff's office and then leave. the district attorney claims the video exonerates the police, but the family's attorney says it shows an execution. the judge is apparently concerned that releasing the video will compromise the investigation. that rarely happens. in chicago in the adam toledo case, the video was released immediately. same with the bryant case in columbus. and police officers, they can be interviewed at the crime scene if there's a concern about people adjusting their testimony after seeing the video. there's rarely a reason to delay for weeks or months. >> paul, when the brown family's able to see even those 20 minutes, are they allowed to bring their attorney with them?

can the attorney watch as well? >> the attorney can watch but they can't make copies. when video exonerates the police, alex, they're quick to release it. it's when video makes the cops look bad that they often try to delay its release. >> something which definitely happened in our next topic of discussion as we talk about derek chauvin. his attorney is requesting a new trial. he alleges several factors such as no change of venue and jury misconduct, claiming that that's what prevented a fair trial. what are the chances he gets a new state trial? >> they're very unlikely. the judge is going to tb like ben there, done that. this motion for a new trial is routine. it's something defense attorneys usually do after their client is found guilty. it's really just a rehash of objections. the chauvin defense made during the trial that the judge has already denied. >> paul, is there any way the judge could say, look how quickly the jury returned a verdict. all these things that the

defense attorneys for derek chauvin are saying, this is why we need a new trial. could a judge just say, i'm sorry, the evidence was overwhelming, we're done? >> yes, the judge can and the judge probably will. during the trial, the defendant has the benefit of the doubt. but after he's convicted, the burden shifts. so chauvin would have to demonstrate that if this new information had been disclosed, that that would have changed the outcome of the trial. that's a tough standard most defendants just cannot meet. >> okay, paul butler, thanks for laying it out for us. turning down doses? that is what's happening in some states as the number of people who want shots, it's starting to slow down. a new push to get vaccines into different venues and how it could help demand. try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette.

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helping? >> hey, alex. it's really quite opaque what happens to this aid once it reaches india. of course, the u.s. is one of a number of countries who have sent planefuls of aid, masks, remdesivir, to india, but we don't really know what happens to it once we get to india. we've seen the pictures of the planes and hangars full of supplies but it's hard to track where it goes from where i sit. the big issue here is that while the u.s. is trying to incentivize people to accept a -- india's real problem right now is so much bleaker. they are struggling just to keep up with the bodies. you mentioned for the second day in a row, 4,000 dead in a 24-hour period. and alex, those are the cases that we know about. a lot of public health experts say those numbers could be even higher. the prime minister narendra

modi, his government has come under a lot of criticism for the way they handle this. they're calling for a coordinated and well-planned national lockdown because up until now, india's had really sporadic local cure fews, closures and restrictions. but they're asking for something really coordinated to try and get the spread of this deadly virus and this more contagious variant under control. alex, it's also clear now that india's pandemic is spreading beyond its borders to bangladesh, sri lanka and nepal. it's a stark reminder. this is a global pandemic, and it is not over yet. >> to your point, there have been climbers on mt. everest on nepal this season that have left because they've gotten covid. it's spreading. very extraordinary. thank you so much, sarah harman. next, some breaking news. new reaction from a kentucky derby trainer whose winning horse failed a drug test. our reporter is interviewing him

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a very good day toall of you from msnbc world headquarters. 2:00 p.m. in the east, 11:00 a.m. pacific time. new developments as we speak, in fact, on the horse that won the kentucky derby after it failed a drug test. its trainer, bob baffert, has been suspended from churchill downs but is speaking out at

this hour. in fact, nbc is interviewing baffert right now. he'll be joining us in a matter of minutes with the very latest from this interview. baffert did say earlier today he was told the horse, medina spirit, tested positive for a steroid bethemethasone. baffert called it a complete injustice and promising to fight tooth and nail and we're going to bring you the interview as soon as we get it. he's interviewing bob baffert right now. also the largest fuel pipeline shut down after a massive cyberattack. it happens through a system that stretches about 5,000 miles or more between texas and new jersey. we have new reaction just this last hour from congressman steve cohen. >> america should be first in having a defense system for the cyberattacks. we saw the