of congresswoman elise stefanik who has embraced the former president's bogus claims. >> do you support elise stefanik for that job? >> yes, i do. >> it just bothers me that you have to swear fealty to the dear leader or you get kicked out of the party. >> for us to win in 2022 and 2024, we need everybody. >> to defeat nancy pelosi and the socialist agenda, we need to be united and that starts with leadership. >> this idea of let's just put our differences aside and be unified, you cannot unify truth with lies. >> it's sort of a circular firing squad where we're just attacking members of our own party instead of focusing on solving problems. >> it doesn't seem united to me. also coming up i'll talk to a democrat who has now made the republican hit list of vulnerable seats they hope to win the house. chrissie hoolihan.

are we ready to go back to normal? a look at what it's going to take for all of us to return to life after more than a year of a world turned upside down. that conversation which i very much look forward to is ahead. we do want to begin this hour by going deeper into the issues the republican party face right now. jane tim just talked about how republicans are fueling trump's big lie by trying to restrict voting in states like texas and arizona. but reinforcing a lie goes all the way to the top as republicans try to oust liz cheney for fighting back against trump's election narrative. so what could be the dangers in removing cheney? could that move backfire on republicans? an nbc news piece says she may only get stronger. the author, jonathan allen, senior national politics reporter for nbc news digital and co-author of "lucky, how joe biden barely won the presidency." jonathan, great to see you, thanks for joining us on this. so give it to me.

what do you mean? how could cheney actually gain some strength here if in fact he's removed. >> first of all, yasmin, happy mother's day to you. >> thank you. >> and everybody else watching. the way that liz cheney can gather power to gain strength here is that she is becoming the leader of the anti-trump faction in the republican party. and while that is certainly a faction that is very small right now, it gives her a tremendous platform, bigger than the republican conference chairmanship, which i think basically no one in america who doesn't work in the capitol has ever heard of. she's really moving into that leadership role. so i think that will make her stronger going forward. in addition to that, you see a republican party receding into this place where they're saying they want to be unified behind the idea that the election was a steal, unified behind the idea that it's all right to storm the capitol where many of those republican members had to flee

for their lives on january 6th. you know, this is a situation where republicans are sacrificing credibility on behalf of this idea of unity. >> that's what i just find so fascinating in all of this, this idea of unity that you bring up and mccarthy saying we need to be unified. i was talking to ali vitali and i said unified behind what? unified behind the lie? is that what republicans are willing to stand for, that they're going to regain power based off of a lie and a man sitting in florida quite frankly playing golf and staring at a wall not able to tweet out all of his grievances. also this polling from nbc news saying are you more of a trump supporter or supporter of the gop. you've got 44% supporting trump and 50% supporting the gop. that does not square with what the mccarthys and the johnsons and the grahams are saying right

now. >> i mean it is true that at both moments those are huge numbers. one moment that you've got more people who are republicans who identify with the party than with trump who's obviously been the dominant force for the last four years. at the same time, 44% of republicans say they care more about trump, they identify with him more than the party. that's also a huge number. as far as the elected officials go, they go where the activists go and the angriest of partisans are and that is certainly behind trump. so you'll see them likely -- we don't know what happens in a secret ballot but the probability, the likelihood according to the sources i've talked to is that she's going to get kicked out of that leadership job. then she'll continue to have that platform to make sure what she believes, which is that president trump, you know, beyond acted inappropriately in the wake of the election but really is trying to sell a lie not only to the country but to republican voters.

her father was in leadership in the house. her father was vice president of the united states and a republican. this is not somebody who is given to democratic ideas. big d democratic ideas. but she is defensive of both small d democracy and small r republicanism in a way that neither trump nor the republican conference in the house is. >> happy mother's day to all the mothers in your life, by the way. for more on the future of the republican party, i want to bring in ferend amandi and nicole. i mention these names like mccarthy and lindsay graham. we know where they stand on these kinds of things. where they stand on being loyal to donald trump versus being loyal to conservative values and the republican party overall. i can't help but wonder, where

does mitch mcconnell fall in all of this? >> well, you know, mcconnell is going to do what is best for mcconnell and whatever he thinks he needs to do to hold on to the majority -- or reclaim, i could say, the majority in the senate that was lost in 2020. i don't think we can underscore enough just how disturbing and frightening what is going on here is. as you talked about previously with jonathan allen, liz cheney's only crime here is defending the truth. she didn't have a major change on a position of consequence within the party. she didn't start endorsing democrats over republicans and contest elections or start voting with nancy pelosi. i think what you're going to see here, as republicans in congress, particularly those that are watching this dynamic take place, the end result is going to be, i believe, a lot of retirements. you're going to start to see some republicans who may not be willing to deal with the public

pushback say, you know what, enough of this. i can't stand by this anymore. the way i'm going to reflect my discontent is retiring from congress. i think that's going to make it harder for the republicans in either the senate or the house to recapture those seats. that's what this liz cheney situation i think is all about. >> so you don't think it's going to be forced retirements? you think these are going to be folks saying i just can't deal with this anymore? >> i think the dissent is going to be partially voluntary retirements by some republicans that say, look, if we have to litigate that we can defend the truth instead of taking up a proven lie, they're not going to be able to continue. you saw some of that in 2018 and some of it in 2020. that trend i think will be accelerated in 2022. there will be some others that will have to deal maybe not by choice but they'll be primaried themselves. >> all right, noelle, i want to take a listen to governor larry hogan who was on "meet the

press" earlier today. >> i think it's a long war and this is just -- it's only been a couple of months. we've got to see what happens in '22 and lead up to 2024. this is going to be a battle for the soul of the republican party. i think things are going to be a lot different a year from now and two years from now and four years from now as they are now. >> i don't think it's a battle for the soul of the republican party, i think it's a battle for the spine of the republican party, quite honestly. that being said, where do you land on what hogan is saying and that things could change over the next two to four years, especially, honestly, as we reach the midterm elections and see what kind of leeway trump has or power, i should say, trump has come election time? >> yeah, you know, this is going to be a very difficult situation for let's just say a lot of the tracking swing voters. one of the things that i worry about is not everybody in the

republican party embraces trumpism, so to speak. there are a lot of people that just want to get back to the basics of supporting the republican party platform and everything that it stands for versus supporting a personality. so in 2022, they're saying that we have a really good chance of winning back the house and looking forward to 2024. this is not going to bode well for people that are on the fence or people that have been fatigued when trump was president from the constant barrage of tweeting and everything that he was doing there. and it's really sad because liz cheney, this is very odd, liz cheney voted with trump probably over 90% of the time that she voted versus who they're going to be putting up, elise stefanik. so it's very disturbing because i feel like not everybody is going to be represented in the

republican party now that we are gunning for one of our own. >> especially when you look to midterms, fernand, it seems that some are leaving out trump's weaknesses. "the washington post" said when staff rose to explain the party's latest polling in core battleground districts, they left out a key finding about trump's weakness. when staff from the national republican congressional committee rose to explain the polling they left out a key finding about trump's districts. sorry, that was repeated. but i repeated myself in that. but that being said, they're definitely leaving out a part of this narrative. >> well, yasmin, that's the political conundrum. you think about it. when donald trump took his hand off the bible a little four years ago and was inaugurated as

president. the republicans had full control of the white house and executive branch and full control of the congress. what is trumpism's political performance been? it's been disastrous. i think that's when you listen to the comments that noelle made knowing how the republican party works, the reason she's so sdurkd, the reason i'm so disturbed the reason i think so many are disturbed is because what we're watching is divorce from political reality. this is a purge that is taking place. this is something that you see in authoritarian countries where any daylight between dissent and the position of the dear leader or in this case donald trump requires your immediate suspension from office. and this is why i think we need to be extraordinarily vigilant about if it can happen to liz cheney, it can happen to anyone because of her impeccable, conservative and republican credentials over the years. this is an ominous sign for the united states and it's an ominous sign for american democracy. >> so down the road, noelle, is this going to be a

self-correction for the republican party? >> you know, i think that you're going to see a lot of push and pull here. one of the things that i really fear is how are we going to be attracting new people to our party. you know, 2022 is right around the corner and we've been talking about this on the show. and if we do not stop the infighting and punishing people that speak out and speak their mind against trump, then it's going to be a shame, it's going to be very hard to attract swing voters, and it's also going to be hard to attract anyone other than being supportive of trump to run for office. >> all right. fernand, noelle, thank you, guys. still ahead, the pandemic has been hard on everybody but in particular parents and in particular moms. this mother's day we're honoring all moms with a focus on those

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welcome back, everybody. as we celebrate our second pandemic mother's day, gosh, that's depressing, americans are more aware than ever of the sacrifices our mothers make every single day.

and yet one group of moms remains glaringly overlooked, often described as an invisible population, teenage moms lacking the educational, financial and emotional support necessary to succeed in this world. one in every five undergraduate college students today is a parent, and yet they remain ten times less likely to graduate. our next guest is determined to change that and she's actually doing something about it. with me nicole lynn lewis. nicole, thank you for joining us. happy mother's day, by the way. hoping you're getting some rest and much-needed time by yourself today. >> thank you for having me. right back to you. >> i've had no time to myself but hopefully after the show i can get some time to myself. >> exactly. >> so there was a piece that really stood out to me in your

writing, and you say this. regardless of how smart i was or how hard i worked, supports that could really make a difference for me and my child would be guarded by unnecessary barriers and a college degree would be an evasive, ever-moving target meant for somebody else. the idea of not going to college and still being able to provide for my family wasn't a viable one, yet even a degree would not erase the glaring wealth gap handed down from generation to generation in my family. i would move through the world with people assuming the worst about me, constantly wanting me to prove my worthiness. what was it like at this time in your life being a teenage mom? >> well, it was extremely challenging, very scary, very difficult. i came into teen pregnancy as an honor roll student who had been accepted into so many different colleges and was really this rock star student. i was the last person people thought was going to be in that

situation. even though i had all of that going for me, as soon as those two pink lines showed up, things became extremely challenging. as i said, people assuming the worst about me, people assuming and telling me i couldn't go to college, i couldn't be successful at a time i really needed people to believe in me. >> so how did you overcome the odds and go on to create this amazing nonprofit, generation hope? >> well, i hope people will see in my story that there were so many times i was close to the edge. i was homeless for periods of time, i didn't have food to eat. all of this while i was in college trying to raise a child and going to a pretty prestigious school. so i hope people don't see me as if nicole can do it, anybody can do it because the reality is i could have fallen through the cracks at any time and most students really do fall through the cracks who are parenting. a lot of hard work, a lot of

sleepless nights, a lot of sacrifice. i was definitely excited to make it across the graduation stage but it was a really, really tough journey for me and my daughter was the motivation. >> so your daughter is what kept you going, because that is always what i ask of people who have stories like yours, which is overcoming that adversity and these challenges but getting up every morning as hard as that is when you have these challenges and obstacles in front of you. >> yeah. every young parent, everyone who has experienced teen pregnancy, all the students in the program of the organization that i run today will tell you that your children are your motivating factor. i think any parent, right, wants to provide for their child, wants them to have the best. and that's what young parents want too. they just need the resources and support to be able to do that. >> so generation hope is essentially helping fulfill this mission, which is to help young

parents pursue their educations. i just want to talk some numbers here. you've already achieved a lot of success. 62% of scholars earning a degree in six years, 82% graduating into employment or another higher education program. you recently received a $1 million grant as well. how do you see that money being used and what resources are you actually providing these young parents to get them to this next step? >> well, i want people to understand just how dismal the statistics are for teen parents getting their degrees. they say than 2% of teen moms get a degree before age 30 so we have a lot of work to do. we have a lot of things to fix. generation hope is trying to do our part. as you said, our holist ic wrap-around supports are providing things for this generation. when you provide assistance to teen parents and you believe in them and consider them the experts in their lives and you're just there to show up for them, that it does make a huge

difference. we do the practical things like helping them with emergency funding if they're possibly going to be evicted from their home or can't pay for groceries or day care for that month. we also connect them with paid internships. we're helping them pick classes and navigate the different hoops and hurdles of higher ed. we really believe in supporting both parent and child at the same time, so we also help their kids get ready for kindergarten. this $1 million investment from the 1954 project is really critical for us to not only continue to do this work but to expand it. we're now also launching national work to really address what are the systemic challenges to helping more young parents and more student parents graduate. we're really excited about using this funding for that as well. >> that's so good. it's so good, so they no longer are the invisible population as you put it. nicole lynn lewis, thank you. once again, happy mother's day. get some alone time. coming up everybody, on the

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year. then to california, the push to recall governor newsom. one candidate hired a bear for its campaign this week and caitlyn jenner is under fire for comments she made at her own airplane hangar. scott cohn is in san francisco for us. i was taking a bit of a pause as i was trying to watch the video and reading about the bear at the same time. but this story is very much a california story, and i'm saying that with a lot of love. how likely is a recall action at this point and what is the latest on the republican candidates vying for the governor's job? >> reporter: yeah, it is virtually certain that we will have an election, the question is the timing. the recall backers got more than enough signatures to get it on the ballot likely this fall. it is fair to say that for the growing republican field, they haven't been off to the most auspicious start. for one thing the main issue that's been driving the recall

campaign, the covid-19 pandemic, seems to be fading. california was the epicenter, now posting some of the best numbers in the country. so some of the challengers have been turning to other issues like homelessness. it's an issue that crosses party lines and is a big deal. caitlyn jenner's take on it on sean hannity's show is probably not one that will help broaden the republican base. >> my friends are leaving california. actually at my hangar, he was packing up his hangar. where are you going? he says i'm moving to sedona, arizona, i can't take it anymore. i can't walk down the streets and see the homeless. >> reporter: others in the field include a former congressman, former mayor of san diego. this is california, so there's an adult film actress and a billboard model. and then there is john cox, who was the republican nominee in 2018, polled just 38% of the vote so his campaign assistant is that 1,000-pound brown bear.

that didn't go over all that well. is there a breakout star among this field? experts say it is early yet. >> it's certainly too early to tell who the viable challengers really would be. and so naturally people gravitate toward those who grab headlines like caitlyn jenner, but it seems unlikely that someone like caitlyn jenner would actually win the office. but then again, no one thought that an action movie star would also win the office before. >> reporter: that's arnold schwarzenegger he's talking about who pulled it off in 2003. remember, it's a two-part question. should gavin newsom be recalled? and if so, who should replace him. if they can get that first question approved, it's just a matter of who gets the most votes, no matter how small that number is. yasmin. >> scott, thank you. good to see you. as republicans are fighting to reclaim control of the house next year, their catalog of democratic targets for the 2022 midterms is growing.

the nrcc has now added ten new names to its hit list reaching a total of 57 house democrats they are focusing on. my next guest is one of those 57. democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania chrissy houlahan. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. i want to read the tweet that you sent out there. it's short and sweet. when you found out you were a target you said republicans are targeting me. bring it. so what does your defense look like here, congresswoman? >> what i would say first of all, thank you for having me and happy mother's day to you. >> happy mother's day to you. >> in terms of what they put forward, what i would say is, one, with my early childhood educator on i don't want to play their games so i'm not intending to engage w my veteran hat on i'm not going to participate in their proxy war either. my job is to do my job the best way that i continue to serve in this position, in this opportunity and continue to serve my part of pennsylvania

and do my job. so i'm really, really glad to be here today to talk to you about some of the many, many things we've done in service of our community, including the american rescue plan as well as the moms and military moms act. >> i really want to get into the military moms act but before we do i do want to talk about any concerns that you may have in being kind of a target on the republican list. that being said, it seems as if the republicans are also targeting the suburbs, right? do you think the republican efforts to regain votes in some of these suburbs, adding you, one of the districts that includes this once reliably red chester county is one of your districts. do you think this effort to regain some of these reliably red suburbs could actually change the congressional power structure in congress? >> i really don't feel as though that's something that i need to be worried about. as i mentioned, i think my biggest job is to do my job, to serve my community. i think in a place like this

that is very, very purple regardless of how they draw our districts, it will be 40-40-20, democrat, republican and independent. my job is to do my best and i believe that i've been doing that. in fact the last congress i won resoundingly. >> so i do want to talk about the military moms matters act. you yourself are a veteran and a mother of two. talk to me about the reason why you felt like something like this needed to happen, the protection that military moms needed. >> of course. i am only one of less than ten women who have served in a uniform who have then gone on to serve in congress or in a senate so we're a really relatively rare population. because we are so uncommon we have some great experiences that we can bring to a body like the congress. one of those experiences is personal to me. i did have my first child when i was wearing a uniform and really found that process to be a

difficult process in a lot of dimensions. one was when you were deemed fit, physically fit to return to duty, it was a relatively short amount of time. at that point it was six months. this piece of legislation is a dynamic and large piece of legislation that includes in it that we should expand that to 12 months so people who have -- women who have their children can spend 12 months getting back into military shape and weight standards. in addition to that, however, it provides parental leave for both men and women, both the moms and the dads to be able to take time with their child when they grow their family. this is not something that's done now. now if a gentleman, if a man is the active duty member, it's sort of assumed that his wife, the mother, will be the one who's taking that leave. so this would provide parental leave which would, therefore, be consistent with the federal employee parental leave which is 12 weeks which was also

instrumental in passing last year as well. so this allows federal employees to have the same access military families do as well. >> congresswoman, thank you. thank you for all of your efforts on that front. appreciate it. still ahead -- >> we're living through a historic pandemic, the likes of which we haven't seen in over a hundred years. >> living through the pandemic. as the country reopens and families reunite, a look at the long-term psychological toll of covid. stay with us. covi d. stay wh itus is the planning effect. if you ask suzie about the future, she'll say she's got goals. and since she's got goals, she might need help reaching them, and so she'll get some help from fidelity, and at fidelity, someone will help her create a plan for all her goals, which means suzie will be feeling so good about that plan, she can just enjoy right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity.

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symptoms of anxiety, depression, amidst this pandemic so i want to talk more about this, how we can recover and return to some semblance of normalcy. joining me now professor of psychology, dr. sunia luther. dr. luther, thank you for joining us. i think this is a really important question as we kind of, you know, look at returning to somewhat of a normal -- what this new normal may look like. i think there's a lot of anxiety out there coming out of our houses, going back to restaurants, socializing with one another. i talk about these terms, pan dementia and pan depression. how often have you heard from people saying that they're experiencing things like this? >> i would say quite frequently. not just depression, but anxiety and apprehension. i think one of the things that the pandemic did was to slow things down for a lot of us so that we are going from the fast lane and all moved to a slightly

slower pace of life. people have spoken about feeling insulated from life in general. so there is anxiety about saying can i go back to that place, can i enjoy it and keep it with it? and the depression as well. there's still grief that has not been dealt with, about lost time, lost lives. fears. yes, i do believe that we are in for a while of struggling with mental health coming up. >> it's interesting, because you've actually done some extensive research on how add lechkts have survived this pandemic and you talk about this phenomenon where your research is revealing for a brief period, the mental health of adolescents approved amidst this pandemic because they had the pressure of kind of this in-person learning lifted. how did you actually explain this, especially when you're looking at the cdc reporting these alarming spikes in anxiety and depression amongst young

people? >> so i think the first maybe two or three months after school closures were mandatory, teenagers were saying they enjoy the extra time to sleep, they have more flexible schedules, grades were easier. they often went from letter grades to pass/fail and so on so it felt like extended snow days if you will. as time went on and you got two or three months into it and the summer, the rates of anxiety and depression started rising again. well, this is not fun anymore and there truly are worries about my family, my own future, how it's going to play out. and so basically what we saw was a dip and a rise and i suspect we'll see a rise as we get into the next academic year. >> so there's two things i want to cover before i let you go. one is the long-term effects on children and the long-term effects of how we deal with it getting back to normal. let's look at children. of course the anxiety

surrounding cleanliness, washing your hands, having to wear a mask. you have children coming of age having to do that every single day. that world is much different than the world, for instance, that i grew up in. and the long-term consequences of the lack of socialization that a lot of these kids have had. is there long-term consequences to these things? >> i think more than the long-term consequences among them, peers, what i worry about is the long-term consequences of what's gone on with the adults who take care of these children. we know from resilience that if children is doing well in the face of adversity, the adults themselves are so exhausted. burnout levels we found among teachers and staff are 40% from 20% last year about this time. so when you think about long-term effects, what i worry about is how are the grownups doing. have they had a chance to replenish themselves because that is essentially where the

kids are going to go over time. >> we worry so often about our children when in fact we are somewhat the victims. we're the ones suffering when our kids will bounce back a lot quicker. they're so young, they don't know any different. they're just looking to you for cues. with that i want to talk abou adults' return to normalcy and how you deal with that considering your you're an expert in resiliency. what do you say to your patients surrounding this anxiety of returning to normal? >> it's pretty much what i tell the children. what you want to give to your children, which is security and comfort and love, is pretty much what you need yourself. what we need to do is prioritize, parents, teachers, being taken care of themselves so they have the strength and energy for not only their children but themselves.

so my first order of business is make sure that you are taken care of, that you are replenished and then start moving on to the different challenges that you're going to have to face with getting back to life as usual. >> that's so good. it's when you're on the plane and they talk about the oxygen masks. put the oxygen mask on yourself before you put it on the child. dr. luther, thank you. great to talk to you this afternoon. still ahead, everybody, mother's day, my church and returning to normal. that is next in the run. plus, fear factor. why former president trump should be worried as the rudy giuliani investigation presses on. we'll be right back. hey there, i'm joshua johnson. tonight at 9:00 eastern dr. anthony fauci joins us to discuss the vaccine rollout and covid variants. and he'll answer questions from some of america's moms on this mother's day. join us for "the week" tonight at 9:00 eastern here on msnbc. :. . and if you're looking for...

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welcome back, everybody. as the federal investigation into rudy giuliani escalates, new reports suggesting his legal fees are also mounting. "the new york times" reporting giuliani's aides have been pressing president trump's advisers to help with attorney

fees after fbi agents raided his manhattan home and office back on april 28th. giuliani, who is being investigated for allegedly lobbying the trump administration on behalf of the ukraine officials has not been charged and has denied any wrongdoing, slamming the raid on his home and office as corrupt and illegal. but his cell phones and computers seized from that raid await review. some suggesting the former president has a lot to be worried about. quote, giuliani's admission that he wasn't conducting foreign policy but merely helping trump personally is exactly what would make him prosecutable. he may want to rethink stiffling giuliani on the bills. joining me danny cevallos, who i am so glad the see on this mother's day. i miss you. can't wait the see you in person. >> no yoga! >> that would be awkward.

>> no thank you. i can't touch my toes. >> let's talk about how worried the former president should be. michael cohen spoke to my colleague joy reid, and he basically said that giuliani is going to get the same -- the same type of treatment that cohen got. let's take a listen to what he said. >> rudy knows exactly how the game is going to go. he created the rules. he created the rules to go after organized crime. and they're going to use the same playbook that he created against him. and it works because they squeeze you. and they know that rudy right now is financially strapped. trump wouldn't pay him two cents because his feeling is it is an honor and a privilege to go to prison for him. >> michael cohen on a roll there, danny cevallos. how worried at this point should the president be? >> i mean, to execute a search warrant on an attorney additionally and when that attorney is rudy giuliani, i

mean, that is very significant. but at the same time, if as is reported this is a fara violation investigation, we have to be a little realistic. prior to 2015 in the united states there had been four or five fara violations ever, and the law has been around a long time there has been an uptick in recent years coinciding with the trump presidency, but this could be a springboard for the president if they find stuff in his devices or in his papers, more likely his devices that could make the president nervous, possibly even implicated in some of this ukraine debacle. >> so just quickly here, prosecutors are requesting the special master to review giuliani's raid items. what does that mean and what does that say about where we are at in this investigation? >> well, typically, there will be either a filter team or a special master to review -- not typically, i should say, but because of rudy giuliani's position and because he is an

attorney, there is a good reason to have this discovery reviewed and make sure that the government doesn't overreach. this is not that unusual, and especially when you raid an attorney's papers, an attorney like me, there is a lot of privileged information in there. so they need to be careful that they're finding evidence of a crime and not going through privileged documents unnecessarily. >> danny cevallos, good to see you, my friend. happy mother's day to sarah, by the way. >> you too. before i leave, i wanted to share a picture i saw online today that i think captured the mood of our times. look at this. these kids look like all of us feel. they're inside the coop while the chicken seems to be running the show. the chicken my kids, my kids me. i'm be back next weekend. "politicsnation" with the rev starts right now.

>> good evening and welcome to this mother's day "politicsnation." tonight's lead, black to the future. right now the situation in congress truly reflects the times that created it. as one-half of the people's house is largely committed to progress, while the other half is still mired not in the distant past, but the past four years. for voters of color, a stack of bills aimed at improving their lives has either been passed by house democrats this year as republican state legislatures attack black voters. the for the people act aims to protect the franchise with federal action as police unions push back against reform, the george floyd act offers unprecedented action to