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my kids have heard it a million times and she's so right, if something seems like it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true. >> it absolutely is. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ hi, there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it's monday, may 10th and we have a ton to get to, starting with breaking news this morning. nbc news has learned that a russian criminal organization may be behind a massive cyberattack, crippling a 5,500 mile gas pipeline, knocking it off since friday. in washington, republicans are taking another step towards sealing liz cheney's fate after kevin mccarthy formally endorses elise stefanik to replace her in the leadership position of the party. and now with a third of
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adults fully vaccinated against the coronavirus, there's more and more talk indoor mask mandates can be on their way out. first, we've got to start with the breaking news i mentioned on top, a russian criminal group now suspected in that colonial pipeline cyberattack. congress secretary geno romanedio said that congress is helping to restart that 5,500 mile pipeline network that runs, get this, all the way from texas to new jersey and trans ports 45% of east coast fuel supply. abc reports the pipeline remained mostly offline sunday. i want to get straight to ken dilanian and tom costello for the latest. ken, what can you tell us about this possible attack? >> good morning, stephanie. two sources familiar with the matter tell nbc news that it's attributed to a group called darkside, a russian criminal ransomware group. and a statement attributed to them has been posted on the dark
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web just in the last few minutes which say we are apolitical. we do not participate in geopolitics, trying to distance themselves from any notion this a state-sponsored attack. but what my sources tell me is regardless of whether there's any links to the kremlin here, if this is a russian kremlin group, they are opportunitying with impunity inside russian. in other words, u.s. law enforcement cannot reach them and that leaves them able to attack the west. this is a crucial piece of infrastructure that affects 50 million people. and this pipeline is not shutdown. this may be about money but it's gone way beyond that. in fact there's a hospital system in san diego that's locked up right now from another ransomware attack and the washington, d.c. police was attacked a few days ago. this is becoming an epidemic the u.s. government has to attack.
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>> we hear ransomware, cyberattack and they tune in. you were at a shell station in virginia, where people care. did you hear what the people were saying, because this could cost us a lot more? >> yes, certainly could. we could be hours or day as way for prices surging at the gas cup, especially if you're on the east coast or southeast. the southeast is really dependent on the pipeline. you mentioned 45% of the fuel on the east coast comes from or out of this pipeline. we have a lot of fuel right now sitting in texas that can't move up the east coast. we're talking diesel fuel, regular unleaded fuel from your gas station, even jet fuel. 2.5 million barrels a day moved through that pipeline and right now it is static, it is stuck and not going anywhere. it is a high priority not only from a national security perspective to get that fuel moving again, it's also a high
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priority from an economic standpoint. the longer this goes on, the greater the chances we're all going to start paying the price, especially on the east coast. we saw in 2016 that same gas pipeline was shut down for ten days because of a weather storm-related issue and prices in georgia alone went up 30 cents a gallon. so the clock is ticking on this and we will see quickly if they can restore the oil as colonial says they're working on it or they can restore that fuel pipeline fast or whether they're going to all start paying the price here 079 east coast. >> tom, ken, thank you. let's turn to washington, where it is a big week for voting rights, for democracy, and more specifically the republican party. the house back tomorrow with a formal vote to remove liz cheney from republican leadership is set for wednesday. let's bring in the experts on all of this. garrett haake on capitol hill, anna palmer and jake sherman, founders of punchbowl news are with us and barbara con stock --
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[ phone ringing ] i'm sorry, who could be possibly calling me during my television show? garrett, let's start with you, is this a done deal? >> it certainly looks that way, the decision by kevin mccarthy to endorse elise stefanik, a role held by liz cheney at the moment, it was the coup de grace here. and she was back up for vote in february and now officially siding with with someone to take over if she actually loses it, it's hard to see if cheney can turn this around or even if that's what she's interested in. >> anna, a lot of people are watching saying what do we care? what is being third in line inhouse when you're the minority member? what happens, you can't stand behind kevin mccarthy at the
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podium anymore? why is this important? >> it's a big deal for house republicans because it matters because liz cheney was standing up to kevin mccarthy. she was saying, listen, donald trump is a bad actor. you should have been impeached. he incited the january 6th insurrection. this is basically house republicans saying we don't want to hear that line of thinking anymore. we are going to move in lockstep in 2022 and supporting former president donald trump. >> jake, republicans keep saying they want to focus on biden but they are tying themselves to trump. what is trump doing? he's still talking about an election that he lost. how does all of this help them? >> the interesting thing is what kevin mccarthy is trying to do is stay on trump's good side so trump doesn't launch primary campaigns against his members of congress but at the same time he doesn't want to answer questions about trump, he doesn't want to answer what trump is saying from mar-a-lago or new jersey or wherever he might be.
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mccarthy's only goal is to try to neutralize trump in their quest to take back the house in 2022. there isn't -- i would say even the people, steph, who disagree with mccarthy and agree with liz cheney would like cheney to stop talking about trump. and cheney has refused to do that so far. and what anna said is right. this is two different things, kevin mccarthy trying to win an election in 2022 and liz cheney trying to turn the republican party around and make the republican party what it was five or six, seven, eight years ago, which was a party not of donald trump but a more conservative party that had a set of believes and they didn't necessarily line up with one person as they do now, because, remember, liz cheney is more conservative than elise stefanik. liz cheney's been in congress and has compiled a much more conservative voting record than stefanik but the only test here is loyalty to donald trump. >> here's what doesn't make much sense, congresswoman. if the complaint is liz cheney
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is living in the past, guess who else is, former president donald j. trump. look no further than arizona and the recount being run by cyber ninjas. can you explain why the republicans think they need him? he lost. he lost the presidency. he lost the house and he lost the senate. >> i certainly agree, and i think elections are always about the future. so to hitch your wagon to a two-time loser, two times impeached who only got 49.6%, and then take that 49.6% and start throwing people out, this doesn't get you to a majority. this is a strategy of appeasement. i understand republicans are concerned about trump coming in and messing up primaries. look, donald trump supported chris co-bach in kansas, a very republican state, and managed turning that seat over to a democrat for governor. that's why we have a democrat basically because trump did that.
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they're trying to avoid that. the problem is they have made trump more central. i think as governor hogan, who is a republican governor in a blue state, pointed out this weekend, the whole test is if you don't agree with the dear leader, we're going to kick you out. then you're going to have more situations like the kris kobach races where you lose a reliably republican seat because you put someone in there that's too extreme. and there are a lot of trump consultants who are out there trying to make money on these kind of races. so when you take the toxicity of trump and then throw in matt gaetz, let's remember he's the one who started this attack on liz cheney, and then a marjorie green, this is not a pretty picture for the party. i think the senate is doing a better job of trying to turn the page and make the elections about the future. and that is liz isn't trying to go back to some previous administration. she's trying to turn the page and have a post trump,
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post-pandemic republican response. and i think that's much more successful for republicans long term. >> congresswoman, let's do something crazy and get practical. president biden seems -- at least seems, to be more progressive than a lot of people are anticipating, looking to spend an 30e7b8ly historic amount of money. right now the center is much more up for grabs than it was in november. why would republicans give that up and let a marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz lead the way? >> it is, it's crazy. i'm on two boards to get more republican women elected and we were very successful in those swing states in 2020 last november where we had candidates like yong kim who ran well ahead of donald trump. we had other minority candidates
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that might have run against trump but they said these candidates are going too far left, i want to check in theous. i want to vote for this sensible person who is sort of center right. if we bring in those type of seats, people who are more ideologically pure or you go crazy like marjorie greene and matt gaetz, then you're going have have the kris kobach situation in kansas. politics is about addition, not subtraction. it's about multiplying your people. so you can't win with somebody -- donald trump who first divided the country and is now is trying to divide our party. so i certainly understand they want to keep voters who supported donald trump within the republican fold, but you have to do that through issues and mission and talking to them about what your vision of the future is. donald trump doesn't have a vision of the future. it is all about grievances and his people talk about that. they want to go after the people
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who oppose them. and they don't offer any future vision and that is a bad path to the future. >> anna, what do you think? >> listen, i think marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz are really loud and they get a lot of attention on the national scale. i also think it's just a reality of where the base of republicans are, and where the enthusiasm is and where most of the house republicans who have been elected in the past couple of years, they are donald trump republicans. they aren't for the most part middle of the rhode republicans. i think you clearly see kevin mccarthy looking at 2022 wanting to be speaker and he sees his pathway there through the very conservative red states. why you don't see that happening in the senate is because you have mitch mcconnell looking at a map saying we have to win in states like north carolina and pennsylvania, where a trump republican probably cannot win statewide, and that's why you're having that tension you can
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continue to see between mitch mcconnell and donald trump, who is really looking at the future of the senate because he also wants to return to the majority and he's going to have a very tough time getting those numbers right as long as there are a bunch of trump republicans running in the senate. >> democrats are watching this and what is their countercalculation for themselves? >> stay out of their way and keep quiet because republicans are spitting all over their shoes. listen, democrats are behind the eight ball, steph, because of history. i don't know, i can't predict whether democrats will keep the house or republicans will win the house but history tells us that the party -- the opposite party of the president takes the house with an average of 26, 27 seats. so history is on republican side. they need five seats to take the majority. they are faring better than the democrats are on redistricting. so they're in a pretty good spot. the only variable is, do voters look at the climate of the country, right? the fact we're out of the pandemic, the economy is
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improving, lots of people got stimulus checks, and say well, actually, we're going to give democrats another two years. i think it's wa too early to tell that. but at this point republicans are speaking for themselves. they're about to throw out someone who has been a stalwart member of the party in liz cheney out of leadership for the cardinal sin of saying anything bad about donald trump. democrats don't need to do anything. they need to just let republicans continue down this path of what somewhere would say is self-destruction or just complete capitulation to donald trump. >> we're going to need all of you as we cover this in the coming months. garrett haake, anna palmer, jake sherman, barbara come stack, thank you all so much. coming up -- the u.s. is likely hours away from another vaccination milestone. great news. the next question, how soon we might see a change to the guidance about wearing masks -- wait for it, inside. plus, why our trips to the grocery store this weekend cost more money.
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developing this morning, six people were killed in an apparent murder/suicide at a birthday party in colorado springs. it happened yesterday morning, and investigators say the shooter appears to be the boyfriend of one of the victims. fortunately, none of the kids at the party were harmed. it comes less than two months after a gunmen killed ten people at a grocery store in boulder, colorado. now to the coronavirus, and while the number of vaccinations keeps climbing, the demand for vaccines keeps falling. let's check the facts. too much supply and not enough demand is leading several states to turn away vaccine doses sent to them by the federal government, in places like wisconsin and illinois, they're just accepting just a fraction of what they could be getting. dr. anthony fauci said the cdc
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may soon -- are you ready for this -- the mandate wearing masks indoors. it comes as new case numbers sunday fell to the lowest levels since september. with case numbers so low, more people are opting to travel. the tsa reporting 1.7 million people were screened on sunday. that is the highest number we've seen in 14 months. nbc's stephanie gosk is at laguardia airport in new york. stephanie, what are people telling you? in their minds, is the pandemic basically over? >> some people may be thinking that but it's a little too soon, you're getting ahead of yourself if that's what you think. however, there are so manip good signs when you look at cases, you look at vaccination numbers, you talk about the travel numbers over the weekend, steph, this is really the first national holiday we had since vaccines have become widely available. you saw lots of people hitting airports like this one, often taking to the road to hit the family members they haven't seen for a while. then you have over the weekend biden administration health officials like dr. fauci being
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pushed really hard on this issue of safety guidelines for masks, especially indoors. one of the things dr. fauci said is that as case numbers go down and vaccination numbers go up, they will revisit this idea of when you're supposed to wear your masks indoors and expect this line between those who are vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated, to be drawn very distinctly. it is one of the ways the administration thinks it will be able to apply some gentle pressure to those who might be hesitant, or at least delaying their vaccine. and what you may see are these guidelines for people who are already vaccinated might change. right now vaccinated people can get together in small groups without their masks on. that's the guidance. but indoors, the guidance is to wear it all the time, and maybe you will see that lighten up in the coming days. it is also a way to just sort of gain enthusiasm for people to go out there and get their vaccine.
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steph? >> stephanie gosk, thank you. people are ready to travel, that is for sure. do not miss this wednesday night, our own lawrence o'donnell sits down with president biden for an msnbc town hall to discuss how to get every american vaccinated. he will be joined by dr. anthony fauci, the surgeon general and more, with live audience asking questions. that is 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc wednesday. coming up next -- how do small businesses compete with companies like amazon, who can pay workers more? and how can parents, moms especially, go back to work? there's no childcare sorted. ted. it was like touching the past. my great aunt signed up to serve in the union army as a field nurse. my great grandmother started a legacy of education in my family. didn't know she ran for state office. ended up opening her own restaurant in san francisco.
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in just a few minutes, markets are set to open after friday's disappointing jobs report. what many hoped would be a hiring boom falling way short of expectations. the president will address the state of the economy today as he continues to push for his infrastructure plan. and as many americans are trying to get back on their feet, they're now facing another challenge, rising prices at the grocery store and beyond. joining us now to break all of
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this down, cnbc senior market correspondent dom chu and nbc national correspondent kerry sanders and our white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. dom, on friday it didn't spook markets, many investors didn't think the economy was stumbling, maybe more there were kinks in the system getting people back on the job because there are certainly jobs to be had. >> stephanie, you're absolutely right here. the market sort of mulled now where they're still trying to extenuate the positive. while the job future took an unexpected bump with disappointing numbers, it did reinforce there's a case to be made for continued government involvement in intervention markets. from the monetary and fiscal sides. from the monetary standpoint, the jobs numbers means the federal reserve will not keep the borrowing numbers completely
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low. that may continue a trend of asset prices like stocks and real estate to keep going higher. on the fiscal side, you will hear the biden administration arguing this means more and in needs to be spent on jobs and infrastructure to make sure the economies and market stay on track. all of this as we see more and more companies warning consumers and investors pricing pressures are mounting and some of those prices will be passed on to the consumer. by the way, stephanie, i'm watching our market numbers right now, copper prices have hit a record high yet again today and you're seeing a lot of companies who mine for and produce copper see their stock prices gain. it just goes to show you inflation in permeating in many parts of the market. >> and that's exactly what i wanted to talk to you about, kerry sanders. here's the thing, no matter what the data is, we seem to have a rational for it. last year at this very same time, prices at the grocery store were going up. we said well, it's shutdown, supply chain issues. everybody is only going to the
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grocery store, that's why prices are up. here we are a year later, everything is opening and prices are only getting higher. why? >> prices are going up, steph, and really when you look at this, it's the case of everything is incrementally going up. it's the case of the economy, it's a case of short supply even though as you just noted, there is supply chain problems that have seemingly been resolved. if you go to the grocery store as you did here today, it's undeniable. the prices are going up. but it's not just this store, but stores across the country and especially noticeable if you're purchasing items from the same list week after week. this year those home made mother's day brunches were only served with love but likely a bigger grocery bill. compared to last march, coffee is now an average of $4.67, up 8%. eggs up 7%. bacon and bread, both up 11%.
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chicken up 10%. sarah is a mom of two girls with another baby on the way. she says her grocery bill has steadily increased the last year. >> it ranges anywhere from $20 to $50 more expensive probably than six months ago, which when you're making a few trips each week, you know, that adds up. >> the gradsky family is lucky they have a way to cut corners. they get meat and eggs from their farm in erie, pennsylvania. still, recent price hikes on other essential items have forced sarah and her husband to take a second look at their budget. >> we've had to rework some of our finances. i have been planning dinners differently. >> reporter: the higher costs of raw materials, shipping delays and gas hikes have led some of the nation's largest product manufacturers to raise prices. procter & gamble, which makes pampers and tampax, said
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customers will see as much as a 9% increase on its baby and feminine care products. coca-cola said the consumers will see costs go up. but the savvy shopper can still find ways to cut a growing bill. >> use store brands. they're often produced in the same factories as the national brands you're familiar with and they're a whole heck of a lot cheaper. >> unfortunately, the price hikes don't stop at the store. if you're working from home, those long zoom meetings aren't the only thing making your power bill go up. the price of electricity has risen 3% since last spring, a shock to consumers nationwide. with summer just around the corner. so if you're at the grocery store and you say, i really haven't noticed my bill is going up, one important thing to do is look at the items you're buying. it may have said 75 ounces when you bought it a couple weeks ago. same price but now it's 70
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ounces. so pay close attention, because you may be paying the same price but getting a little bit less than you were originally getting. steph? >> kerry sanders at the winn-dixie. i would love to know what kerry buys at the grocery store, just so you know. kelly, you pushed president biden on friday about people not going back to work, and if it was tied to expanded benefits. he was not playing ball. can the administration continue to push ahead without addressing this growing noise? >> we also asked secretary yellen about that. she acknowledged there are instances -- and we see it anecdotally, people will tell us things like enhanced unemployment benefits were more attractive to them than return to work. it's limited to those where that threshold would make the difference. but they also talk about the issues of childcare and that availability as well as concerns about the virus. do they have kids who are still doing schooling from home? and that makes it difficult. so it's a challenge.
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today we will hear from the president about the economy, advisers say he will make the arguments about some of the issues that will tee up the week ahead, which deals with infrastructure, the spending that he wants to do to try to create jobs through those different kinds of projects around the country. we also expect him to address the colonial pipeline situation, that ransomware hack that is affecting a significant energy operation on the east coast. and he will try to argue covid is still an issue on the economy and that the dismal job numbers are a reminder that getting out of this is going to be more difficult than maybe we can expect or want to see. so this is a way for the president to use what would be a bad report, one where the treasury secretary expected -- she told us she expected much better numbers than what came out. to use that as leverage, using bad news to try to push the
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agenda for the vision that the biden team has for how to reinvigorate the economy. steph? >> kelly, kerry, dom, thank you. i want to stay on jobs, because that jobs report shed a light on the hurdles that remain even as vaccines are rolling out and states reopening. the number of women employed or looking for work fell by more than 64,000 last month, with childcare still a top concern for so many across the country. our next guest says we must acknowledge that care is an infrastructure investment. massachusetts democratic congresswoman and assistant speaker of the house, katherine clarks, joins us now. congresswoman, before we get to the american families plan, the american rescue plan acknowledged the importance of childcare, and there's $39 billion designated for it. and we're just a month out. so the majority of that money hasn't been implepted yet. on top of that, american families calls for another $225 billion. do we need to wait and see how
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the impact from the rescue plan money works out before doling out more? >> no, we don't, stephanie. and good morning. what we know is that childcare was an industry that, you know, operated on the slimmest margins in the best of times. and that money, that $40 billion is what we need for stabilization. but if we want women in our workforce, and we know that the economic fallout from this pandemic is nothing short of cass strofic for women and their participation in our workforce and our economy, we have to make these long-term investments in childcare, in is making sure we have paid leave and equal pay policies. all of this vital economic infrastructure that is necessary for not just returning to the status quo but building an inclusive economy that works for
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women. >> it's a vicious cycle. if we don't have childcare, we can't get jobs. we want to have a good job, we need childcare. i want to talk about this job number. there's so much noise around it that people aren't going back to work because they're getting too much unemployment. in your mind is it too much unemployment money or do the jobs that exist are not paying living wages? >> you know, it is the fundamentals we need to look at. systemic change like childcare, paid leave policies, the child tax credit that are going to help families, and in specific women, be successful. just last week i had a small business roundtable in my district with restaurant owners, local chamber of commerce representatives. the issue they identified for me in getting their employees back was childcare. it was schools closed and
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childcare centers still either shuttered or operating at low capacity, that was the number one reason that those employees cannot get back to work. and so we've known about these systemic problems for a very long time. but the pandemic has brought them into stark relief. if we want to make change, get this economy working for families again, these are the investments we need to make. >> let's stay on the small businesses because it's not just people aren't necessarily going back to work. we are seeing well over a million people -- i mean amazon alone hired 500,000 people in the last year. many of those people came from the service industry, came from small businesses that shut down during the pandemic. now that we're reopening, how do small businesses in america compete with an amazon, walmart, that can start $16 an hour and
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can offer health care? >> you know, we have to make sure that our small businesses are supported. they are our economic main streets and -- >> so what does that look like? >> they are the backbone of our economy. part of it is what we did in the american rescue plan, making sure we are giving money to small businesses, helping our restaurants get through this period and be able to hire those employees. but all of this comes back to these systemic investments that we need to make. childcare is at the crux of this, and elder care. i wrote a piece for mother's day this year where i talked about when came into congress having young children and two parents who were suffering severe illnesses, that tension that it put on my experience, having a
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job in congress where i could take a day off, i had good health insurance. we need to make sure that everyone single family and every small business is able to make a living wage and have the care that they need so they can care for their loved ones and not have to choose between that and a paycheck. >> take me to your state, because there's been a lot of discussion around removing the cap on state and local tax deductions, especially in high-taxed states like yours. i want to share with senator bernie sanders said when he was asked about removing this tax. >> it sends a terrible, terrible message. so ultimately what you have got to do -- and for nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, it is hard with small margins and you have to
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make it clear which side you are on and you can't be on the side of the wealthy and powerful if you are going to represent middle and poor families. >> you call it a rich and blue state. what do you mean by that? >> it's necessary how we make these huge investments that is necessary, necessary to build the economy we want. we have to look at the tax code and how we're going to pay it. i agree with president biden, this is a time to rebalance. to make sure that the very wealthiest and our largest corporations, 50 of our largest paid zero in income tax -- >> but i'm not talking about corporate taxes. i'm talking about s.a.l.t., state and local taxes, the people in massachusetts. >> yes, state and local taxes, this is an issue we've seen our caucus come out strongly certain members in districts like mine say they want to see. but we can't just take one piece of tax code. we have to look at rebalancing
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and making sure everyone is paying their fair share. so to look at one piece of this in isolation, i don't think is effective. let's look at the entire tax code and make sure that working families don't continue to pay the burden of taxes that way exceeds the wealthiest of americans. so we're going to do an analysis in the house of where we are with this tax code, looking at president biden's suggestions on how we can rebalance to make it more fair for families. that's what our work is doing through the american rescue plan, through the american families plan, the infrastructure investments we're looking at, are done by talking to families at home and addressing those issues around the kitchen table and bringing them to reality. we can't go back to the status quo. let's build an economy that
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during the recount process, and the people there doing the recount include untrained people who are touting all kinds of wild conspiracy theories. it includes a man who was actually photographed on the capitol steps during the january 6th insurrection. he's part of this recount. arizona secretary of state katie hobbs said she's the target of death threats after she criticized the audit for lacking basic safeguards. the best guest to help make sense of all of this, a political anchor and reporter for phoenix kpnx 12 news. start with this new conspiracy theory involving routers. what is this all about? >> so the senate, the senate republicans have subpoenaed all of maricopa county's computer network routers. they want those, ken bennett, the liaison, says it's because of a conspiracy theory they're trying to follow up on that the ballot tabulating machines, ballot counting machines were
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networked and could be reached on the internet. and they want all of maricopa county's routers. maricopa county is the fourth largest county in the country. the county board, there's a deadline last friday close of business for the county to turn them over. the county board's lawyer said no. more importantly, the maricopa county sheriff said hell no to that request. so here we are on monday wondering what is going to happen with the subpoena. and there is a chance this could go back to court. >> talk us through this. first of all, i love the hell no, but this ballot counting is going to take a break at the end of the week. help us understand the potential other court battle over equipment. what is happening? >> okay, so let's keep the ballot count aside, set that aside for a second. so we have to go back a few months, to where a judge, one lower court judge, gave the approval to this subpoena.
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said, yes, you can issue this senate, senate judiciary committee, as the state senate committee controlled by a republican. it was issued by one person. there was no senate vote on this, by the way. the senate judiciary care issued this subpoena. it's a laundry list, long list of things. among them is the routers. they're finally getting around to the routers. the county as i said said no, sheriff hell no, the response might have to be seeking the injunction blocking the county senate from getting their hands on the routers. and here's the big picture going back to february, there are a lot of people on the left and right who said the county should have fought that subpoena, shouldn't have just left it at one lower court judge issuing an opinion and taken it much higher, all the way to the arizona supreme court. and now this might be the moment -- might be the moment, that they have that fight over
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the subpoena. >> well, then we will be back to you as it happens. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. coming up -- a story you know we have to cover today. a shocker in the sports world and beyond. the winner of this year's kentucky derby failed a post race drug test. what happens to all of that money won from the derby? i'm worried about that two grand steve kornacki took home. my husband and i have never eaten healthier. shingles doesn't care. i logged 10,000 steps today. shingles doesn't care.
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the run for the roses just got a little thorny. medina spirit just failed a drug test. testing positive for a higher than allowed amount of anti-inflammatory steroid. and now bob baffert has been suspended because of it. >> this is the biggest gut punch of my life. i have a lot of respect for the life and it's an injustice for the horse. something went wrong there. i don't know, but we're going to get to the bottom of it. >> you think? mike tirico from nbc sports is
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the only person we needed to see today. this is bob baffert's like 7th win, but it's his 4th or 5th drug test failed this year. why did the horse have this drug in it's system as all. >> no horse is watched as closely as those in the kentucky derby. with some suspicion they were checking bob baffert. he knew that people would be watching very closely. that's why he has been so steadfast in his denial that he had anything to do with this or that the horse was ever injected or treated with this before the race. so this is a tough one. the court of public opinion will be against him because it is not the first time. we'll have to wait and see where
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this will go at this point. >> i'm not thinking about bob baffert. i'm thinking about those that won money. >> if they overturn the results, they would get that money, however the betters, they don't change so kornacki keeps their money, and everyone else that had the horse that was second and beyond don't get their money nap is one of the concerns with this industry. you have the betters propping up the industry, so kornacki will be cashing money that maybe history will show in the end that he didn't eastern. >> do you think medina spirit should be allowed to race in the preakness this weekend? >> they could have oversight
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over everything, right? in horse racing we don't have that national body yet. it doesn't feel like the horse should be able to run if there is a question, but what happens if there is a mistake in the lab work and you deny the horse the chance to run the second leg of the triple crown. we'll have to see what the folks decide to do regarding letting the horse in or not. >> michael hold on, a mistake in the lab work. weren't they double-check it before officially releasing it if there is a chance there could be a mistake? >> just like a lot of drug tests there is a split sample, right? you have to make sure there was no contamination. it happened before, it's not likely but it is very possible and that's why. you still have proof to get to before kentucky can definitively say he is disqualified. that's why it puts maryland in a tough spot. it doesn't feel right at this point but they will have a big
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decision to make in the next 24 to 48 hours. >> what does it mean for bob baffert? >> it will put into request the results. bob is the human face of the sport. the most recognizable person with the sport. he told me a few weeks ago he knows there is a target in his back. he feels others are jealous of his kesz. so he knows that he faces the spotlight. i think that's why he came out defending what happened in the treatment of the horse before the race. this will certainly bring other folks who have not questions baffert before to question his methods. but for baffert he has to prove innocence. that is a very gray area with baffert and with horses in question over the last year. >> michael we'll leave it there and you at home can watch the
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preakness stakes at 5:00 p.m. eastern on saturday. that wraps up this very busy monday morning hour. hallie jackson picks up breaking news coverage, next. picks up bg news coverage, next. ♪ ♪
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