breaking from liz cheney by endorsing elise stefanik to embrace her for the gop leadership for her refusal to go along with the big lie that the election was stolen. in afghanistan burials for the victims of the devastating bombing of the girls school in kabul with at least 60 people dead, many of them young girls. this is the pace of attacks against afghans are increasing only weeks after president biden's announcement that u.s. troops would also be gone by september 11th. and hacked, the nation's vulnerable energy sector exposed by the worst cyber attack in u.s. history against a major pipeline. trying to locate and isolate the malware. tom costello is covering the ransom ware attack for the intelligence surgeries, the pipeline companies as well do

they suspect an adversary or criminal organization or can they distinguish between the two? >> they are pretty confident this is the work of russian cyber criminals by the name of dark. i've got the name on another piece of paper, but the bottom line is russian cyber criminals and this organization demands ransomware when they lock up something. they are demanding an unknown amount of money from colonial pipeline. you can see the scale of this pipeline. as you mentioned more than 5,000 miles long. it runs from texas up to the east coast. it transports 45% of the daily energy needs, the fuel needs to the east coast. so we're talking about gasoline and diesel fuel and jet fuel and right now there's an awful lot of that stuck in texas unable to move up the east coast. colonial tells us that they are working hard to get these pipelines, there are four of them, actually that are right

now shut down to get them operating again, but this does appear to be a very sophisticated cyber operation that has essentially frozen these lines. as you mentioned it's a top priority of the national security agency trying to figure out exactly who is behind this, but then in addition health colonial get their pipes back open again. as for when this, could this affect gas prices? the talk is yes, potentially, the longer this goes on. we're talking now already about three days, if we go into, there we are with gas prices. $2.97 a gallon right now, that's up 7 cents from a week ago and the price has been pretty steady over the last two or three days and the question is will that start to move up over the coming three to five days if they haven't been able to unfreeze their pipelines. by comparison, back in 2016, the same pipeline was hit by a weather outage and as a result, it was down for about ten days. gas prices rose 30 cents just in

georgia over that period. so they're watching this very closely and the faster that they get this pipe back up and running the less of a chance there is for us to see higher gas prices, andrea. >> it's gas prices at the pump for most americans also would be jet fuel, diesel fuel, there's a whole supply chain issue and energy supplies that would go through the marketplace. let's talk about how well equipped the administration is to deal with this because you've got a lot of agencies, but you had a standing down on cyber during the trump era after the white house, tom bossert was basically removed and was not replaced and how much do they stand up now and broke out an agency response in terms of the national security issue. >> i think you're absolutely right. there was a deemphasis on cyber after the elections. however, they put an awful lot of emphasis on cyber at the national security agency with general nakasone's group despite

what had been perceived as resistance from the trump administration. at the moment, that apparatus, as you would expect, is in full response mode, coordinating with various government agencies, but also with the various private companies that are out there like crowd strike, for example, that worked specifically with trying to intervene in these types of attacks and try to curtail them as fast as we can. >> tom costello, thanks so much for starting us off today and joins me now. let's start with this ransomware attack. we've been so concerned with vulnerability like china, russia, north korea, iran and this may be a russian criminal enterprise. the big question is how do you distinguish between a russian criminal enterprise and the russian government? >> i know you're in the rotunda and it's rather noisy there, but

i hope you can hear the question, senator. >> i can. thanks for having me on, andrea. listen, the entire russian government is a criminal enterprise. >> exactly. i think it is accurate to state it's difficult to try to unwind these more formal criminal elements from the russian government and the gru, their secret service. listen, we're obviously going to learn a lot about the attack and now that we know that there was russian involvement i'm sure we'll get a classified briefing at some point this week, but what i think we have to communicate, the russians is that the united states of america has the same capabilities that the russians and russian criminal elements do and if we get to a series of escalating cyber attacks both here in the united states and inside russia and this is not good business and so we ultimately have to defend ourselves with better coordination with the public and the private sector here at home, but part of defending america is

making our adversaries know that we have offensive capabilities, as well. so i think all of those things will have to be communicated shortly as we learn more about the nature of this attack. >> and i do know, correctly if i'm wrong, but there was a time, perhaps it was more than a year ago when we blacked out moscow in retaliation for something. >> obviously, we have some significant capabilities and again, i think it's important for us to make clear what our options are, but we also can do better here at home. you mentioned the trump administration had stood down some of our focus on cyber protections. we've got to do a better job of integrating what the private sector knows about these attacks that come from outside of the united states. they've got to share more of that from the government so we can have coordinated strategies so we have a defensive strategy, but we also have to make clear what our offensive capabilities

are. >> senator, i know you just got back from the middle east and there are horrible clashes in jerusalem, in east jerusalem continuing today. it has been a prime area because of the al aqsa mosque, the third most holiest place in islam and over the weekend the israeli defense force and we don't know what started this. we know one spark point was israeli settlers trying to evict palestinians from their decades-long homes and firing bullets into the mosque where people were at prayer. what can the u.s. do? the u.s. has denounced this and what can they do to stop it from escalating? >> these scenes are very difficult to watch. there is news today of a rocket attack in jerusalem. hamas is of course, going to try to use this moment of unrest to try to build and shore up their

political base. those attacks are absolutely unacceptable and both sides need to take steps toward de-escalation. i have feelings about these evictions of palestinians who have been in these neighborhoods for generations. i think the united states should press the israelis to stop those evictions and we also need to press hamas and their allies to stop continuing to ratchet up the violence. so everyone in and around israel has to take some steps to make sure that we can have a path towards de-escalation this last weekend has been difficult to watch. >> you're right to point out what's happening from gaza, from hamas. you have a failure of leadership from both sides with a complete vacuum of power negotiating yet with another new government on the palestinian side and that's endemic.

i want to take you to the palestinian side because we have a live report coming from richard engel in kabul later this hour. you said that the president made the right decision and there were no good decision, but to withdraw from afghanistan, but now women and girls. these girls were just trying to get educated. their gains over the last 20 years has been largely because of the bush administration and the obama administration, constitutional guarantees for women after 9/11 and after we invaded, and now what are their lives going to be like if there is a taliban takeover? we don't know who did this. we now have as many as 60 teenage girls dead and others grievously wounded. >> these reports are hard to stomach. as you know, andrea, there are a lot of different opinions as to how successful the taliban will be at taking control of kabul. remember today the taliban controls sizeable portions of the countries and so already up until this point a lot of the

gains that we had made with respect to the rights of women and young girls had been erased because even as the united states has been on the ground there with thousands of forces we've been losing the battle. the afghan army would hold much of the countryside and what i think president biden is recognizing is that the trajectory in afghanistan has been heading in the wrong way for a long time and the u.s. people are not interested in having a permanent -- in afghanistan. we will support the afghan government and their reform agenda in all sorts of important ways and there are many who think that the taliban will have a hard time in advancing into some of these cities today held by the afghan government. so i think that there is still a lot of work the united states can do in afghanistan to support the rights of women. we can help the mediator between the taliban and afghan government so they can come to

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house republican leader kevin mccarthy now endorsing liz cheney's replacement even before wednesday's anticipated vote to oust her from the leadership post. the rebuke is a platant reminder of president trump's firm grip on republican leaders. >> as conference chair you have one of the most critical jobs as a messenger going forward. that's why we need a conference that's united and a conference chair that's delivering that message day in and day out. >> do you support elise stefanik for that job? >> yes, i do. >> joining me now from liz cheney's home state msnbc correspondent calipery in kasper, wyoming, hometown to the cheney family. cal, some voters are expressing support for her over the weekend

to you, but not on camera and certainly not at that pro-trump gun show where you sampled voters. . >> reporter: yeah. this was the up in arms gun show this week and we wanted to come to a red area and certainly we expected to get the sound that we did. keep in mind, six months ago you would have found support for liz cheney at this gun show. speaking out and voting against trump is the ultimate betrayal. >> i think liz cheney needs to go. >> she basically stabbed us in the back. >> traitor. wyoming traitor. >> what did she do that was -- that makes you say that? >> she's not standing her ground. what side is she supposed to be on? >> she betrayed the people of wyoming. >> she's supposed to be one of us. >> just get her out of there. she doesn't deserve this job. >> as you alluded to, andrea, all of those who identified as democrats here in kasper did not want to speak to us on camera. we did talk to some folks in

cheyenne on friday, interestingly enough. the big irony being that liberals and democrats here now find themselves supporting liz cheney. >> and it is an open primary. at least they can register day of and vote in the republican primary to help her out and we will come to that in 2022. thank you, calipery. a vocal -- including larry hogan on "meet the press" and congressman kinzinger. >> it bothers me that you have to swear fidelity to the dear leader or you get kicked out of the party. >> we're attacking members of our own party instead of focusing on solving problems. >> in the middle of this slow sink we have a band playing on the deck and as i've said, donald trump is running around trying to find women's clothing to get on the first lifeboat. >> joining me now, press

secretary to former president obama and michael steele and associate editor and columnist a.b. stoddard. what do you think of the infighting that we are seeing on the republican side? i guess, can democrats take advantage of this or what say you about liz cheney being booted most likely? ? we sort of expected this and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this is a truly remarkable moment for what was once called the republican party, and who has a more conservative voting record than the woman trying to replace her will be booted not because she isn't republican enough, but because she isn't trumpian enough and this might not have huge implications for 2022 where there will be a

smaller, more vocal republican electorate and it will have more outside implications for 2024 because it is hard to imagine anybody can run for president either with or without donald trump in a republican primary without pledging fidelity to him and denying that the election was done favorably and papering what happened on january the 6th and that's an incredible thing for the republican party to cast. >> and michael steele, i know you've been bemoaning this for quite some time and this is the most graphic example and i wanted to play adam kinzinger this past hour, what he had to say at the national press club about the republican colleagues repeating the donald trump lies. >> i truly, truly, emily, believe that maybe 10 of my fellow colleagues in the house believe that the election, maybe ten. i'm putting room in there for there probably just some people that are not really all that,

you know, high i.q.-ish on some things, i guess. >> michael steele, how would you put it? >> yeah. i think that nails it. there aren't a lot of i.q.s being named here and to eat your own so publicly and so violently the way they've gone after liz cheney. i have to give -- i think a.b. nailed it ten days ago on our air when she said there was no political space left for liz cheney looking ahead to where we are now, and i think that's exactly right. this writing has been on the wall for a while now, and the question for the party is, all right, so what are you saying to the country? >> 2022 will be a turnout

election for the base and do you believe donald trump? he said if they want a conference chair who will promote the message. the message is a lie. so can we just be honest about that? just say, look, we want someone who will stand up next to me and lie to the country about what happened on january 6th and what happened in november of 20 went and that's all we want and the fact that she wears a dress makes it better, but that's the bottom line, and i think we need to be honest about where this party is sinking to and the reality to pick up on a.b.'s point, there's no political life or maneuverability left in this party and that's where we are right now. >> it's a republican primary vote and a mid-term play, perhaps, but amy, where do they

go from here? >> when you talk to members about why liz cheney survived a no-confidence vote in january with a resounding margin and we weren't mad about impeachment and now she just insists on talking about this and you say isn't she telling the truth? that's fine. she can do that as a rank and file member like adam kinzinger and she cannot lead us being our message master as conference chair. what they don't realize and i wrote about this today and one member made this point is that this question won't go away. once she's purged from the party, you've purged a truthteller and you've purged from someone, you backed a liar and elevated someone who is willing to feed a big lie which elise stefanik is doing. it is as we were just describing, a short-term strategy where the party will

suffer long term as a result and what's so fascinating about what liz cheney has been doing is she made this choice months ago, knowing she would lose likely her leadership post and her district in wyoming. she was the one who organized the letter from all former ten living secretaries of defense published january 3rd about the military not being allowed to be involved in partisan electoral disputes and all of this stuff has been leaked in the last few days, by who? the world and allies of liz cheney and what that shows is she has nothing left to lose and she's not going to let this go. >> it's so interesting, indeed. robert gibbs, let's talk about president biden welcoming mitch mcconnell and others, president biden, excuse me, welcoming mitch mcconnell and others to the white house today just after mitch mcconnell has said that he's 100% dedicated to stopping the biden white house. so, you know, this is all going

to happen this week. what running room does the president have and how much should he wait for bipartisan support or does he need to because he's not going to have full, democratic support and he'll have to scale them back in any case? >> clearly, the clock is ticking and the white house is going to have to make a decision certainly sooner rather than later because the longer that this legislation creeps into past the august recess into labor day and past that the more likely this thing grinds to nowhere. i do think, though, the administration is smart in taking the temperature of republicans and seeing if they can't get something on a bipartisan basis, something that can show the american people that there are some things that people can agree on on both sides, and then taking the remainder of the infrastructure and the family plan and doing it via reconciliation. so i think they're making a smart political play. i think it will help them either in the short run get something

on a bipartisan basis or in the long run in showing that republicans don't really have anything involved in wanting to have a bipartisan agenda. i think you have to get caught trying in many ways if you're going to try to keep going through the reconciliation route. >> a great panel. thank you. we'll have to leave it there. coming up, that horrible school attack. afghan girls targeted in a bombing leaving at least 60 people dead. richard engel is in kabul with the latest of what's to come as u.s. troops are already withdrawing. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. repc claim your seventy five dollar credit, when you post your first job at indeed.com/home.

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today dozens of incredibly brave afghan girls are back in school after a horrific bombing killed at least 60 people this weekend, many of them teenage girl attending school. the taliban has not claimed responsibility for the attack, but the deadly incident mirrors a rise in attacks against afghans since president biden announced the u.s. troop withdrawal. richard engel has been in kabul as this community deals with the tragedy and the grief. >> reporter: the nurse held tarps to shade the bodies as they prayed for the fallen, many of them under 15. when i asked a group of mourners what they think will happen now as american troops leave, they all predict civil war and an

emboldened taliban. 21-year-old shaz ammann. >> the government cannot control the situation. >> richard engel in kabul and gail amman "new york times" best-selling author and her new book is "the daughters of kabani." richard, they're the first in a series of attacks and there have been attacks in the last weeks, months, even. as you spoke with those young students today, they are determined to keep going to school despite everything. >> they are, and across kabul, except for that one school that was bombed, children were back in classes today and there is a lingering fear here that is coming more and more to the surface this this country is on

the brink of this kind of civil war. >> american troops are leaving and nato troops are leaving and that means it is up to the afghan security forces. on their own they will still get some logistical support, but they will be getting it from afar to fight off the taliban and the taliban is not the same militant group that ruled this country 20 years ago they are much better and they've gotten better at their tactics and having fought the american forces and nato forces for so long. they are closing in. they already control half of this country as of right now. they don't control any of the big towns and cities, but in the villages and country side they have closed girls schools and re-imposing their will. u.s. troops would leave and in exchange the taliban would not engage in international

terrorism and would more or less change its ways, but it seems very much like as american troops leave the same old taliban is coming back with its same, old ways, and i think here in kabul they are worried that they are soon going to be arriving on the doorsteps of this city and this attack and others may have been by taliban and may have been by isis and certainly the result is the same, women and girls were targeted. >> yeah, and the taliban deal was not to attack -- not to do international terror, not to attack u.s. troop, but the case according to centcom, the pace of attacks against afghans is increasing. gail amman, you've lived there and written about it in your books. what is the hope for women and girls going forward? >> yeah, i would never lose hope because they don't, and i spoke last night and this morning to several folks who were part of

conversations that women are having, calling for the government to do more to protect women and girls and there is an organization among afghan women to figure out what comes next. the question is what can the u.s. do? there are two things that are really important. one is diplomacy. when i spent a lot of time in kabul university, an amazing research institution, you go back to the original documents when the taliban took kabul in 1996 and what they wanted is the united nations, and the international community has leveraged and i think there has to be a dialogue about what comes next. the second thing is that you really do see afghan women and girls calling for afghan security forces to be supportive and that is when i talk to a lot of activists, it's really important that the world doesn't forget us, that the world doesn't leave diplomatically and that our security services

continue to have support. how do you extinguish the brightest lights of the nation, you go after girls that would do anything to go to school. i spent a lot of time, and i was so emotional last evening and how determined those girls are and how determined their fathers and mothers were so they could have a good education to have a brighter future for their country. >> we have a little bit more, gayle, of some of richard's interviews and i wanted to play more of it, the determination and resilience is remarkable. >> that attack must have been frightening because they were trying to target girls just like you, but you're not stopping. you are here in school. >> we are strong girls and we will continue like that. >> richard, speak to that because you were there. you are seeing it up close. >> reporter: well, there's two

issues at stake. there is the younger generation of afghans who have grown up under american and international protection for the last 20 years. it hasn't been great in this violence and there's been violence and there's been corruption, but they have had opportunities like they never saw. in that one classroom where i was today, that one girl said she either wants to be a businesswoman or a doctor. next, she's 12. the girl next to her said she wants to be an astronaut and another girl says she wants to be a doctor and 20 years ago when the taliban was here, girls weren't allowed to have ambitions like that and now there is a concern that this country is backwards. those girls told me they're afraid and they don't want to lose the rights and they don't want to lose their dreams. so there is this generation here that is given loan dreaming of a different future and the legacy

of america's longest war ending and leaving this behind. >> indeed. my first visit to kabul was in 1998 under taliban rule and what we saw about the role of women was just horrifying and what the world doesn't want to see is a return to that. richard angle, gayle lemmon, thank you both so much. dr. fauci changing the mask mandates soon and it is depending on getting enough americans vaccinated. stay with us. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. reports" on msnbc. because it flexes no worries just always flexfoam ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99.

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those kinds of places, but to be in an office and in other places and to be in a restaurant. >> yeah. it's a really good question. >> right now what we're seeing is businesses having a very intense debate about how do we make office space safe and my feeling is that certainly, a lot of businesses are considering mandating vaccinations and if 90, 95% of their employees are vaccinated and that creates a safe place for people to return to without a mask and you have mostly vaccinated people or do you continue to require masking. we'll need one or the other, and i think a lot of businesses are thinking with vaccination mandates they can get rid of masks and they can't. >> it's fallen so much below the

supply that some are turning down doses to the federal government. >> yeah. this is actually a huge issue for us to be thinking about. right now we have way more supply than demand, and while i hope that demand will pick up again, we're seeing businesses step up with things like giving away free doughnuts and beers and stuff which i think will get some more people over the hump, we'll continue making vaccines and at this point the problem is we're trying to figure out where to store these vaccines that we're making at a high pace and we have to start thinking when do we start shifting those out to other countries and my hope is sooner rather than later. >> i want to talk about india because they're reporting 4,000 deaths each day. is there any sign that that is diminishing? >> yeah. first of all, andrea, i think that 4,000 deaths is a massive undercount. we've looked at this in a couple of different ways to try to make

estimates and my best guess is that probably closer to 25,000 indians are dying every day. just a horrific, horrific number. i think it's going to be like that for a while. if infection numbers can turn out, we may see in a month those numbers starting to turn and there is an immense of suffering baked in and we have a lot of work to do to turn this around in india. >> we're expecting a pfizer decision on 12 to 15-year-olds. how do we justify that? i know how important it is to families all over america to have their kids vaccinated, especially high school kids before school open, but are we doing enough for india? >> i don't think we're doing enough for the world or enough for india and the biden administrations will take steps and i always commend them for the work they're done and they have to do a lot more. >> the 12 to 15-year-olds make up a small number of people, and

total there are about 50 million kids in that age range, even if we end up vaccinating of this of them, that's not a huge deal. the bigger strategy for the biden administration has to be how do we ramp up vaccination doses to india. >> dr. ashish jha thank you very much as always. we have a special announcement on wednesday night. lawrence o'donnell sitting down with joe biden for a town hall event to discuss how to get every american vaccinated. he'll be joined by dr. anthony fauci, vivek murthy and the developer of the moderna vaccine all who will be answering questions at 10:00 eastern on msnbc. this just in from the white house, new developments on the cyber attack on the u.s. massive petroleum pipeline. in a statement released moments ago colonial pipeline says restoring our network to normal

operations is a process that requires the diligent remediation of our system and that takes time. that sentiment was echoed at at white house briefing moments ago. >> the president continues to be briefed on the incident and our work. colonial is currently working with its private cybersecurity consultants to assess potential damage and to determine when it is safe to bring the pipeline back online. thus far, colonial has told us that it has not suffered damage and can be brought back online relatively quickly and that safety is a priority given that it has never before taken the entire pipeline down. >> that was national security adviser liz sherwood randall which was former deputy energy secretary as well and a real expert on this. coming up next, the putin problem as russian forces remain on ukraine's eastern front. president biden's carrot and stick approach as he slaps sanctions and offers a summit. we'll talk to former ambassador

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hacking the u.s. but suggesting a summit this summer. he has defined his central mission as leading a contest between the world's democracies and the thread of authoritarians as modelled by china and russia. the administration's opening steps towards beijing and moscow have drawn the lines with new sanctions and steps to rally allies. here is what the president had to say to kelly o'donnell friday. >> are you concerned about vladimir putin amassing troops on the border of ukraine? do you see that as a message to you? could it impact your desire to have a one-on-one meeting? >> it does not impact my desire. he had more troops before. he has withdrawn. >> joining me is ambassador william taylor, former ambassador to ukraine, now at the institute of peace and a long record in foreign policy and a major witness in the first

impeachment. welcome, ambassador taylor. joe biden spent his first 100 days largely undoing foreign policy decisions made by the trump administration. what does he need to do to regain -- fully regain america's credibility with our allies and adversaries? >> thank you. it's great to be here. i think you are right. he is re-establishing the united states' role in the world. as you saw -- you were with him last week. in london and on the world stage in kiev where he is doing what he needs to do to re-establish the united states' role, our leadership. there you can see antony blinken. and the foreign minister, we see the foreign minister. the answer to your question is,

antony blinken representing president biden is on the stage, is doing what he needs to do, consulting with allies and then going to where the problems are. clearly, there's a problem in ukraine and clearly that's a different approach that the biden team is taking than the previous administration. >> notably, secretary blinken warned against the threat of the russian troops, security threat, but also corruption. corruption from the oligarchs, eating away at democracy from within ukraine, making it weaker, more vulnerable to putin. that's the same argument that then vice president biden made in ukraine some years ago. has anything improved? >> a lot has changed. a lot has even improved over the time. as you say, this is not a new problem. this problem goes back -- in fact, all the post soviet countries, russia in the lead, but other post soviet countries

as well have this problem of corruption. ukraine is no exception. it's been trying to deal with it for a long time. president zelensky is the latest. has made some progress. i think he has taken steps that suggest that there is a new way to deal with corruption. he famously came in saying, he is not here to fight corruption, he is here to defeat corruption. he is taking some -- he put people in place, some institutions that are trying to do that. there are challenges and you saw when you were there last week, there's some step backs. but the problem of corrupt oligarchs is making it harder. the first priority -- i think it's clear the first priority needs to be defending itself, defending ukraine's borders, sovereignty, structural integrity from the russians and to -- just like the united states, we need to be stronger

at home so we can be stronger abroad, that applies to ukraine as well. >> i wanted to play a little bit of former ambassador's speech about public service. >> i think public service is a privilege. i worked for the u.s. government, for the state department for about 33 years. the good, the bad and the ugly. i continue to believe that when you are working for your fellow americas, you are working for something bigger and better than yourself. >> can the foreign service be rebuilt after what happened under trump/pompeo? >> yes, it can be rebuilt. it is being rebuilt. i had the opportunity just a couple days ago to talk to foreign service officers who actually are getting ready to go out to kiev.

they are in language training. they are excited to go to a place where the secretary was just there. you and the secretary were there and they were watching that even as it took place. they are excited. i think they represent foreign service officers throughout the service and around the world who recognize that secretary blinken really does want to use diplomats, really wants to use diplomacy. you mentioned at the outset, the diplomatic efforts that president biden and secretary blinken have taken to keep putin from innovating ukraine. i think the foreign service is eager, excited. in answer to your question, it can rebuild. >> thanks so much, ambassador taylor. thanks to kasie hunt for helping out while i was in ukraine last week. that does it for us.

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