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report. this afternoon, the president defended his jobs record and promised to be fair, promised to be tough but fair. excuse me. >> the law is clear. if you are receiving unemployment benefits and you're offered a suitable job, you can't refuse that job and just keep getting the unemployment benefits. so we'll insist that the law is followed with respect to benefits, but we're not going to turn our backs on our fellow americans. 22 million people lost their jobs in this pandemic. >> on capitol hill, congresswoman elise stefanik is meeting with the freedom caulks in the bid to replace liz cheney as conference chair. this is the second time they sought to oust her. this time, party leadership is united behind her ouster. joining us to start coverage
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this hour, correspondent for pbs news hour and new moderator of kwoek washington week. and melanie sanoma. great to have you with us. melanie, i begin with you. stefanik is pledging if elected, would only serve as conference chair the remainder of this congress. what's the strategy with her meeting the house freedom caucus. is she playing down she was once a moderate republican and now a trump loyalist? >> this is just one of a number of assurances that she's making trying to lockdown support for leadership. while they expect her to pitch that position this week or next week, not everyone is sold on her. she was a moderate before transformed into a trump ally so
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there are concerns about her voting record and concerns that mccarthy boxed in members moving quickly to replace her with stefanik. i hear from the freedom caucus, let's take a pause and assess options. don't want to rush into things. her strategy is to say look, i'm not in this position more than the rest of this term. i am stepping in. i view myself as a place holder. i think that can alleviate some concerns on the right about her being quickly pushed into the job. >> it was a few months ago liz cheney got 69% of the vote in the last campaign. anyone would be happy with those numbers. won a vote to keep her spot in the gop leadership 145-61, overwhelming numbers. however, donald trump did better than her in the home state with 70% of the vote.
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since then, many colleagues turned against her. have her voters turned against her as well? >>. >> i think life comes at you fast. you talk about this area, it is trump country but cheney country. she's a legacy. it seems to be identity politics, seems to be giant betrayal. >> the big betrayal was her voting to impeach president trump. she's a republican, votes against the republican president, she's a traitor. she gets what she deserves. get run out of office. >> i don't know -- the state she's supposed to be standing up for, she didn't do her job to do. >> as long as she's in there, the republican party is not
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getting any more of my money. >> like a bad flu. >> what specifically? >> she doesn't represent us. >> all the more amazing when you consider that congresswoman cheney voted to back president trump more than 90% of the time when he was in office. the other fascinating thing about this is that she will stand for re-election in 18 months. she indicated she's going to do so. the question is how do the democrats vote, do they come to her backing. do they support her because she's best in their mind of two choices. >> incredible twist there. the interesting thing, liz cheney argues the republican party needs to face the truth about donald trump and she was upset during the recent house republican retreat that national congressman campaign staff left out a key finding about trump's weakness which was his unfavorable ratings were 15 points higher than favorable ones in core districts, and nearly twice as many voters had
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strong unfavorable view of the former president as had a strongly favorable one. what could it mean for both parties, given that they tied their fortunes to donald trump and he is under water in the polls. >> what it means and is clearly on the table, republicans are leaning into this strategy that worked for president trump once. one time in one election, president trump was able to build conspiracy theories, talk about things that weren't true, try to criminalize immigrants and that worked for him. in 2018, house democrats were able to win back the house. then you saw the president lose the presidency, former president trump lose in 2020. so republicans here are in some ways fighting to hold onto president trump because he has the power and has money and is
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able to fund raise. when it comes to elections in battleground areas, president trump is someone who a lot of voters based on polling have questions about and are troubled with. after january 6th, you see a country looking at president trump, saying you were a threat to democracy and republican party is following him down the trail. republicans make the bet that this politics of fear, politics of conspiracy theories will get them the ground swell in their base to be able to win elections. it is a best that could work. democrats on the other hand and some republicans like liz cheney are saying this is not the way forward, this will end badly. numbers should be a warning sign for republicans, not to follow the former president down the trail of lies. >> melanie, talk about liz cheney's allies a moment. she's one of ten republicans to
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vote to impeach donald trump earlier. illinois congressman kinzinger was another. here's what he had to say on cbs about cheney. >> liz cheney is saying exactly what kevin mccarthy said, the day of the insurrection. she's been consistently saying it. it is based on the titanic. we're like in the middle of the slow sink, we have a band playing on the deck, telling everybody it is fine, meanwhile as i said, donald trump is running around, trying to find women's clothing and get on the first lifeboat. a few of us are saying guys, this is not good. >> we have seen efforts to censure folks, but talk to us about what comes next for the broader ten house republicans who voted to impeach the president in their home states and districts. >> i have been talking to sources that are either part of a group of ten that voted to impeach or close to those members. what they're telling us is
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demoralizing to watch the consequences cheney is now suffering and it is sending a sign to the country and the party that if you speak out against trump, you'll be punished and there isn't room for critics in the party. what's notable, yes, you are hearing adam kinzinger, supporting cheney speaking his mind with trump and january 6th, but you haven't heard that from other members. they kept their heads down. some of them are actually advised to do that. they're worried about their own primaries and being censured, they're navigating what does it mean for our future. seeing the consequences that chain is about to suffer is going to have reverberations across the country. everything i heard from kevin mccarthy is that he is making the bet that he will be able to alleviate headaches, headlines, and going forward, able to have a more unified message. he is trying to sweep everything under the rug and it is a huge gamble and his majority hoping to win back the majority next
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year. >> talk about what it means for the white house. you have president biden going to make a concerted effort to find middle ground with republicans. as i mentioned, meeting with four congressional leaders i believe wednesday, then meets with republican senators the day after to talk about his infrastructure plan. realistically, how can the president negotiate with republicans when many in the party still don't believe he is a legitimate president and that the election was stolen. >> it is a great question. a key question to really pose now. white house press secretary answered a question related to that point, saying how can the president talk to republicans that are trying to the idea they said president biden won't get caught up in the intro speccingsings that he feels he
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wants bipartisan deals done. and that he is more concerned about making sure republicans have a deal or idea he can work with. second thing when i talk to sources at the white house, they understand this is also a distraction. president biden is talking about plans, talking about $6 trillion of spending, talking about improving people's lives, can point to the republicans and say this is what i am doing with my time, trying to get investment with the american people. and republicans are having a civil war, arguing over an election i won almost 110 days ago. what you see is he is trying to be bipartisan but i am busy and they're not. >> thanks to the three of you for starting us off. the white house is dealing with the aftermath of a ransomware attack that shutdown a major pipeline that carries half of the east coast fuel supply. colonial pipeline expects to have most of the 5500 mile
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pipeline network which runs from texas to new jersey back online by the end of the week. the fbi says the attack was carried out by a new russian criminal group known as dark side. a short moment ago, president biden was asked if russia is to blame for this. >> we have efforts under way with the fbi and doj, department of justice, to disrupt and prosecute ransomware criminals. so far, there's no evidence based on from our intelligence people that russia is involved. although there's evidence that the actors, ransomware is in russia. they have some responsibility to deal with this. >> joining us with more, nbc correspondent ken delaney that covers intelligence and national security for us. good to have you with us. walk us thu what we know about the group behind the attack, what the government can do to prevent these attacks in the future, if anything. >> good to be with you, ayman.
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according to cyber security experts, the group dark side developed a rather sophisticated approach to business of extortion. they have a website store front on the dark web where they have a consumer service line. they offer discounts to companies that pay ransom early and donate a portion of profits to charity. they released a statement saying they're not connected to any state and that they're in this for the money. what this underscores is how greatly vulnerable american infrastructure is to these attacks. and as to what can be done to stop them, there's many levels to this. one is cyber hygiene. a lot of questions whether colonial was doing everything it should have been doing to shore up networks. larger issue is that this russian criminal group essentially has sanctuary likely in russia. the russian state is not going after it, and they're out of the reach of u.s. law enforcement. as long as that situation persists, it will be difficult for the u.s. to deter these
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attacks. then, there's a question of whether there needs to be government regulations on private corporations that run american infrastructure to have basic cyber security hygiene. >> very important update for us. thank you. up next, several are dead after a back and forth firing of rockets in the middle east hours after 300 palestinians were injured in intense clashes with israeli police in jerusalem. we talk to rashida tlaib about rising tensions in the region. ut rising tensions in the region.
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we are following breaking news out of jerusalem. deaths are reported after a day of rising tension and violence. plaids were injured when they fired tear gas at a site for muslims. came as the city was bracing for a planned jewish nationalist march to commemorate jerusalem day. the day east jerusalem was illegally occupied in 1967. in response, they launched rockets towards jerusalem, forcing parliament to end the session and evacuate to shelters. defense spokesman counted 45 missiles fired, says the idf launched attacks on targets in gaza. the gaza health ministry says 20 people have been killed. joining me from london, msnbc
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foreign correspondent raf sanchez. walk us through the latest on the growing tensions in israel, jerusalem, gaza. >> reporter: this was always going to be a bloody day. it is turning into an escalating situation in israel and gaza. in the last hour, militant groups in the gaza strip continued to fire rockets into israel, israeli military is carrying out air strikes in gaza. israel is targeting hamas and other militant groups. the palestinian health ministry says 20 people are dead so far, including nine children. i have asked the israelis military about these reports of civilian casualties. these reports of civilians being killed. they have not yet come back to me. both sides are bracing for what could possibly be days of fighting here in gaza and
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israel. it may seem like this violence came out of nowhere, but tensions in jerusalem have been rising for weeks. one of the main drivers, the situation in the east jerusalem neighborhood of shake shara where a group is trying to get several dozen palestinian families evicted from their homes. settlers say their homes are built on lands that used to belong to jewish groups before 1948. the palestinian families say this is a systemic effort to try to push palestinians out of one of jerusalem's key neighborhoods. our team on the ground spoke earlier to an activist there who summarized the feeling in that city. take a listen. >> they feel they are humiliated and they are under -- you see
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how they deal with the palestinians. they arrest them. they shoot them. they want to control this. this is our month. they don't want to see a lot of palestinian inside the city and inside. >> reporter: today is also jerusalem day when tens of thousands of israeli nationalists were due to parade through the old city, commemorating israel's military victory in 1967 and the occupation of east jerusalem. you and i both covered this march before. it is often a frenzy of nationalism, a very tense day, and leaves many palestinians feeling frightened, humiliated. tensions have been building for some time. >> thank you for that update. joining me, democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib, a
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member of the oversight and reform committee. congresswoman, thank you for your time. i want your reaction to what we heard from raf sanchez on the situation in east jerusalem and developments generally playing out. >> this is an apartheid system, ayman. israeli's human rights organization declared it, human rights watch declared it. palestinians on the ground have been telling us for decades that they have been, homes have been demolished, they have been targeted, that violence has been met by israeli led forces under netanyahu's racist policies. what we're telling palestinians fighting apartheid is the same thing being told to my fellow black americans across our country here that are fighting against police brutality. there's no form of acceptable resistance to state violence except for the denial of
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people's human dignity. we need to stop and look at the fact that our own country is enabling it, billions of dollars being issued to israel, even though they promote racism and dehumanization. >> the white house national security national security adviser expressed the concerns over the violent confrontations in jerusalem. do you think the biden administration needs to take a stronger stance right now towards israel for the developments we're seeing there? >> absolutely. we need to hold the international human rights laws that are saying to our folks across the country that they have to abide by, why not israel. why not say to netanyahu currently who is running on anti-arab rhetoric consistently, accepting violence by allowing israeli police and military forces to side with israeli citizens who are literally physically throwing people out of their homes. u.s. taxpayer dollars shouldn't be used to commit human rights
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violations. that needs to be said. i have yet to hear anybody from the biden administration declare that, that our money will not be used to degrade, dehumanize and kill or evict people out of their homes. >> let's talk about the role of congress for a moment. members of your party have been critical on social media what the israeli government is doing to palestinians. do you think there's a bigger role for members of congress and certainly among american politicians to actually translate words we're seeing on social media to actual action on the ground? >> absolutely. we're going to see more and more of my colleagues. right now, 75% of them, over 300 of them did sign a letter to say we're going to support israel unconditionally, even though children are on the ground dying, we are seeing people stripped of their homes and human dignity. for me, this is personal. my mother grew up during occupation. my grandmother still lives there.
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i have seen, i have seen them going through check points, i have prayed with my grandmother at the mosque and you kneel down, you have nothing. you're praying to god and especially during holy month of ramadan, i can't express to my colleagues, speak up. we cannot allow this kind of direct attack using our own money. when are we going to speak up against this kind of brutality? enough is enough. >> allow me to switch topics while i have you. i want to ask about wednesday's hearing with former president trump's secretary and oversight committee which you're a member of, the hearings around the insurrection, what are some of the lingering questions you have. >> i think it is important for many of the folks listening. we saw what kind of presence there was of capitol police and militarization from black lives matter protests, civil rights
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protesters, those fighting for access to women's health care. we didn't see that kind of presence when it was clear that white supremist groups came to harm members of the congress, came to basically attack our demonstration. my question is why is there such lack of courage or political will within the agencies that seem to show up when folks that look like me protest against inequality, against police brutality and so much more, issues that are the ills of our society. when these folks are clear not only on social media but when they show up from erecting, hanging and saying they're going to lynch colleagues hunting down the speaker of the house, why wasn't there the same type of approach in the past again with people of color and others fighting maybe freedom access to health care or to saying enough with racial injustice of the country. for many of myself and
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colleagues, we asked the questions constantly why, why was there a difference. why wasn't there the same presence on january 6th. >> if we can talk about michigan politics, part of your district includes your home city of detroit. the police chief, a republican, announced he is retiring. he is expected to launch a challenge to democratic governor gretchen whitmer up for re-election next year. he is running as a republican obviously. he has been critical of your statements on policing issues across the country. what do you make of his potential candidacy? >> i had deep disagreements with the chief and he knows it. so many constituents i serve have said the same thing, from spending millions, millions of dollars on racist facial recognition technology to brutalizing people who are exercising first amendment right to proclaim black lives do indeed matter in our country. no matter his next moves, he is going to have to answer why he took those actions, why after
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spending all those resources, our resources on overpolicing and broken racist technology do people continue to feel unsafe in the city i represent. i hope this creates a conversation, not only nationally but also right here at home in the city of detroit about what it does feel like to feel safe in our communities because what we experienced in the last eight years under his leadership is detroit police department chief that will go towards fox news or right wing talking points versus to hearing constituents and residents who are saying we feel unsafe. >> thank you so much for your time. greatly appreciate your insights as always. next. as the republican led audit of ballots in arizona continues, local law enforcement calls auditor demands mind numbingly reckless and irresponsible. we talk to an elections observer that got a close up look at the operation. you're watching msnbc. n. you're watching msnbc. i need indeed
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they say providing routers could show classified equipment and is mind numbingly reckless and irresponsible. you recently visited as a court ordered outside inspector. great to have you with us. from your perspective, what you have seen, what is the point of the audit? >> the point doesn't have to do with election integrity based on procedures i witnessed. the procedures are drastically different from professional and effective procedures in use across the country by election officials. for instance, when counters are supposed to count ballots, the ballot is placed on a spinning turn table. ballot counters are tasked with watching that ballot as it
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whizes by, checking for marks for two races, marking the tally she accurate lip before the next ballot comes whizzing by them. it also allows for multiple instances where the counters' tally sheets don't match. in a normal post election procedure where you are reviewing individual ballots, there would be a fair bipartisan official that agreed on how to count individual ballots. that's not what we're seeing at the colosseum. that's another concern along with the fact they continue to change the procedures that are in use. >> in response to a letter outlining concerns some of which you documented there about the audit from the justice department, senate president said plans to directly contact voters about their ballots were being indefinitely deferred. how much is process and execution of the audit a break from the norm.
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you were touching on that a little. how much does this deviate from what is standard operating procedure? >> deviates drastically. from the very beginning of the process where senate basically forced local trusted election officials to hand over $2.1 million, voting machines and other election material that they had been responsible for serving custodian for in maricopa county, means the material is kept in a locked vault, kept under 24 hour a day surveillance. from the moment they transferred possession to the senate, the ballots have been subjected to loss, damage, and other concerns. when they first moved into the colosseum, they did not properly secure the facility. there were local reporters on the ground that accessed the colosseum multiple days without anyone asking them who they were, if they had appropriate credentials, and at least one
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local arizona reporter was able to film in the colosseum in what looks like feet away from unguarded pallets of ballots. >> "the washington post" reports trump is obsessed with the recount, saying he talks about it constantly, asking for umts several times a day, has become fixated on the uv lights used to inspect ballots. do you think the senate is dressing up partisan activity in the guise of legitimate inspections? >> certainly think this is an attempt to take over elections and usurp authority from our trusted local election officials, and our big concern is that this is just a prime example of what we have been seeing across the country. state legislators on a partisan basis are peeling back authority that's been traditionally invest in local election officials, pulling it to the state where they can make decisions about
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our elections and outcomes on a partisan basis. >> all right. elizabeth howard, thank you for the insights. greatly appreciate it. new york stock exchange adjusts covid protocols, allowing more traders on the floor. ali velshi joins us live with an update next. that's coming up. you're watching msnbc. that's coming up you're watching msnbc. yep. the american cancer society recommends screening starting at age 45, instead of 50, since colon cancer is increasing in younger adults. i'm cologuard®. i'm convenient and find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages. i'm for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider if cologuard is right for you.
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government to decrease number of doses they're set to receive this week as interest in shots declines. the administration says it will redirect extra doses to states where demand for doses hasn't dropped off. after they emphasized importance of indoor masking, dr. anthony fauci says rules need to be more liberal as more americans get vaccinated. and just last hour, president biden delivered remarks on the economy, cautioning while we are headed the right direction, the road to recovery is not an easy one. >> we are moving in the right direction. let's be clear. our economic plan is working. i never said and no serious analyst ever suggested that climbing out of the deep, deep hole the economy was in would be simple, easy, immediate, or perfectly steady. >> the new york stock exchange relaxed some covid-19 restrictions. they closed the trading floor
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back in march last year, two months later in may trading floor was partially reopened. but as fully vaccinated traders and media return to the floor, some view it as a sign of return to normalcy at least in the business world. joining me from outside new york stock exchange, msnbc anchor, ali velshi, that airs weekend mornings on msnbc. good to have you with us. talk to us about what this means. what does loosening of restrictions look like, what does it mean for traders? >> reporter: what it will look like is 10 or 15 minutes, you'll see more people coming out of the building than you've seen the last year. the stock exchange closed march 23rd, 2020. opened back up may of 2020 at reduced capacity. some people were allowed in. more and more in the course of the last year. fundamentally what changed is the stock exchange announced if you're fully vaccinated, you can come in, eat lunch, take your
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mask off, sit six feet from someone else, if you work for a company, trading company where all of the floor staff is vaccinated, 100 people are vaccinated, you can increase head counts. we are running at 50% of traders normally there. we are moving it up to 100% eligible if vaccinated. media will be allowed back in. haven't worked it out yet. we're still outside and they're inside. there's a lot of jubilation. on one hand, it is symbolic. trading is done by electronic means. but it is symbolic. people are getting back to work, in decktive of larger corporate america, things are becoming more normal. the other part of the celebration is markets have been on fire a long time. there's jubilation that the economy is starting to get back to normal as the president talked about. you combine those two things, you have a better day. not everybody back to work, but they're going to start coming back to work here at the new york stock exchange.
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>> thank you for that update. as the u.s. withdraws troops from afghanistan, extremists bomb a school in kabul, killing more than 50 girls. many fear similar attacks in coming months. we talk with one of the most respected voices not currently serving in government, former undersecretary of defense, michele flournoy joins us on afghanistan and the national security challenges ahead. a check on the markets ali talked about before trading closes. the dow jumped more than 300 points at one point to another record in gains in energy stocks. sell off in big tech dragged the nasdaq down 2%. you're watching msnbc. i'm searching for info on options trading, and look, it feels like i'm just wasting time. that's why td ameritrade designed a first-of-its-kind, personalized education center. oh. their award-winning content is tailored to fit your investing goals and interests.
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cowardly attack. islamic radicals bombed a girls school just as students were heading home. they were laid to rest in a single mass grave. so many victims, health officials say more than 50 school girls that were the reas targeted is because they were girls trying to go to school. the mourners held tarps to shade the bodies. as they prayed for the fallen. many of them under 15. when i asked a group of mourner what is they think will happen now as american troops leave they all predict civil war and an emboldened taliban. this is a medical student. >> americans should not liver here. they're good for afghanistan. the government kapt control the situation. >> reporter: families came to look in horror as the blood stained books, shoes and clothing they dropped as they ran from the explosion. the taliban denied
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responsibility for the attack and issued a statement saying they have nothing to fear when they soon take over. the militants believe allowing girls to learn a profession is against islam. but everyone burying their daughters is muslim, too. and in chalked by the graves they wrote a defiant word. education. richard engel, nbc news, kabul. >> our thanks for that powerful report. joining me is michelle flournoy. former u.s. undersecretary of defense in the obama administration. do you believe based on what we just saw there it's a wise choice for the u.s. to leave afghanistan later this year by september 11th? >> this is a tragic and heart breaking attack but unfortunately i think we are going to see more such attacks. the taliban is feeling
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emboldened with the announcement of the u.s. withdrawal and the international forces withdrawal. i do think there's a very heightened risk of returning to civil war. i think what we have to do is make clear to the taliban that if they want to have any part in governing afghanistan in the future they will need the support of the international community and that support will not be forthcoming if this is the attacks they're launching so i would like to see a strong oefrt to help them understand that these kind of attacks cannot continue. if they expect to be receiving any assistance for afghanistan in the future. >> you have written that the u.s. needs to do more than shift. what does it need to shift do you think? >> i do think we are now in a different period than we were
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post-9/11. we have had 20 years of dealing with counter terrorism in pakistan and afghanistan and the challenge is rise of competition. with a rising china but also with russia under vladimir putin so the u.s. policy has to shift towards how do we deter conflict with those great powers who are nuclear armed states? that has to be a new focus for the military. we are talking the talk. you hear that from various officials but the pentagon really isn't walking the walk, not fast and fully enough. >> there's a dimension of what we saw with the oil pipeline, the country's largest that's still down after friday's cyber attack. you wrote when great power rivals look at the u.s. they see
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vulnerability. how much alarm should this raise? when it comes to cyber attacks are we just like everyone else, just as vulnerable? >> we are still too vulnerable to cyber attacks and so much of the critical infrastructure is held in the private sector. and so we need to do a much better job of public/private partnership with government and tri to share both threat intelligence and best practices for cyber defense why you can't just build a strong perimeter but assume they can get inside the networks and we need cyber security measures to catch them as quickly as possible before they launch a ransomware attack like this. these guys seem to be russian backed criminals. not the state itself but we'll see and this is a real problem and the critical infrastructure
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is too vulnerable so this is something where we need to put a lot more attention and frankly resources going forward. >> when you look at where we are right now and where we need to be how does u.s. military recruiting play into the readiness for the threats? >> we have to do a better job of recruiting tech talent. the talent that understands the digital world, emerging technologies that make the difference to be successful in deter and prevent war and invest, make bigger bets for key technologies to make the difference. things like cyber security and artificial intelligence, bio tech and directed energy. a whole host of technologies to define the future for the ability to deter adversaries in
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the future. >> how would you rate how the biden administration is doing so far to prioritize defenses? >> i think they're doing all the right things starting with investing in the competitiveness here at home. recovering from covid. getting the economy moving again. reinvesting in the alliance relationship which is are a huge source of advantage but i would like to see them flesh out in more detail the plan to how to actually have been v a more robust deterrence posture in the future and the capabilities we need for that. >> thank you. >> great. that wraps up for me. "deadline: white house" starts after this quick break. break it's a scramble.
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