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>> it's to fund coming back to school. >> and if free beer gets you going, go for it, on a somewhat sort of related note. president biden sits down with our own colleague lawrence o'donnell with a special townhall, vaccinating america wednesday, 10:00 p.m. eastern we encourage you to check it out here on msnbc, up next is "the reid out,". >> good evening everyone and we begin tonight with the anti-democratic soul of the republican party. they tell us a lot about the future of that party and our democracy itself, on wednesday, it's expected that house republicans will vote to remove wyoming congressman liz cheney from party leadership for telling the truth in the face of a disgraced former president's big lie. what is left of the formerly grand old party has made it
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clear that the big lie is its only degree organizing principal. a day after endorsing new york congresswoman elis stefanik as cheney's replacement, the republican leader of the house said to the party, said unfortunately each day spent relitigating the past is one day less we have to seize the future. this is as his party is currently relitigating the 2020 election in arizona for the umpteenth time and he is looking to oust cheney after it was what he said is, and mccarthy is turn tail to follow his party off the cliff in to the maga abyss, ven as the few rational left are comparing that are party to the titanic. >> we are like in the middle of this slow sinsink, we have a ba playing on the deck telling everyone it's fine and donald trump is running around trying
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to find women's clothing and get on the first life boat. >> it bothers me that you have to swear fealty to the dear leader. we are attacking members of our own party instead of focusing on solving problems. >> it's still donald trump's party, it shows that you have to more or less as everyone is pointing out, you sort of have to be a lie to qualify, you have to lie to qualify to be a republican. >> unlike the supposed house leader that does need to be in scare quotes right now, liz cheney has been consistent about two things. the first being a die to the wheel right winger. a black lives matter opposing republican and the second, actually thinking we should have a democracy. well the rest of the gop continues its decent to the point of even misleading their own members. the washington post reports that at a retreat in april, when staff rose to explain the
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battleground districts, they left out a finding about trump's weakness and unfavorable rating were 15 points higher than his favorable ones in the core districts. the report adds that cheney was alarmed since republican campaign officials similarly left out bad trump polling news at a retreat in march. demonstrating the party's willingness to hide the truth about the former president at the peril of its own members who have to face re-election based on that data. the fact is liz cheney has already lost the war to a party that does doesn't believe in democracy, but rather only bending the knee to a failed president and it's clear that mccarthy is not leading the party. okay, so who is? >> that person should not be the spokes person of the republican party. we knew that then and i'm glad our colleagues have caught up. maybe we are the leaders, marjorie. [ cheers and applause ] >> they follow us. >> yeah, there you go.
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matt gaetz facing an investigation in to whether he sex trafficked a 17-year-old kid. and margie q green, who believes jewish space lasers caused california wildfires, welcome to your new freak fest of a republican party. let's be clear the freaks are who would hold power if they ever get control of the senate, the house or the white house again any time soon. kevin mccarthy, kevin mccarthy is not a leader. he served trump and he serves them. joining me now are olivia troy, director of the republican accountability project and former senior aide on the white house coronavirus task force and jason johnson, professor at morgan state university. you wrote a piece where republicans are counting on lies and brute force to win elections like in 2020. their plan is change the subject and hope the other party holds
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their party to a higher standard and it's effective. the fact that you think it's a potential path back to power is frightening for a lot of reasons. not least of which means donald trump would be running the house of representatives if kevin mccarthy gets back in. he is just a puppet. but, what does it say about republican voters if that's effective? >> well, it's concerning, i think it says trumpism has a hold of the country right now, and i think it's fundamentally what is a horrifying and scary prospect. we see what trumpism does. it creates deviciveness and a rise in domestic terrorism under this era and it's fundamentally dangerous and it's fully under mining of our democracy and that is why this in is so upsetting what happened with liz ceney and the bad actor ones claiming
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to be leaders. what they are doing, they are not just fighting within the republican party, they are actively destroying the fundamentals of our depauk -- >> it is, it is, you know, odd that neoconservatives used to be concerned with spreading democracy in the middle east and now they have to do it at home because our party does not believe in it. it's beyond dangerous, it's a are freak show. it's not a serious thing, it's a freak show. this is cut one, a sampling of what the republican party fundamentally looks like right now. take a listen. >> i feel that too many on the left are comfortable with you lies and half truths. let me tell you one thing, i am sick of it. >> is he a legitimate president as -- has our democracy held or do you believe in that? >> you i think joe biden is our
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president. >> uses the word, legitimately. >> terry. joe biden is the president of the united states. >> who is running this country? >> who? >> because when i look up there on the white house, i don't see no snipers on the white house. >> did anyone in here vote for joe biden. do you guys really think he won? >> jason johnson, the process of the freak show being in charge of, you know, baby-sitting my cat, let alone being in charge of the house of representatives is terrifying to me , your thoughts. >> yeah, but here's the thing, joy, this is where your conspiracy nonsense gets to. it's the thing that liz cheney and other people talked about birtherism, it's a crowd of people that said, i never west to the moon so how do i know it's not made of green cheese. it's what democrats need to understand, it's a good and bad
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thing heading in to next year. everyone who is out there now, whether it's mccarthy, or whether it's this crazy carnival with matt gaetz and marjorie taylor green. joirks their they are all cover bands. their cover bands. that ain't the real show, it's a-marie, it's not beyonce, it's not trump. if he is not on the ballot, i love yacht rock, you cannot keep putting out all the fake trumpers and think it's going to work. and the reason we know it doesn't is what happened in georgia. if trump is not on the ballot, a red state gives you two democratic voters. it's not the crazies going forward, it's the legislation to surpress the vote. they know the crazy does not get voters so it's voter suppression that is what they are pushing forward. >> it's a very good point. and all the a-marie fans, don't listen to jason johnson, don't at me,@dr. jason johnson,
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a-marie fans i like her music. here is donald trump and he talks about who, who he says is, is taking back the house of representatives. take a listen. >> i think we have a really good chance of working with everybody, including kevin mccarthy on taking back the house. >> so, the implication there olivia is what jason said, they understand republicans. they have no sway over the elector ate. only the jim jones of the party does, only jim jones can hand you the can kool-aid, they are saying don't worry he will be in charge of the house. he is not an elect willed official, but isn't it true that if kevin mccarthy were to be speaker, he would not be nancy pelosi who is a boss. he would be the servant of the guy we just saw there, the retiree, he would be the servant.
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right? >> 100%. you saw him come out after january 6 and come out and condemn and right after it whitewashes it and goes back to falling in line. that's what you will get and that is why mccarthy should not be speaker. he should not be running anything. he should be out of office. all of the people are unfit to be in office. they have no integrity. they are not trying to govern in a country. her not pushing policy. right? it's just grievances and now it's lies. that is the republican party's platform right now. when you are pushing someone out, like liz cheney, a true conservative by any definition of the word, right? that is who she is. and you are replacing her in a matter where people who are liars that are rising in the party, it's showing where the platform is. i'm holding to hope, that the voters see it for what it is and there's a group of former republicanand moderate republicans who are not okay with it and will walk away.
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if it leads to the a blue wave across the country, rightly so, the gop deserves it, they have have destroyed themselves. >> i am not bearish as others are. i am not as bearish on it. i know some regular order republicans of the other type that just care about tax can cuts and the freak show that i showed you earlier, they are embarrassed by. they find that embarrassing and the idea that their not getting trump now. they are saying you are just going to get that. mitt romney said expelling liz will cheney will not gain a vote but cost us quite a few. i wonder if those people may not have a big constituentsy but they may have a little one who will say, i like larry hogan but
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i don't like trump. >> i agree, 2022 is way off. we have a lot of elections between now and then, special elections. the fact of the matter is, the republican party, their only chance of winning next year is through voter suppression. at the end of the day, they don't have a leader and they don't have a message. and unless joe biden manages to ruin the country in the next 18 months and i find that highly unlikely, vice president harriss is helping as well. they don't have anything to create backlash, there's no affordable care act to get mad at. all they have is this crazy cavalcade, i don't think their chances are good in 2022, not if the economy keeps picking up. >> if republicans were confident. ron desantis would hold the he election. they need to keep the seat open, it's attrition of voters, take
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voters off the table. they can only win by subtraction and that also scares me because that means there's nothing they would not do to surpress the vote. how worried should we be about how far they are willing to go to steal elections. they know they cannot win them straight up. >> well, fundmentlially that is what you are seeing right now, like, they are not living in the past. they don't acknowledge that biden is president. we have republican voters who, you know, have registered republican and they don't see biden as a legitimate president. it's scary when you see the polling on that. it makes us look like a banana republic at this point. and i honestly think it's going to take all of us, we are going have to unite and stand against maga together. whether it's republicans to the right, we have to come together and counter this. >> it's like there's two parties, jason, the shots and checks party, and there's the freaks.
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that, that seems like a simple message for me for democrats. it's shots and checks, freaks. your thoughts? >> we, yeah, i mean, it's beyond freaks. look, i mean, all i have to say is cyber ninja, republicans in arizona have put a recount in the name of something that should be like my 14-year-old nephews name online. they take cyber ninja seriously. the democratic party, this is theirs to lose. you are running against a party of insurrectionists, and nonpolicy. that is it. if you can't sell it under those circumstances then you don't deserve to stay in power. like i don't see how the represent are can party turns it around any time soon. they tried, you know, they tried with tim scott, they will try with desantis, neither of them has as much charisma as the average insurance salesmen. until tucker decides that he wants to run for president, they don't have anybody to bring you to the tv. >> i am saying, jason, i'm glad
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i'm not alone in this, and olivia i'm glad i'm not alone in thinking like this. if they thought they were in a good position, they would not lie to their own members about the polling data. if they thought they were in good spot, they would telly the truth about the polling numbers. >> exactly. >> thank you both very much. up next, the madness, the madness of arizona's never ending election audit. what happens? this is serious, what happens if the republican party simply decides that it just won't accept the results of any elections that they lose? plus, the terrifying prospect of american oil pipelines or even the power grid being held for ransom. a russian criminal group exposes america's aging and vulnerable infrastructure and tonight's worst, the dangerous dishonesty from the right. brain washing their followers in to fearing the covid vaccine. "the reid out," continues after this . r this .
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democracy is a fragile thing protected by the will of the people and who we the people elect. democracy has always been fragile, cobbled together by rich men who talked about liberty but in real life were hell bent on denying women and poor people and immigrants access to the ballot box, much of the voter suppression and gerrymandering were the mix of the blatant and the subtle and now days it's all out in the open, i mean, wide open. with cameras running on the bogus audit of the 2020 election, run by affirm who's ceo has promoted the big lie, every day it goes on s another day of anti-democratic partisan exercise, it's normalized, setting a dangerous precedent for future elections. forcing this question, posed by david at kins in the washington monthly.
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what happens when republicans simply refuse to certify democratic wins? it's an uncomfortable question. down right scare if i you think about it. i mean, what happens ? let's say next year, say, a republican candidate for florida governor loses and simply decides no, no, i'm not leaving. we will keep counting again and again until i win or i will just say i won and stay. or what happens in 2024, if president biden is re-elected only for a state legislature in a republican led state to say no, no, i don't think so and throw out the votes and send trumps or whichever of his freaks or minions, send that to the electoral college instead of bidens at that point is america a democracy anymore? joining me now is grant woods, who became a democrat in trump's presidency. and mr. woods, this is what keeps people like me up at night.
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the idea that we are getting closer and closer to the point where republicans are saying, you know what? we are not doing a good job winning elections so you know what? we don't lose, we just won't lose anymore. we will say, we are not going to count the votes and prevent people from voting and if they manage to jump through the hoops we will throw them out or recount until we win. that is not democracy, are you worried that that is where your former party is headed? >> yeah, i'm worried about it, it's a big picture here. politicians think exclusively in the short-term, meaning the next election and i think when they look to 2022, they saw that they don't have enough time really to change the direction of where things are going in the country. which is them losing in popular races across the country. and so, it was, they came up with this effort to surpress the vote to go to the legislatures in state after state after state
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and let's just stop these people from voting who are now voting in numbers like we have not seen before. which is primarily people of color, and it's, it's urban areas. places where they couldn't make the gains. some -- i just thought of something, joy, when you were talking there, back when i was attorney general, we -- justice briar been in office one year and we, a couple of us got to talk with him and we said, hey, what, anything surprise you in this last year? and he had an entering answer, he said, you know, what kind of surprised me is we come out with an opinion and everybody follows it. that's just the way it is. because -- >> yeah. >> because, for now, they don't have are to, it doesn't have to be that way, in other places interest other countries she, who have things going on, they don't follow the election.
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it's fragile, that is why as ridiculous ask this arizona situation is, with, you know, cyber ninjas and they are checking, they are literally last week checking the ballots to see if there was bamboo in them because they had some rumorer that chinese people had dropped a ballot, a bunch of biden ballots. as ridiculous as it is, it is serious is. because -- >> it is. >> -- while you are surpressing the vote or trying to across the country, you are instilling, in people across the country, a distrust of the whole election process. >> there was a saying that if republicans cannot win by democracy, they will not lose faith in their belief system, they will lose faith in the system. and they arer saying unless we always win. then we don't want voting. we just want to be installed in office. there's a piece of this audit that is, that a lot of it is
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scary. but the state senate now is now demanding certain routers or copies of the routers. the senate is demanding that certain administrative passwords to vote machines that county officials claim they don't have be turned over to the private company. as a former attorney general, what do you make of the idea that the state legislature has turned over private data and maybe now even passwords, administrative passwords to a private company run by a conspiracy theorist? ? it's outrageous and again, in so many instances we saw with issues that conservatives supposedly believed over the last four years that they are willing to just throw away, and in the hopes of staying in power, we see here, we think they would not want government giving away their private information, allowing people to do with it what they want. fortunately we do have a sheriff in maricopa county, we got rid
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of the racist sheriff. we a sheriff that was just re-elected and he is sounding the alarm bell saying hey, this is terrible. there's so much information about the criminal justice system, about people in it, about individual voters, i'm for -- it's not right, and if these people were serious about it, and this is what i kind of hope, it probably won't happen. the republican senators i hope they will kind of say, you know, this has gotten out of control. and let's just stop it. let's pull it back. and if they won't do it, which is likely, then the justice department needs to step in, and i do call for this justice department, which is, we have great people at the top now. from merrick garland down, it's time to step in. it's a serious thing and no joke what is going in arizona. ? you are absolutely right. and i would say, well, maybe the
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voters of arizona should vote out the people doing this. but there's nothing that i have seen that would make me believe that they would leave if they were voted out. will they say, now, i don't believe that i lost and therefore i won and therefore, no i'm not leaving. it's a very scary path. grant woods thank you so much. >> if i was still in there, we would haul them out. >> there you go. >> you can get the next ag and get them to haul them out. if they will not leave, we will get them out. ? i appreciate you saying that. former arizona attorney general, grant woods, thank you very much. meanwhile a massive cyber attack on an american pipeline, exposes vulnerabilities in the outdated infrastructure and now we are learning more about the group that launched the attack. don't go anywhere. nywhere.
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♪ ♪ a major fuel artery in the country remains shut down, following one of the worst cyber attacks on our critical infrastructure on friday. the fbi has confirmed the perpetrator of the attack was a russian group, that tried to extort the pipeline company. that pipeline runs 5,000 miles from texas to new jersey, transporting 1 million of gallons a day. that is 45% of the east coast's total fuel supply. they are working to substantially restores is service by friday, but it remains -- if it is shut down honger the disruption could be more significant. now, while there's no evidence that the russian cyber criminals are connected to the russian government itself, president biden said that vladimir putin still has a responsibility to respond to the threat coming from within his country. >> i'm going to be meeting with president putin and so par,
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there's no evidence based on, from our intelligence people, that russia is involved. although, that there's evidence that the actors, ransomware is in russia and they have some responsibility on deal with this. thank you. >> we know that energy facilities have know been hacked by the kremlin itself, after a breech in 2017, russia could have shut power plants off at will. it's a frightening reminder of how easily oured a investigator sa -- our adversaries can create havoc, right now, we have malcolm nance, counterterrorism analyst. you spoke about our producers saying this is one of your worst nightmares come to life. this ransomware, it's coded to
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not work against computers where the russian language or other eastern europe eastern language can a default, so it's good at attacking you are ones. describe why it's the worst nightmare and what is the biggest darkest worst case scenario. >> what is interesting about this, security colleagues and i have talked about the worst nightmare would be nation state operatives is taking over critical infrastructure. what happened here is this group said they are not nation state, they are a for profit enterprise, and a cyber criminal organization, and this is the worst case scenario that i can imagine happening. what is interesting to me, i saw the reports and in looking at
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the dark web and the open web on kind of how they promoted themselves, that has been reported and what i find interesting about that is, there's a couple of plausible reasons, and it's perhaps they are patriotic and they don't want to attack their own country. and perhaps they are several degrees of separation of their training and their side hustle is this, and they could be afraid if they attacked russian organizations that the power of the russian government would come after them. >> you know o the patrioticing front, malcolm, we know something like 33 russians were indicted, you know, the muller report talked about the dozens of people who were involved in in hacking our ehekz and going after our eelection in 2016. there were indictments came from that. vladimir putin called that patriotic.
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what do you make of this? what are the degrees of separation of cyber criminals at work trying to extort whole regions saying if you don't give us the money we will turn off your lights and the russian operations that are official. >> to putin, mission that harms the united states is patriotic to him. you have to remember this happened before. when russia went to war against estonia and it was launched by cyber vigilantes, that shut down the country's internet. but they believe also that the russian military intelligence service followed that up. pretending to be cyber criminals and vigilantes, in vladimir putin's russia anything that is done in cyber, anything done with criminals, i mean, it's the man who bought the mafia under control, has a link to the kremlin himself. he is not going to allow this to
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happen where people are raking in hundreds of millions dollars by about turning hospitals in to bricks and not know what is going on, or making sure it does not affect them. one other thing that i would like to point out, this could have been worse. it could still excuse me, become worse. the irnians did it to saudi arabia, they attacked their oil company with a virus. that virus took down 30,000 computers. but it was intended to cause sabotage and explosions through the pipeline system. for now, the people have exposed themselves to the entire might of the united states and the world, and we will have to see how it plays out. >> this all scares the heck out of me. the biden administration proposed $2 trillion, malcolm, get water we need you. so, get some water. you know, they proposed like this $2 trillion infrastructure
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bill and have not included cybersecurity as part of the menu that they have put together there. number one, it sounds like they should. what do we do to secure our infrastructure given how old and aged so much of it is? >> you are right about that, joy. and what is interesting is, when we talk to businesses or organizations in critical infrastructure, and we talk to them about pro active measures, it does require writing a check. when they go through an incident like this, and they are trying to recover, it requires writing a check. this is one of the areas where we have to have a team sport approach to this. and so, i would love to see as part of infrastructure some type of, you know, an opportunity where law enforcement, department of homeland security and others can come together to provide more pro active services as well ask a rapid response team. so, for example, with ransomware, what if we had the best and brightest in the
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country working on encryption keys, what if there was a rapid response team that could provide decryption keys if they did get through. i have pa faithity in the innovation that we can do. and i give the biden administration high marks in their response so far. >> i don't have faith that we have a bipartisan will to stand up against russia. the former president was enamored with putin's russia and they are trying to recreate it saying yeah, an election happened that is cute, i don't have to listen to it and nobody can vote me out. i worry that we will not have the will on the other side of the aisle to stand up to it. do you worry about that? >> well, that's a possibility.
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but now, we are talking something that represent are cans really understand. we are talking money. and we are talking money in an enormouses industry sector which affects each and every aspect of their lives. so, if they intend to keep driving around in their monster trucks all over south carolina and alabama or where you call it, and still have gas down there at $2.75 as opposed to $3.90 a gallon in the northeast. they have to understand that cybersecurity is infrastructure security. and that entire process of bringing an oil company or other companies that extend to them, including oil fields and other support services that are carried out in their part of the world, by the way, especially on the gulf coast, they are vulnerable. and if that means that the united states development can help them upgrade all of their computers, upgrade their cybersecurity, work in a
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public/private partnership with the united states government to head these things off and one other thing really quick, we don't educate the american public to any of us. a psa describing what ransomware is so hospital administrators can recognize they should not click on a link is the single simplest thing we can do. we did it for communism and let's do it for cyber warfare. >> and i don't think that people understand how old our infrastructure is. i don't think americans fully appreciate unless you travel and see that other countries have super trains, and we have rickety old systems and texas is on its own bloody grid that can just be, an ice storm can take it out. if you could spend, any way money you wanted, what would be the one thing you would want to see in place, to upgrade us, teresa? >> i would love to see us do sort of a pro active way of out ing a technology container
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around this aging infrastructure so that when it does talk to things on the internet, it's containerized, so that way, that is not the weakest link in the eco system that allows the cyber attacks to happen. they are being connected to the internet and they were not built to be connected to the internet. >> and they are probably being connected to the internet through an old windows, it's scary. thank you both very much. and up next, scary, right? but scary is caring, scary is caring. sketchy claims from fox news hosts. well that is nothing new. but when a u.s. senator doubles down on disinformation about vaccine safety, that puts him in the running for tonight's absolute worst. we will be right back. we will be right back. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪
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for children, age 12-15, which could have a dramatic positive effect of the start of school this fall. the number of fully vaccinated americans is growing but there's a vaccine disinformation crisis, some on the right have turned to a new conspiracy theory saying an alarming number of people are dieing from the vaccine. >> you take this with a grain of salt, but according to the vaers system, we are looking at over 3,000 deaths of the vaccine on day one or two. >> what is happening now, is not even on closes to normal, it's not even close to what we see in previous years with previous vaccines. most vaccines are not accused of killing large numbers of people. >> okay, so let's back up a second okay. both you can the and johnson, first of all, they never said anything about death. they never cared about dt death before and they are siting data
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from the vaers system, where anyone can submit a claim that someone died after receiving the vaccine. so it's not the most accurate system as both pointed out. let's entertain that the numbers are true. as aaron blake points out in the washington post, just because someone died after getting the vaccine doesn't mean they died because of the vaccine. there's one piece of information that is clear. which neither man mentioned, according to the cdc a review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy and medical records has not established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. ron johnson staffer told cnn, he is not suggesting that the deaths are caused directly by the covid-19 vaccine. of course not, he just wants the numbers to be taken seriously. suddenly. it's a similar vibe to what carlson and johnson said, we are just asking questions. >> in american citizens are going to be forced to take this
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vaccine or my other medicine they have a absolute right to know what it is and what it's effects may be and they have a right to ask the question with. >> i'm not sure it makes sense for everyone to get vaccinated i'm just asking the questions. >> nope, nope, nope. just asking questions for when you want to know if you get fries with the burger, not when you are discouraging people from getting a life saving vaccine. it's not genuine, when you have tucker carlson who can book doctors to answer the questions and will not tell anyone if he has gotten the vaccine himself. those on the couch showed off their vaccination cards. it's a simple question did you or did you not get the vaccine. here's what we know. there's problem with people believing vaccine information and disinformation. there's a reason that republicans are the least willing to receive a vaccine. even though there's a steady drop in deaths as the country gets vaccinated. so, for spreading the lie that
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tensions and violence continue to mount in jerusalem after weeks of clashes between palestinians and israeli forces. israel today launched retaliatory strikes in gaza after hamas sent dozens of rockets into israel. at least 20 people including 9 children were killed in the fighting. israeli prime minister netanyahu accused hamas of crossing a red line and warned the fighting could happen for a while. they were a response to an early morning confrontation between police and palestinians who gathered near a cop pound, more
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than 300 palestinians wurp wounded in the clashes. muslins are celebrating the holy month of ramadan. tensions have been fueled by the planned evection of dozens of palestinians from their homes. in a neighborhood in east jerusalem, which palestines claim is the capital of a future palestinian state. and for the latest, i'm joined by ayman mohyeldin, nbc foreign correspondent, my friend, i'm so glad you were available to stay a little later today. i know you do your show earlier. thank you so much for staying. let's talk about this. you were posting about it. so i have been following it through your reports on your show and on your social media. why are people being evicted? because that is how this started, correct? >> yeah, it's always important to have the pretex and the context of what is happening on the ground to understand how we get to this point, this inflection point that now everyone is suddenly concerned with. weeks ago, you started to see
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the israeli government restrict access to the old city, and as you mentioned, it is happening at a time of significance for muslims and palestinians because it is ramadan, but against that backdrop, as people have been seeing over the past several years, israel, and according to israeli officials, have been trying to change the demographic nature of the eastern part of jerusalem that palestinians and the international community consider to be occupied. they have been doing that through a whole host of restrictions, home demolitions, land confiscation, and as we have seen in the recent case, the forced expulsion of palestinians from their homes. and it's based on the fact that israel has tried to change the demographics of jerusalem to maintain a certain balance between the jewish population and the arab population. that is what the pretext has been for the rising tensions that we have seen. palestinians have been protesting that. they have been coming in direct confrontation with the israeli police and security forces that have been protecting the settlers there. and as we saw overnight, ahead
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of what we were expecting today, this jewish nationalist march that was going to take place through palestinian quarters of the occupied old city, palestinians had barricaded themselves into the mosque under the pretext they wanted to defend this islamic holy site from what they thought was a threat that was going to play out today. earlier this morning, israeli security forces raided the compound and as you saw and as we see those images on your screen, hundreds of palestinians were injured in those violent exchanges where palestinians were throwing stones and lobbing projectiles at the israeli soldiers who are lobbing tear gas, stun grunads, rubber bullets, into this holy site. against that backdrop, what we saw play out was palestinian militant groups firing rockets into israel, and israel responding by attacking the gaza strip, joy. >> let's talk about some of the other context. there's also political context here. you have benjamin netanyahu who vases a lot of corruption charges, legal charges.
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he's sort of barely hanging on, because the last election didn't seem to have a clear result. he has had a history of siding with the far right in terms of settlers versus the rights of palestinians as part of -- that's his politics, no? >> there's no doubt about it. the prime minister himself is on the record making quite incendiary comments about the arab population of both israel and palestinians voters in israel that goes back for years. there's no doubt about that. but members of his coalition and members who serve in various positions within the israeli government, even the deputy mayor of jerusalem, they have been making all kinds of comments about what they see as the demographic threat that palestinians pose to israel being a jewish state. under that context, it is what many people are describing, including israeli and international human rights organization, has led to this apartide system in which
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palestinians have been subjected to second class citizenry in israel and brutal occupation in the west bank and the gaza strip. so for them, they're seeing this both as an existential threat that has forced palestinians to protest the forced expulsion of their homes, but at the same time, the israeli government is shifting more and more to the right. tonight's developments are important to keep in mind against the backdrop that israel has just gone through its fourth election in recent years. they have been unable under this current prime minister to form a new government, so there's a transitional phase as to whether or not the current person who has been invited to form a government will be able to do so. there's a lot of moving pieces to this right now, joy. >> thank you for keeping up with it. we'll have you back on to sort of -- as i'm sure this is going to keep going on. i want to know what the biden administration is doing about it as well. so please come back. thank you very much. >> before we go, a quick
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programming note. on wednesday, my colleague, lawrence o'donnell, go lawrence, is sitting down with president joe biden for an msnbc town hall to discuss how to get every american vaccinated. lawrence will also be joined by dr. anthony fauci, vivek murtha, xavier becerra, and a vaccine developer who will answer questions from the audience. watch vaccinating america, an msnbc town hall with my pal lawrence, wednesday night, 10:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. that's all for us tonight. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight, on "all in." >> right now, it's basically the titanic. we're like, you know, in the middle of this slow sink. >> the top republican in the house is officially telling his party to cancel the number three house republican for the unforgivable sin of advancing the truth. >> tonight, kevin mccarthy's letter calling for the purge of liz cheney. new reporting on the origin story of the big election
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