the administration approves a covid shot for those over 11. and liz cheney, and the new future of the party which begins with ousting liz cheney from leadership for criticizing trump's lies about the election. and new security concerns about the massive cyberattack that shut down a massive pipeline. it's been a giant wake-up call for officials. we will speak to the last person in charge of protecting our country from cyberattack, christopher krebs. that's coming up s. welcome to tuesday. it is "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. we've got a busy hour ahead. i promise you that. any moment now president biden is expected to begin a meeting with a bipartisan group of governors to discuss covid vaccination. that comes as the fda is now

authorizing pfizer's vaccine for 12 to 15-year-olds. we will have more on that as we begin the hour. but for now we will talk about what's emanating from mar-a-lago. house minority leader kevin mccarthy formally identified they will vote to dump liz cheney from leadership. as we noted before, the lie has consumed the gop. just look at what happened with republicans in virginia, where an exceedingly bizarre and trump-infused convention ended up having to choose a gubernatorial nominee in glen young kin, who found himself campaigning on the issue of election integrity. and he's one of the republicans who refuses to say if biden won the election legitimately. biden got youngkin's approval today. but more is coming about the conspiracy by the hour some days

which makes this letter to the caucus about ousting cheney that much more remarkable. in it mccarthy said this about cheney, quote, each day spent relitigating the past is one day less we have to seize the future. it's a clear indication from republicans that the future of the party involves around ignoring the damage inflicted by trump's false election claim and capitol riot they fueled. so what now for the gop? elections across this country this year, like the governor's race in virginia, could end up being major barometers for the future of the republican party and future of the elections under the shadow of trump. because democrats have already said they're going to play up january 6th and play up trump's attacks on democracy in their campaign. northern virginia takes this personally. this race could show us how much of a motivator that issue is, especially with suburban voters and voters with college degrees, which democrats see key to their coalition nationwide.

there are other races to keep an eye on this odd-numbered year, for important signals about the future of the gop. in particular strongholds like new york city and mayor's race or new jersey's governor's race. but virginia is a big one, when they vote to remove liz cheney from leadership. joining me is leigh ann caldwell and mark murray from the political unit. he's been following the gubernatorial race in virginia. we have republican strategist matt goran. leigh anne, i want to start with you. we are almost speaking in the past tense with liz cheney in leadership. what support will she get in support of her staying in leadership tomorrow? is it 10, 20, 50? what is the line and how nervous is kevin mccarthy? >> no one really seems to know. i have been asking this question for about a week and i was wondering if she was only going to get ten votes to keep her. but let's remember, this is a

secret ballot. this is not a direct choice between liz cheney and the heir apparent, elise stefanik. first, the people could vote to keep liz cheney. she could still lose that vote. and then they could also vote later that day or week, whenever the vote happens, for elise stefanik, but there's been some people i've been talking to who actually think she's going to get a significant number of votes because it is a secret ballot. but it's really hard to tell what that breakdown is going to be. the fact though that leader mccarthy encouraged his members to vote with her to recall her from that position is pretty remarkable that he wants to remove someone from his leadership team. so that gave a big, flashing green light to his members to do that, chuck. >> right. leigh anne, i want to play a

soundbite from jody ernest, a republican senator from iowa. she invoked a phrase from the ring wing these days. take a listen to it. >> you know cancel culture is cancel culture, no matter how you look at it. unfortunately i think there are those trying to silence others in the party. i support president trump and his policies, so i have a slightly different view on that. but i still think we shouldn't be trying to cancel voices. >> leigh anne, playbook seemed to hint kevin mccarthy may succeed tomorrow in getting rid of liz cheney but he's done damage to his own -- his own perception of what kind of leader he is by how he's handled this. i mean even in his own letter to the caucus yesterday, he actually wrote the phrase, "unlike the left, we embrace free thought and debate." i'm not going to read the rest

of the quote, because i don't know how you get rid of liz cheney for her free thought and claim you're for free thought. is the way he's handling this rubbing some the wrong way? >> that's always been the question with leader mccarthy doing this, it's always been thought he's playing the short game. that's what his critics say and that's even what some of his supporters say. his immediate goal is to keep trump on his good side, so that trump can help them win back the majority in 2022, and also so trump can help mccarthy put him in the speakership role should that happen. cheney thinks that she's playing the long game. she plans to remain in congress. she plans to run for re-election. those are the near-future plans. but she also is going to continue to be a very loud voice on this. she thinks she's on the right side of the history and she's moving forward in the right direction. but there's a lot of risk for what mccarthy is doing, first of

all, because being loyal to the president today doesn't mean that that loyalty is going to reward you in the future. there's some conservative trump supporters in congress who don't like the coronation of elise stefanik, who has a moderate voting record, so that can come back to bite mccarthy as well. this is actually a very risky gambit, especially since what mccarthy pretty much single-handedly did. trump's popularity was waning. we weren't talking about his as much. republicans weren't talking about him as much. but mccarthy whipped him right back into the middle of the political storm and trump likely feels emboldened and he will be hard to get rid of now, chuck. >> you make a good point, trump went out of of his -- mccarthy went out of his way to bring trump back into the mainstream party. and he may argue he had to do it

because his constituents would have dumped him if he didn't but he did this on his own, no doubt about it. strandling the world of trying to have it both ways on trump brings me to the governor and republican primaries. what's interesting about the nominee, he's somebody i think trying not to be very trumpy but he ended up embracing the one or two issues trump cares about the most. it's like they had to do the minimum to get his endorsement, which might already be too much to win in virginia. >> yeah, chuck, it's going to be quite a tight rope for glenn youngkin. a little background, he's the former ceo of the carlisle group, private equity firm. he has lots of money, very wealthy. already used some of the wealth to win the republican convention and able to use it in the fall election. he's also a political outsider. he's never run like this before. which sometimes brings good qualities because you get to be portrayed as the outsider.

and sometimes having never done this before, there are certain things you have to learn while on the fly. as you mentioned, chuck, in his lead up to the convention, he embraced the former president, airing a tv ad with the former president praising glenn youngkin. he also ended up questioning and campaigning on election integrity, and he has declined to say joe biden won the 2020 election fair and square. chuck, you and i have actually watched this virginia governor's race over the past two decades. it's in our backyard. historically, it is actually benefited the party that's out of power in washington, the party that controls the white house usually has a very difficult time winning this election the very next year and republicans have a good shot of being able to win it. we've seen people like larry hogan win multiple terms in maryland, charli baker win multiple terms.

but the difference here is youngkin has ties charlie baker never had. >> and matt, let me play a little mash here of youngkin, a little bit of the ads. no doubt, it was a very small primary electorate he was appealing to, but take a look at this mash. >> handful of california mega corporations are deciding who can say what. promoting positions that they agree with and canceling conservative opinions and religious believes. the major league baseball and some corporations forget that americans and virginians still value common sense. as governor, i'll institute reform, like bringing back voter i.d. for all of our elections. and anything that teaches division is not a hymn, and therefore we will not teach

critical race theory in school. we will not. >> matt, if you look at the recipe of when republicans won the governorship in virginia, it's never been by running on those issues. it was the car tax, get rid of it. bob mcdonald running sort of more about roads and bridges than it was about -- and jobs, than it was about social issues. youngkin has a background that could make him a very viable candidate, but he's choosing to run on some base issues here. break it down for us. >> you're right. if you remember, bob mcdonald, his yard signs, all they said was bob for jobs. he totally avoided social issues. but to be fairness, he didn't have a serious primary, unlike youngkin. and too what you see in the ad whether it's cancel cultures or billionaires in california, it was just enough to your point

before to strike the right conservative tone without totally getting out on a limb and going where amanda chase was really going, the far right candidate was going. i also think virginia changed. i don't think it's applicable enough anymore to say it's really the balancing act between the president's party going back into an election year. i think it's much more of a blue state now, and i think that's the real key. >> and, matt, let's go to the national issue of kevin mccarthy. he's doing what he has to do, he thinks, to become speaker. but, you know, how much risk is he -- is he acquiring here in the way he's gone about dumping cheney and the language he's used. again, to sit here and say we respect free and open debate and then dump her, and how he's gone about this, he does seem as if he's a leader so worried about

factions that he only caters to the factions, he doesn't worry about the big picture. >> i will say this, if he takes the house back and becomes speaker, it will be a very, very different calculus in 2017 when trump took office. whether he likes it or not, donald trump will have a lot more control over the house if they take it back, even if he's not president anymore. if you talk to him and the people around trump, they feel he was much too deferential with paul ryan in 2017. that's why they went with that and not what trump preferred on tax structures. so if he's present, he will insert much more control, like it or not. >> the role of january 6th, mark murray, you said very quickly, we heard from the democratic side of the aisle and they said that is something they think particularly in virginia that they can make a closing argument out of here.

what is the republican counter on that in the virginia race? >> i don't have an answer for that, chuck, but you're right. democrats say they want to use the image of january 6th to be able to seize upon youngkin's doubts about the legitimacy of the 2020 election, his comments about some of the voting machines that are there, and democrats think the polling is on their side. you show the images of january 6th and you link people to trump. as we pointed out in the first three news letters this morning, chuck, there's a possibility it doesn't work. if it doesn't work in northern virginia, the entire democratic playbook and things the party is very focused on making january 6th front and center for the 2022 midterm could be in serious doubt. i think this is a fascinating trial to run how it plays out across virginia and maybe the rest of the country later on. >> the question will be, will we

have new information about what happened january 6th? with that, let me close with you, leigh anne. there appears to be, i don't know, sometimes motion does equal movement and sometimes motion is just motion. but that nancy pelosi deputized bennie thompson of homeland security, and one of the republicans that impeached, are they going to be able to come up with a january 6th compromise where we might actually get an investigation of what happened? >> that's the question. democrats are pretty confident, they're feeling good about it, even going on to say they hope there's a deal as early of this week, perhaps a vote on the floor next week. i want to caution i've also heard this before on the january 6th commission. but pelosi has made concessions on a couple issues. he said now they're going to be an equal amount of democrats and republicans. he said they both can have subpoena powers and the democrats. but the question remains on republican leader mccarthy and

senate leader mcconnell both want to expand the scope beyond january 6th to the justice strike last summer. and as you said, someone who voted to impeach the former president and second impeachment can come to some sort of an agreement on that scope, because that is the final sticking point, chuck. >> matt, how do you expect republicans to talk about january 6th? is it going to depend on what kind of campaign they're in, a stiet wide republican in a swing state will say one thing, versus somebody in a more red area? >> look, i think they're going to try to look forward as much as possible. unless there's new information on it. i think that would be the key. i think whether it's the election in 2020 or insurrection, unless there's new information, i think they're going to look forward. i think you will see youngkin do the exact same thing. he's going to pivot away from who won the election, hopefully the insurgency and look forward

and talk about school reopening and the like. >> there is a democratic primary. terry mccullough is the bold-face name. he has some national name i.d., so people know who he is but it's a crowded primary. does youngkin's nomination at all help or hurt mccullough here? >> chuck, it's unclear. i have seen terry mccullough has been the one democrat who's been most aggressive trying to fund-raise and tie trump's endorsement he gave today to youngkin and really elevate that. but as you mentioned, there's five total democrats who are running, two women who are running to be the first black female governors of virginia in the entire south. the state's lieutenant governor, a state delegate. and that primary -- and it's not a convention, it's a primary, is a month from now. >> all right. mark murray, leigh an caldwell,

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welcome back. as we mentioned a few minutes ago, the fda authorized pfizer's shot for kids ages 11 to 15. joining us is a practicing physician at the children's philadelphia hospital of philadelphia. doctor, let me start with a question i have aa parent of an adolescent 12 to 15, as a parent, i have already gotten it and we had uncomfortable experiences with shot two. so 12-year-olds to 15-year-olds, if they're getting the same shot, should we expect them to have an even rougher time with this second shot? >> well, it's possible.

the young children generally make a better immune response than say older adults do. and we are seeing that now already with the second shot of the moderna vaccine where you can get headache, fever, muscle ache, generally happens to those under 65. and a younger child has a vigorous immune system so they could develop those symptoms. those are just products of your immune system. when you have those symptoms, it's because your immune system is revving up in case you encounter sars-cov-2. and i think this is the first time people complain wondering if the side effects will happen for them. >> i was going to say, the more side effects, the better your immune response is? >> that hasn't been formally studied but we certainly know with the pfizer and moderna trials, those vaccines were roughly 95% effective and 50% had side effects. you don't have to have had the

side effects to have an effective vaccine. but the vaccine is getting the recognition it deserves. when you have the side effects, it's because your body is reacting to the vaccine and that's good. >> do you expect a systemic addition of kids under the age of 12 in the next three months? >> that would be surprising. i know certainly there are studies that are ongoing down to 6 years and even as young as 6 months of age. my prediction is we probable wloipt see the result of the studies until early next year. but the good news is the fda approved it and on wednesday i think the cdc will recommend these vaccines be given down to 12 years of age. which mean now the 12-year-old to 15-year-old won't also have to suffer. people think wrongly children don't suffer this disease. they should come around in our hospital on our covid ward.

there are more than 3.5 million children infected and i'm sure that's a low number. there are at least 200 children who have died of this virus. there is also a multisystem inflammatory disease that is a primary disease of the 6 to 14 -year-old that is hard to watch. if you can protect children, you should do that and that's what this data shows, you can do that. >> and this is a technical question on emergency use authorization and then full authorization. assuming pfizer gets the approval, gets full approval for its vaccine, will that be for all age groups, or will there be a staggered approval process for that to the way it has as we've brought age groups online? >> right. so there's a difference between authorization for emergency use authorization and licensure, which you're referring to i think as approval. it sounds by no later than the

end of the summer the mrna vaccines would likely be licensed products. but when people hear the word emergency use, that sounds like things are being rushed or, worse, safety guidelines ignored. that's really not true. the size of these trials are the same size and safety followups the same. the only real difference is length to follow up for efficacy. when we approved the vaccines in december and february, we could see they were effective a few months and licensure will be based on efficacy for at least six months. so i think we will probably see licensure by the end of the summer. >> as schools, parents and teachers and all of that debate the issue of a vaccine mandate for kids in schools, where do you come down on it considering we saw youth sports being there? if it becomes too politically trickily to do in the schools, is mandating it for youth sports

the best way to get the impact from the vaccine that we need? >> you would like to think in a better world we wouldn't need mandates, people would look at this and like the data on the 12-year-old to 15-year-olds. half the children got the vaccine, half got the placebo, there were 18 cases of disease, all in the placebo group. i'm sure the parents because of a coin flip ended up with the vaccine, and were happy about that, and those in the field group weren't. but now you can take the coin flip out of it. you can dramatically reduce or virtually eliminate your child's chance of getting the disease by choosing the vaccine. yet some people choose not to do that. then it becomes what's the problem? if it's access, that's solvable. if it's education, that's solvable. if they need a nudge, insensitive can solve that. otherwise, if it's vaccine denialism, they're not skeptical of the data, they're cynical about the data. they think the data don't apply

to them, and then it comes down to mandates. >> let me ask about the variant that has been identified in india. i want to say it's b 1617, not to get it confused with the one in the uk, b.1.1.7, which is our dominant strain. how soon will we be able to know if the variant out of india can be stopped by our vaccine? >> my understanding of the preliminary data is it looks like it's falling under the category of the brazilian variant, where there may not be good protection against moderate disease but any severe disease or disease that would cause you to go to the hospital or cdc or die. that's my understanding and we will learn more. generally these viruses, it's a bad virus, a bad coronavirus that came out of china that's adapting itself to growth in people. so it will find ways to be more

contagious. but at least to date it hasn't escaped completely the immunity introduced by national infection or immunization. >> is it going to be fairly easy with these new mrna vaccines to sort of tweak them to handle new variants, or are we going to be starting from not quite square one but further back in the process to deal with them? >> that's the advantages of mrna vaccines is they're very easy to construct. that's why they were the first vaccines out there in mid-december in this country. and so they're easy to construct. nothing is easy to mass produce. the lipid nanoparticles, so-called fatty droplets in which mrna resides, is not easily scaled up. as you saw, it's not easy to mass produce or mass administer a vaccine. but the deinstruction of the vaccine is not that hard. >> dr. paul moffett, always good, you're one of the outside

advisers to the fda on these issues, particularly vaccine and particularly specializing in kids. always good to get your expertise. thank you, sir. >> thank you. and be sure t tune in to our cerebral "vaccinating america." it's a town hall that will be hosted by my colleague lawrence o'donnell. tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. coming up -- new national security concerns after the fbi blames a russian criminal group, not the nation state, but the cyberattack on a major u.s. pipeline. one of the government's top former officials on cybersecurity, christopher krebs, joins me now. s, joins me. things will pick up by q3. yeah...uh... doug? sorry about that. umm... what...its...um... you alright? [sigh] [ding] never settle with power e*trade. it has powerful, easy-to-use tools to help you find opportunities, 24/7 support when you need answers plus some of the lowest options and futures contract prices around. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.

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supply, said it hopes to have its outage resolved by the end of the week, but, yes, it is still unresolved. while the focus may then shift to preventing attacks at the federal government, they first need to focus on how cyberattacks are reported in the first place. wait until you here this. this morning the acting director of cisa, the federal agency in charge of cybersecurity for structure in this country, told the senate homeland security his agency only learned the colonial outline attack from the fbi, and that it still has not been given technical details of the attack. >> so they did not contact cisa. did cisa contact colonial? >> we were brought in by the fbi after they were notified. >> if the fbi had not brought you in, would colonial, you think, have contacted you to ask for your assistance? >> no. >> do you think that's a problem? >> i think that there is benefit when cisa's brought in quickly because the information that we glean, we work to share it in a

broader fashion to protect other critical infrastructure. >> right. >> oh, the diplomatic answer of somebody in government at the moment. okay. with me now is chris krebs, who was the first director of cisa. he's now the partner of the krebs stamos group. chris, i feel like we all know each other really well on these topics because we've been dealing with it quite a bit over the last few months. and i have to say, that was the most startling fact that we discovered today, what finding out that cisa was not looped into this. i think this has been sort of your -- you've been evangelizing about this, if you will, that cisa isn't looped in and yet it's supposed to be. how did this happen? >> well, first off, chuck, thank you for having me on.

look at brandon wales, acting director, and look at his response. and you ask yourself, why is it like this? why do we not know more? why do we not have more information? why aren't breaches or incidents at critical national infrastructure like colonial, you know, isn't that more automatic? and there are a couple different conversations happening on the hill right now, and it was a recommendation out of last year's cyberspace sew lar up commission that infrastructure needs certain requirements in place that if they have a bad day, they get that information to the partners quickly. now, the last piece here i would note is my sense of things is it would be helpful if colonial could share what the initial vector of attack, if they can get that in quickly to make sure

there's not another attack that happens in a week or so, that would be an operational positive for the entire country. >> when you were at cisa, is there any regular contact between cisa and private companies like colonial when there's not -- when there's not a major attack going on? like what is the regular dialogue that takes place between private companies that oversee critical structure and cisa? >> i think you start with the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of companies in the united states that are owning and operating our nation's critical infrastructure. and when you step back and think about critical infrastructure, it's everything from banks to bridges, from schools to sewers. and everything in between. and so it is a massive operational scope. there are a number of mechanisms that we and the department of homeland security and other agencies have established over

the years to coordinate with owners and operators of infrastructure, but ultimately particularly in the nonregulatory space where cisa operated, it was a voluntary public/private partnership so the organization has to come to the government. now, that's not to give the government a free pass. the government has to have something of value to attract the private sector organization to come work with us. i think that's the biggest struggle right now. >> is there a way to model this off of how the pentagon does it? look, i'm sure you have friends that have done this. i've got -- i've known people who work for the government and their job is to make sure the defense contractors are correctly handling classified material and things like that, making sure their security systems are up to snuff so that stuff isn't pilfered from them.

is there a way to create a similar relationship? >> so i think the difference there, chuck, is that those private sector organizations are choosing to contract with the federal government. and the federal government has the power of the purse to set certain standards. i think what you're going to see some time in the pretty near future is a cybersecurity executive order out of the white house that will raise the bar on software standards at least for those procured by the federal government. there will be trickle down effects though into the private sector. the separate piece here though is i think we need to have a pretty real conversation with our businesses that have enjoyed a significant amount of success in the economy. if you're in a position where you own delivery of 50% of the refined product in a major region in the united states, the largest pipeline in the united states, you have a certain

obligation and you have some corporate citizenship responsibilities you need to live up to. again, the investigation is still in the early stages here with colonial, but we all know that everybody needs to do a little more on cybersecurity. >> let's talk about the perpetrators of this. it's a russian crime gang, it appears, cyber gang. but i want to play something that the chairman of the house intelligence committee said earlier today, that maybe russia the government does have more responsibility here. take a listen to what he said. >> this is a known actor operating out of russia, and, you know, from my own perspective, russia has the ability to shut people like this down if they choose to. so i think they have responsibility here, even if they're not engaged in the conduct themselves. >> from what you know about this group, is congressman schiff right, that they have some deep

ties to the gru and the russian intelligence folks? >> so broadly speaking i think chairman schiff is spot on. i'm not certain that this crew, the darkside crew, is tied to intelligence services nor their predecessor organization and the gang crab crew. but it's blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention in the last four, five years that ransomware is a business and it's a successful business that operates out of russia and some of the former soviet states. and it's almost a permitted business by the intelligence services. look at their techniques. they actually deploy their ransomware and as part of the deployment, they check for russia language packages on the infected computers and if they find it, they exit out.

that tells me -- and i said it earlier today -- they know where their bread is buttered and they're not going to mess or tee off against their hosts. so i think president biden is absolutely right. he's got an opportunity to have a conversation with president putin saying, knock it off. this ends. this ends now. this is an attack on critical infrastructure. >> chris, is dealing with ransomware a whack-a-mole that's going to be impossible to deal with, or will at some point we have the technological tools to at least cause some pain for these ransom cyberattackers? >> oh, i absolutely think that there is an approach that we can adopt that will change the game. i think, first, we've got to have better cyber defenses here

in the united states. i think president biden has a great opportunity this summer to probably pull together a couple of different cybersecurity summits. bring in ceos of large and medium businesses, meet with state and local executives and ask them what more they need. the government can do a lot to help here but ultimately, there are a lot of decisions that need to be made in the boardroom and in the c-suite to improve cybersecurity investment. and the second thing we need to do is break the business model. break the business model. a lot of this is enabled by cryptocurrency. >> right. oh, well, talk about opening up a can of worms there and debating cryptocurrency, that we will leave for another time and perhaps another pair of folks. former assistant director christopher krebs, really appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences and expertise with us. thank you, sir. >> thanks, chuck. and coming up, new pleas for peace as deadly clashes escalate between israeli and palestinian forces. the latest on a very volatile

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welcome back. clashes between israeli police and palestinians at the mosque and in east jerusalem escalated. the death toll from the strikes continues to rise this morning

according to the gaza ministry, and israel reports that two israeli women were killed in the strikes from hamas after the group expanded their rocket attacks to jerusalem to cities in southern israel. molly joins us. molly, it was startling to me to read today this was the first time in seven years that rockets emanated from gaza. on one hand it reminded me that time flies, and it's been a remarkably -- remarkable peace over the last seven years, and now this. feels like we are at a bad spot at a time when the palestinians were divided politically and the israelis are divided politically? >> hey, chuck, that's exactly right. it has been an extraordinary

peace for that area, and this is an escalation since the end of the 2014 war. we are getting breaking lines in now, and i am in london and not jerusalem, and we have a great team in tel aviv and i want to show you a video we just saw in gaza, the military has flattened a building, and prime minister netanyahu has vowed to step up the intensity, and that building was evacuated and had 80 apartments in it and has just been flattened immediately after hamas threatened to start striking tel aviv and minutes later our producer on the ground in tel aviv said they heard sirens and a large explosion, and the initial report says sirens have sounded in tel aviv and we will keep watching that,

and this has been bubbling up for the last seven years, but for the last week we have seen a stepped up intensity, and the fundamentals for this violence is not new, but it started with a new jerusalem push to pushout palestinian families living in a neighborhood in east occupied jerusalem. we spoke with one of those families and this was her message to president joe biden. take a listen. >> put yourself in my place and think about your future and think about your right -- oh, joe biden, think, think, think about the humanity. please, we are human beings. we are owners of this house. my parents, my brothers, my

children, my grandchildren, we are growing here. >> reporter: let's be very clear, the push to put jewish settlers in eastern houses is not new, but what we are seeing we have not seen in seven years, and the rhetoric by prime minister netanyahu combined with the last day of ramadan, it's a potent combination. >> it is. never mind you have the political split between the two, and in israel you have complete and total chaos, and it could get uglier. thank you for being with us this hour. we will be back tomorrow, and msnbc's coverage continues with jeff bennett right after this break.

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it's good to see you. i am jeff bennett in for katy tur. we are following two developing stories as we come on the air. we'll get an update from the white house at any moment on the cyber attack that shutdown a major pipeline that provides half the fuel for the east coast. with gas prices already climbing the energy secretary will join today's press bri