feedback that you rejected. >> don't be so hard on yourself. >> we invite you to watch the full interview. go to the beat with ari on twitter. you can find a link to the entire digital exclusive. thanks for watching the beat. the reid out with joy reid starts now. good evening, every one. we begin the reid out tonight with a puppet show. no, no, no. i'm not talking about the muppets. i'd like to talk about a different kind. it's a small scale figure with a cloth beside -- body and hallow hand. one whose acts are controlled by an outside influence. in this case the hand of donald trump. that's the one that's operating

the puppet in question, kevin mccarthy. the hallow headed leader of house republicans set up a vote tomorrow to strip wyoming congresswoman liz cheney of her leadership position to the disgraced, twice impeached former president's big lie. it isn't about liz cheney or the former president's bruised ego. he wants her out hen he was sort of pretending to have a spine at the january 6th insurrection. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday ease attack by mob rioters. >> it's important to remember how we get here. whatever semblance quickly melted as he began changing history. >> do you believe that former president trump provoked?

>> i don't believe he pro provoked. >> i think everybody across this country has some responsibility. we should take this moment in time to find how we should correct ourselves. >> shortly after that, he made his transformation complete. high tailing it to beg for support to retake the house because that's the thing. he will say and do anything. right now he's doing his puppet master orange julius bidding because what he really, really wants is to be house speaker, like a lot. he's been laying the ground work for it since basically the day after the election. this isn't his first rodeo. back in 2015 when john boehner had enough of the extreme right wingers taking over and packed it in, kevin tossed his hat into the ring and the very next he went on fox news and told the truth for once. >> everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right. we put together a benghazi

special committee, a select committee. what are her numbers today? her numbers are dropping. why? because she's untrustable but no one would have known any of that happened have we made something good. >> i give you credit for that. >> seems like he could have used someone else pulling the strings. >> the next week he dropped out saying that comment wasn't helpful. probably not. also not helpful. rumors than alleged extramarital affair derailed that bid. a gop colleague circulating a letter calling on members with misdeeds to step aside. a gop donor was e-mailing threats to expose mccarthy and then colleague of north carolina. at the time, kevin denied that personal issues led to his decision to drop out. it seemed that some of in the republican circle didn't think he was fit to lead back then which begs the question what makes puppet kevin fit to lead

now since he's not even a real boy. aides to his own members are telling politico he doesn't have the backbone forit. then there are a few republicans left like adam kisinger who said puppet kevin dismissed his warning ahead of the january 6th siege only to be told, okay, adam, operator, next question. okay puppet kevin, almost makes you wonder if house republicans are trying to excommunicate the wrong member. don't take it from me. >> donald trump was out of power after january 6th. then kevin mccarthy went down, probably with scalise and put the paddles on him and resurrected him politically back to life. he gave his voting card. his gave his proxy card to donald trump. >> i'm joined by chief strategist for mitt romney's

2012 presidential campaign. it strikes me what people want in a leader is they are a leader. it seems that kevin mccarthy might be the weakness man that i've ever seen in politics. he's feckless. he believes in nothing. he's so desperate to be speaker that he's allowed donald trump to put his hand up and sort of like kermit the frog flopping around. >> it's doing with those people you're supposed the lead want to do. that's what being part of a mob is. that's not leadership. it goes do point i made in my book, it was all a lie. there really is no coherent governing philosophy or any moral purpose to the republican party. it doesn't really perform the role of a traditional political party which represents some sort

of political view. it exists to defeat democrats for the purpose of acquiring power for power's sake. that's not really a party. that's like cartel. why does opec exist? what's the moral purpose, sell oil. that's why the republican exists now. >> to that very point, basically lindsey graham admitadmitted. he used to say he's a racist and idiot. here he is saying we need him. >> most popular republican in america is not lindsey graham. it's not liz cheney. it's donald trump. people on our side of the aisle believe that trump policies work. they are disappointed he lost and to try to erase donald trump from the republican party is insane and the people who try to erase him will wind up getting erased. >> michelle, i'm disappointed i can't have cake for dinner. i'm not going burn my house down. that seems to be the strategy at

this point. your thoughts. >> i would say i respect representative kinsinger for trying to stand up to this mad ens even though i don't share his politics but i think he's wrong when he says kevin mccarthy doesn't speak for the republican party. the republican party is by in large a cult enthralled to donald trump and i think lindsey graham is right. if they tried as i'm sure there's people within the party who sort of wish they could get out from under this degrading subservient relationship to this madman but i think that lindsey graham is right. if they try, their voters will -- they're people will revolt. i'm sure -- i think a lot of people thought once donald trump was no longer in power, the people who he had insulted, belittled, degraded, forced into at least to the senate minority

would try to move on if for no other reason than they're own ambition. he has sort of so taken away their agency and self-respect and at the same time i think they rightly understand that he still maintains the capacity to destroy them if he decides to. >> in addition to that, the comment that lindsey graham made is also the babying of republican voters. they're disappointed. they are sad -- they admit he lost. they are disappointed that trump lost so they are sad and dispinted that he's gone. we have to basically tear up democracy in order to make them happy. it's treated republican voters as children that cannot accept adult things like losing elections. you use cartel. kevin mccarthy hired former donald trump white house

political adviser to run his political operation. he and that add vieszer could be subpoenaed if there was a real commission with subpoena power. he was on the phone with trump the day of the insurrection. that guy was one of the planners. how much of this do you think might be kevin mccarthy saying i need liz cheney out bauds i want that commission and i don't want to get subpoenaed. >> i think a lot of the republican party is being driven to cover up. the rnc is a money laundering money for the trump crime family. the reason that trump needs to control the rnc is if anybody came in who is independent and looked that, the next step would be to call the fbi and the justice department. this is what's happened. this is not a normal political moment. we all long for normalcy and we have a normal president now and he's doing a good job of running a normal coherent competent government.

we've never been in a position since 1860 in which one of the major political parties believe we don't live in a democracy. no one will be the nominee of the republican party in 2024 who will assert that joe biden won a legitimate election and is a legitimate president which means we don't live in a democracy. it's our inability to imagine what we're in and our reluctance to embrace it that is the greatest danger we face. these are not people who look at america with the same vision that those of us who support plurlistic democracies view the country. they want to be for democracies when they win and they want to be against it when they lose and that's not what democracy is. >> that's the thing that's scary. michelle, if somebody representative stefanik is willing to completely lie and flip and she's completely changed her entire mind about trump and just repeat the words because that's the way to get

power then it truly is a naked quest for power. we don't know power for what. they don't believe no democracy and people should vote. i wouldn'ter where that leaves us as a democracy. >> i think it leads us to very possibly a repeat of the attempt to steal the election with much more sophisticated ground work being paid. donald trump didn't get away with what he tried to do in 2020. that's no guarantee that he or whoever the nominee is doesn't get away with something similar in 2024 once they have passed all these restrict ifr voting laws, once they have taken away power from local election boards and once you have somebody like kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house whichredistricting

enthusiasm gap. it's very hard to imagine that a house with kevin mccarthy and leadership that they are going to accept electors that show that a democrat has won. people really geared up before 2020. it was a lot of planning and war gaming what to do if they tried to steal the election. even though people are exhausted, i know they want to tune out. i know people want to relax and disengage a little bit. that kind of work needs to be going on now pause all of this signals they will try to do it again. >> that's the biggest fear is the next time around, the people who stood up have been purged and sanctioned and punished so the next time there's a

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as bad as we think they are, they are worse. we should accept that they are at war with what we consider the american experiment and if we don't edge gauge in this war, they will win. >> it is frightening. it's funny to write them off as puppets. thank you both very much. up next, republicans launch an all out attack on the voting rights bill while simultaneously pushing their voter suppression bills across this country. republicans reflectively push back with their old stand by that the average person is lazy and helping them makes them lazier. federal investigators want the talk to matt gaetz old girlfriend as the deadline draws near for his former wingman to accept a plea deal. n to accept a plea deal introducing fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need,

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they seem to be serving the few, the wealthy and trump. the last time the public was given the choice, 7 million more than the trumpers said no to that. to be clear, the historic election was the most secure election ever according to the trump administration's own cyber security expert. when the party without ytds con front an electorate that doesn't like their message, they change the rule offense the game. take arizona where they signed into law bill today that would purge infrequent mail voters. republican legislatures across the country seizing on trump's big lie have introduced more than 360 bills making it harder to vote. five have been signed into law.

there's one thing that would stop this tidal wave of voter suppression before the people act. it create a national standard to ensure you have a right to vote. it helps to reform campaign finance to bring the corruption out of our election's process. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell believes the bill is so dangerous. he joined the meeting. making his own case against the bill. an exceptional move for party leader. >> the democratic party own its own wants to rewrite the ground rules of merp politics for their benefit. >> this legislation, to use a phrase, that has opinion popularized is jim crow 2.0. >> i think this is an attempt to change the rules while you have the slimmest majority and put in place a system that will make it

much easier to hold on the that power. i'll go back to what i said earlier. this is something i was expect from communist china. >> majority leader chuck schumer has promised floor consideration of the bill. what's not clear is what happens when it fails to get the 60 votes to become law. ted cruz says a lot of stupid things. he does a lot of stupid things. i personally as a person of color, as black person would dare use the world jim you when his party is literally a jim crow party trying to suppress the votes of people in his home state. i'll let both of you respond starting with your colleague, ted cruz. >> it's beyond offensive. it's beyond enraging not just as a member of the senate and a

person of color, a voter of color in the united states of america but as a former secretary of state in california where we know how to protect the security and integrity of our elections but increase access to the ballot. imagine that helping people vote easier. it's what really is up sets me. the hyporcrisy of our republican voters who want to make it eedsier to vote but hazarder to chaet. they have no interest in making it easier for eligible people to vote. that's what s1 is all about. we can modernize our elections, strengthen our democracy and create a baseline for voting rights across the country and clearly they want no part of it. >> you work for an organization that's been fighting against jim crow voting law that were designed to stop black people from vote. ted cruz state sued to try to

overturn the votes of other elections. ted cruz could give a damn about jim crow. he's never raised one concern about jim crow or racist or discrimination. what do you make of his lidle comment there. >> it could be comical if it wasn't so appalling and so many people wouldn't be deeply misled business hi misinformation and disinformation. listening to the hearings today and listening to the opponents of the for the people act, i couldn't tell whether this was projection or just inconceivable delusion or both. jim crow 2.0 is the tidal wave of the over 360 voter suppression laws that are pending in state legislations across the country. that's not what the for the people act intended to do. expand democracy and expand

ballot access and voting opportunities for all americans. like their predecessors the vote you are suppression laws across the country in senator cruz state of texas, in the state of florida where we have sued and in the state of georgia where we have sued, we see laws that are so similar to their historical predecessor where soon as african-americans were able to exercise political will following the radification of the reconstructionist, laws were enacted, jim crow laws to prevent them from exercising that power. that's exactly what we were seeing following the unprecedented turn out in places like georgia that delivered the first jewiish and delivered the first black senators and in places like florida where voters turned out in record numbers and use vote by plal and we saw the state legislature engage in a

fraud on vote by mail. engage in assault by providing sustenance to voter while wait on long lines. that's jim crow 2.0. that's what we need to name and not being misled by the cooption of those words in support of a hyper partisanship and co-jacking, hijacking of the history of this country. >> seems like these are obvious to every one. what is jim crow. it was used stop any legislation that would allow black people to vote. chuck grassley said they have joe manchin locked down. not only against not using a filibuster but against this bill. joe manchin did meet with the president today. the president hosted manchin.

is joe manchin going to vote for this bill and if it doesn't get 60 votes then what is plan b? >> i think that remains to be seen as senator manchin said with other issues and other pieces of legislation before entertaining, using the reconciliation process or anything else. he wants to see a genuine eft bipartisan. democrats are trying. if republicans will continue to choose conspiracy theory over truth there's son-in-law so much we can do. protecting fundamental voting rights and advancing much needed infrastructure package, tackling climate change. patszing immigration reform. there's plenty of candidates that will break the back of the filibuster. >> do you think your fellow democratic colleagues understand if they don't pass this bill they may never get a free and fair election again?

>> as president johnson once said, voting right s the right that protects all other rights. if our democracy, the bedrock of our democracy is undermined, we're in a whole world of hurt and that's what we're fighting for with s1. >> when you look at which party controls state legislatures, it's mostly republican. they control 29 state legislatures. democrats control 20 for the northeast and the west. there's one that's split. one that's non-partisan. they could right black, brown, young and working class voters out of existence. what happens if this bill doesn't pass? >> that's why we are at an unprecedented moment of crisis in our democracy. the assault on the right to vote, the manipulation of institutions for anti-ma jor tear yan partisan entrenchment has never been more acute

especially when you consider the demographic plux. the potential we have to finally realize a true multi-racial, multi-ethnic power sharing democracy but as we know there's a diminishing minority that is deeply disturbed and concerned about that very realistic possibility and with do anything to thwart it. i'm glad you raised filibuster. it's a significant obstacle to getting the for the people act and legislation that john lewis voting rights advancement act passed. those are two necessary pieces of legislation to ensure that we do not entrench an imbalance of power for generations to come. >> what you see on the screen is what republicans fear in the

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okay, you know the whole bit where the republican party claims to be party of the working class. yeah, it's scam. a rebranding exercise for the party of guilded age industrialism and the koch brothers who convinced the working class that tax cuts for the rich magically trickle down. they never do. republicans hate when regular people get money. it's clear because did you notice as soon as american workers began receiving benefits and extended unemployment insurance that zero republicans voted for. they started complaining. arkansas governor saying today that the relief is discouraging you as workers from joining the labor force. >> human nature kicks in. do i want to get the same amount of money by going to work every day and working hard or do i

want to get that amount of money by sitting at home. we want to avoid that inclination of human nature. >> that conservative party line about people not wanting to work because it's human nature. it's the same old nar tifr projected onto poor people and people of color every time that benefits go to anyone but corporations and the wealthy. while the rich who devour their tax cuts and quarantine on yachts are considered by republicans to be the ones who really work hard. they are the makers and you're takers. the arkansas governor isn't the only one waging this war. nine republican controlled states are ending the $300 supplement provided under president biden's rescue plan. this list is likely to grow. joining me now is ohio congressman andist senate candidate tim ryan. there is this thing where republicans say the average person mes inclination is to be a lazy bone.

you're talking about waitresses and people who work at amazon. they are like the least lazy people in the world. the other people are making money off their money and sitting home on a yacht. how do you make sense of working class people being fooled by them. >> the reality is we got to start showing them that we are here to cut them in on a deal. we are starting to take those steps. you mention the unemployment benefits. making sure that family can be lifted out of poverty. those families ta working hard every single day. people work hard and did everything right and make sure they were made whole and we will continue to do that. the problem right now is there are people that go to work primarily women who have taken

it on chin during this pandemic but they don't have any child care. the kids are doing virtual learning. child care centers a closed and this is a burden on the parents which primarily the women get hit with and that's why we're working on some of these issues that will be key to lifting up those workers and cutting them in on the deal. >> we're seeing the very popular. every one is very happy that they got a break for once. people who pay taxes because big corporations don't pay tax. they pay zero and people put out the tax money are like i got something back. biden is sitting at a 63% approval rating. there is a concern that you've heard some businesses say we can't get people to come in and take this job at a retail place place or a subway sandwich shop. is it logical that if somebody is offered the opportunity to,

you know, take a few extra weeks and not risk their health and their life working at that subway for minimum wage and then have to find way to fork out for child care which is really expensive. find way to fork out for transportation which is really expe expensive. if they say to themselves i'm not going risk myself and drain my bank account for child care when i'm only getting like seven bucks an hour. is it ir rational for people to make. just because people aren't rich, is it unfair ta they are being rational. shouldn't these bids just pay people more? just pay them more. wouldn't that be the best answer. >> we got do get wages up. we got to do the $15 minimum wage. that would save the average family about $13,000. you look at what we want to do for child care, where you're a bit above poverty, you wouldn't pay anything. it could be capped at 70% of

your income so everybody could have affordable child care. we're talking about rewarding work. you also need the programs and incentives in place for people to go to work and that's what we're trying to do. the reality is you know this better than anyone, if you take the minimum wage in 1968 and index it for inflation, it would be $24 an hour. we're fighting to get it to 15. that shows how far the middle class has fallen and poor people still out there sloging. we got a lot of work to do. everything that we're trying to do is to rectify this and quickly this pandemic has pooled the veil back on so many structural problems we had. broad barngsds access to health care, go right down the line. we have got to act. wages, ceo in the late '70s, made 35 times what the worker is making. now they are making 300 times what the worker is making.

these are structural problems that we're beginning to start the process of fixing. >> how do you message this? you may in the senate be facing jd vance who was born broke but is a hedge fund money, funned by hedge fund money and he's one of these guys who thinks child care, that's just elites don't want to take care of their own kids. if everybody should be june cleaver and stay home. some people need to work. how do you message against him? >> all i can control is what i talk about. i'm talking about fight to cut these workers in on the deal. we have to reinvest back in our country. we're in a very competitive global committee and if we want to be successful, we have to invest into our people. that means health care, education, good schools for our kids. making sure at the bare minimum our kids aren't drinking water that has led in it.

these are some basic problems but if we want to be competitive as kaun tri, if we want to succeed and rebuild the middle class and start providing upward mobility in our society, we got to start cutting workers in on the deal and that starts with making the basic investments. not a bunch of rhetoric they try to climb their way over. we got to focus on taking care of people and workers whether they are white, black, brown, gay, straight, or work in manufacturing or the service industry. we have to cut the workers in on the deal. >> do you think the states that are pulling back the 300 dollar extra benefit are doing the are wrong thing, the right thing. what do you make of states that say we will take this money away? >> the smart move would be to move the money to child care. move toyota child care and you'll see a number of work who are will then be able to go back to work.

there's always people that don't want to work but the vast majority of people want to go out. they believe that work carries dignity. like the president talks about. there's dignity in work and people want to go work but like you said, if you're kid will fot get taken care of, this is reality. i think this shows more than anything how absolutely disconnected from reality so many of these politicians are. the a average family is going through. they don't even get it. then to start shaming people. put that money to child care and you'll see millions of workers that will be able to go back. let's remember, there's still eight million less jobs today than year ago. we're not out of this mess by a long shot. >> pay people, give people smoun they can afford to go back to work. they haven't taken care of their own kids or drifren their own cars for years. there's wealthy, rich people who think that everybody else is lazy and a bum. i wish that more working class

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investigators with information since last year including about gaetz's activities and "the daily beast" reported that in a failed bid to obtain a pardon greenberg even penned a confessional letter that implicated gates in the conduct under investigation. now of course gaetz continues to deny any wrongdoing since he's never paid for sex. according to a law enforcement official officials wants to talk to gaetz's last girlfriend. her cooperation along with greenberg's could be the final steps. joining me is glen kirshner, former federal prosecutor. the obvious question, glen, would be would prosecutors go to the trouble of talking to this former intern spending all of this time playing all of this through with greenberg if they didn't intend to move on the congressman? >> that's a great question, joy. this has the feel when i heard the reporting about how the

investigators are now going to a former girlfriend/capitol hill intern of matt gaetz, here's what that feels like to me. they have gotten everything they could get out of joel greenberg and it's really important to understand that the prosecutors never would have made a plea offer, a plea deal to greenberg that, as you said, will be expiring this saturday so he's got to let the court know what he's going to do. they never would have made him that plea offer unless they had debriefed him, interviewed him, investigated what he had to say about the criminal activity of others and they were able to corroborate it and potentially use it against other targets like matt gaetz. now we're going to know soon enough whether greenberg is going to accept that plea offer, but it feels like they're now going to these other potential witnesses like gaetz former girlfriend to see whether that helps corroborate the

incriminating information that greenberg obviously gave the prosecutors in order to get this plea offer that he's got. >> let me tell you something, gaetz doesn't seem to be too bothered. he's going around like everything is fine. this is him on friday. he's at the villages with margie taylor green. he believes the democrats are sex traffickers of children. he doesn't seem to be looking at gaetz, here he was on friday making a joke. >> i already know how cnn's going to report it. matt gaetz has wild parties surrounded by beautiful women in the villages. to just get ready for it. >> ha, ha, ha, he's gross. should he be a bit more worried about, you know, given that greenberg's lawyer says, yeah, we're giving him something, these prosecuprosecutors. >> feels like gaetz believes the best defense is a good offense. that bravado may play well with

the residents of the villages but that will not play well with the jury when and if he is charged and hauled into court. he should keep laughing it up while he has the opportunity because everything that we've seen from greenberg and from others sure looks and let's remember, joy, this investigation was opened under the bill barr department of justice. if you're a donald trump loyalist and whatever you've done is a bridge too far for bill barr, it feels like you have a world of trouble coming your way. >> it could be that gaetz sort of just likes young looking girls. i'm grossed out even talking about him. i'm sorry if i look cringey but -- is it a defense if he thinks the young looking teeny bopper looking girls, he thinks they're over 18. if in his own mind he's not fully aware of their age? does that matter? >> there are lots of criminal

offenses on the books, federally and locally, because some of this could have violated the state laws of florida, some of them require a specific knowledge of the victim's age and some do not. there are some what colloquially we'll call a statutory rape offense we'll call the able. here's the thing. look at some of what joel greenberg is indicted for. it includes things like misusing his official position to go in and gin up false i.d.s, false florida driver's licenses. it doesn't spell out that he was doing that for under aged girls to make them seem like they were women, but it sure has that flavor when you read through the 33 federal felony charges indicted against greenberg. so if gaetz is any part of that, he may not have much of a defense that she looked older than she was. >> whew, sorry that i have to bring you on to talk about this stuff. we are where we are.

glen kirshner, you're great. thank you very much. appreciate you being here tonight. last night we ended the show with the latest on the tensions between israel and palestinians in the gaza strip. tonight those continue to escalate. they struck a suburb. nbc news reports that at least 30 palestinians including 10 children and 3 israelis have been killed amid the ongoing airstrikes. there is no sense that it will abate soon. this is the most intense fighting between israel and hamas since the 2014 war. while the u.n. secretary general called for an immediate end to the spiraling escalation, benjamin netanyahu said, earlier, it will take, quote, time to complete the mission. no word what the mission is or whether the u.s. will weigh in. it was ignited by the threatened

expulsion of the palestinians from their homes. we have updates on that as well. and does it for us on tonight's "reid out." "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >> tonight on "all in". >> these are not empty threats, these are real efforts to stop people from voting. >> while democrats are trying to nudge voter protections through the senate, arizona's republican governor signed a law to purge the early voter list. amy klobuchar and the states for democracy to try to protect the vote. >> to try to erase donald trump from the republican party is insane. the people who try to erase him are going to get erased. >> the move to erase the number three for not supporting the big lie.