that's happening tomorrow night. he will talk to the developer of the moderna vaccine, watch vaccinating america, a town hall tomorrow 10 pm that is "all in" on this tuesday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> is it okay for you and i to kick it's about how lawrence got a presidential interview before us? >> interesting. should we do this here? ha ha! >> i don't know. we don't have to do it in front of anybody. i think -- >> i mean, i'm sure -- >> it totally makes sense. >> good for him. >> yeah. >> these things pop up as news to me. i am like, all right, good for them. i am just here. joe biden, if you want to talk. >> that's exactly how i feel! a, i'm happy for lawrence. i am, b, like, lawrence? c, like, did everybody know this

was happening except for me? you had not heard it was coming up? >> i heard whisperings of it. we are going to watch it. we are excited for our colleague sitting with joe biden. >> true. >> zero professional jealousy emanating to off your television screens right now. >> ha! no matter what your lying eyes tell you! thank you. thank you very much. i appreciate the smokescreen, my friend. all right. >> thank you for joining us tomorrow. very happy to have you with us tonight. don't tell lawrence about that conversation. as we have been reporting tonight, tomorrow going to be a big day. the cdc's vaccine advisory committee meets to consider the recommendation to change the age eligibility for the pfizer vaccine that protects against covid. right now, that pfizer vaccine is authorized for use in people age 16 and older. tomorrow, they will take up the question of whether that should be change today age 12 and over. if, as expected, the cdc's advisory panel says yes to that and then the cdc itself agrees,

then the first 12, 13, 14, 15-year-olds could start getting vaccinated in this country, potentially as early as thursday morning, as early as the day after tomorrow. so that's a really big deal. that's a big next step. we will be talking more about that tonight. the vaccine rollout, of course, remains a complex thing. the anticipation of tomorrow's big pfizer decision comes tonight as the white house has also just told states that the states, they are not getting any doses of the johnson & johnson vaccine next week. johnson & johnson has been cleared in terms of safety concerns after a brief hiatus, but because johnson & johnson is one shot instead of two shots, because it is very well tolerated and effective, because it is easy to transport and to store at normal temperatures, a lot of states, a lot of entities, a lot of individual americans have a preference for the one-shot johnson & johnson vaccine, but that company has been plagued by production

shortfalls and glitches from the very beginning. apparently now, for the first time next week, that is going to result in the federal government not shipping j&j vaccines to the states at all, at least in the short term. so that's a very, very interesting development. we will be watching that closely. today is also now day five, believe it or not, of the shutdown of the largest fuel pipeline in the united states. the 5,000-mile-long colonial pipeline that runs all the way from the into new england boggles my mind this isn't even bigger news than it is. today is day five of the largest pipeline in the country being shut down because of cyberattackers who reportedly seized control of the computer networks of the company that operates that pipeline. the attackers then demanded that the company pay a ransom of some kind to get their stuff back. we don't know how much ransom was demanded.

we don't know if the ransom might have been paid by the company. the fbi is investigating this as a crime. the fbi says they have identified a russian and eastern european-based hacking group as responsible for the attack, but even with that, though, i mean, this pipeline is still down. five days into it, and this is the biggest fuel pipeline in the country. and you can't shut down something like that for five days without feeling it. and we are now feeling the first effects on the ground of this sort of frighteningly successful attack. gas stations running out of gas mostly in the southeast, increasingly up the eastern seaboard. some of that may be hoarding, as people are worried about supply shortages by filling up every tank they've got maybe. but hoarding can't explain why airlines now are having to reroute planes and add new stops for long-haul flights because they can't get the fuel they need to fly their regular schedules.

there is a real kink in the supply line here with this fuel pipeline shut down for five straight days. why is it taking so long to handle this problem? we don't really know. did the attackers gain access to the control systems for the pipeline? in addition to the corporate networks of the company that run it? we don't know at this time. these are crucial questions. we will have more on this ahead over the course of this hour. i will tell you we are keeping an eye out for a potential statement from the colonial pipeline operator. the white house says that pipeline operator may decide within the next 24 hours whether they are finally ready to fully restart that pipeline. if so, that will, obviously, be the beginning of the end to this mini crisis, but it is an unnerving one, regardless. we are watching that. more on that ahead. in politics tonight, this is one that i have felt a lot of different ways about all at once. it's either the biggest story in

the political world or the littlest tempest in a teapot, depending on whether you feel like the republican party right now is having its usual periodic moral convulsions, or whether you think they are going through something more extensionally serious, both for them as a political party, but also for us as a two-party democracy. regardless, whether or not you think this is something that will fade or whether this will be a benchmark in history, i have to tell you tonight, washington and the political world and the whole political news media for sure is absolutely riveted to this story, which we are also going to see play out over the next 24 hours now, in which the republican party is ousting one of its leaders for the grave crime of condemning the violent january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol by trump supporters, for the even more egregious crime of noting the truth that that attack was born out of a lie, that the republican party should maybe stop telling its

constituents this lie that somehow it was election fraud that put president biden in the white house and former president trump should be seen as a victim of that fraud who needs to be avenged, who should be returned to office because of something wrong with the 2020 election, when, in fact, there was nothing wrong with the 2020 election. wyoming republican congresswoman liz cheney is the third most senior republican in congress, she is due to be ousted tomorrow because she refuses to go along with the foundational lie of the trump era republican party. but, again, your mileage may vary on this story, right? before this year, before this scandal, i would venture a guess that 99% of us had no idea who was the number three republican in house leadership. is it that important a job? right? is the turnover of a person to a different person in that job really all that big of news? maybe not in the abstract. but in this case, the reason that she is being forced out of

that job, it absolutely is big news. if this is effectively our public notification of the new rules by which all republicans have to behave, or else. well, that's a story that we have been following as it has been brewing for more than a week now. now tonight, on the eve of what is expected to be her ouster from the house leadership, tonight just within this last hour, in advance of that vote to throw her out of her leadership job tomorrow morning, liz cheney got up on the house floor within this past hour and had something to say. she had this to say about her party leadership's devotion to a defeated and disgraced president. >> today, we face a threat america has never seen before. a former president who provoked a violent attack on this capitol in an effort to steal the election has resumed his aggressive effort to convince

americans that the election was stolen from him. he risks inciting further violence. millions of americans have been misled by the former president. they have heard only his words, but not the truth, as he continues to undermine our democratic process, sowing seeds of doubt about whether democracy really works at all. i am a conservative republican and the most conservative of conservative principles is reverence for the rule of law. the electoral college has voted. more than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple judges the former president appointed, have rejected his claims. the trump department of justice investigated the former president's claims of widespread fraud and found no evidence to support them. the election is over. that is the rule of law. that is our constitutional process.

those who refuse to accept the rulings of our courts are at war with the constitution. our duty is clear. every one of us who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. this is not about policy. this is not about partisanship. this is about our duty as americans. remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. i will not participate in that. i will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to undermine our democracy. we must speak the truth. our election was not stolen and america has not failed. we must love america so much that we will never yield in her defense. that is our duty.

thank you. >> on the eve of a vote that is expected to force her out of her leadership job in the republican party, wyoming congresswoman liz cheney, the daughter, of course, of former vice president dick cheney, speaking on the house floor, just within the past few minutes. and remarkable statement. a threat -- we face a threat america has never seen before. a former president who provoked a violent attack on this capitol in an effort to steal the election has resumed his aggressive effort to convince americans the election was stolen from him. he risks inciting further violence, she says. millions of americans have been misled by the former president. he continues to undermine our democratic process, sewing seeds of doubt about whether democracy works at all. the election is over. that's the rule of law. that is our constitutional

process. she describes the more than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple judges the former president appointed, have rejected his claims. that is the rule of law. that is our constitutional process. those who refuse to accept the rulings of our court are at war with the constitution. this is not about policy. this is not about partisanship. this is about our duty as americans remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. i will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to undermine our democracy. liz cheney not going quietly as they throw her out of her leadership role, unless they are going to vote to expel her out of congress, she is still going to be the congresswoman from wyoming whether or not she has a leadership role in name in the republican party. she is claiming a leadership role outside the formal party leadership which apparently requires fealty to this lie about the election and fealty to the former president no matter

how outlandish his claims in order to be a nominal leader in the party. and it's been a fascinating to thing to watch because this has been the chronicle of a political death foretold, right? as soon as we knew that liz cheney was teetering in washington, it seems like almost an inevitable conclusion she will be voted out, that there is nothing that can save her. that's just the way the republican party works right now. you crossed donald trump. you are seen as an enemy of trump and you are politically over, and so it was a question of how long it was being to take and how liz cheney would comport herself while she awaited her inevitable fate. it does seems like she is planning on being loud about it and not -- neither sort of simpering along with this fate, but also not going away, not willing to back down on it. "the washington post" had some really fascinating reporting

this weekend, it was matched by some reporting from cnbc about how liz cheney doesn't just plan to stay in congress and keep saying what she believes. she plans to escalate as much as she can her battle to try to turn the republican party away from trump and specifically, specifically the trump lie about election fraud having been the story of the 2020 election. so "the washington post" reporting this weekend about cheney's efforts to continue that fight, and the divide, part of what she sees is what's wrong with the republican party, the divide between her and the other republican leaders in the house. specifically, "the washington post" described a house republican retreat last month where the party had its officials run through for republican members of congress important internal republican party polling numbers. here's how "the post" explained it.

quote. when staff rose explain the party's latest polling in core battleground districts, they left out a key finding about trump's weakness, declining to divulge the information even when directly questioned about it. trump's unfavorable ratings were 15 points higher than his favorable ones. his unfavorable were 15 points higher than his favorable ratings in the core districts being discussed. according to the full polling results which were later obtained bit "washington post," nearly twice as many of voters had a unfavorable view. but they left that data out of the presentation they were making to house republican members because even when their own polling shows in their own house districts where their own members are going be running for re-election shows danger with associating themselves with donald trump, shows dangerous numbers in terms of his unpopularity, they are unwilling to voice those things outloud even to their own members because nothing bad can ever be

said about donald trump. that's something beyond showing loyalty. that's about willingness to -- willingness to hurt yourself. willingness to inflict political pain on yourself in order to, instead, display this other thing about the former president and the lies he is spinning to his base. and if you listen to -- i think a lot of the beltway press right now, you would be attempted to believe tomorrow's vote is happening because liz cheney is an insufficiently trumpy republican, that she hasn't supported the trump agenda the past four years when trump was president, that is absolutely not true. according to a poll, liz cheney voted with donald trump about 93% of the time, whereas the republican who is due to replace liz cheney in her leadership job, a new york

republican elise stefanik, she only voted with donald trump 78% of the time -- significantly less. in terms of policy, in terms of aligning herself with donald trump, in terms of how trump governed, cheney is much trumpier than elise stefanik. but that's proof this isn't at all about policy. it is about something else. it is about personality and it is about supplication. it's about performative sycophancy, bending the knee abjectly to donald trump. and in that respect, congresswoman stefanik has passed the test in ways that liz cheney couldn't. stefanik has emphatically endorsed the big lie about the 2020 election. liz cheney has stood by the obvious truth that joe biden won the 2020 presidential election fair and square. again, that vote to replace liz cheney with elise stefanik is expected to happen early tomorrow. joining us now is "washington post" national reporter michael

scherer, who is the lead by-line on that scoop about trump's bad polling numbers being omitted from a presentation at the last house republican retreat. a remarkable snapshot into what's going on inside the party now. thank you for being here. nice to see you. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> i mentioned a little bit my own sort of push me/pull you feelings on this story. i do think that it is important and that this may end up being a landmark moment in terms of how the republican party defines itself in the post-trump era. but i have to ask, with all the close reporting that you and your colleagues have done on this, how significant do you see tomorrow's vote and liz cheney's remarks tonight? >> i think they are significant. you got some of it in the opening there. donald trump wanted to make an example of liz cheney when she voted for impeachment. he sent out aides right away to wyoming to denounce her. he celebrated the republican party in that state when it

censured her. he commissioned a poll to show how unpopular she was. liz cheney is making clear tonight and i think you will see it tomorrow and days to come that instead of an example, he is getting a rival here and she is going kick this case the distance. i think they are event horizon here is longer than he thought it would be. she is not just looking to the next midterms. i think she will fight very hard for her seat. she may not win it, but she will fight hard to win re-election in wyoming. she is looking at this point to sort of carry the flag from a conservative point of view, from an old republican point of view of trying to push the party beyond trump. and in that, i think it's a real threat to the current republican party that house minority leader kevin mccarthy envisioned. his bet is the way they win the midterms and set themselves up for 2024 is to just gloss over

these divisions and don't scare the suburban moderates. don't scare the trump voters. get everybody to come out holding hands thinking about joe biden's overreach and how they want to check on democratic governance. if liz cheney follows through with what she is indicating she is going to do, that is going to complicate that not just over the next week or two, but through next year. >> what kind of assets and resources and pull does she bring it bear to that kind of a project as compared with some of the other republicans who we have seen at least for brief periods try to carry that same banner? we have seen strongly worded at least challenges to the perception of donald trump as the leader of the party from people like congressman adam kinzinger or briefly mitt romney of utah. what does liz cheney bring to this that others that have gone before her haven't? >> i don't think we know the answer to that. but you're right. there is a half dozen groups out

there, more than a half dozen former lawmakers, dozens of former bush aides and campaign strategists who go out every day and say donald trump is bad for the republican party. i think what liz brings, she is a rising star, she has the cheney name. she really has unblemished conservative credentials, she will continue to attack from the right. there won't be a moderate liz cheney that's going to suddenly appear at some point. she will continue to be a fierce opponent of joe biden and she is going to be making in a high-profile way that i think someone like adam kinzinger has not been able to do or mitt romney, the conservative case like you saw tonight that what president trump did on the 6th of january, what he is continue to do in denying the results of the election are an affront to the fundamentals of what the republican party is. and i think it's to be seen whether she gains traction there. i think some of is beyond her control. some polls suggest even though this is still very much trump's party, especially within the

mechanisms of the party, there is some dwindling of support in favorability for trump since january among republicans. and it is possible, there is one scenario here where donald trump continues to fight, you know, do what he has done, maybe finds his way back on to a social network in the coming months, but more and more republicans over the next year decide that maybe it's time to turn the page. if they are looking in that direction, she is going to be there, i think, to sort of give them a voice. now, whether, you know, i don't think we -- anyone can claim that this is anything but a tiny rebellion. it's another tiny rebellion against, you know, donald trump's party, and whether it succeeds is very much an open question. >> right. and it's a very important point, i think, in terms of the length of her event horizon here and how long a game she feels like she can play here and how many resources she can bring to bear. it's a really important way to look at it.

"washington post" national reporter michael scherer, it was nice to have you here. thank you so much. >> thank you. we have got much more ahead here tonight, including a dramatic court ruling tonight out of texas, of all places, that could radically change american politics in one key way. we've got details on that ahead. stay with us.

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former president trump is facing criminal investigations from prosecutors in two states. in new york state, the investigation concerns multiple allegations of business and financial fraud. in the state of georgia, the criminal investigations of the former president concerns potentially illegal election interference by the former president. tonight, that same prosecutor's office in georgia, state prosecutors in georgia have brought just a battleship of an indictment against the 22-year-old defendant who is charged with killing eight people at three different atlanta-area day spas a few weeks ago, in march. this indictment today alleges that the defendant chose his victims in part on the basis of their sex and race. so hate crimes charges have been brought against him. you may recall that of the eight people he is alleged to have killed, seven of the eight were women, six of the

seven women killed were of asian descent. prosecutors are going to seek the death penalty against him with these enhanced hate crime charges layered on top of multiple murder counts. again, this is not the federal justice department. these are state charges brought by state prosecutors in georgia. all the more striking, because georgia republicans in the state legislature there responded themselves to that gun massacre back in march by moving almost immediately after that horrific mass shooting to loosen gun laws even further in that state. just -- it was a remarkable thing at the time. a mass killing by a gunman who reportedly purchased the weapon he used in the killings just hours before he went out and shot and killed all of those people. georgia republicans responded to that by loosening georgia gun laws even more. apparently, they wanted to move quickly after that gun massacre to smooth the path for the next

guy who decides he plans to spend his day in georgia. just incredible. on that same front, big, big news late today, big bad news for the entity more responsible than any other person, place, or thing in america for our country becoming the most heavily armed nation on earth. for america becoming in our time the land of multiple mass civilian shootings every single day. today's bad news for the national rifle association, for the nra, happened in a north texas courtroom, and the ruling from the judge is one of those i started highlighting on page one and then i ran out of highlighter. it's just, i mean, this is one of those rulings that, you know, serves the definitive legal purpose. it's also written so clearly and so bluntly, it has the effect of just explaining this whole thing to the public, too, to those of us who have been watching this case in particular and wondering if this might be finally the start of the end of the nra.

let's me just read from the start of the ruling. united states bankruptcy is i court, northern district of texas, dallas division, in re national rifle association of america, united states bankruptcy judge harlen dwayne hale. this is the judge's order. quote. the national rifle association of america, the nra, is a 150-year-old organization. they have approximately 5 million members. the nra asserts they are the nation's foremost defender. the attorney general for the state of new york conducted a 15 month long investigation of the nra that according to the attorney general revealed widespread misuse of assets by the nra's executive vice president wayne lapierre and his circle of insiders for their own personal benefit. nine months ago the new york attorney general filed a lawsuit

seeking dilution, seeking the dissolving of the national rifle association based on allegations that the nra has conducted business in a persistently illegal manner and abused its powers by operating without effective oversight or control, and number two, the directors or members in control of the nra have looted or wasted the corporate assets, have perpetuated the corporation solely for their personal benefit or have otherwise acted in an illegal, oppressive or fraudulent manner. the nra seeking the bankruptcy code to preserve itself in the face of litigation that argues poses an existential threat. the question the court is faced with is whether the existential threat facing the nra is the type of threat that the bankruptcy code is meant to protect against. the court believes it is not. the judge continues, quote, for the reasons stated herein, the court finds there is cause to

dismiss this bankruptcy case as not having been filed in good faith, both because it was filed to gain an unfair litigation advantage and because it was filed to avoid state regulation. so this is a bankruptcy court ruling out of federal court, federal bankruptcy court in texas. very bad news for the nra. therefore, it's potentially huge news for whether the united states of america is ever going to deal with having an ongoing and ever worsening plague of gun violence like no country has seen in history of the world. just that. no biggie. but what happened here in this case is that the nra had the ancient misfortune to be founded right after the civil war back in 1871 in new york state. it's not headquartered in new york state anymore. it hasn't been for a long while. that's where it was founded and that's where it its charter as a non-profit in new york state. it is, therefore, regulated as a non-profit under new york state law.

and among other things, new york state law says you can't loot the place to line your own pockets if you are running a non-profit in the state of new york. in august of last year, attorney general james brought a lawsuit against the nra on the basis of new york state law and her case alleged that the nra was so corrupt that its executives were self-dealing and spending money on themselves and their cronies to such a flagrant and wanton extent, that state of new york was going to use state law to dissolve them, to demand restitution to the tune of tens of millions of dollars from specific named nra executives that the state says were involved in the corruption. so a bunch of whistleblower claims. a bunch of investigative journalism. now this more than year long new york investigation is how and why we have learned in recent

months that while your lovable, rabid gun fan nra member great uncle has been scraping together his hard-earned cash every month to send had in his dues so he can make sure he has his nra sticker on his bumper, what the nra has been spending your uncle's actual money on is like italian silk suits that are literally $275,000 worth of amazing italian suits for one nra executive. one nra executive. he had the nra pay for these after he personally selected them at a beverly hills boutique. it's one thing to read in the newspaper about that kind of thing allegedly happening at the nra. it's another thing in this trial to have it all confirmed and to get to hear that nra executive, wayne lapierre, try to make it sound okay, that this is what nra dues paying members were actually, in the end, paying for.

>> now, mr. lapierre, you are familiar with the store in beverly hills, california, called zina? >> i am. >> and you'll see here on exhibit 339, did you ever see exhibit 339 before today? >> yes, i have seen this. >> and do you know under what circumstances -- the -- the letter represents -- it involves clothing purchases by ackerman mcqueen on your behalf. and in the letter, mr. winkler says they wore -- your ward -- we need to address your wardrobe, your requirement to provide specifically purchases in the zina store in beverly hills, california. do you see that? >> i do. >> due to the substantial nature of the total, this dollar number

of 274,65.03, do you see that? >> i do. >> and attached is a list of purchases by date and amount. do you see that on the back? >> i do see that. >> all right. and did you receive from the zina store clothing in the value of $274,695.03 paid for by ackerman mcqueen? >> i never saw the receipts. >> and you did not pay for the suits, correct? >> correct. >> so the suits were a gift, correct? >> no. >> okay. >> they were work wardrobe. >> they were work wardrobe. $274,695.03 that wayne lapierre required us to provide specifically in purchases from this one store in beverly hills, california.

$274,695 worth of suits bought for wayne lapierre from the nra but it was for work. it was either that or the uniform jumpsuits with the name on the patch? we decided that $275,000 worth of italian silk suits would be a better use of nra dues-paying members' money. so that's what wayne got for himself. that was just one piece of it. "my work wardrobe." doesn't everybody get a work wardrobe like that? $275,000 worth of italian suits. there was also wayne and his family using nra member dues to pay for repeated jet trips to and from various family homes and the bahamas. also his conflicts of interest, which also always seemed to result in a little something nice for wayne, like the guy whose firm wayne lapierre signed off on, receiving contracts worth millions of dollars in payments from the nra after that

same guy repeatedly let wayne stay on his 108-foot yacht, which included a full crew, including a chef, some jet skis and an extra smaller boat that like rode along on top of the giant yacht. thanks, nra dues paying members. wayne made sure your money went to that guy. that guy let wayne use his yacht with the crew and the chef. when the nra -- when this started to get exposed, when the nra got caught for this stuff in this corruption and self-dealing scandal, wayne, that same executive, the guy with the suits and the private jet trips for his family and the yacht vacation bribes and the rest of it, he came up with what he was sure was an escape hatch. he thought that he had come up with a get out of jail free card for the nra. he thought he came up with a magic trick that would prevent the nra from getting shut down by the attorney general of new

york state. at least he thought that is what he had discovered. what he tried is he tried to declare bankruptcy, to basically dissolve the nra on their own terms in new york and then they would reincorporate themselves across the country in texas, where i guess wayne thought, you know, state law wouldn't be used against him no matter how many more suits he bought with nra members' dues. well, today, this federal judge in bankruptcy court in texas ruled that escape hatch doesn't work for this. there is no such escape hatch for the nra. avoiding getting in trouble for running your supposed charity like you were auditioning for the live wikipedia word theater of the world embezzlement, that's not what bankruptcy court is for. you can't use declaring bankruptcy that way. you can't use it for a shield against the kind of litigation that new york state is bringing to bear against nra, which they are -- against the nra which they are going to use to shut the nra down. here is judge hale again here

today. quote. based on the statements of counsel and the evidence of record, the court finds that the primary purpose of this bankruptcy filing was to avoid potential dissolution of the nra and the new york attorney general's case. the court not in any way saying that they can make the required showing to obtain dissolution of the nra, but this court is saying that the bankruptcy code does not provide a sanctuary from this kind of threat. he says, quote, this is not an appropriate use of bankruptcy. he concludes, this constitutes cause for dismissal. so the nra's effort to declare themselves bankrupt and thereby escape what is waiting for them in new york state has failed. the nra can not declare itself bankrupt to avoid being potentially shut down by the attorney general of new york. escape hatch closed. that means the case against the nra now continues with them clearly having no get out of jail free card.

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call today. gun safety groups have been celebrating today's thunder clap ruling against the nra by a federal judge in texas who ruled that the nra cannot escape a new york lawsuit that aims to end the organization, that aims to dissolve it as an organization. the nra had tried to declare bankruptcy to avoid that fate. a federal bankruptcy judge today blocked that, told them, no, they can't do it. the president of every town for gun safety said in response, quote, today's disastrous decision for the nra shows that they can't even file for bankruptcy correctly, which doesn't bode well for the many lawsuits and investigations they must now face. shanann watts, founder of moms demand action, said this, quote. we showed the world the nra could be taken on and beaten. not only by exposing them but by notching victories in statehouses, school boards, city councils and board rooms.

the nra got its clock cleaned in court, but the gun safety movement is stronger than ever. joining us is shanann watts joining us is shanann watts and after the sandy hook shooting she pushed for moms for stronger gun safety laws. she has been following this nra trial very closely. nice to see you. we spoke at the outset of this trial. i have been looking forward to hearing your reaction to today's ruling. >> you know, i would offer the nra my thoughts and prayers. as the judge found out today, the only faith the nra is bad faith. and this filing for bankruptcy ended up just being a disaster and a colossal mistake for the nra. it was a hail mary to avoid accountability. the court saw through it. they properly dismissed for lack of merit. and really, it's a victory for the accountability of the nra but for the rule of law. >> the executives who are named in the new york lawsuit include wayne lapierre, who has been the

public facing head of the nra for a long time now. he is also ascribed much of the sort of egregious financial mismanagement that's alleged in the new york case against the group. if that new york case is successful, not only would the nra be dissolved as an organization, but mr. lapierre would be -- they would be seeking millions of dollars in essentially restitution from him and he would be banned from ever holding this kind of gig ever again in any sort of non-profit. it does feel like the stakes are as high as they could possibly be for the people who have been running that corner of the pro-gun anti-gun reform movement. >> absolutely. the nra used to be a power broker. now they are just broken. the road ahead of them has gotten so much harder. they are to go back to fighting all of these various litigations across the country against former donors, angry vendors.

and they also have to face lawsuits from the new york attorney general, the d.c. attorney general, and this news really comes at the very worst time for the nra because the discussion about background checks in the senate is just heating up. and so it will be onerous, if not impossible, for the nra to lobby lawmakers, which they always do, while fighting court battles and their mounting debt. >> do you think that the background check legislation has a path through the united states senate? >> absolutely, i do. you know? we are having positive conversations with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. this is something 90% of americans support. 89% of gun owners. only one in ten even belongs to the nra. 87% of republicans. this return to normal after covid also means the return of shooting tragedies across the country. it is time, after 25 years, for congress to act.

it's the right president, it's the right congress and we are going to make sure this gets done. >> shanann watts, the founder of moms demand action, thanks for being here tonight. now this bankruptcy ruling means the new york cases are going ahead, i imagine, we will be tracking that with you in days ahead. >> looking forward to it. thank you. >> more ahead. stay with us tonight. us tonight ♪ no-no-no-no-no please please no. ♪ i never needed anyone. ♪ front desk. yes, hello... i'm so... please hold. ♪ those days are done. ♪ i got you. ♪ all by yourself. ♪ go with us and find millions of flexible options. all in our app. expedia. it matters who you travel with.

it has now been five days since biggest fuel pipeline in america was hacked. we don't know if the company paid the ransom. this is a pipeline that distributes gasoline and diesel

fuel and oil to heat up people's homes and a significant amount of jet fuel which means the implications of this pipeline being down for days are pretty staggering. without fuel running through the colonial pipeline, gas stations in parts of the east coast are running out of gasoline, particularly in the southeast. gas stations in georgia, alabama, tennessee, the carolinas, florida, and virginia some gas stations in all of those states had empty tanks today. four states have all declared states of emergency. georgia, virginia, north carolina and florida to try to deal with fuel shortages. american airlines announced today that all direct flights from charlotte, north carolina, from others will have to make a stop along the way to refuel because there isn't enough jet fuel in north carolina right now to power those long haul flights to their destination without stopping. southwest is flying in planes of fuel from tennessee to try to

supplement the dwindling local fuel supply because of the pipeline shutdown. the thing that is distressing even though we don't know whether a ransom was paid, it really appears like this is not ending any time soon. the company that operates the pipeline says they are expecting to resume full operations by the ends of the week. the white house says that we should expect some sort of decision potentially to be announced by the company as soon as tomorrow. but even if that happens, fuel moves slowly through big pipeline like this at 5 miles an hour so at tt rate it will two weeks for make the fuel from the pipeline to where it ends. this is one for the record books and it is not over yet. e for ths and it is not over yet do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy, even a term policy, for an immediate cash payment. call coventry direct to learn more. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly

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if i have glowing a little green through your your screen, it's mixed with pride and appreciation and happiness for my beloved colleague but also i am green with envy because, the tomorrow night the one and only lawrence o'donnell has a one-on-one interview with president oe biden. in addition, lawrence is also joined by dr. anthony fauci, by

murthy and moderna vaccine coordinator. vaccinating america, msnbc town hall tomorrow at 10:00 p.m. don't miss it. don't tell lawrence i'm jealous. "way too early" with kasie hunt is up next. ♪♪ this is not about policy. this is not about partisanship. this is about our duty as americans. remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. i will not participate in that. i will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to undermine our democracy. >> there you go. ahead of an expected vote to oust her as gop conference chair. congresswoman liz cheney