hi there, everyone. 4:00 in the east. adopting a policy of appeasement to make chamberlain blush. mccarthy continued the appeasement of donald trump and the big lie that the 2020 election is illegitimate with a vigor not displayed in any policy fight in the tone your as leader of the house republicans. liz cheney purged from the leadership ranks, the ranks of the house republicans for refusing to parrott a lie, a lie that in her view threatens our democracy. here was her farewell message on the eve of this morning's vote. >> today we face a threat america has never seen before. a former president who provoked a violent attack on this capitol in an effort to steal the

election resumed the aggressive effort to convince americans that the election was stolen from him. he risks inciting further violence. millions of americans have been misled by the former president. they have heard only his words but not the truth. as he continues to undermine our democratic process sowing seeds of doubt about whether democracy works at all. remaining silent and ignoring the lie emboldens the liar. i will not participate in that. i will not sit back and watch in silence while others lead our party down a path that abandons the rule of law and joins the former president's crusade to understand mine our democracy. we must speak the truth. our election was not stolen. and america has not failed. i received a message last week from a gold star father who said

standing up for the truth honors all who gave all. we must all strive to be worthy of the sacrifice of those who have died for our freedom. >> left unsaid by cheney of course is that those who lie like mccarthy and the overwhelming number of republicans in congress are there for unworthy of that sacrifice. the vote today was made behind closed doors. republicans didn't topple cheney in the open and conducted it as a voice vote. apparently they couldn't bring themselves to put a vote count on the record. all that despite this warning from cheney in advance of the vote. nbc news reporting on cheney's private remarks this morning. quote, we cannot let the former president drag us backward and make us complicit in his efforts to unravel our democracy. down that path lies our destruction, and potentially the destruction of our country. if you want leaders who will enable and spread his

destructive lies i'm not your person. you have plenty of others to choose from and that will be their legacy. and just moments after being ousted cheney publicly committed to doing everything in her power to cheep donald trump away from the oval office. >> i will do everything i can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the oval office. we have seen the dangers that he continues to provoke with his language. we have seen his lack of commitment and dedication to the constitution. and i think it's very important that we make sure whomever we elect will be faithful to the constitution. >> the gop is a threat to democracy in the words of cheney is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. rick stengel is here and yamiche

alcinder and david jolly. lucky for us, especially on days like this, all three msnbc contributor. i want to start with you, rick, and this idea of appeasing donald trump with the expectation of what? fill in the blank because he's never satisfied. he never stops and this feels like a line after january 6 that kevin mccarthy could have drawn if he'd wanted to. >> [ inaudible ] >> rick, we are going to work on your -- rick, we are going to work on your connection. this is still television in the time of zoom. david, same question to you. this is again mccarthy in the public way and brutal internal fight, sacrificing liz cheney as part of a leadership team to appease donald trump.

to what end in your view? >> yeah. i like your question that couldn't this be a moment to draw the line because he did. within a week of january he said this is the doing of the president and must be held accountable. what changed is he went to marlo -- mar-a-lago and got assurance that he will be the next speaker of the house. he hangs a portrait of himself in his own office and would give up anatomy to be speaker of the house and what we see from him is the most selfish form of leadership. trying to elevate himself, by his party back to the majority caucus to be speaker of the house. what cheney did is to stand up for the country and the constitution. she did the right thing. a lot of people applaud her today. i think the question for cheney and republicans is what next?

as bold as liz cheney has been, as much leadership as she's shown in this moment she is welcomed into a vast minority of the republican party. the senate has romney. the house has cheney. but the question is how do you keep donald trump from getting to the oval office? does liz cheney stay? leaf the congress to try to lead the movement? >> yamiche, mccarthy is a lot of things. i think david jolly listed some of them. he's proven himself today standing before the sacred structure that is the white house that you cover a liar. watch what he said today and then i've got the tape. >> i don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election. i think that is all over with. we are sitting here with the president today. so from that point of view i

don't think that's a problem. >> so kevin mccarthy is the reason that the big lie took hold. mccarthy and mcconnell are the reason that i think it's -- i want to get the number right but i think it's 70% of republicans who don't believe what he just said. among the republicans 70% do not believe that joe biden is legitimate. only 23% do. i want to ask you about the white house's sort of tolerance for flagrant lying from the republican leader of the house. still going to work with him on infrastructure? >> well, in an era that has been traumatic as it has been bizarre and historic today stands out. mccarthy stands out. standing in front of the white house just a few minutes after walking out of a meeting with a president that former president

is clearly trying to delegitimatize and stood before reporters to say that no one is questioning the legitimacy of the election. we know and he knows that's not true and the idea that former president trump knows that's not true and as much as he is trying to align himself with the president who will watch that and not be happy? president trump. he wants all republicans in line saying this election was stolen from him and it is interesting to me that mccarthy chose to say that in that moment because we know that's not what the party line and messaging is and why we saw cheney ousted today. i'm talking to white house officials all day about that. i talked to an official saying that they spoke to president biden about that statement by mccarthy and told that the president biden's response was really muted and he feels a sense of duty to be graceful to

work with republicans in any way he can and officials tell me after decades in washington president biden is used to looking past slights and the way the white house is couching this saying in the meeting 90 minutes they talked about infrastructure and specifically areas to work out things on and that's hard infrastructure and competing with china but all of this is to say there's a big elephant in the room every time a republican comes to the white house because they're trying to delegitimatize president biden and can't be underscored enough. >> for liz cheney, david jolly, it was a bridge too far. here's cheney in an interview with our colleague savannah guthrie talking about what you alluded to, what comes next. >> are you the leader of the opposition in exile right now in the republican party? >> i intend to be the leader, one of the leaders in a fight to help to restore our party and a fight to bring the party back to substance and principles and in

a fight to make clear that we won't participate in a really dangerous effort that's under way. >> people frame this as a battle for the soul of the republican party. >> this is the opening salvo in that battle and a battle we have to win. because it is not just about the republican party. it's about the country. >> the trump political team is actively looking to coalesce around a primary challenger to you. what is their message to them? >> bring it on. >> so david, i am thinking of the polling data that liz cheney knows was suppressed from the peers saying bring it on because the guy under investigation for sex with an underage girl went to the state to taunt her. and the truth about sort of a structure of the midterms is

there's enthusiasm for donald trump but more -- his own favorables are higher than they have ever been in his national political life. do you think liz cheney feels confident about keeping the seat in congress? >> look. i'd leave that to wyoming voters to decide if cheney stays. in terms of the environment you raise an interesting point. cheney is taking a bet that there are enough republicans or historically republican performing voters. might be independents or some soft democrats that are willing to go along with this kind of liz cheney movement. but again it comes down to whether or not the numbers are there. we don't know if it is. one thread that's interesting that republicans don't want liz cheney focused on is republicans as close as they ally with donald trump don't want to run with donald trump in 2022. they want to run against joe biden and the reason cheney

complicating that republican path is talking about donald trump and january 6 rightly so i would think and republicans say no, no, no, no, we want to focus on running against the biden agenda. where republicans are disingenuous saying he is talking about yesterday and we want to talk about tomorrow she has to because donald trump didn't go away. if donald trump went away after the presidency and wasn't a present danger to the republican party and the republic at large perhaps they would have a case to make but donald trump is clear, controlling the republican party and today's republican party amplifies the anti-democratic narrative. liz cheney is trying to defeat that but might be in the minority trying to do so. >> david, let me just offer this. they would have talked about joe biden if they voted to impeach and convict donald trump.

that would have been the way to close the chapter on the trump era. he incited an attack on them. there was a process, liz cheney led the republicans for impeachment if you will. ten of them voted to impeach. there was a way to do what you just said if they wanted a fight about big government versus whatever they stand for now. they could have. we were all on tv together. they could have voted to convict donald trump. they passed. i don't think it's on liz cheney to talk about trump but back to the top they keep appeasing him and rick probably knows more about this than i do but appeasement in the '30s was very popular, avoiding waur. they are appeasing him but i think what liz cheney sees with the knowledge of the history is the war looms ahead because of them and didn't impeach him and hold him accountable.

>> can you hear me now? i will weigh in. i missed a little bit of that. >> yes. >> part of the problem, i'm sure they said this already, is that there is no ideological center of the republican party anymore. what do people actually believe? i can talk about what the republicans believed in the '50s and '60s and '70s but it's hard to say what they believe now because of trump they became a cult party. they believe in donald trump and now you have liz cheney saying i don't believe in donald trump. as the old saying if you don't know where you're going any road will take you mr. there. the republican party doesn't have a direction and because trump takes up the air in the room he is a restraining force on the party. when he's gone who knows what will happen? maybe everybody said that already but that seems to be what the situation is right now. >> rick, i saved this for you. i think that you're hitting on

something that's central to understanding what motivates liz cheney and she still believes in some republican staff and you can hate the republican stuff but the stuff she believes in is that democracies are a bull work against violence and terrorism and here she is talking about that in her speech last night. let me play that for you. >> in 1992, i sat across a table from a young mayor in russia and i listened to him talk of the dream of liberating his nation from communism. years later, for his doed case to the cause of freedom, he was assassinated by vladimir putin's thugs. in warsaw in 1990, i listened to a young polish woman tell me her greatest fear is that people would forget, forget what it was like to live under soviet domination. that they would forget the price of freedom. i have seen the power of faith

and freedom. i listened to pope john paul ii speak to thousands in nairobi in 1985. 19 years later i watched this same pope take my father's hands, look in his eyes and say god bless america. god has blessed america, mr. speaker, but our freedom only survives if we protect it. >> rick, i listened to that a couple times. i think she is saying that the party jeopardizes the american experiment. it jeopardizes our democracy. it jeopardizes our freedoms. it is just as frail as those emerging democracies that she talked about. i knew her working at the state department and she -- you know, this is her belief system and lumps in the trumpian republican party as a threat to democracy. >> yes. i agree. her speech was powerful. saying you can't support the big

lie and support the constitution at the same time that went right to the very heart of it. every person in that chamber takes an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states and she sees her party as undermining that, as the people in her party don't care about that oath and are allowing a former president to undermine our democracy. that's as basic and as deep as it goes and that's why she says the democracy is in danger. >> i want to play. we talked about romney and cheney. she has a wing person in the house. it's adam kinzinger. >> i'm all for unity and truth. truth cannot coexist with lies and falsehoods. you cannot unify with that and i think that's what liz has been saying. to the base voters that believe the election was stolen i don't blame them because the leaders

told them the same thing. that's why it's pompt for people to tell the truth. >> let me show you what he's talking about. we put together, the point he's making is made by one of the various people that stood on the front steps of the white house today. let me show you this. >> if you count the legal votes i easily win. if you count the illegal votes they can try to steal the election from us. >> everyone who's listening. do not be quiet. do not be silent about this. we cannot allow this to happen before our eyes. >> the media can project but doesn't decide the winner. >> president trump is 100% within his rights to look into allegations of irregularities and weigh his legal options. >> we need to fight back. we win because of our ideas and lose elections because they cheat us. >> as you know there's a long

pattern mail-in voting is susceptible to fraud, much more susceptible to irresponsible partisan operatives trying to steal votes. >> if you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore. >> all that happened before the insurrection, before the attack on the capitol. the reason 70% of republicans don't believe the truth is because all those clowns and i apologize to my viewers for showing them that but proves the point. they didn't do this in secret. they did it in open air in service of donald trump. >> that's right. what's remarkable i think about that great montage that you just showed is that you can move that same montage to february and then march and april and may now where we are and you would still see republicans talking about this even after president biden was inaugurated and what adam is saying is we need to be leading the voters. of course leaders are doing the

will of the people but he is saying we bear responsibility talking about republican leaders, we bear responsibility to explain to voters that sometimes we lose. sometimes even when you try your best you don't come home with the win and some ways i think about john mccain in this moment and the voter that said that president obama was a muslim and john mccain who he could have run on that fervent and said i will take that and run on fear and run on lies and conspiracy theories and he took that voter to say he is a decent man, he's not a muslim. we can still beat him and i want to make sure that the policies are enacted but we don't have to run on lies. that is not the republican party right now. the people who are loudest and who have the power in the republican party are not those republicans but the republicans who are going to really dig in, work on fear, work on conspiracy theories and what is important is to note they work on the 2016

strategy that works in 2016. it didn't work in 2018 and 2020 when they lost the presidency so i think republicans making this bet and democrats are making the bet to focus on infrastructure and covid and fighting the things that americans dealing with they'll best the republicans in this strategy. >> such a good point. i was in the room when he said that. we have disagreements but he is an american, a good american. to see the republican party lurch back is so disappointing. you're all sticking around for more. some gop leaders actually defended the rioters. yes, that really happened and the ex-president at the time who incited them. we'll bring you the exchange and talk with a member who was there that day and as they debate what wept on that day the attorney general, the homeland security secretary also up on capitol hill touting the

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did you speak with president trump at all as the attack was unfolding? >> on january 6th? >> yes. >> no, i did not.

>> let me now turn to you, mr. rosen. you were the acting attorney general on january 6. and you reported directly to the president. did you speak to president trump at all on january 6? >> i did not. i did not require any authorities that the department didn't already have. >> well, i think that the lack of direct communication from president trump speaks volumes. >> two former officials from the last administration testifying at a house hearing today that the former president had no role in the push to clear and protect the capitol building on the day of the insurrection. while christopher miller and jeffrey rosen defended their responses to the january 6 attack for their part house republicans fresh off removing cheney from the leadership post for refusing to lie about the

former president's role in inciting the insurrection resorted to gaslighting why the comments so far removed from reality that we'll show you side by side with what did happen that day. >> the truth is being censored and covered up. as a result the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! fie you didn't know the footage is a video from january 6 you would think it was a normal tourist visit. >> help! aa! >> many democrats have put forth a narrative that has been circulating since january 6 and never corrected. for example, the narrative that president trump incited the riots on january 6. >> we're going to walk down to

the capitol. and we are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we'll probably not cheering so much for some of them. if you don't fight like hell you won't have a country anymore. >> joining the conversation is delegate stacy plaskett representing the u.s. virgin islands. the panel is still here, as well. congresswoman, did you feel like new information was gleaned in today's hearing? >> i didn't think there was much new information. it was kind of stark that these individuals who had responsibility to prospect the capitol and the democracy say they had no conversation with the president during that time. nor did they come to defend the capitol, its representatives or the election on that day.

and the gaslighting as you call it, the outright lies of my colleagues created an almost untenable situation in the capitol to date. >> congresswoman, i watched you and your fellow impeachment managers present this case and while republicans did not play a constructive role in the house or in the trial save for a handful, there was a sense of seriousness and seems to have deinvolved into what the congressman took today, an event to -- it's hard to understand what the effort was but how disturbed are you by the real attempt to rewrite the events of 1/6 on the part of some republicans? >> you know, this is what comes as a precursor to the destruction of a democracy. and we are as i had feared in

the beginning and in the midst of a cold civil war here in this country and that civil war is an ideological one and it's for the very soul of this democracy. when you have the elected officials who are here on the day of january 6 absolutely speaking utder lies, calling individuals who attempted to kill police officers as patriots and assassinated these are the same individuals who are atoempbts to create an america first caucus one based on anti-semitism, on white supremacy. and those are the same individuals that will bring us down. so it's really important that we have continual shining the light on this, journalists like yourself and at the same time having a president like president biden who continues to work on the issues that real americans are concerned with. having jobs, having health care,

having opportunity and income and equality as well as wealth creation and that's what the rest of us are also trying to do here in the capitol at the same time. >> how do you take the public statements of the last 20 hours from liz cheney who i'm guessing on policy there's not a ton of common ground but on the question of democracy and on the threats you just articulated seeing the threats the same way, that a democracy can't coexist with a lie on the attack on the country. how do you take that threat to the democracy that the rest of the house republicans represent and work with someone like liz cheney to make shire that that'd only doesn't drive more attacks on you and the capitol and anywhere else? >> i take what she says and i

respect her for it. the people of the virgin islands that brought me here to woman with whomever have commonality with us and issues important to the people that i represent. i would also state, however, that liz cheney and others while i don't agree with them on ideology on many respects there's one issue that i do have with them even with rashd to defending the democracy is that while we agree on what's happening within the republican party the voices were not heard a year, two, three, four years ago cha president trump when he embedded these ideas into the party and allowed them to flourish why the voices were not heard then. it is only now that they see that the house is burning down that they decided to say something but not when the smoke originally was there. >> not all of them but two to

our count. thank you so much for spending some time with us. >> thank you. i want to quickly -- thank you. yamiche, i want you to react to what she said of commonality of the question of protecting the democracy. there's an issue of the creation of the commission that looks narrowly at the attack on all of them. that doesn't get enough attention as a thing that ruptured the relationship between cheney and mccarthy. do you think she can play a role to push that forward noy that speaker pelosi appointed a team to start negotiating? >> it is possible. there's so many unanswered questions looking at january 6 that a commission talking to democrats they are really feeling like a commission is so needed and it needs to be focused narrowly because this is a historic day, a traumatic day and the democracy was attacked by a mob of supporters whose

minds were poisoned but you have republican who is are really trying to protect the republican brand and want to say let's broaden that out and look at black lives matter and protesters nothing to do with the actual assault on the democracy on january 6 so i think there's real contention on what that commission actually becomes and how that deal is struck. my understanding is that there is a feeling that that deal will be able to be struck but liz cheney's role in that i think could be interesting. the issue is that now that she is sort of out on the outside of the republican party leadership she is on the outside of the party with the influence and at this point trying to influence the party and voters not to go in the wrong direction but she is not in the best position of striking deals. >> everything has a consequence. the heads of the justice

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in the fbi's view the top threat we face coming from racially or ethnically motivated extremists. >> i have not seen a more dangerous threat to the democracy than the invasion of the capitol. >> wow.

that was the attorney general garland today on what he says is the biggest security threat against the country and joined by homeland security secretary testifying before the senate appropriations committee on how their departments are working to fight violent extremism which the intelligence community warned poses an elevated risk this year. garland with dhs and the intelligence community have issued new guidance on tracking and identifying domestic terrorism which could hopefully help prevent and predict another attack like what happened on january 6 and told lawmakers that the justice department has made more than 430 arrests in that investigation. we are back with rick, yamiche and david. rick, it is so striking that the canary in the mine was christopher wray who at the end of the summer before the election testified to just that. he said the biggest bucket, the

biggest threat is violent extremist and in the bucket is white supremacists and notable that no one said the same thing. not the secretary of homeland security. not then attorney general barr. now at least you see this whole of government approach to fighting the greatist threat to the home land. >> yes. director wray was forthright and candid saying it's the greatest threat to the country and as someone that worked at the state department against foreign terrorism, you can't say this too many times. since 9/11 there have been about 85 attacks on the homeland considered domestic terrorism. 75% of those attacks were by extreme white ring terrorist organizations. not by foreign terrorist groups. this is not a new phenomenon. and as merrick garland said it's worse in the obama administration. i remember when i was at "time"

we did a cover story on the rise of illegal private militias which were growing in part with a black president. and then you have january 6th which is now a kind of symbol of propaganda for the groups and that's what was so scary about the montage that you showed of people in the republican party who are trying to prop gandize what happened on january 6. that is a cowbell that terrorist groups in america are listening to. and the thing is and as everybody flows and the department of homeland security is beefing up the funding we spent billions and billions trying to combat international terrorism. we need to spend a lot of money to combat domestic terrorism. >> and, david, the attorney general spoke to the nightmare scenario, those two joining up. here he is on questions about the potential for an

intersection between terrorists from abroad syncing up with white extremists. >> there's reporting of those in the u.s. communicating online and traveling overseas for training. can you talk about the extent to which you're seeing an increase or if you are seeing an increase in those connections and what we're doing to try and address that? >> i can't give a sense of the magnitude of the problem but i do think that we have to worry about interactions between domestic violent extremist particularly racially and ethnically motivated with similar groups particularly in europe with similar ideological bents sharing information. we are looking at this problem and it is very much on our mind.

>> so david, there's that and then there's this idea that everything that the republicans do suggests that they're winning, their influence, that feelty to the big lie is a litmus test. >> sure. look. very importantly extremist groups will find common cause domestically and internationally. we know that to be the case. i think it's also important to recognize how foreign nation states participate in a disinformation campaign that excites and mobilizes the domestic terror cells. the extremist race-based groups who feed on misinformation. the very way in which russia tried to manipulate the 2016 elections is through manipulation of information and why republicans today are terrified of a january 6

commission because a january 6 commission would open up two angles. the events that precipitated january and then secondly donald trump's decision makes in the moment of january 6 but why the first part is so important and the powerful moments of the testimony to contextualize the behavior in january 6 because understand how it happened. donald trump laid the big capit. that type of behavior is what excites the extremist groups and why the attorney general is asking for resources to go after them. >> and that specificity of conduct, come and then telling them to march and then saying i will go with you. rick, yamiche, david, thank you so much for spending so much of this hour with us when we come back, president biden today with news

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"premonition." i'm a fan. i have to ask you if this book felt for you like a continuation of the last book, because so much of this is about structure decisions that almost make it preordained that we would have such a calamitous response to covid. >> the last book was "the fifth risk" looking at the federal government as a manager of a portfolio of existential risks. the only tool for dealing with those risks. the question is, like, what happens when the person who is in charge of it doesn't care or doesn't manage them or isn't being briefed about it. so it was a question left on the floor if "the fifth risk." what is the thing that's going to happen where we'll pay a price to. so it's absolutely in that sense a continuation of the story, bull i've got to say it didn't turn out exactly as i thought it would be.

if you had asked me before the pandemic what ma story would be. i would have thought. what was so interesting to me if your mind just stopped at donald trump, no matter how much you despised him, you would never address the deeper problems, and all these characters i found, the people who sit in the middle of my story, had they experiences we had before the trump administration that told hem, look, where this happens we're almost increasingly not ready for it. it's they deeper problems of rot in the institutions that need to be addressed.

i kind of hope that one effect this book has is to take all those people who care about government and who understand its role in this society, to focus on, like, what you do there rathe than just get rid of donald trump. because just get rid of donald trump is just like the start of the solution. >> there's so much to say. to write a book about a transition, no one knows a transition unless you have worked on one. only one gets to use any of that work. it happens every presidential cycle, but it's such an important point. it's due from you, but so few people understand it. i wish we could talk about all your characters, but could you at least tell the story of charity dean. >> charity dean is the main character. she was a local public health official in santa barbara county. like a sensational one, who took

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to vote. while she won't be rushing to vote, checkie is journeying a course. she's decidedingly gel following the path of other critics, who have bowed out of life than -- quote -- rather than focussing on whipping votes to save her job as conference chair, the wyoming republican this week has been drafting plans for increased travel and media appearances meant to drive home her case that trump is unfit for a role in the republican party or as the nation's leader she's also considering an expanded political operation that would allow her to endorse and financially support other republican candidates who share her view of the danger that trump poses to the republican party and the country. cheney's removal from her post as gop conference chair for not

being willing to perpetuate the big lie cements the gop's break with the truth. and order are considering their alternatives. more than 100 republicans, including some former elected officials are preparing to release a letter threatening to form a third party if the republican party does not make certain changes. the statement is expected to take aim at former president donald j. trump's stranglehold to the republicans. with battle lines now drawn, a new chapter in the story of the gop begins just before cheney was ousted, tom friedman wrote about the magnitude of this moment right now -- to write about anything else on the verge

of trump's gop, would be like writing a column about the weather the day after watergate exploded, or about ford theater's architecture after lincoln was shot. if house republicans follow through on their plan to replay cheney, it will not consist attituded the end of american democracy as we've known it, but there's a real possibility we will look back at may 12th as the beginning of the end unless enough republicans can be persuaded to navigate is a course correction. we start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. a.b. stoddard is here from real clear politics. eugene daniels, white house reporter, and miles taylor, former chief of staff at the department of homeland security. he's now adviser of the rep political alliance, and a leader

of that group who are threatening to form a third party. miles, i welcome everybody to the effort to call out donald trump's enablers. i think he stopped being the story after the election. it revealed a republican party rot edge to its core, but why stay a republican? if there's not a satisfactory answer soon, then there's not a reason to stay a republican. one, right now in the republican party lying is a litmus test to leadership. not just lie to go yourself, but lying to the country about something that happened in our election. number two, i think we learned that the civil war and the republican party is not ending with liz cheney ace ouster. a civil war within the party is just beginning. number three, that civil war

within the party is going to have enormous consequences for this country the last person to fight a civil war in this country, ulysses s. grant said the next time there would be such a contest for america's existence, it wouldn't be north and south over the mason/dixon line, it would be between patriotism and intelligence on one side and ignorance and superstition on the other. the question for every republican in america today is, where do i stand? >> where do your former colleagues stand? somewhere does your former boss john kellie stand or jim mattis? where do your former colleagues who nose better than any human beings on the planet know how rosin to the core trumpism in?

>> you've named some people, many of whom i hope will speak up. i would use this appian to encourage them and urge them for the sake of the country to stand up and say what they've said before in private. what we'll be announcing tomorrow is what you could call in shorthand, an "i'm not crazy" coalition. we're going to announce a group of republicans who saying we want rational pragmatic governance, but we're making a threat. that threat is if the gop doesn't fix its act this enwe're going to hasten the creation of an alternative. >> eugene daniels, i think it's important to always put out there why this matters. it is not interesting to everybody, the internal dynamics, but this isn't about that. this is about republicans at the highest level settling on a strategy of making adherence to a big lie that undergirds a

domestic extremism threat, the secret password to get into the nuthouse, and i wonder if that manifests in an already tense climate on capitol hill. >> that's 100% right. something we are seeing is not just -- i'm on playbook. we love the internal turmoil conversation, but that is turning itself from the big lie into actual policy changes on the ground. we're seeing these states that are making it hard to vote, right? there's a direct line from the internal fight into how this is affecting policy. you're seeing what we're seeing on capitol hill is that it is stays tense. adam kinzinger, one of the people supporting liz chenically and has never supported the big lie and has been speaking out about this, he has talked about there's only maybe five republicans who really believe the election was stolen. what that means is there are a lot of them who are actually

spreading the lie they don't actually believe. that is -- you know, that makes it hard to, for example, for them to negotiate with the white house or with democrats on the hill on any policy issue, when dealing in facts is not exactly what they're very interested in. think about it. when was the last time a republican spoke about policy, a leader. not someone like mitt romney or somebody, when is the last time there was a conversation about policy on the republican side? the issue is it's not happening that much. we're seeing they spend all this time on mr. and mrs. potato head and all of these other things, now talking about trans issues, when you have a white house that wants to spend more money than we anticipated. that's something the older republican party would be able to jump on and have a cohesive conversation about. not only is it affecting the policy, but affecting the republican party's ability to

counteract what they would disagree with. and that impact is felt all throughout. it may not be the people in wyoming or kentucky care about they machinations, but it is affecting them and the way things are getting done up here. >> yeah, i mean, a.b., it's such an important political point. there is a policy debate to be had. there's just no one with enough seriousness or credibility or frankly time on their hands to have it. i was off the week of the potato thing. i'm googling potato head and i'm on the amazon toy section. they're so fringy, until even find that are tan gens, and i wonder what you maybe of what eugene just described. they're staying silent. all but five actually know that liz cheney is telling the truth. there are not many people who believe what trump believes. they're appeasing him, appeasing

the big lie, appeasing donald trump, but what about the fact it's not in the interest of the democracy? and it may not -- a fight over spending or a fight over policy, maybe better politics. >> it was interest to see kevin mccarthy saying we have to embrace the future and have to provide to convince americans to put us back in the majority, because we have all these thins we have to fend off and all the radicals, but he hasn't pridized what those positions are. i think liz cheney in her few moments when she tweets about this or talks about this is actually quite keir. he says we need to open the schools, close the borders, confront china. she's actually quite an articulate messenger of what the

conservative opposition to president biden's agenda should be. what is so malignant about what adam kinzinger has described, there's such a small minority who actually believe these things. the rest of them are pretending that, you know, people have questions and they have to answer them. you know, president trump has, you know, good questions that we still have to, you know, treat as credible. but they won't speak out. just if they could -- if there could have been one person today, nicolle, what came out after that conference and said, i'm sick of liz cheney positioning me, describing me as some kind of liar without ref -- reverence for the constitution, they basically run away from the cameras, no matter what she says about them, which is basically a concession that they are basically going along with the

big lie, protecting donald trump on this topic, therefore fueling after this conspiracy and this corrosive mistrust in our system. where this is going in the short term, you know, it's hard for democrats and republicans to negotiate on capitol hill right now, on actual problem solving and legislation. where this is going is that in 2024, the republicans are not going to be counted on to actually certify a legitimate election result as one they don't like. if a republican legitimately wins the presidency in 2024, why would the democrats after this stand by and accept it as a free and fair election? this is exactly where they're bringing us. that's why it is an existential threat to our system going forward. >> miles taylor, we would be covering this if it was hatch in another country, the modern

republican party as the antidemocratic side. and the modern democratic party as the pro-democracy force, but it's worse than that. i mean, it is a crusade against the rule of law. let me play some of that. >> i am a conservative republican, and the most conservative of conservative principles is reverence for the rule of law. the electoral college has voted. more than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple judges the former president appointed, have rejected his claims. the trump department of justice investigated the former president's claims of widespread fraud and found no evidence to support them. the election is over. that is the rule of law. that is our constitutional process. those who refuse to accept the rulings of our courts are at war

with the constitution. >> so, miles, the rule of law has all of its roads in the administration in which you serve. i don't mean to pick on you, but you're the ohm one from the trump administration here today. we have a republican party who doesn't care about the democracy and a republican party that was conditioned in tweet after tweet after tweet against robert mueller, rosenstein, the attorneys general, the rule of law, supreme court, this and that, to not give a hoot about the rule of law. how do you build that back? >> it's immensely difficult. i would say this, nicolle. you know, look, liz cheney's speech was chilling, because her speech was chilling, because it was not just about defending the republic. it was about preventing america from becoming a banana republic. a lot of that rests at

donald trump's feet. he set the tone for this. he attacked the undergirding principles of our democracy, but what is truly terrifying, now out of power, so many republicans are continues to follow his lead, but how do you build back from that in three things -- defend, defeat and drive. what our movement is going to try to do is defend rational republicans, defeat the radicals, but also and most importantly drive a more optimistic, hopeful vision for america's future, but one that is tied to america's ideals and founding principles. this is what the gop has veered from. we are indeed in dangerous territory. donald trump set the stage, but trumpism is going to outlast him if we don't act tariffly try to defeat that and build a movement to do exactly that. >> eugene, i want to no if a sense of got guys are winning on capitol hill or the bad guys. it feels like there's enough support for the malevolent force

that is liz cheney was run out of leadership. there are close to 400 bills making their way through 47 states built on the big lie. there is federal legislation that would protect against all of that, but even moment democratic lawmakers, there's not a lot of optimism. is there a feeling that these dark, malevolent forces are gaining steam or losing steam? or just as viralant as when trump was there. >> i think it depends on who you ask. they do have huge concerns that those dark forces you are describing are getting stronger, right? the thing is, now, you know, there are all these times during the trump administration, even when he was running for president. when republicans would say, just humor him, right? just humor him. it's okay. take him seriously, but not

literally. that continued continued to happen through the primary, through the presidency. it happened through january 6th, even past january 6th, whether whether this election was stolen. obviously it wasn't, but they humored him. now as miles has been saying, now you have a republican party that doesn't have faith in the institutions, less faith than they had before the trump administration. more importantly, they only believe one man. this isn't about a republican party who has a leader. it's about a republican party who is at the whim of one person. that's very different. a leader will talk to other people. sometimes the leader loses. sometimes joe biden, maybe what he want isn't the thing that wins the day. but what you have in the republican party is a party just following the whims of one man. he doesn't have the floor to be

able to give people orders, right? what they are doing is anticipating and guesstimating what he might do and say. when you talk to people behind the scenes, that's something that even republicans have concerns about, try to go guesstimate what donald trump wants out of republicans. one, they may not know. another reason they may go too far. i think that concern you're seeing on both sides of the aisle, it's unclear how republicans work to figure out and get their house in order. i don't think putting anyone else in the liz cheney position will change that, right? liz cheapie isn't going anywhere. people like miles aren't going anywhere. we're going to continue to have the conversation. that is the concern, you know, that people still have on capitol hill. it's not going anywhere anytime soon. >> i just come back to they now years-long challenge that republicans, including the former president, have had in

trying to demonize the current president and the popularity of his agenda. they to, as you describe very aptly, gene, have stock around -- these are no people i would rather talk to today. when we return, just hours after liz cheney was kicked out of leadership, gop ladders were at the white house meeting with president biden whose victory they still question by backing the big lie. how does a president work with a party that -- we'll ask a top democrat in the house. plus democrats have waited two years for testimony from former trump white house counsel don mcgahn about donald trump's obstruction. we'll tell you why their wait may soon be over.

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the ouster of liz cheney. president insists outreach is possible. >> did you have an exploration of possible revenue with them actually pay for -- >> no, i didn't get into that. i got into what constitutes infrastructure. i want to make it clear, i want to get a bipartisan deal on as much as we can. but i'm not giving up on the fact that we have 2 million women not able to go back to work because the daycare centers are closed or out of business, so they can't go back to work. i'm not going to give up on a

whole range of things of increasing employment, increasing revenues. i'm not going to give up on that let's see if we can get an agreement and fight over what is left, see if we can get it done without reps, in feed be. >> there's much more from lawrence's great intervie that airs tonight on our msnbc town hall. airing at 10:00 p.m. eastern. joining us is shawn patrick maloney. so much of is going on two speeches by lou cheney saying she will not follow her party down. >> it's a reminder despite all our differences, aboy, do i have them with liz cheney, there's some things we have to agree on,

or it doesn't work. one of the things she's saying is when you lose an election, you accept the results, go back to work to win the next one. if you don't all agree on that, this things stops, and nothing else can happen. i applaud her courage and i think it's a sad day and measure of how lost the party is, that they can't even abide one minute longer the fact she won't lie about what happened in the election that's just sad. kevin mick water was at the white house, saying this -- i don't think anyone is questioning the legitimacy of biden's win. liz chen yay was purged because of exactly that. it's sort of like mrs. doubtfire. how does kevin mccarthy stay in character in front of his

caucus, and then act like he's not trying to undermine the legitimacy of president biden's election. which versions are you to expect? >> i'm going to go with jekyll and hyde, because i liked mrs. doubtfire. the reason for the lie is that they have in their caucus because of what trump has done, they can't hear the truth from him. this unholy marriage between these dangerous conspiracy theorists, qanon conspirists, people like paul gosar today trying to minimize it. mccarthy has the impossible job of trying to pretend he can go

along with and it will all be okay. it's an old story. he's riding a tiger and will end up inside. the trick is that the country doesn't, there are responsible adults that are open to compromise, and god bless the president for trying, but who are going to get things done, lie ending the pandemic, growing the economy, delivering for our families. >> let me show some of the questioning from some of your colleagues and some of the gaslighting, as you just said trying to get to the bottom of the events of 1/6. >> if it were not for the incendiary rhetoric of donald trump, would we have had an insurrection on january 6th at the capitol? >> i don't know. you certainly seemed that it

contributed to it at the time. do you no longer think the receipt ricket contributed. >> i was highlighting the assault elements that went into the capitol. everything changes by the day. >> including your commitment and truthfulness. on the one hand you said that that what was contributed to it, and then you had a chance to think about it maybe when the -- that's disgusting and disloyal to the country. i yield back. >> my question, conman, is can you get to the bottom of 1/6 if only one party is interested in getting the truth, and if trump officials act like that? >> it makes it harder, no doubt

who does it say about who they're in bed with? that's my previous answer. i do think that, you can -- you do a real investigation, put real people on it, not current office holders, great americans, respected people. they can be judged by the results of that investigation over time and throughout history. so hold us to that standard. hold us to the standard of having a focused, substantive, no holds barred investigation, and i think the country needs it. when all of us have stopped serving and the dust has settled, they'll know what the heck happened. hopefully they have a strong, stable democracy, because they have learned lessons from it. we're going to get that commission and we'll get it done. >> the attorney general testified about the threat of

domestic violence that is embedded in extremism. it start add months-long spat and did not have an echo from the attorney general at the time, but i wonder if that's a problem made more different. >> i don't want to minute words about this. the other side has found common cause with white supremacist. >> that's why they call it the white supremacy caucus. that's now part of the republican caucus. as dramatic and depressing as that is i was recently in oklahoma city. i would encourage all americans, if you weren't old enough or haven't learn those lessons recently, google oklahoma city bombing. remember what happened when a lone wolf with one accomplice

took down an entire federal building, killed a bunch of kids in this misguided and deluded attack on the federal government. we know where this leads when we whip up our own citizens into this white supremacy and extreme violent nationalism. it's dangerous, and we must we must com into the it. this is as great a threat to the country, the internal threat from violent extremist groups as the threat we face from violent extremist groups from abroad. that's an extraordinary thing. we have to take it seriously. >> do you think republicans do? >> no, they don't. they need to. it's going to bite us all. that's when innocent people get hurt. that's what happened on january 6th. it was a game the president was playing until it became real, and then it became a viable option to overturn the results of the election.

once you unleash those dark forces, there's no telling where it leads. that's what i mean. there have to be enough adults in the room to say, that needs to stay out of our decisionmaking. that's what lid cheney was fighting for today. she was saying we lost an election. there are worse things, like losing your democracy. so that's what's at stake. the other side is willing to say their own narrow, immediate goal is more important than the entire democratic project which has brought us the greatest well and prosperity that the world has ever seen. those voices like liz cheney and the american business community has a role to play i'm proud the democratic party is delivers on jobs, the pandemic, and the economy, but we also have to deliver on protecting our democracy. >> it's an unbelievable state of affairs. you are right, they are all

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report 157 different times. more than any other witness. don mcgahn essentially handed robert mueller the keys to donald trump's efforts to obstruct the russia investigation. the former white house counsel has been described as the unofficial narrator. he hasn't shared any of it with congress yet. it's been a long and winding legal road for don mcgahn. in that time you'll remember trump instructed mcgann to refuse to comply with a federal subpoena, an action that result in a lawsuit demanding his testimony. after joe biden withdraws elected, his administration inherited is the issue. two important questions remain. one, what if anything can lawmakers learn from mcgann? and can donald trump still mess

things up for congress? let's bring in joyce vance. i remember your testimony around this topic. i wonder if can you speak to both questions. what could we learn we don't already know from don mcgahn, and talk about what is at stake in having millennium share what he knows with congress. >> there's such high value in having don mcgahn, who was the white house counsel, repeat under oath what reporters have reported on in the context of the mueller report, so perhaps it's worth rehearsing again giving the passage of time. the fact is that mcgann's torrie is trump asked him to seek to it that mueller was to be fired, and mcgann refused to do that.

trump sequentially pressured mcgann to lie about those facts. he actually on three occasions had people approach mcgann or those around him to encourage mcgann to maybe a public statement once the reporting began to reveal this happened, ultimately mcgann -- mcgahn, and he had a -- you were enamored why did mcgahn take notes? and he responded that lawyers did take notes in these cases. >> you know, joyce, i'm thinking of another conversation we've had over years now, and there was a lot of criticism that democrats didn't subpoena more witnesses around the two impeachment trials, but especially around trying to get john bolton to testify, around the first, i guess.

hard to keep them all in order t this proves adam schiff right. it takes years to work through the courts and produce witnesses to congress. >> it really does. the pre-watergate history of asserting executive privilege and keeping witnesses from testifying was that this was a topic that was worked out almost collegially between the different branches of government. of course, in watergate this was a court case, ultimately nixon was ordered to turn the tapes over to congress, but the length of time is the real problem. here we are now and doug ledder, now the general counsel for the house of representatives is actually negotiating for mcgahn's testimony with the office he used to lead in the executive branch with doj's civil division appellate's office. it's an odd position. it doesn't make it any less

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vaccinated. president biden today on the major news we got just this afternoon for adlessants, families in the fight against the coronavirus in the united states, a cdc panel voted 14-0, with one abstention to recommend to use the pfizer vaccine for 12 to 15 americans. clearing 9 way for open vaccinate for the 17 million young people in this age group as early as tomorrow. it's a major step for getting kids back in the school safely in the fall and getting the company back to normal. joining us now is dr. irwin redlynner, from columbia university. i'll start with what is your message weari your doctor hat, your peet tries hat, to a parent who 'been vaccinated themselves but nervous about vaccinating

their 12 to 15-year-old. >> hi, nicolle. this is a big moment for parents, children and really for the country. i would just say i'm extremely comfortable strongly recommending that parents get their children vaccinated as soon as they're ability to. we've had many, many demonstrations of the safety and efficacy of this particular vaccine of children in that age group, 12 to 15, and of course everyone older than that can get the vaccine as well. so down to sin fancy, in fact, i really do say to parents, this is something that i recommend for their own children and grandchildren. it's something -- don't forget, nicolle, aier 3% of the covid cases in america were making

sure they're vaccinated as soon as we're able to get their vaccine which starts today for the 12 to 15-year-olds. there is good news on the front here and a lot of ways this vaccine is important for children and parents will be onboard once they know the facts about what's the reality with it. >> and that was such a scary phase in this for all parents. you and i have been talking about the pandemic since the days we could have real conversations around the table without your darling grandson climbing on you, without my dog barking at our door. when do you they the country is back to a pre-pandemic normal?

when should it be there. >> we just finished a survey, nicole, about what do people -- what do americans look forward to most? this is a different issue than asking a public health expert or policy expert, you know, when will we be back to normal. like 500 cases or less a day. but what normal americans are saying, we just can't wait to get back to attending large events, theater, outdoor sports events and so on. some people are saying, we want to travel. other people are saying we want to hug and kiss our relatives. these are the things that people want, and we're very close to being on the verge, we are on the verge of obtaining a lot of those aspirations that a lot of americans have. i hope so. but there are caveats here.

so some of the things that work in the off stage here include terrible outbreaks in parts of the world that could actually get here. new variants that could be more dangerous, more transmissible than we have been experiencing. we won't get to those particular situations. a normal life finally for all, nicole. >> here's hoping. we love talking to you wherever it is, around the table or through zoom. thank you for spending some time with us today. and a reminder for all you not to miss tonight's msnbc town hall vaccinating america. a town hall with president biden. that is tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern and streaming on telemundo.com. when we return, we will remember lives well-lived. return, we wilr lives well-lived

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