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course of the last several months, the former president getting more aggressive, more vocal, pushing the lie. and i think that's a really important thing for people to understand, this isn't about looking backwards, this is about the realtime current potential damage that he's doing and that he continues to do. >> she's resolute. we'll have more of that bombshell interview in just a moment. but just hours after that vote, house minority leader kevin mccarthy stood outside the white house after meeting with president biden and said this -- >> i don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election. i think that is all over with. we're sitting here with the president today. so from that point of view, i don't think that's a problem. >> and that is also not strew. and all of this happening as several members of the trump wing of the gop, elected

officials, observing blatantly false accounts, also known as lies, at a house oversight committee hearing. >> there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a bold-faced lie. if you didn't know that was the footage from january 6th, you would think that was a normal tourist visit. >> there was nothing normal about that day. i have the team to help us make sense of all of it, garrett haake, former governor christie toddwhn, from my home state be politico eugene daniels and host of the podcast state of facts. garrett, she may be out of leadership, but it does not sound like congresswoman cheney is going down quiet. >> no, that's right. liz cheney has shown a pretty commanding control of the media narrative here. she had a photographer behind the scenes with her as she prepared her final speech. she had that exclusive sit-down interview on the "today" show

today. she's speaking to the fox news audience tonight or tomorrow with another interview. she's doing everything she can to keep her argument front and center, even without her megaphone that came with the leadership position that she had. and she diagnoses the problem that she sees with her party this way in the interview with savannah. listen. >> our party has to be based on truth. to be a leader in the republican party right now, do you have to buy the lie? >> i think it's important for those of us who refuse to do that to be willing to stand up. i obviously believe the republican party policies are much better for the country, but i also know we cannot convince people they should put their trust in us if we're building our party on a foundation of lies. >> what is the hold president trump has on the party? >> it's very dangerous. >> how do you explain it? >> i think it's a cult

personality and a real betrayal now that he's trying to unravel the democracy to get back in power. >> i can probably think of a dozen mostly in our former elected republicans that feels the same way as does liz cheney. the question and the challenge she will have can being liz cheney be enough to advance this argument beyond the shrinking element of now never trump republicans and next republicans who oppose the former president. >> governor whitman, you are a part of this new group of 100 high-profile republicans who are threatening to leave the party over this. don't you need current sitting republicans to leave to have any real impact? >> first of all, we've got to give them some backup. we've got to show we will have their back, and we will be there to support those representatives, like representative cheney, like lisa murkowski. we're going to be there for them. and that's going to help give them a little more freedom to

act. right now trump's hold on the party is really based on primaries and the fear these representatives and senators and congress people have that his base will come out no matter what. and they're not so sure about the rest of the voters who are repudiating trump right and left. his latest poll numbers, even though he tried to hide them, show his positives are way down, way below his negative feelings of the public. so it's something that is happening, there are over 150 of us who have signed this particular renewal for america and what we're doing is reaching out to those disaffected republicans. the republican party right now ranks third. independents have the most registered voters, democrats the second and republicans the third. trying to build a party without principles, without standards, without policy, trying to build a party that's a cult of personality around that one person is not a formula for a

long-term gain. they may win seats, which traditionally happens in the bielection, but beyond 2022, they don't have a chance if they keep up this way. >> what is your game plan? will they go ahead with trump to help new candidates challenge their seats primary style? >> we will be supporting those candidates who agree with principles that we laid out for all americans to see. we're going to have an open town meeting next month so people can join in and see who we are and what we stand for. the principles are pretty straightforward. their respect for the constitution, rule of law. the things the republican party used to be a part, that it got coopted, it's gotten taken away. to have the georgia congressman stand up and say january 6th looked like a regular visit to the capitol, it was mind-blowing. if anybody has visited the capitol, you know those groups are small, they're controlled. it's mind-blowing anybody could

think this way but they do. and you have so many of the american people, 70-plus million who voted for donald trump, who have listened to these leaders and they're confused now. we get that. that's why we're laying out a series of principles to try to move the republican party back to where it was. but if we can't accomplish that through getting people to sign on to the principles and supporting those candidates who did it and working against those who won't, who continue to spread the bill lie, then there may be time for a third party. >> we actually have some newly released from cnn bodycam footage from one specific officer who was being attacked during that january 6th insurrection. and i want to share it with our audience. for anyone who may have heard from those republicans yesterday who said oh, it was just like any other day, please watch this.

>> i got you. i got you! i got you! i got you! hold on! hold on! >> witnessing these people trying to rewrite history, what is your reaction? >> that they're lying, they're lying in the sense of wield the power. they are attempting to take the constitution that is about mediation of differences and pervert it for their own purposes. we don't have two parties right now that are equally rational actors in the constitutional structure, as currently constituted and republican, the republican party is not a rational part of the political

discourse. that could change. governor whitman's trying to help make it change. but it's going to take an enormous amount of work, and i think liz cheney did a huge part of that this week. to see someone put a personal ambition at stake for a principle is vanishingly rare in american politics. there are not gazillions of examples of this. when you talk about the insurrection, they didn't -- that didn't even happen during the civil war. i just want to say that pretty clearly. the confederate army never breached the u.s. capitol from ft. sumpter to april mat ox. but it seems to me as

christians, the formal sense of time is do we accept the rules of the road, whether we win or whether we lose, or are we entirely about the acquisition and maintenance of our own power? and that's the fundamental question. >> eugene, it's not just electeds and lying about january 6th but also lying about election results. we saw 124 retired general and admirals releasing a letter this week lying about the election results. again saying that joe biden stole it, which we know isn't the case. how widespread is this? >> mine, it's continue be to be surprising it's more widespread than we thought, that led up to this. people are understanding how deeply rooted this was and is. it started january 6th. for months president trump was then lying about the election,

lying about what happened, and republicans were appeasing him and humoring him like they've done for years in some of the things he said and done and lied about. so we talked about it as reporters and said, like this isn't happening, this wasn't true. on january 6th we saw how bad those lies got. and we all thought maybe that would make everyone move on, make everyone realize that that's not exactly what happened. but it's so deeply rooted in being a republican, liz cheney obviously is the greatest example of that. her being ousted because she didn't want to spread that lie. i think what's interesting because you keep hearing from republicans that this was about unity and making sure that everyone was on message. her great sin is the great thing that donald trump does all the time, which is continuing to talk about the 2020 election. she's just telling the truth. i think republicans at this point, one of the reasons they're having a hard time having this conversation, why they're so upset with her, is because the republican party has

not figured out how to deal with what happened january 6th because of what they did and talked about and lied about the election, because that means you have to come to terms with the idea that maybe you have something to do with it, right? if you were someone who spread those lies and those lies were by the people who were at the capitol, i think that's how you have them trying to whitewash their culpability january 6th. that would mean them saying i accidently even have something to do with this. >> garrett haake, republicans can't move on if they keep lying about this. if they want to move on, they can focus on joe biden's spend spending and that might win over centrist voters. but if republicans keep lying, people like you who work on the hill every single day are going to keep asking them about january 6th, so why are they going with this strategy?

>> that's the challenge. house republicans hope by getting rid of liz cheney's megaphone attached to her leadership position, this issue would go away. but i respond to it when a former member of president lies about it or member of congress says something abjectively ridiculous like it was a tourist day on january 6th. gut eugene got to this, they do have a strategy, ignore it and hope it goes away. hope the former president stops talking about it, other news outlets. they have 50 seats and will hope to stumble back into the house majority and they will white-knuckle it until 2022 and hope people stop asking questions about this. >> governor, what happens if this is the road republicans take and they win in 2022? if voters are not paying attention to any of this, and they decide they don't like joe biden's policies or we face serious inflation and don't like jobs coming back as planned,

what happens if republicans win? what does that mean to our democracy and honoring the truth? >> well, it would undermine it. i think the republicans stand a very good chance of taking back the house because that's what traditionally happens in a first congressional election after a presidential. especially when you have one party in control of both houses and presidency. that won't be a surprise, particularly the way with redistricting seems to be going. the way the local state legislatures that are controlled by republicans that are also passing bills to restrict access to the franchise. so it's entirely possible but it's not a strategy for long-term success of the party. it will continue to be marginalized as the president's popularity numbers drop, which they have significantly. they're upside down. and people are tired of that. plus the fact you look at the latest polls, at least at this moment -- that certainly can change -- the public in general is very supportive of joe biden's plans for trying to rebuild america, and infusing

money to jump-start the economy, make sure we continue to grow. so they don't -- they have to be careful about this. it's not going to go away. i would love to ask those congress people who say it was just another day on the hill, did you sequester? if you did, why? if these are just your people, why did you say? no matter what the secret service said or capitol hill piece, why didn't you just stay in the chamber and meet them and greet them happily because they're your constituents? i don't think people will stop asking that. what we're trying to do with our renewal is remind people what democracy is all about and what the party used to stand for, the importance of the constitution and rule of law. get people to sign onto that and support those candidates so we can push back against those people who are so extreme. >> governor whitman, john meefrp up, eugene daniels, garrett haake, that you all so much. we will leave it there.

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today marks the end of ramadan, normally a day of celebration for muslims but today in the middle east is being marked by excel lating violence and bloodshed. rocket attacks from gaza be air strikes in israel going on more than three days killing at least 80 palestinians and 7 people in israel. palestinian children and one 6-year-old in israel are among the dead, children. but what makes this time so much worse than previous wars is what's happening signed of

israel, mass protests and clashes breaking out between the country and israeli-arab citizens, something we have not seen in 20 years. i want to bring in foreign correspondent matt bradley. talk to us about what's going on inside israel, specifically this unrest among arab citizens there. >> yes, stephanie, you mentioned the rocket, tit for tat with air strikes, the death of so many children, all of this is terrifying, saddening and eye-skaching. but what is catching the interest of israeli leaders is the fights between israelis and palestinians in the streets. far away from the contested territories, palestinian territories, places israelis thought they were safe. israeli public could always have this argument, as long as the palestinians would simply submit to israeli rule, they would enjoy peace, prosperity, good education, a good lifestyle, just like the 20% of the israeli population who seems to get

along just fine up until now. that's why you heard from benny gantz just this morning, the defense minister warning in reality this is so much worse than the threat of rockets being fired from the gaza strip. because it really does, as i just finished saying, hits at a fundamental argument israelis have been making, which is in essence everybody here really does get along. over the last couple of hours it's really shown, no, they don't. that's why these threatening fights between ordinary israeli citizens and ordinary palestinian citizens -- not palestinians versus the security services, no anything else, this is just ordinary people fighting each other, it hints at a kind of civil war that could be coming up, and that's why this is so threatening to so many people even more than the fighting we are seeing between gaza and israel. stephanie? >> matt bradley, thank you. now let's turn to the fight against coronavirus, and big steps forward as we try to put this pandemic behind us.

on yesterday the average number of new cases dropped to their lowest levels since september. there were no covid deaths reported in the state of iowa, just two in arizona and just one right here in my home state of new jersey. the positive trends are leading states to rethink mask mandates. ohio's governor said he will drop the mandate june 2. california's governor suggested he will loosen mask rules starting on june 15th. and finally, it is official, on wednesday, the cdc formally endorsed the pfizer for kids between the ages 12 and 15. those kids can start getting vaccinated today. nbc's sam brock is following that part of the story from miami. sam, the vaccine is ready. does that mean kids and parents are ready to take it? i can promise you, there's two in my house who are. >> right, so you fall on one side of it, stephanie. i can tell you, that's a great question. there are two schools of thought now in terms of the

conversations i had with parents. one of them, and frankly, this is the most common, they tell me they have concerns if not politics, if not ideology, their primary worry is lack of research. just the fact this vaccine has been around, steph, less than six months. so they just tell me they don't know what's going to happen to their kids' bodies over time. one woman, stephanie, told me she's worried the mrna, when it gets injected into your system, would change your child's dna. we talked to multiple pediatricians who immediately debunked that, it doesn't reach you're nucleus, but that doesn't mean that's not how some people are feeling. on the other side of the equation, you have parents say it's been a concern for me day one since going to the park with my child, they go to school, we take them out, they could get sick and we don't know what's going to happen with their body. as soon as the vaccines are available, i'm getting my kids vaccinated. you have two polar opposite viewpoints at a critical time. and there's a woman, pediatrician here who set up a

pop-up site here in miami for kids and she said, i'm not sure what the demand will look like. she opened it up and in three days maxed out all 1,200 slots are taken and we're thrilled to hear that. it means many parents now, at least in this community, are feeling comfortable to do it. steph? >> i can tell you the two kids in my house who are eligible want to get their vaccines but they don't want to get them here in new jersey. they want to red trip it to ohio. can you walk us through what the ohio governor is doing to try to incentivize people there to get vaxed? >> absolutely. i don't want to let your kids down, but if they're not ohio residents, i don't know if they will qualify into the incentive. >> they're looking for a distant relative. >> they will find a loophole. for anyone under the age of 18 who wants a free college scholarship, they would qualify for state universities in ohio. for anyone over the age of 18, and that's almost 5 million

people who received one shot so far, stephanie, adults, they would qualify for weekly drawings for a million dollar prize, and there's five of them, stephanie, using federal coronavirus relief found do that as a basis of comparison. so worse case, your odds are one in 5 million you get a million bucks for getting a shot. the powerball ticket we love to play, the odds in this are 1 in 300 million so this is substantially better. y07d just that, governor dewine said, you might say i'm crazy for doing this but it's crazy not to get vaccinated when people are dyeing every single day. stephanie? >> there you have it, i'm sorry to my kids you're not ohio residents. sam, thank you. speaking of all americans getting vaccinated, i have to give a shot out to turbovax, so clever, a website and twitter account that helps thousands and thousands of new yorkers find vaccine appointments. it announced this week it's officially shutting down saying most of its work is done now that it's much easier to get an appointment. it was started by 31-year-old

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now let's head to wall street, where investors have been panicked about markets. they were in free fall yesterday, but this morning as the markets open, they're poised for a comeback, already in the green. also new jobless numbers out showing 473,000 new americans filed for unemployment last week. while that is still above

pre-pandemic levels, the trend shows numbers goingown week after week. good sign for our economy and workers. 2340er7b8g good sign for workers, mcdonald's just announced it's raising hourly wages for all 36,000 of their employees. with australia now to discuss all of this, cnbc's dom corres kasie hunt and watching gas prices down in north carolina. dom, i need you to started. can you explain these markets? we were in free fall yesterday after investors were basically freaking over gas prices. are they going to work this all out? >> there could be. but we have inflation at 2010 at the highest was yesterday at the wholesale level. yesterday, we got them at the consumer level. how much we're paying for goods

as con sumers on a daily basis. now we're finding out those companies themselves are getting those cost passed to them in the highest decade as well. the inflation fears have not gone away. what has now come to light is the idea perhaps the market is due for at least a little bit of sta billty after all of the selling pressure we've seen. by the way, the levels we've fallen by so far are in line with some of the other falls we've seen over the last year. the issue right now for many investors will be whether or not, like you said, those cost pressures are going to be in the longer term. there's a growing population out there of investors who really do believe we're in an environment that could see higher prices for years to come. but, remember, for many of these, it's about food and energy, the things we consume the most. on that front, those prices tend to be volatile. we're already seeing fuel prices and oil prices drop today on news the colonial pipeline could have resolutions to itself by the end of the day and weekend

and maybe clear the whole thing up by memorial day weekend. that will be something to watch for sure, stephanie. >> dom, i mentioned mcdonald's a moment ago but not just mcdonald's. mcdonald's and other companies on their own are waging wages. we keep talking about this problem filling open jobs. at this point are companies working this out themselves and simply raising wages without raising the federal minimum wage, without any government action? >> it's interesting that you mention that, because in many ways, yes, there's now intense competition and it's getting even more heated with regard to trying to find that labor. one of the interesting takes that i've heard so far is when you start to see companies like this starting to hike their wages, what it does do is put pressure on everybody else to hike theirs. restaurant workers are a key focus because they're some of more lower-paid people on the spectrum with regard to the entire hospitality industry. now though with mcdonald's increasing wages, we heard chipotle say they would raise their wages as well and other

big-box retailers like walmart and target say they're going to do the same. the crazy part about this is, there's a sad irony here, in that many small business owners and restaurant owners now have to compete with very large corporations who are now going to be paying more. so, yes, this is good for the workers overall, but there are going to be some unintended consequences down the line as this labor shortage really starts to work out. it might just be a situation where many other small businesses may feel the pain as well here, stephanie. >> and with amazon announcing they're looking to hire another 75,000 people, it's not people just staying home, they are shifting from other industries, restaurants, service industries seem to be high on that list. let's talk about president biden. he met with the top four lawmakers yesterday to talk infrastructure. we keep hearing they're only interested -- republicans at least -- in hard infrastructure, like roads and bridges. we actually looked at the two

proposals on those issues, republicans and the white house, and they're not that far apart. could biden just say he's going to take a deal on the hard infrastructure, work with republicans and do everything else on his own? >> absolutely he could say that, steph. i have been talking to white house officials in recent days who say, look, unlike the covid relief package which they saw as an emergency something that they had to get done in a matter of weeks, they feel like they have time with these proposals, infrastructure proposal and jobs proposal. as you point out, they're not that far apart if you look at the numbers, if you look at the figures. but, steph, it gets a lot more difficult when you talk about how to pay for it. remember, president biden wants to pay for it by increasing taxes on wealthy americans, large corporations. republicans are looking for things at like increasing tolls. that is a big disparity and that could be where this gets very difficult. overnight during an exclusive interview with lawrence

o'donnell, president biden was pressed, would he go it alone and just get this done with democrats if he has to? take a look at that exchange. >> i want to get a bipartisan deal on as much as we can get a bipartisan deal on and that means roads, bridges, broadband, all infrastructure. i want to know what can we agree on and let's see if we can get an agreement and kick-start this and fight over what's left. see if i can get it done without republicans, if need be. >> but, steph, here's the pressure point for president biden and for this administration, remember, he campaigned on a promise to usher in a new spirit of bipartisanship. and so that first covid relief package passed along party lines, only with democratic support, and there's pressure on him to get something done with republicans. i have been talking to republicans on capitol hill as well who told me privately they're feeling the heat. they want to have something to show for when they try to fight to win back the house in 2022.

that is the political calculation. can they bridge those divides about how to pay for all of this and how much money they want to spend? we'll have to see, steph. >> but, kristen, is it romantic or naive for the biden administration to think they have a chance of doing that? mitch mcconnell made it clear he's going to block anything biden wants to do. just yesterday hours after that meeting, kevin mccarthy sent out a fund-raising tweet saying he just met with corrupt joe biden. if that's where kevin mccarthy's head is at, is there any chance you can negotiate in good faith with somebody doing that? >> that's the big question. look, president biden's going to be meeting with shelley moore capito, who is leading the charge when it comes to the gop counterproposal and six other senators to try to get a deal done. i just spoke with some white house officials to try to get their response to the tweet you mentioned. they say, look, the president is trying to stay focused on the big picture, on getting this

passed with some bipartisan support. but you're right, steph, there's a reality to all of this. biden knows kevin mccarthy has to play to his base. he has to keep the trump base close while he negotiates at the same time. they're watching all of this quickly. of course, it comes against the backdrop of this big leadership shake-up just yesterday, where they ousted congresswoman liz cheney for her repeated attacks and criticism of former president trump for his lies about the 2020 election. so leader mccarthy knows he's still got to deal with that part of his party in order to get something done with president biden. frankly, steph, looking down the line, in order to try to win back the house, so the president knows the political calculation. white house officials say he's not going to let that get in the way of these negotiations, steph. >> i guess i don't understand political calculations. i would get anyone in any state would be open to better roads, better bridges and broadband. tom, let's talk gas prices,

great news, colonial pipeline back online yesterday but it doesn't happen with a flip of a switch. how long is this going to take? what is it like where you are? >> hey, stephanie, good morning. we came back to this costco gas station we were at yesterday to answer that question right there and it's dramatically different, stephanie. the only thing that changed is the news you mentioned the colonial pipeline is back up and running. charlotte, where we are, of seven out of ten gas stations without gas. today we're driving around this morning and seeing several gas stations come online. we are not seeing the lines we saw yesterday. that's all very positive news. but the energy secretary was on "morning joe" and she explained it's not going to be exactly back to normal right ra way. let's take a listen. >> this is not like flipping a switch. it's a 5,500-pipeline.

the majority of the populated areas will see more in the next couple days. the other areas, we hope, will seem normal by the end of the weekend. >> now the big question, will gas stay around $3 a gallon, the average price of gas. i spoke to the gas buddy and he said expect it to stay there a couple of days. it could impact some, but it tends to rise before memorial day and the impact of demand will skyrocket again. >> good reminder, what were we doing last memorial day? we were all staying home. thank you all very much. coming up -- the run on gas on the east coast was not on accident, it was all caused by a cyberattack. late last night, president biden took action. we will break down his new order and if it will actually prevent the next attack. worked in retail during the holidays.

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this morning president biden taking action on cybersecurity just days after hackers attacked the colonial pipeline. he just signed an executive order to boost our cybersecurity and prevent hackers from taking down our infrastructure. ken dilanian has been dig ig into this story. ken, this obviously comes after two major cyberattacks from china and russia in the last year alone. what does this order actually do? >> the most significant thing it does, stephanie, is something most experts say is long overdue, it imposes minimum cybersecurity standards on every company that does business with the federal government. and that's a big deal. it means hundreds of thousands of small, medium and large businesses need to get their defenses in order to keep doing business with uncle sam. the reality is a lot of these companies have terrible cybersecurity. and a recent audit found glaring

deficiencies, atrocious information management. that also underscores i think a weakness in this order, which is that it only applies to federal contractors. it does not appear colonial pipeline is a government contractor. but some members of congress believe there should be a law imposing minimum standards on every company in america because this kind of stuff has to stop, steph. >> ken dilanian, thank you. now let's turn to minneapolis, minnesota, where attorneys for three former police officers involved in george floyd's death will appear in court for a motions hearing. it comes nearly one month -- has it already been a month -- after derek chauvin was found guilty of murdering floyd. gabe gutierrez has been all over this story. gabe, the attorney for one of these officers is already accusing the prosecution of misconduct. explain what's going on there? >> hey there, steph, you remember the trial for the other three officers is scheduled for august. this is a pretrial motion

hearing and the attorney for officer thao is essentially alleged prosecutors coerced one of their witnesses to testify a certain way. you will remember dr. andrew baker was one of the key witnesses in that trial of derek chauvin. and initially, the attorney for officer thao is saying dr. baker is saying there's no official evidence george floyd died 6 asphyxiation and only added the words neck compression to his report after he was contacted by the medical examiner in washington, d.c., who apparently according to the court filing, threatened to go to "the washington post" and file an opinion piece, and only after that, the attorney for officer thao alleges the words neck compression were added. that was one thing. there's also something else, another motion hearing, a motion where the attorney for officer thao is alleging prosecutors actually leaked information to "the new york times" and

associated press about this potential plea deal derek chauvin was apparently willing to take but then-attorney general bill barr rejected. the prosecution has come back with a blistering statement calling that completely false, that they weren't involved with that, and the whole thing is a, quote, waste of the corporate's time. some potential fireworks could happen in this motions hearing. no cameras allowed in court, stephanie. the actual officers themselves are not expected to be in the courtroom. again, this is all leading up to the other trial on aiding and abetting charges, that as of now, is scheduled for august, stephanie. >> gabe, keep us updated. coming up next -- it is almost time to place your bets for the preakness stakes down in baltimore this weekend. the one and only steve kornacki will be here on whether he's going to double down on his medina spirit bet, despite the controversy. steve's probably just psyched he didn't have to give the money back.

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include full transparency of medical and testing results. his trainer, bob baffert, said he was treated with an ointment that might have included an anti-inflammatory steroid. it's a shift from his complete denial the horse was treated with it. what are the odds this horse will win? steve kornacki is here to break it down. you didn't just predict medina spirit would win last time. you bet on it and won. what are the odds he's going to win again this weekend, and are you putting money on it? >> it's interesting for all of the controversy, certainly, this week, if you take a look at the morning line that was set the other day for the preakness, medina spirit goes into the race as the favorite. 2 to 1, the morning line favorite. and actually, the second choice, you see the odds there on the board, actually 9 to 5 there, you see the odds on the board, the second choice, the number 10 horse, concert tour, 5 to 2, those are the two favorites.

concert tour is also trained by bob baffert. despite all this controversy, the expectation going into the race saturday, at least on paper, is he's got the two best horses that are likely to get the most action in the betting. >> the horse still failed a drug test less than a week ago. how does that affect the odds and betting for the preakness? >> well, again, i think if you take a look at that morning line, the expegitation is it's not going to have a huge effect. if you were guessing before we knew anything about the drug test and everything, if you were guessing what medina spirit was likely to be, odds wise in the preakness, this is about what it would have been. medina spirit was 12-1 in the kentucky derby. a lot of the horses that ran with medina spirit in the kentucky derby, the horse that finished second, the horse that finished third, the horse that finished fourth were right there at the end of the race with a chance to win. none of them are going to be running in the preakness stakes. the field has been reduced. it was 20 horses running in the

derby. it's ten running in the preakness. again, a lot of horses that were close aren't going to be in the race. medina spirit, you can make your own judgment about whether you think that beta methazone had any kind of role in the performance, but i think a lot of people believe it's still a legitimately, he's still a legitimately good horse, has the possibility of getting to the front, near the front, and kind of staying there, again, which has been his running style. >> how about fans? horse racing enthusiasts. does this controversy do anything to sort of smudge the shine from the triple crown? you yourself, what did you win, $2,000 the will we see a lot les people? normally, preakness is smaller than the kentucky derby. are people shying away from watching or betting this weekend? there's got to be some people who are mad out there. >> we'll see what the numbers look like. the handle, they call it, all the money that gets bet on the race. the thing that's already happened obviously is the preakness is always about

answering the question, you know, do we have a horse that's going to come to new york in june with a chance to win the triple crown? that rare achievement in sports. medina spirit wins the kentucky derby. if you can put the second leg together in the preakness, you get that buzz for the three weeks between the preakness and be belmont. always a very exciting thing, and it's a very different situation right now where medina spirit, yes, we're seeing medina spirit has a real chance to win this race on saturday. medina spirit also has a real chance of having that kentucky derby victory taken down, officially taken down when that second test comes back. so just that usual sort of story that might be taking shape right now about, hey, we could be on the verge of seeing a horse go for the triple crown. that sort of energy is not there right now. >> all right, steve, we're out of time. i have to know, are you betting on him again? >> you can tune in to nbc's coverage tomorrow and a little

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