minnesota. he was 80 years old. when they write the book about accidental inventions there will no doubt be a chapter on hip. young inventors would be well advised to mark that chapt we are really, really happy to have you. hair particularly on a news day that we are all going to remember for a long time, because of this. >> today, cdc is updating our guidance for fully vaccinated people. anyone who is fully vaccinated can participate in indoor and outdoor activities, large or small, without wearing a mask, or physical distancing. if you are fully vaccinated,

you can start doing the things that you have stopped doing because of the pandemic. we have all longed for this moment, where we can get back to some sense of normalcy. based on the continuing downward trajectory of cases, the scientific data on the performance of our vaccines, and our understanding of how the virus spreads, that moment has come for those who are fully vaccinated. >> that moment has come, for those who are fully vaccinated. that's the cdc -- michelle wilenski. she said he could stop wearing masks indoor and oh except in very specific situations. in health care facilities, and care facilities like nursing homes, homeless shelters, and congregant living facilities like jails or prisons. or, interestingly, on transportation. buses, planes, airports, bus depots. those are the exceptions.

other than those things, if you are vaccinated, it's okay to take off your mask now. indoors and out. really? are you sure? how sure are you? this is a big change. the previous cdc guidance on where and whether american safely take off their masks, was honestly really confusing and hard to explain. the chart they put out initially wasn't any help to me at all. the new guidance makes sense, if you are vaccinated, that's you on the right side there. you are good to go. happy greenland and all those circumstances. if you are not vaccinated, that's you on the. left lots of danger, lots of complexity and reason to worry. a lot to pay attention to. that's the bottom line. the simple bottom. line that's so special about the cdc's message today.

life on the left is you still masked in almost every situation and still in danger. are you sure you still want that complexity in your life in that kind of risk? you can make your life much less risky, and much more simple, if you move on over to the right side by getting your shot. the cdc made this announcement at the white house covid briefing today. the news network saw broken with special reports and big news. president biden himself, along with vice president harris, they came out to address the press in the american public about it. it's a big deal. both the president and the cdc director doctor wilenski, repeatedly making that bottom line point clear -- that this news is great news for people who are vaccinated. your, life if you are fully vaccinated, can go very much back to normal. he could almost entirely drop the masks. but, if you are not vaccinated, that doesn't apply to you. and that simplicity, the

benefits of vaccination, this huge weight on the scale in terms of getting your shot, that's the big deal today. this is the cdc director and the president making that clear, and making the case, that is time to get your shot if you haven't had it yet. number one, because your country needs you too. number two, because your life will get better, and safer, and easier if you do it now. >> when your country asks you to get vaccinated, you did. the american people stepped up. you did what i consider to be your patriotic duty. that's how we've got into this day. after a year of hard work and so much sacrifice, the rule is very simple -- get vaccinated, or wear a mask until you do. >> the science is also very clear about unvaccinated people. you remain at risk of mild or severe illness, of death, or of spreading the disease to others.

you should still mask, and you should get vaccinated right away. your health, and how senior return to normal life, before the pandemic, are in your very capable hands. once you are fully vaccinated, two weeks after your last dose, you can shed your masks. >> you can shed your mask. once you're fully vaccinated. joining us now on this very big day is cdc director doctor rachelle wilenski. doctor wilenski, it's a real pleasure to have you tonight. thank you for making the time to be here. >> my pleasure. good evening, rachel. >> so, i have a lot of feelings. [laughs] if i could just speak in personal terms. you said in the briefing we all long for this moment. my heart leapt into my. throat it's true. it's such good news after all this. time at the same, time i'm very nervous about what you said today. it is hard for me to imagine myself, you know, waltzing into

the stop and show tomorrow not wearing a mask. i just feel like i am not wired that way anymore, and it still feels risky. again, forgive me for speaking in personal terms. i don't need to be too blunt about this. but, how sure are you -- because, this feels like a really big change? >> we're sure. there's an extraordinary amount of evidence now that demonstrates that the vaccines are working in the real world. in covert study, in care facilities, in all states. these vaccines are working the way they did in the clinical trials. importantly, there is also new data, just even the last two weeks that demonstrates these vaccines are working against the variants that we have circulating in the united states here. also, data has emerged that demonstrated that if you are vaccinated, you are less likely, not likely to asymptomatically should the virus and not give

it to others. it is this coalescing of all the evidence now that tells us really it is safe to take off your mask. that said, i think your point is really well taken. for the last 15 months, and we've been saying wear a mask. so, we've been ingrained that you can't leave the house without a. mask i went for a walk without a mask the first time a week ago. that felt strange, right? i think we are all going to have to become comfortable with this again. but what we're saying is now it's time to make those efforts to start getting comfortable. >> you're gonna, i know, end up reiterating what you just said in order to answer these questions. i served a lot of people, both on the staff of the show and in my personal life today in terms of things they feel nervous about still, even after listening to you on the president today. here's one -- if i am vaccinated, and the

coworker that i sit next to at work is not vaccinated, is it really safe for me to not wear a mask all day at work if i know i'm in the presence of people who aren't vaccinated? i can't control whether or not they wear masks. i can only control whether or not i do. is it safe to be around somebody indoors all day long who hasn't been vaccinated, who may not be masks compliant? >> would i would say is it safe for you as the vaccinated person you're 95% protected from disease, and in some cases 97%. for those breakthrough infections that can rarely occur, for the most part, they are resulting in asymptomatic or very mild disease. it's really quite safe for you, with the vaccinated person. it's not safe for the unvaccinated person. especially if that person is taking off their mask. so what we would say is, for their unvaccinated person, please do either keep your mask on, or in fact, better, yet go get vaccinated.

, yet go>> in terms of breakthrh infections, people who are vaccinated, who are nevertheless contracting covid -- i know it's a very small number of people. but you at the cdc and talked about the there are thousands of these cases. importantly, they are less likely dangerous cases of covid. very small proportions of people who are vaccinated still get infected in the end every cycle having to be hospitalized. they also pose less of a risk to other people in terms of shedding and having a high level of shedding the virus, all important things. have we learned anything, with now having tens of millions of people vaccinated in this country -- hundreds of millions of shots out there. have we learned enough about the differences between the vaccines? can we yet say whether there is more or less of a chance of a breakthrough infection with any of our three vaccines? or, should we still think of them all as essentially offering equivalent protection? >> so, we do know from a

clinical -- the clinical styles that the -- trials that the vaccines did what they were supposed. do they're supposed to limit severe death. all of them worked equally well in doing. so 100% effective in preventing severe cases, hospitalization, and death. do we know that -- that is still under study. for the most part, when we have seen the studies that have been doing screening of people, testing of people, who have been vaccinated, where they are finding is that when they are asymptomatically in fact it did, rarely asymptomatic lean fact it, they are not shedding the virus to others. >> on that point, i guess i have a testing question as well. when i think about my own experience ovee past 14 months, if i found myself for some reason in a car, without a mask on, with other people who

didn't have masks on or in some other enclosed space, where we didn't have masks on, over the course of this past year i'm now wanted to think of myself of having been exposed and needing to get tested. because i have been in an unsafe place. now that i have been fully vaccinated, i hear you in terms of how safe i am, even in that kind of an environment. under what circumstances should i still consider getting a test? should i be worried about having an infection that is asymptomatic? should i be worried -- just looking up for symptoms. those who are vaccinated, when do we test? >> so really our guidance updated on this a bit ago. several weeks ago. it has basically said that you do not need to test if you are fully vaccinated and have been exposed. however, you do need to test if you are fully vaccinated and you have symptoms. ithis is one of those things i think is really important. if you are vaccinated and you have symptoms of covid-19, please do put your mask back on. go get yourself tested, and

keep your mask on until your test comes back negative. >> let me also ask you about the exceptions to the broad rule that you laid, or the broad guidance you laid out today. it makes sense to me that in congregant living, congregate care places like elderly homes, jails, prisons, even vaccinated people are advised to still wear masks in those kind of environments because of the risks associated with those environments specifically. i don't really understand the transit guidance. what is it about being on a bus, or on a plane, or in a busty poll or an airport, that's different than being in a restaurant or a bar or a grocery store? why do we have that exception for transit? >> a really important question, thank you for that. this guidance today was about individuals. individuals who are vaccinated, it's about what they can. do we know about cdc have hard work in the weeks ahead, taking

all our guidance, childcare guidance, camp, guidance school guidance, and updating it in the context of what we can do as individuals. importantly for the travel guidance, we have travel guidance, but we also have a travel policy that involves not just cbc -- cdc, but coming together in a policy. that policies another thing we are going to have to look at in the context of being vaccinated. >> if policies around wearing masks on transit are revised, the cdc guidance about masks on transit would also essentially revised comport with those guidelines intended? >> we will collaborate together among different agencies to decide what to do about a current travel policy. >> okay. last question for you -- for parents who have kids under age 12, obviously the pfizer vaccine now is approved for kids aged 12 and up.

if you have kids under age 12, how do you approach this new guidance within your family? to kids need to keep wearing masks if they can't be vaccinated, even if they're older siblings and family have been vaccinated and they don't have masks? that seems like it'll be an awkward into dynamic problem in families. >> right. first of all, let's just celebrate for a moment that we have vaccines for 12 to 15-year-olds, which i think is really great to see that we can really now vaccinate 17 million more people in the united states because of this new authorization and recommendation since yesterday. but you bring on that important point about children between the ages of zero and 12. and, you know, we have to treat them as unvaccinated. yes, those children still do have to wear a mask to protect themselves. the same sort of mitigation strategies apply.

wear your mask, distance if you can't wear a mask. go to well ventilated spaces. >> doctor rachelle wilenski, director of the cdc. congratulations -- in some ways, this is an achievement of our public health folks, and in achievement of the cdc to get us to the point where we can announce this kind of historic change in guidance today. they will knock their block off for you! good to see you doctor. >> thank you so much. >> let me know. you know how to reach me. all right. it is an amazing thing. i will tell you at a personal level, i'm sorry for speaking of all, that in such personal terms with doctor wilenski, but when i was talking to people about this new guidance, and what to ask her, everybody had personal feelings about it and i realized i did too with these questions. part of it is i feel i will

have to rewire myself so when i see somebody out in the world who's not wearing a mask, i don't instantly think you are a threat or you are selfish or a covid denier and you definitely haven't been vaccinated. we are going to have to rewire the way we look at each other, because the cdc's guidance, which she told, me we are sure is that if you are vaccinated, you don't need to wear a mask except in very specific circumstances. that means as we change that as a country, we are going to look at each other differently and have to underwire our pre-conceptions about what a mask or a lack of a mask means. biden spoke to that today, asking for people -- biden and doctor fauci spoke to that today, asking for people to essentially be patient, be compassionate, give people respect for whatever they decide on this front because with this change in guidance we are going to have change and norms that we have to keep each other space to have feelings about that as we go through what's going to be a big change that will create a lot of visceral reaction, and a lot of

us and our day-to-day lives. big day, big change. lots going on in the news today. this amazing milestone moment from the cdc. i'm grateful to have the chance to talk to the director about that historic announcement. one nice change for me on this show, between this administration and the last one is being allowed to speak with policy makers, and people in positions of authority and the government who can explain the decisions of the government. not having access to those officials in the past administration was honestly, i mean, petty on their part. but i drag for us. on days at this, i'm grateful the administration puts these folks up. we have a head of the intelligence committee in the senate joining us tonight, which i'm also grateful for. president biden today, he spoke on the mask announcement but spoke today on a crippling cyberattack of the colonial pipeline. he blended on a criminal enterprise based in russia.

and he said bearing interesting lee that the russian government itself didn't do it. that's the conclusion of the fbi, that the russian government isn't responsible for the attack directly. but, he said, the criminal network that did it is based in russia. he said the administration is talking to moscow directly about how responsible countries should handle criminal enterprises like this that are operating within their borders. lots to say, and lots to ask about. we have senator mark warner the head of the intelligence committee in the senate who's going to join us in just a few minutes on that. i'm looking forward to that conversation. also laugh out loud news to get to tonight on the republican recount of the arizona presidential election results. we've got that ahead tonight. there is really interesting news tonight on whether we are going to get an infrastructure bill and just how urgent that question is getting. we will get to all of that night. i'm looking forward to it. but while i'm just being myself, while i was talking in personal

terms tonight, can i take a second here, this part of the show, to tell you what i think is the most single insane thing that came up in today's news? i don't know if anyone else is covering this in tv nose. it's not getting a lot of attention. honestly, i find it completely astonishing. i need to get it out of my system. eight weeks ago, a fantastic reporter, jane mayer, at the new yorker, a national treasure, she published a really news the article at the new yorker about new york city prosecutors and the criminal case they are pursuing against former president donald trump. that piece of the new yorker was published at a very high profile time for that investigation. it was right after a court ruling cleared the way for those prosecutors in new york to obtain a hard drive that contains millions of pages of donald trump's tax records and financial records and business records, dating back ten years to 2011. jean is such a good reporter,

such a good writer. here's part of how she laid it out. she said, quote, the hard drive includes potentially revealing notes showing how trump and his accountants arrived at their tax numbers. the hard drive is believed to have been lock in a high security annex in lower manhattan. a spokesman for the district attorney's office declined to confirm the whereabouts of the hard drive, but people familiar with the office presumed it's been secured in a radio frequency isolation center in the lowest jf left good state office building on center street in new york. that chamber is protected by a double set of metal doors, the kind used in bank false, and its walls are lined with what looks like glimmering copper foil to block remote attempts to temper with digital evidence. she says it's a modern equivalent of tutankhamun to. such cautions are not surprising. given the nature of the case. no president has been charged with a criminal offense. trump remains the party's most

popular presidential potential presidential chasm it. he signaled interest in another run. if he's charged and convicted, he could end up serving a prison term instead of a second white house term. she goes on to profile the district attorney who is leading this criminal investigation of trump in new york. in this piece, she breaks the news he is going to be leaving office at the end of this year which puts a ticking clock on how fast the criminal case against trump is likely to move this year. since the prosecutors not likely to hand it off midstream to his successor, he's going to want to do it himself. tons of news there, super interesting. in the middle of that piece, i've had this physically cut out and talked up on the side of my bookshelf ever since, she dropped this. quote, trump has already demonstrated a willingness to engage in almost unthinkable tactics to protect himself. among his social circle in palm beach, speculation abounds that

florida's republican governor ron desantis might not honor an extradition request from new york if a bunch warrant were issued for trump's arrest. the states attorney for palm beach county tells the new yorker he does such defiance would stand. extradition, he points out, is a constitutional duty and a governor's role and it is merely ministerial. but he admits that the process might not go smoothly. you know it, he says? i thought january 6th would go smoothly. congress role was just ministerial then as well. governor desantis did not respond to a request for comment. so, this was eight weeks ago. just dropping into this already news profile of the new york state prosecutors that are pursuing criminal charges against former president trump, dropping in the middle that if trump is indicted by those new york state prosecutors and there is a warrant out for his arrest in new york state, maybe the republican governor of

florida would have, what? did trump? shield him from extradition? like he's a hijacker hiding out in tehran, or something? that was a remarkable thing that jane might raised the prospect of eight weeks ago in the new yorker. apparently, yes, that's a thing! that's happening. i mean, they are at least working on. political.com picked up the storyline and ran with it and in terms of it being a thing in trump world they are working on, the naughty problem of how to shield him from extradition, you know, one season guided. there is an arrest warrant for him. apparently, they expect that's on its way. here is politico's warning today, all caps. scoop! palm beach makes contingency plans in case trump is indicted. law enforcement officials in palm beach county florida actively prepared for the possibility in your cross accusers could indict former president donald trump while

he's at mar-a-lago. according to high-ranking county officials involved in planning sessions. among the topics discussed in those meetings, because they are having meetings about it, quote, how to handle the extradition issues that could arise if an indictment against trump moves forward. and obscure clause of florida's statute on interstate extradition gives governor ron desantis the ability to intervene and investigate whether an indicted person, quote, ought to be surrendered to law enforcement officials from another state, which means that as mar-a-lago prepares to close down for the season, didn't know that was a thing, and as trump therefore relocates to new jersey this summer, it isn't just the florida heat he's leaving behind. he could lose a key piece of political protection if an indictment comes down while trump is in new jersey for the summer. this could all play out very differently. an attorney for trump declined

to comment. so, high-ranking county officials in the county where trump lives in florida are having meetings now reportedly preparing for an anticipated standoff that will ensue once trump is criminally charged because they are expecting that, and once a warrant is issued for his arrest in new york. law enforcement officials and county officials meeting about this possibility in florida and now through the press publicizing in advance that there is a little clause in florida state law that might let the republican governor down there trying to shield trump from arrests, somehow. you wonder why the trump people keep floating the idea that florida governor ron desantis is going to be trump's new running mate when he runs in 2024. keep flattering the guy! they are trying to line you up so you will keep trump out of jail soon! like this, year way before 2024. when they tell you will be his

running, latest because they are trying to get you to build a motor round his counsel to keep law enforcement away. now, apparently trump is planning on leaving florida for at least some portion of the summer, moving to new jersey. that, i guess, would be a comparatively easy place for him to be arrested. maybe that's affecting his thinking about his summer plans. right? forgive me, but it is crazy to me that this is part of the news right now. a former president has never faced criminal charges in our country, never. this former president? still running the republican party, demanding the scalps of his enemies, demanding loyalty, demanding people repeat his claims that he's still the president and didn't really lose the last election. it's put the republican party into absolute convulsions as a try to deal with him. they parch people who no longer please him. meanwhile, that same former twice impeached one term president is facing potential

criminal charges in the state of georgia. yesterday, we found out that the main witness for the serious federal obstruction of justice allegations against him is about to testify to congress about trump's behavior, which could theoretically result in a federal criminal referral to the justice department on those serious obstruction allegations for which he never had to face the music while he was in office. the investigation has millions of pages of his financial records. apparently all on a hard drive locked up in a modern-day tomb. the wall street journal reports today that a private school in new york has been subpoenaed in conjunction with the new york investigation in a way that might not just signal dish and a pressure on witnesses against trump in that investigation. it might signal tax related allegations. with violation of tax law that could be referred from a state prosecutor's back to new york, which would involve a whole other set of prosecutors on his case.

in that context, the 378 most clicked on a story of the day is, by the way, we might have a fiscal battle ahead sometime soon, sometime over the next few months and which the former president tries to barricade himself in florida with the help of republican officials who say they will keep him from being arrested by either the feds or new york state. you know, totally normal. some ex presidents opening library, right? or start a foundation. this one goes shopping for summer without an extradition treaty, where he can rule from exile. [laughs] i wish this were a hyperbole. amazing times we live in, amazing. lots to come tonight. stay with us. stay with us can't be the reason you don't get it. you wanna help? donate a ride today.

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a super critical finding. that was the 9-1-1 call made by an engineer, doing routine checkup on that bridge on interstate 40 over the mississippi river in memphis. he keeps calling it a critical finding. a super critical finding. what he means by that, although that jargon tells you something was concerning, but he specifically means was that he and the other bridge inspectors found a great big crack in the structural beams that holds the bridge up. they said that that kind of fault, that kind of crack could lead to a quote catastrophic -- catastrophic event. it could lead the bridge to fall down. when you are a bridge inspector, you see that kind of damage, and you actually do just call 9-1-1.

and the bridge was immediately closed, not just to all traffic on the bridge crossing the bridge on the road, but all boats passing under the bridge as well in case the thing didn't just collapse, but it collapsed down into the mississippi river. 35,000 vehicles cross this bridge every day. between that and the barges in the mississippi river that travel beneath, it this is a really important transit point for lots of different things, and people. right now it's closed indefinitely because of a giant intended crack that might cause the whole thing to collapse at any moment. we are gonna having that kind of week, as a country. today was also day seven of the huge fuel disruptions up and down the east coast after the biggest fuel pipeline in the country was taken off line as the result of a foreign cyberattack. we will talk to the head of the senate coming in just a moment. the difference between the shutdown of the pipeline, and the shutdown of this major interstate bridge over the mississippi right now, is that the bridge wasn't attacked. the bridge is a critical

infrastructure that we neglected badly enough that it almost fell down. negland of course not just thise bridge that's falling apart, those bridges and road and other pieces decrying over this country. there is an infrastructure bill to start investing in the old infrastructure now. patching up before it starts to crack and fall down, and build new, better, more modern infrastructure that will keep us going for the next generation, or two, or three. today president biden took a meeting with multiple senators to try to find a bipartisan deal on an infrastructure bill. as it stands, the presidents offer has been rejected by every single member of the republican congress. -- conch caucus. they want to do a less expensive, less ambitious project for infrastructure. the president today called the meeting with republican senators very, very good. he was optimistic that in agreement could be rich -- reached.

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carried out this attack. the fbi release ils on the attack so others can take steps to being victimized -- we don't believe the russian government was involved in this attack. we do have strong reason to believe that the criminals who

did the attack are living in russia. that's where it came from. we have been in direct communication with moscow about the imperative for responsible countries to take decisive action against these ransomware networks. we are also gonna pursue a measure to disrupt their ability to operate. >> are you confident that this -- ? >> i am confident that they read the report of the fbi accurately. they say they were not. he was not. >> we consider doing any retaliatory cyberattacks to shut down these criminals? are you ruling that out? >> no. >> are you ruling that out? >> no. are you rolling out a retaliatory cyberattack against these guys? >> no. the cyberattack that through -- for a week. was not the mountain by the government of california. the guys in russia said it's

something they are taking up with russia as they move to disrupt groups like this. what does that? mean what does that mean to disrupt a criminal hacking network that mounts these kinds of attacks? for that matter, what's whatever tele-terry attack look like if that's what the government in the u.s. is going to do? in the wake of this attack on us, the very successful attack on, us here's the other part of it we have to think about. >> were you breached on the fact that the -- >> i have no comment on that. thank you. >> were you briefed on whether the company paid a ransom? >> no comment. which implies, yeah, the company did play the ransom. bloomberg news in fact was saying that they did cough up something about $5 million in ransom on this critical piece of infrastructure. which means, the group that did, at their bottom line outcome

here is that they made $5 million. and they got worldwide publicity. and the pipeline was still shut down for nearly a week. as it stands right now, that's a really bad outcome for us. not only did we display this vulnerability to the world, and not only do we incur that kind of pain in terms of fuel shortages and all of the inconvenience in terms of shutting it down now they got paid and that's plenty of incentive and groups like them to start doing stuff like this and worse. bottom, line the way this result is it's bad for the u.s.. in terms of incentives and ongoing ways going on for these attackers. unless there's something we should understand about how the u.s. can't strike back here. joining us now is the chairman of the senate intelligence committee senator mark warren. it's a pleasure to have you with us. thank you for making the time. >> thank you, rachel. >> i look at the overall picture of what happened with

that pipeline, and i think we lost, and they won. nkthe disruption to us was profound. they got paid. they got away with it as much as we can tell. i know that we have none of the ability that we see. how do you see? it >> may be worse than you. i have been talking about this for years. in cryptocurrencies like that klein would stun most of your audience. and while, in this case, colonial pipeline did the right thing, they notified the government, notified law enforcement. they were under no obligation to do this. the remarkable thing is, this is one ransomware attack that shut down a third of the nation's gasoline, against one company. probably the bad guys, let's

assume there's no russian government involvement. but the russian spy services were definitely watching this. so, let's think back a couple months ago, some of your audience would remember something called solar winds attack? that attack which was the russian government penetrated 18,000 companies. luckily, the russian spies only took out information. they didn't shut down those 18,000 companies. they could've done the same thing in terms of ransomware attacks that attacked colonial pipeline. that would've brought our whole economy to a halt. we don't even have a requirement at this point that says if you are attacked, even if you are an agency you've got to tl the fbi, the cyurity administration system, and we cannot solve this just with the government. we need microsoft, amazon, the

companies all colocated so mid incident we could get this information and try to respond because the awful secret is, and a world of cyber, a good-y -- a talented bad guy can, you know, one time out of 1000, break through the barriers of most countries. we saw the ramifications of that with colonial over the last five days. think about that when the russian spies were in 18,000 companies -- most of us in the government didn't realize that. >> when the president today said that the u.s. government is taking action to disrupt the operation of these people who carried out the attack, how should we understand what that means? >> we have capabilities as well. we have to be willing to punch back against their adversaries. we can't, whether it's russians

or chinese, allow them to steal our intellectual property. and basically hold hostage companies for ransomware. or, in the case of solar winds, trade information about individuals, and at times, when you've got companies that are negligent like equifax was with 140 million americans personal information the chinese stole and there is no repercussions, we need to hold some more accountable. but in the interim, we need to make sure there's, when the fire is burning, yet to report it to the firemen. you have to pause the whole network to make sure there's not other fires out there. this appears to have been a case of against one pipeline. i think with the solar winds, luckily it was only an espionage espionage mission. if i'd been a ransomware, tack it could've shut down the economy and people may say that

would never happen here. look at what russia did to ukraine repeatedly, when they shut down the economy and shut down the power before christmas and ukraine. think about that happening across america. we could have the capabilities offensively. we could really crease increase the defense because this information needs to be shared in a public private way. the government can do it alone, the private sector can't do it alone. we need the equivalent of an incident report mission, and this is one area i know -- i'm with, we need to fix, it feels our infrastructure in a major way. on this, there is bipartisan support and we need to put a new legal legislative response to build upon president biden's executive order he put out yesterday. >> mark warner, chairman of the senate intelligence committee,

you have absolutely been sounding this alarm for a very long time. i feel like even in the coverage of this colonial pipeline attack, it's almost been covered like it's a natural disaster or some sort of accident. it's an attack and there is a lot of complexity in response. thanks for helping us understand it. i appreciate you making time to be here. >> just as we fix our bridges, we can also do a better job on our cybersecurity. we can do it better. thank you. >> i hear you. we'll be right back. stay with us. stay with us hroat. feel the clarity, and live claritin clear. it only takes a second for an everyday item to become dangerous. tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging. tide pods chi♪ ♪ ♪ard packaging.

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