long before she entered congress and it is an obsession that has aoc worried. watch this. >> stop locking your door and come out and face the american citizens you serve. >> and clearly needs some help. >> so in a moment i'm going to talk to former congresswoman donna edwards about what can be done about greene's behavior towards a fellow legislature. fighting words. liz cheney's first interview after she was ousted from republican leadership in the house was with nbc's own savannah guthrie. >> some of your colleagues say we supported you before, congresswoman cheney. you made your point, drop it. let's focus on the future. >> it's an ongoing threat. silence is not an option. >> later this hour, cheney in her own words on her next steps to try to ride the republican party on a collision course with itself. we want to begin with

marjorie taylor greene and her ongoing fatuation with attacking alexandria ocasio. -cortez. greene shouted saying she didn't care about americans and accused her of supporting terrorists. newly unearthed video from 2019 shows greene heckling aoc through her door's mail slot to disparage the new york democrat. >> alexandria ocasio-cortez. i'm an american citizen. i pay your salary through the taxes that you collect from me through the irs. we need to get rid of your diaper and come out and be able to come out and talk to the american citizens. jeff mason, white house corrupt for reuters and donna edwards former congresswoman from maryland and contributing columnist at "washington post" and msnbc analyst. that is just shocking to see, i have to say. watching that video that was just unearthed. congresswoman, i want you to react first to what you just

saw. >> i mean, what it demonstrates is that this has been going on for a long time. there's not a lot that the house can do about ms. greene's behavior before she was in congress, but there's an awful lot the house can and should do right now to hold her accountable for her behavior, which is bordering on criminal. the level of just stalking, harassment and, you know, yelling and screaming. i mean it's unheard of that you would do this in any workplace in america. you would be fired. and yet she still gets to continue to do it with apparently with the accord of her republican conference. it's really unacceptable. and i think congress has to put a stop to it now and whether that's through an ethics procedure that would result in a censure on the floor of the house of representatives or a direct resolution that is taken

to the house and gets a majority vote. it has to be done because this can result in something very dangerous and is already putting at risk the lives and the situation of members who are on the house. but for one member to chase around and yell and scream at another member, i mean, i just can't even imagine that happening and yet here it is. so, the house has got to put a stop to this. >> talk about workplace harassment. workplace intimitation. and then also concern for your own safety if you're in aoc's position especially what took place on january 6th and the threat that the capitol building and the members of congress were under. pelosi, obviously, talking about the fact that it could feasibly require an ethics investigation. you talk about what else can actually be done here to hold marjorie taylor greene accountable, aside from stripping her of committee

assignments which essentially has already been done. what else can be done here? >> well, i'll tell you personally if i were representative ocasio-cortez or any other member under threat by marjorie taylor greene or her staff, i would try and go to seek a protection order. i think it's really that serious. to have her stay away and be required to do that or face penalties in court. i think this is completely unacceptable behavior and even at the worst times, you know, i know members that i had serious disagreements with but the idea that they would chase around another member, it just is not done and we should not be starting this now. so the congress really has to act on its own through ethics, but i think personally, frankly, i'd go get a protective order. >> let me ask you this. if one were to seek a protection order in congress, would you go

to capitol police? would you go to d.c. metro police? and then what would that do considering the fact that she works in the same building as aoc? >> well, it's quite an interesting question and i don't think it is anything that has been resolved. but i think i would attempt to go to the local courts and have that protective order enforced by the sergeant at arms, by the capitol police. and also the fact is the house can act on its own to engage members in their behavior. remember that the speaker of the house and house impose penalties not going through the security apparatus. that was not something that existed before january 6th and yet it has been done. so, you know, severe financial penalties enforcement by the sergeant at arms and capitol

police for her to stay away from representative ocasio-cortez. but ms. taylor greene has engaged in this behavior with other members and her staff, with other members, as well. this is unacceptable. republicans and democrats should join in ensuring that this kind of doesn't continue because, talk about destroying. if there wasn't enough destruction of that after january 6th, engaging in this kind of behavior and allowing it to continue really does not bode well for future congresses. >> jeff mason, want to bring you into the conversation here. can the biden administration do anything, especially when it comes to the harassment of individuals inside congress? >> well, i don't know that they've been asked to do anything specifically on that, but i think more broadly it is the ability between democrats and republicans to work together and that's one thing that president biden has said is a

priority. but we've seen in the last few months in addition to this awful vitriol that you just showed in that clip, just a lot of really, really high partisan tension. and president biden is working on that. i think republicans don't necessarily feel that when they saw the first stimulus pass without a republican vote. but he's working right now. he's having another meeting this upcoming week with senators about the infrastructure bill that the white house is putting together. so, but it does raise that kind of overarching point of, you know, if this level of incivility is happening between lawmakers, how do you get down to the policy? >> so, that's what i want to ask you. is this idea of how you land on a bipartisan piece of legislation and you wrote about the meeting that biden had

earlier this weekend which says he wants to have a compromise. he felt confident that they would have a compromise. how do you land on a legislative compromise when you have this type of vitriol inside of congress? >> it's important to say first in answer to that question that aoc and congresswoman marjorie taylor greene are not the ones negotiating. so this particular incident doesn't bode well for bipartisanship, but it's not -- they are not mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. that said, mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy and chuck schumer were in the oval with the president earlier this week and the two republican leaders came out and spoke to us and the press afterwards and said, good meeting, but we draw the line at tax increases and having some kind of increase on either corporate america or wealthy americans or both is key to what president biden is planning to do to pay for that.

so, they're separate but related, i guess, is my overall answer to that. your're right, it does raise questions about the tenor in washington and there are questions from both sides and the senate and the house and the white house who want to come up with a deal and they're working on it. we'll see. >> it does seem to be a microcosm on what is happening on a bigger scale. and after voting liz cheney out. thank you, both. great to see you on this saturday, guys. coming up in just a bit we'll hear from liz cheney as she sits down with nbc savannah guthrie and what she is willing to do if he would run for president again in 2024. all right, so, let's get to the escalating violence overseas. president biden has been at the white house today talking to both sides escalating izraelian palestinian conflict. israeli warplanes hit a camp

killing ten people, including eight kids and building with journalists. this is the sixth deadly day in a row. 139 palestinians and nine israelis are reported dead this week. as a u.s. diplomat arrives in tel aviv to work on a cease-fire deal. i want to bring in david ignatius and associate editor and also msnbc political analyst and we want to dive further into this very complicated conflict, to say the least. david, great to see you on this saturday. appreciate you joining us on this. this is quite a moment. >> thanks yasmin. >> this has been quite a moment for this conflict and i've covered some of these conflicts in the past and this seems much different than anything that we have experienced before. tell us why. >> well, we're on the verge of all-out war. israeli troops are poised to

invade gaza. i don't think the israelis want to invade because they don't want to own gaza. they don't want to have responsibility for perpetually dealing with hamas. i think they'd love to have the egyptians broker some kind of lasting cease-fire. i think they're looking for some way to reduce hamas power long-term. the terrible thing, yasmin, the united states traditional role as a mediator, a peace broker and really has been all but exhausted. if there's one thing i hear from all sides in washington is a consensus that the united states simply cannot solve these problems. we tried over and over without success. there has to be will on both sides to seek some new, more stable situation. and it doesn't seem to be present. so, it's one of the situations

where, to me, you don't see the exit yet. >> couple things i want to talk about and you bring up the united states and their involvement in this whole thing and what they can do as a peace broker here. and in the past they worked as an intragle part of the process. we provide $4 billion in aid we cannot be for the netanyahu government and the behavior. we must change course and adopt an even-handed approach and one that upholds international law regarding the protection of civilians as well as u.s. law holding that the provision of u.s. military aid must not enable human rights abuses. this approach must recognize that israel has the absolute right to live in peace and security, but so do the palestinians. what do you make of this, david? >> well, i think it's interesting, first, that a

prominent candidate is expressing that strongly pro-palestinian, essentially, view. that's something that's different. for years i think democrats and many israelis have been concerned that support for israel was becoming more of a partisan issue. and certainly during the trump administration, there was such a close link between president trump and prime minister netanyahu that the traditional bipartisan support for israel has been central to israeli security, many people thought might be frayed. i think the idea of the united states is going to be even handed between interests of a close ally, israel, and hamas, which we regarded as a terrorist group and i think for good reason. hamas has done some dreadful things. i just don't see us being even handed in that conflict. but i think there is more concern about the palestinian

rights about bringing america somehow into the role again of a mediator. the problem is we have tried that over and over without success. there has to be some new way of approaching this maybe jointly with our european allies and maybe working with our arab allies who increasingly have close relations with israel, look at the united arab emirates and maybe that's a pathway to move this into a different space. but right now as i say, i don't so the exit yet. i don't see the grounds for a cease-fire. >> so and that's what i want to end on which is the lack of incentive it seems, the leaders from these various places have and ending this conflict. you have netanyahu who has yet to form a government who's been, we should say, flailing really as the leader of israel and in a way this provides him the support that he needs, that he didn't necessarily have.

this could actually empower him. you have hamas in which many of the people in the gaza strip are losing confidence in them. 50% unemployment in gaza and then mahmoud abbas leader who is aging and ill and losing power. no incentive for any of them to figure this thing out because in a way war makes them stronger. >> well, war in this situation has empowered the extremes. what you see when you look at both israel and the palestinian authority is that politics is broken. the israelis have not been able to gather a stable governing coalition for several years. the palestinians can't hold elections because the palestinian authority is so weak, it could be overwhelmed by hamas. hamas has been getting stronger. and these events do empower the more extreme voices. when we see in israeli towns,

israeli arabs and jews battling in the streets, we see just a level of chaos that is just tragic. so, i think that is my take away. this is just a terrible situation for everybody. >> david ignatius, thank you, as always. enjoy the rest of your day, my friend. great to see you. still ahead, panic at the pump. a major pipeline back while the fuel is flowing again, the fallout continues. and in her own words ousted congresswoman liz cheney challenges her own party to tell the truth about trump. what her battle cry could mean for the gop. >> well, it's an ongoing threat. so, silence is not an option.

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welcome back, everybody. it has been a rough week for drivers up and down the east coast following the closure of

the colonel pipeline due to a hack. service has been fully restored but high prices and gas shortages are still hitting some states as the supply chain plays catch up. blayne alexander has more. >> hello to you from what is a busy gas station. the traffic has certainly picked up from earlier this morning. cars lining up in some cases three deep to get gas. but this is one of the lucky stations here in the state of georgia, when you consider that statewide outages are right at about 45%, 46%. that means about 46% of stations do not have gas. when you go up further north to d.c. that number jumps to about 81%. the experts i have been speaking with say essentially we're in recovery mode right now. of course, the colonel pipeline is back up and running but it's going to take another week, possibly two weeks before we see that trickle down to the pump where drivers can just pull into any gas station and trust that they'll be able to get the fuel they need. the other thing that i've been

speaking with experts about is the question over whether this was a supply issue with the pipeline, if the issue was caused by the pipeline or more so people essentially panicking and going out and purchasing gas and they said because so many people were concerned and making a run on gas, that's why we're seeing such low supply. the other thing is the timing. the timing of all of this. consider if this happened about a year ago when everybody's cars were parked and nobody was going out. you wouldn't see what you're seeing right now, but because demand is going up, because we're moving into the summer travel months, all of that came together to kind of create a perfect storm and give us what we see here behind us. yasmin. >> blayne, thank you. speaking out against silence. savannah guthrie's conversation with liz cheney in her first tv interview after her ousting from her leadership role. stay with us.

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welcome back. liz cheney is not keeping quiet after being ousted from her

leadership role among house republicans this week for not believing in trump's big election lie. the wyoming republican revealed yesterday that she now regrets voting for trump last year and that there are republicans who just aren't willing to speak out against trump. >> it was a vote based on poliy and substance and what i know in terms of the kind of policies he put forward that were good for the country. but i think it is fair to say i regret the vote. i also think that you have more members who believe in substance and policy and ideals than are willing to say so. if you look at the vote to impeach, for example, there are members who told me they were afraid for their own security, afraid in some instances for their lives. >> "today" show savannah guthrie sat down with the congresswoman for her first live interview after the vote on wednesday to get her thoughts on trump's hold on the republican party. and her fight to restore the

party to the values that it was founded on. watch this. >> can you take me inside those moments for you when you lost your leadership position? >> well, it was not a surprise. it was really about something that is much, much bigger than the republican conference in the house. it's a moment where we have to decide as a party, you know, whether we're going to embrace the truth. >> you're looking at the republican colleagues in the eye. how did it feel? what was that like? >> you know, i was very honest and i told them i have real affection and admiration for most of them. and i love this institution and we all have been put here in this moment by history and history's going to judge us. >> three and a half months ago there was a vote on you, which you overwhelmingly won, 145 votes to 61. today it was just a voice vote,

it wasn't even close. what happened? what changed? >> for reasons that i don't understand, leaders in my party have decidedt to embrace the former president who launched that attack. and i think you've watched over the course of the last several months the former president get more aggressive, more vocal pushing the lie. and i think that's a really important thing for people to understand. this isn't about looking backwards. this is about the real-time current potential damage that he's doing. that he continues to do. >> some of your colleagues say, though, we supported you before, congresswoman cheney. you made your point, now drop it and let's focus on the future. >> it's an ongoing threat. so, silence is not an option. >> you've made statements since january 6th. you fist bumped president biden at the joint address to congress. do you think there was a last straw where you lost the support of your republican colleagues?

>> i think it's very important for all of us, republicans and democrats to get back to the days where we engage on substance and where we don't treat our political adversaries as enemies. i think that the nation demands that and the nation deserves that. >> i also think that there is real concern among a number of members of my own party about a january 6th commission. and i think, you know, i've been very public that that commission needs to be bipartisan and it needs to look only at january 6th and the events leading up to it, not at the antifa riots last summer and i think that kind of intense, narrow focus threatens people in my party who may have been playing a role they should not have been playing. >> do you think there were members of congress who were complicit in the attack and a commission could uncover that? >> i don't want to go that far. each time we have something

happen in this country that is that kind of a crisis, we have a commission. and there is no reason why there should be any resistance to doing so in this case. >> what does it say about former president trump that he will not accept this loss? >> that he is unfit. he never, again, can be anywhere close to the oval office. >> how far are you willing to take this? would you run for president? >> i think that it is the most important issue that we are facing right now as a country. and we're facing a huge array of issues. so he must not ever be anywhere close to the oval office. >> my question was, would you run for president to stop that? >> i will do everything that i can, both to make sure that that never happens and also to make sure that the republican party gets back to substance and policy. >> before i drop it, will you rule out a run for president? >> right now i am very focused on making sure that our party

becomes, again, a party that stands for truth and stands for fundamental principles that are conservative and mostly stands for the constitution. and i won't let a former president or anybody else unravel the democracy. >> whatever it takes. >> whatever it takes. >> one of the things that your critics say is instead of talking about president biden, we're talking about liz cheney. that that is really at the heart of what this vote is about and why they want you out of leadership. >> look, i've been very clear that i think president biden's policies are dangerous. you know every single day i'm fighting against those policies and we'll continue to do that. my view is to be as effective as we can be to fight against those things. our party has to be based on truth. >> to be a leader in the republican party do you have to buy the lie? >> i think it's important for those of us who refuse to do that to stand up. i obviously believe the republican party policies are better for the country but i

also know that we cannot convince people to put their trust in us if we're building our party on a foundation of lies. >> what is the hold president trump has on the party? >> well, it's very dangerous. >> how do you explain it? >> i think people were betrayed and misled by him. it's a real betrayal now that he's willing to try to unravel the democracy to get back into power. >> 70% of the republican party right now believes president trump's lies about the election. so if you're out of lock step with the party, why should you be in leadership? >> leadership is about leading. and it's about telling the truth. and it's about making sure that people understand how important these fundamental principles are and i think that is incumbent upon anybody who is elected and anybody who is in leadership to tell the truth. >> will you run for re-election? >> absolutely. >> do you think you can win? >> absolutely. >> the trump political team is actively looking to coalesce

around a primary challenger to you. what is your message to them? >> you know, bring it on. as i said, if they think that they're going to come into wyoming and make the argument that the people of wyoming should vote for someone who is loyal to donald trump over somebody who is loyal to the constitution, i welcome that debate. >> are you the leader of the opposition and exile right now in the republican party? >> i intend to be the leader, one of the leaders in a fight to help to restore our party. and a fight to bring our party back to substance and principles and in a fight to make clear that we won't participate in a really dangerous effort that's under way. >> a lot of people frame this as a battle for the soul of the republican party. but you're out of office. trump is, hasn't that battle be waged and won. didn't trump win it. >> actually i'm in office and he's out of office.

>> fair. you're out of your leadership office. >> that is true. but, no, look, this is the opening in that battle and it's a battle we have to win. not just about the republican party. it's about the country and it's about whether or not we're going to respect our electoral process. >> all right, so, will cheney's call to action set on a collision course. my next guest joining republicans calling for a common sense coalition in american politics. they're going to weigh in on the current state of the gop. and where things go from here. former congressman denver riggleman and susan del percio join me next. s ti ause it's time♪ ♪ yeah. ♪ ♪ time for grilled cheese. ♪

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both have one common denominator, trump and the big lie. top republicans like kevin mccarthy are basically saying it's trump's way or the highway. while others in the party want to return to the pretrump conservative agenda. what can be done? how do we change things and which side is ultimately going to win out? joining me now denver riggleman and susan del percio republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. welcome to you both. thank you for joining us on this. i feel like there is this collision course, congressman, inside the republican party that could feasibly collide come 2022 or 2024 depending on soon we get there. on the one side, you have the antitrumpers and on the other side the pro trumpers who literally believe in a lie. a lie that this election was stolen from them. and an op-ed for "washington

post" essentially serving or forming a third party and you write this. we will not wait forever for the gop to clean up its act. if we cannot save the republican party from itself, we will help save america from elements and invest in cities and states across the country while recruiting a new generation of principled, pragmatic citizens to the cause. can you expand on this? >> this started for me about a year ago and i'm going to use a military term here my pucker factor when i started seeing the crazy starting to come out and then after november 3rd stop the steal which was a baseline specifically. that's where it started for me and now we're to a point with the republican party that if we can't change it from the inside, we might have to change it from the outside. being an intelligence officer, that's something i actually struggled with, to be honest with you. how do we do this? where do we start? i can come on and say, hey, i disagree with 80% of president

biden's policies, but what i disagree with more is just the craziness that's coming out with stop the steel and some of the things we're seeing. when you look at the first quarter fund-rafund-raising, it wash. and you're looking at my district people raising money and we're undersampled. i think when you saw in the prior clip you said 70% of people believe and i had people tell me to my face that they won't answer their phone or answer the questions because they believe the deep state is tracking them. i think it's undersampled. >> you know kevin mccarthy, congressman? >> i do. >> does he buy what he's selling? >> i mean, i can't see into the man's heart, but knowing kevin before hand and now it's difficult to believe he's buying what he's selling. as the leader he is looking at polling and fund-raising. i said this before, if we took

away any moral ambiguities and any judgment on this, what he's looking at is the polling in these districts. put oa poll in wyoming where they put out a poll where the shows 80% on election integrity sets a cover for stop the steel and that's what they're going to run on. i just happen to completely disagree. >> so, what i hear you saying essentially is you feel as if kevin mccarthy is just doing this for politics. he doesn't actually believe the election was stolen. this is how he will maintain or gain or regain power. >> if you're a republican or democrat and you want to be in leadership, it's a political calculation. not a massive moral issue where you'll take a stand for the actual individuals in the conference and say i'll tell the truth even though that will make you lose elections. again, i'm trying to explain this from an analytical perspective and not from a moral

perspective. a pure political calculation in order to take back the house in 2022. i think if you look at the data, i think it looks pretty good for the gop in '22 based on the fact they seem to be in the same swim lane. >> lits listen to adam kinzinger. >> i'm all for unity and unity and truth. truth cannot co-exist with lies. truth cannot co exist with falsehood. you cannot unify with that. that's what liz has been saying. by the way, to the base voters who believe the election was stolen, i don't blame them. their leaders told them the exact same thing. >> i think that's what a lot of people are asking, susan. how do you unify behind a lie when you have kevin mccarthy saying, listen, we're all about unity and yet they're unifying behind a lie. >> well, if you want to have a career in the congress and you're a republican, it's most likely you're going to to the r

the lie because that's how you win a primary. i mean, the congressman is too dignified to mention how state parties basically screwed him out of the nominee by not having an epi open primary. that's the problem on the ground, yasmin, we have to start focusing more on the cities and state level because donald trump early on, even before he was sworn in was meeting with state party chairman, republican state party chairman and he has now had trumpism seep into the state parties. it's not that donald trump is gone. that's great. but what is worse is that trumpism right now is at the party level. so when you talk about getting unified, unfortunately, i don't see that happening in 2022 or 2024. it's going to be cycled out because, frankly, i believe the worst days are still ahead. we're going to see more and more

extremists candidates nominated by state parties in 2022 and 2024. >> i got to say, also, susan, it's a bit depressing, right. i'll tell you why. because in a way the republican party it seems to me are alienating voters. i think feasibly have on board had they not been coalescing behind this election lie. there was a time in our nation's history in which we had two legitimate parties. a democratic and republican party, right. and people could actually trust what it was that their legislators were actually saying and the differences between them were issues based. but none of this, if we look at the voting records, obviously, of elise stefanik and liz cheney have anything to do with issues. so americans really, unless they want to coalesce behind a lie only have one party to choose from right now. >> right. and that's the bigger picture. i have democrats all the time saying to me, don't leave the

party because we actually need a viable two-party system. the problem is, one of those is not viable right now because it's not having an open conversation about policies and ideas. it is a very closed party right now that only matters if you're loyal to one person. that's not how you unite. that's not how you move forward. that's not how you gain seats. and at this point in time, the republican party stands for nothing. it stands for winning. and that's not what gets us through this. we looked at our country and looked at january 6th. it's about duty to country. we should all be stepping up. and if you're not willing to do that, that's why they have to have the voter suppression laws put out there because they're afraid people will vote against them. so, i think at this point in time, we must look forward and realize we have to roll up our sleeves and it is going to take

a while and going to be broadening that coalition of same conservative principles to go forward. even if that means working with democrats. >> congressman, one to you. cheney's replacement at this point we know is a political shape shifter. how much of this exists within the party? >> i don't know. that's party specific. but i think right now when you're looking at trump specifically, i think a lot of people have to be if they want to win and that's what i've been, honestly, what i've against and when you talk about shifters here's the issue, we thought we had a good pro constitutional sports car that ran into the trump dump truck and it got smashed. the collision's over. the next two years is going to be a trump party. i've been trying, i've been sort of screaming this from the rooftops also that i've never

seen such excitement right now as this goes forward with people with liz losing when you see people fund-raising off that and when susan talks about, i don't know if she was an intelligence officer or not, but it is the grassroots that are pushing this ridiculousness. i think the collision is over and you have to be a shape-shifter to be in this party and i do believe you need a sane group of conservatives rb i hope i'm one of those. i hope i'm sane. you know, being a radical in a party based on facts is really interesting position to be in. have we ever had a january 6th pushing a siege on the capitol. i don't know if we've ever been in these waters and if we don't have sanity coming out of the crazy, i don't know where you go after that. i'm just trying to bring some of that and liz is trying to do that and adam is trying to do that. let's be sane. our hashtag should be we're not crazy. push forward with that.

>> when i think of shape-shifter i think of moana. you're talking and i'm literally thinking. i think that's what you got to be right now. moana. >> former republican denver riggleman and susan del percio. appreciate it. we'll be right back. back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. dig in for just $8.99. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ comfort in the extreme.

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welcome back. let's turn now to covid and the latest step towards returning to prepandemic life. the cdc has now eased mask-wearing guidelines for fully vaccinated americans. the updated measures, which still call for mask-wearing in crowded indoor settings and public transportation will clear the way for reopening workplaces, schools, and venues, even the need for social distancing if you're fully vaccinated.

you can give a hug again. nbc's scott cohn with us outside trader joe's in san jose. trader joe's, one of many businesses embracing these new mask guidelines. what's the reaction that you've been seeing so far from customers there? >> reporter: you know, there's a little bit of confusion surrounding all of this, yasmin. we're at trader joe's because they took these new guidelines and ran with them. this is the statement out from them yesterday. we encourage customers to follow the guidance of health officials, including, as appropriate, cdc guidelines that advise customers who are fully vaccinated are not required to wear masks while shopping. at this trader joe's in san jose, california, where there is still an indoor mask mandate, people are generally staying masked and the reaction from customers right now is mixed. >> i'm a teacher. i have to wear it at work, so i've had it on for the last

forhours. it's a bit suffocating, so i have to take it off. >> reporter: what do you think of trader joe's? >> if we're able to loosen things up, why not? >> there's a large group of people who don't believe in the vaccine, and i can't that lifting the mandate is just going to give them free access not to wear a mask. i still need to protect myself. >> reporter: california, of course, was one of the most cautious states throughout this pandemic, the first in the nation with a stay-at-home order. governor gavin newsom says reversing all of that is not so simple. >> there's a whole host of complexities we all have to work through. we've been talking to other governors, some default to the cdc guidelines but are starting to appreciate some of the nuances and complexities around enforcement or lack thereof. >> reporter: so for now in california they are still saying everyone needs to be masked

indoors. we'll see how that changes. the governor promised an update yesterday afternoon. 24 hours later it's still status quo. i'm yasmin vossoughian, i'll be back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. good evening and welcome to to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, a state of denial. right now the entirety of the congressional gop is shedding any legitimacy it could hope for, and its new skin is just as ugly as the old one. even though the head is missing. yesterday, seven months after the general election, another one of donald