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deadliest attack between israel and hamas. hair strikes killed dozens of people in gaza and toppled buildings. crews are working to find survivors in the rubble. we have footage of air strikes of what israelis say is the home of the hamas leader and the hamas tunnel system. the u.n. security council met to discuss the conflict for the first time as fighting enters now its seventh day. we have two reports on the escalating fighting. nbc's monica alba will join us from the white house but we'll begin with nbc's ralph sanchez joining us from beirut. ralph, welcome. what do you know about these attacks this morning? >> reporter: alex, sauced, this is the single deadliest israeli air strike of this conflict so far. the death toll right now, 42 people killed in total including 16 women and ten children. that number has been rising all day because rescue crews in gaza city are still pulling bodies
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out of the rubble. now, i've been asking the israeli military all day, what was the target here, what were you aiming at? they just came back to me with a statement. i'll read you part of it. they said they were going for underground military infrastructure belonging to the hamas terror organization. the underground's military facilities collapsed, causing the foundations of the civilian houses above them to collapse also, leading to unintended casualties. now, i should say, nbc news has not independently verified those claims about an underground hamas military facility. but even if this was a legitimate military target, the question under international law is, does its military significance outweigh this massive civilian death toll? israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu appeared on cbs news a short while ago and was asked how much longer is this conflict
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going to continue and he indicated it is not going to end immediately. take a listen. >> we'll do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet. and on the security of our people and deterrence, we're trying to degrade hamas' terrorist abilities and to degrade their will to do this again. it will take some time. i hope it won't take long. but it's not immediate. >> reporter: for now, president biden seems to have accepted israel's argument that it needs more time on the battlefield to degrade hamas' military abilities. we have not so far seen much public pressure from the united states on israel to go for a cease-fire. hamas obviously a different story. the u.s. doesn't have many levers over them. but that pressure may increase as the civilian death toll rises, alex. >> because this is definitely getting the notice of the world. okay, thank you so much, ralph sanchez, for that. back stateside, let's check in
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with nbc's monica alba joining us from the monica, we showed a photo of the u.n. security council meeting. what is the white house doing to bring an end to this conflict, what can it do? >> reporter: ambassador linda thomas-greenfield was just speaking at that council meeting you were referring to, alex, expressing her concern over civilian casualties on both sides of this issue and continuing to urge both sides to come together for a cease-fire, although u.s. see with the reporting, that does not seem to be anywhere imminent. we know the president is monitoring this closely as pressure mounts on him to do something more publicly. so far he's had behind the scenes discussions with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas. yesterday he was here in the oval office for many hours, unusual for a saturday morning and afternoon to be sure, before
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he departed for wilmington where he is today. he'll return to the white house tomorrow. but this conflict is really exposing some of the divides within the democratic party in terms of those who feel this administration should be doing more at this juncture. take a listen to how congressman adam schiff framed it this morning. >> i think we need to do everything possible to bring about a cease-fire. i think the administration needs a to push harder on israel and the palestinian authority to stop the violence, bring about a cease-fire, end these hostilities, and get back to a process of trying to resolve this long-standing conflict. >> reporter: the u.s. has long supported israel's right to defend itself. that's something we saw in the u.s. readout of these calls yesterday with the israeli side as well as the palestinian side. but then of course yesterday when we saw those images of the high-rise that had been home to the ap bureau and other media outlets, we also saw the president more forcefully
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express his concern over the safety and security of journalists and an independent media. that's something that has been echoed over the last day, although we should point out the united states has not specifically called out that israeli air strike, instead speaking in more broad, general terms. in the week coming up, the president has a lot of different events on domestic priorities. you better believe, alex, he's going to be asked on this, pressed on this, to weigh in again on a more public manner than he has. and they've been doing a very delicate dance diplomatically so far of trying to keep a lot of this behind the scenes with dozens of calls from the national security adviser and the secretary of state with their counterparts overseas as well, alex. >> i think the relative silence working behind the scenes is going to end very soon on this. thank you very much, monica, from the white house. the day's other top stories, including pushback from the cdc director as new mask rules for fully vaccinated americans raise new questions and some concerns. dr. rochelle walensky on nbc's
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"meet the press" this morning defending the decision. >> as we are working towards opening up again, towards, after 16 months, getting out of this pandemic, we'll need to understand what they need to do locally. this was not permission to shed masks for everybody, everywhere. this was really science-driven, individual assessment of your risk. plus tensions on capitol hill escalating as the divide deepens within the gop. today, republicans are battling over how to move forward as a party when their leader is still fixated on his 2020 election lies. >> there is disagreement and it's time to move on. we can keep having that fight if we like. but what is the point and what is the outcome? we need to talk about the things americans care about. >> trump set the table. he's the one that continually brings up a stolen election narrative, he's the one who has convinced members of congress to
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have a hearing on january 6 to claim this was nothing but a tourist group or that it was hugs and kisses. you can't say he's the leader and then say we have to move on. and a stark warning from the congresswoman at the center of that division, liz cheney, after being purged from her leadership position. cheney speaking out this morning, saying january 6 could happen again or maybe even something worse. >> are you suggesting that january 6 could happen again or maybe something worse? >> i think there's no question. i mean, you know, we've now seen the consequences, we've seen how far the president, president trump, was willing to go. >> joining me right now is peter baker, chief white house where want with "the new york times" and msnbc political analyst. peter, what you heard right there, something even worse potentially could happen on capitol hill, i mean, is that something that resonates around the capitol? do you hear people concerned like that?
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>> well, i think what you hear from people at the capitol is concern over, you know, the future of democracy right now, the future of the system more broadly. you know, a number of congressmen would tell you on both sides of the aisle would tell you they feel like security is enhanced and they're not under immediate threat at the moment. there's legislation meant to harden security through the capitol, $2 billion, quite a lot of money. so the capitol is probably going to be, you know, pretty secure at the moment. the larger question is faith in our democracy. what you hear people in congress say is, look at these polls that show 70% of republicans believe biden wasn't elected legitimately. that's a huge corrosive, continuing problem for the system when you have a former president out there continuing to bang the drums about how this was supposedly a stolen election, even though that's false, and so many of his own
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supporters believing him, that continues to be a problem that people on both sides of the aisle are focused on. >> i'm curious where this goes from here. you have several gop members downplaying the insurrection attempt on january 6, right? what has become of the republican party, in the shadow of donald trump, and is there nothing but dysfunction in its future? >> to the extent wealth there was we thought there was going to be a civil war in the republican party, donald trump has won. he is the singular leading figure in the party, there's no one who comes close. if you talk to members of congress, they'll tell you he's got the support of the base, he's got the support of my constituents, so of course i'm going to stick with him. and there really isn't a countervailing pressure. you have pockets of resistance like liz cheney but truthfully she doesn't command the voters
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in the party who matter at the moment. maybe she can convince them otherwise. she'll continue to speak out, adam kinzinger will continue to speak out. but donald trump is the master of this party, it is the donald trump party. liz cheney, who has one of the strongest conservative records in the party, was replaced by somebody with a record comparable to many democrats. elise stefanik from new york is a moderate to the point of being almost liberal at least in the context of a republican party that's very conservative. they don't care about that. this point is not about issues, it's not about your philosophy or ideology. it's entirely about your fidelity to the leader, being donald trump. >> peter, moderate to some degree in her voting but not in her rhetoric. >> it's changed. she moved from being a new york state moderate who voted against donald trump on a lot of issues like his tax cuts and other issues to being one of his fiercest supporters, at least rhetorically.
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that term we saw in the 2019 house impeachment when she was on the committee that was considering the impeachment, she was one of his full-throated defenders. at that point she moved from the more moderate side of the party on ideology, on trump, to being one of his champions, if you will, in the republican party, 100% support for him over chip roy, who was her competitor to take the slot liz cheney had who had a much more conservative record but wasn't seen as the trump defender that elise stefanik had become. >> peter, i want to ask you about this because i know you had a short stint as a jerusalem bureau chief and you well know the long-simmering issues there in the middle east. what do you make of this latest outbreak of violence and what the biden administration can or should do? >> you're right, i was there five months about four years ago. what i learned then and i think
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is still true today is how much of a tinder box that place really is. we've become i think complacent over the years because it has settled into a kind of uneasy status quo without this sort of violence. but it took very little to set it off. that's because in fact the fundamental, elementary issues that put these two people in conflict with one another have remained at issue and unaddressed, in effect, really, in recent years. the trump administration tried and didn't get anywhere in terms of bringing the palestinians and israelis together. previous presidents tried and failed to get anywhere. you saw president biden basically try to avoid the issue altogether, seeing it as a political loser without much opportunity to make progress. but one thing you've learned about the middle east, you may want to ignore the middle east but it does not let you do that, it does not ignore you as a president. so here you have now president biden forced to take more of a
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decision, facing dissent within his own party on how much pressure he should put on bebe netanyahu. it's a real challenge at a time when he would rather be focusing on domestic priorities like his infrastructure plan and social spending plan. >> another issue the administration is having to respond to, the cdc guidance on masking. it was not in line with recent white house projections. one report suggests the white house was actually caught by surprise. is that possible? >> i think it is. i think it shows you right now kind of this confused messaging on this. there is obviously great happiness over the fact that the cdc says we've progressed to the point have vaccinated people can take off their masks, they're quite jubilant about that in some places. but the switching of the messaging has left people confused, business owners, employers, shop owners, as well as governors and county executives and mayors. what chuck got at with director
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walensky this morning was the contrast between her testimony earlier in the week defending the mask policy, even though she had already behind the scenes signed off on the change in policy that would be announced two days later, which left a lot of people shaking their head, trying to figure out, okay, what should we make of this at this point. so i think the clarity is missing, and the white house was taken off-guard, certainly a lot of people in the white house didn't know about it until it was announced right around then. so the clarity of messaging that people can get around is something they'll have to work on. >> i'm totally grateful for the clarity you bring to the show, though, peter baker, good to see you, my friend. to say donald trump's big lie is in the bloodstream of the republican party is an understatement. but how the gop is dealing with that could change american politics forever. is that even possible? someone on the front lines of that, next. hen we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪
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new today, house democrats getting ready to vote this week on a bill to create an independent commission to investigate the january 6 capitol hill riot. the top democrat and republican on the homeland security committee reached a deal on the legislation. but the agreement could fuel the battle already going on within the gop. nbc's amanda golden is joining us from capitol hill. amanda, welcome to you. could the democrats move forward with this without gop support? >> reporter: yes, alex, house democrats are moving forward on this within the week. house speaker nancy pelosi indicated they could bring this to a vote within the next two days, they could bring it up on tuesday. this is a real bipartisan breakthrough moment, something we rarely have here on capitol hill where we start to see things inch forward after months-long negotiations and a real stalled indicator of progress among congressional leadership over whether or not they could get this commission to actually come together in a bipartisan way.
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but as you noted, due to the house homeland security chairman and ranking member, that's democrat bennie thompson, and republican john paco, they're now putting forward this proposal they say will be a true bipartisan, independent, 9/11-style commission to investigate the deadly capitol riot we saw took place on january 6. what they're saying that this commission is going to do are a few key things. they're saying it's truly bipartisan, ten members, five per party, that they will have subpoena power if both sides agree, and they'll be authorized to investigate the events of january 6 and the immediate effects of what led up to it. they're also going to be issuing a final report that will be due by the end of this year. this also comes as house minority leader kevin mccarthy says he didn't sign off on it even though he had authorized paco to negotiate with bennie thompson.
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>> we have to do better. we are a better country than this. and this commission is one of those ways to show how we can improve who we are as americans. it's a great democracy. but it's sometimes fragile. this commission, we believe, will get us back to where we need to be as americans. >> i think it's going to be fair, it should get a good number of votes, and yes, i do hope kevin mccarthy supports it. it's important to get to the truth and find out just how widespread this thing was and what can we do to make sure it never can happen again. >> reporter: alex, as you noted, this comes amid continued republican infighting, real dissent within the party, especially in the house. we saw this week obviously congresswoman liz cheney lose her leadership position, being ousted over her comments speaking out against former president trump and his lies around the election results and instigaing violence related to january 6.
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this commission will look at exactly those things. so a lot to watch in the coming days and weeks here on capitol hill with this commission looking like it's going to pass in the house later this week. >> okay, thanks so much for keeping an eye on all that for us, amanda. so after congresswoman liz cheney's purged from her leadership position, a group of high level republicans are saying enough is enough, threatening to ditch their party and forming a new one. writing in an op-ed, we will not wait forever for the gop to clean up its act. we will help save america from extremist elements in the republican party. that means hastening the creation of an alternative, a political movement dedicated to our founding principles and divorced from the gop's obsessive cult of personality around a deeply flawed and twice impeached man whose favorability ratings are reportedly tanking in swing districts around the country. joining me now, one of the authors of that op-ed, michael steele, former chair of the
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republican national committee and msnbc political analyst. that was powerful, my friend, and as we look at you, a former party chair, threatening to start a new party, that is no small step. tell me what it is that really is most profound to you about all of this. and one thing i noted, the ratings in the key swing districts around the country about donald trump, is that a selling point for you? >> it's a beginning of the conversation. look, there's a lot that goes into this, as you know. and you are a student of journalism and politics and culture, so you know how all of these things come together in a way that you have to appreciate the interconnectedness of it. it really goes back to what you and peter baker were just talking about in the last segment. yes, we're going to do the things to secure the physical building, you know, we're going to spend $2 billion to make sure january 6 doesn't happen again. you can't breach the capitol.
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but what are we prepared to spend to secure those intangible things that go to the heart of who we are, the democracy itself, to secure us against the lies and the conspiracy theories, to secure us against bad actors, bad political players like josh hawley, donald trump, you know, ted cruz, others who perpetrated a lie, continue to do so, who sacrificed liz cheney's leadership on the altar of donald trump? and so that's what the next conversation for a lot of americans has to be around, how do we secure ourselves against the lies and against the kind of narratives that undermine the very fabric of who we are? so we want to have that conversation. this isn't about, oh, tomorrow we're starting another party. no. we're trying to terraform inside the gop, because, you know, yeah, everyone likes to report,
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you know, 80% of republicans are behind donald trump. well, okay, you can say that, but that's not reflective of every republican in the country. there are a lot of republicans like myself and others who are still inside the party who are not necessarily reflected in those polls. we have to be able to make this case and see how this thing begins to evolve. and we want to create a movement around these principles and ideas that talk about what we used to stand for and what we continue to believe in. >> i love the way you said that, sacrificing liz cheney on the altar of donald trump, particularly apropos on a sunday. by splitting a party in this polarized world, that's not going to work. would that hand democrats national elections for some time to come? >> you know, i don't think so. the party's already split. i mean, you've already got folks who aren't, you know, supporting what we stand for. we were -- at the time of the
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general election in '20, we were about 28% of americans identified themselves as republican. the latest polling i saw on that says it's down around 25%. more people identify themselves as independents than republicans. the party's trend line is going in the wrong direction. what does that mean for democrats? what's for democrats to figure out. what we're trying to say is, we want to create a viable political alternative witness the party and we're hoping people will join us in this effort. yes, in the moment, donald trump controls the levers. kevin mccarthy is his acolyte, doing whatever he needs to do. but the fact of the matter is they still have to go before voters. our goal is to get behind cads like liz cheney and adam kinzinger and others who support the ideas and ideals of democracy and are willing to sacrifice their own seat, if you will, to uphold those ideals, unlike what we see in elise
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stefanik who sees the political opportunism to cozy up to trump. we have her political record, we know where she stood three or four years ago and now we see where she is, that's something we have to battle as well. >> do you think trumpism is going to work its way out of the republican party's bloodstream before any third party or this re-jiggering of the republican party that you want to do can gain some serious traction or do you think there's no going back for the republican party at this point? >> the reality of it is you have to deliver the right political enema, right? you've got to clean it out. that's how i look at it. some others may be more polite about it. but that's how serious it is for me. someone who has been in this party for 45 years. i made the conscious decision to join in 1976 as a young
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17-year-old about to vote in his first presidential election, right? i don't need some yahoo who showed up six months ago telling me i'm an rino, that i'm not a republican. i don't need donald trump, who changed his party affiliation five times before 2015. so i don't need that. so my thing is, i'm going to stand the ground and fight in this moment. and i may lose. i may lose. i may get beat up by the trumpians, god bless 'em, that's what this is about. but i'm going to take some of you with me in the process because you're going to have to justify to me why you changed, i couldn't walked away from those values, why you stepped into this and threw our allies aside, embraced russia and putinism, embraced putting kids in cages. you have to tell us, because i know where i am, and that's what
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this narrative has to be about. those of us who are holding firm on that foundation have to stand strong on it and others have to explain why they moved off of it. i don't know why we're put on the defensive, and it's time to get off the defensive and go on offense with this plague inside the party and clean it out. you either win or you won't. >> you have a very bold approach to pursuing integrity within the gop, good luck with that. i'll be speaking with you again very soon. >> absolutely. there is at least one major group in the medical community that today is condemning the cdc's new guidance on masks. we'll tell you which group that is and why we're protesting the new rules. i'll be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. is she alright? i hope so. so i talked to my doctor about humira. i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other medications.
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settings including indoors. it comes as many americans heading outside this weekend are leaving their masks behind. >> this was not permission to shed masks for everybody, everywhere. this was really science-driven, individual assessment of your risk. we needed this foundation, this building block in order to revise all of that guidance. >> new today, the country's largest nurses' union is condemning this guidance. the executive director of national nurses united saying, quote, now is not the time to relax protective measures and we are outraged that the cdc has done just that while we're still in the midst of the deadliest pandemic in a century. this newest cdc guidance is not based on science, does not protect public health, and threatens the lives of patients, nurses, and other front line workers across the country. all of this comes with a new push to get shots into arms today. let's go to my colleague,
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msnbc's cory cori coffin. >> reporter: the doctors say this was a busy day for them. the cdc's announcement may be spurring on people to get their vaccine, saying "i want to get back to normal." we've seen a lot of people coming through, 30% are people who didn't know this was happening. 30% heard it on the news or word of mouth from family members. i talked to some of the folks out there, are they going to go maskless in the future, will they listen to the cdc guidance or do they want masks for a little longer. listen to what they told me. [ speaking in spanish ]
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>> he feels great that he got vaccinated because this way he could get back to normal. he could now take his mask off, he could speak in ways that people will understand him because they can see his face. and this way, everything is going back to the normal that he knew before. >> reporter: certainly is a sigh of relief like we were reporting yesterday. it's a sort of different sigh of relief, alex. this is more, people can get back to their jobs and get back to living their lives everyday, things they need to do, not just going out and being with friends. the nation's largest nursing union coming out against this guidance, most people here say they're going to wear their mask indoors despite the cdc guidance, they're just not ready
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to take that step at least here in new york. vaccinations have to increase, all health experts agree on that. we are now down to about 1.9 million shots in arms daily. so these communities like where we're at today find it very important to just as creative as possible to reach communities that haven't had it before. >> cori, yesterday you were in central park, you didn't wear a mask, it was so great to see your beautiful face again. but you said it's a transportation location so the rules are still there. what about you, did you feel like you wanted to wear that mask today inside? >> reporter: you know, that is a great question. i personally do feel that way. i still wear it inside, and i will continue to wear it inside, i think until -- i don't even know what that point is that i would feel comfortable. and a lot of people say the same thing, we don't have a timeline. >> i don't think a lot of people know when it is, we'll know it when we know it.
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thanks so much, cori. joining me is democratic congressman conor lamb. congressman, welcome, i'm so glad to see you. let's talk about what your constituents are telling you on these new cdc guidelines on masks. do you think at all there will be a level of help with vaccine hesitancy, people thinking, wow, maybe if i get the vaccine now i won't have to wear a mask? >> i really do. and it is a difficult issue, and we've seen all throughout the pandemic that communicating these decisions and these changes as they happen is hard. but that's not scientific process, you learn as time goes on. and it seems that the cdc is in position of very strong scientific evidence that says what happens to you after you get the vaccine, that it really does protect you from not only getting sick but from
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transmitting it to someone else. by being honest and clear with people, the cdc has done a great service. but it's on all of us to continue communicating and answering people's questions. >> january 6 is never far from our thoughts. the house could vote this week on legislation that would create a bipartisan commission to investigate the capitol riot. "the washington post" reports despite the breakthrough, bitter anger over the january 6 riot lingers in the house. do you feel that anger on the hill, sir? how much is january 6 affecting the day-to-day business there? >> it is affecting us, unfortunately. and many of us are trying nonetheless to continue the basic daily task of law making. and we're having success with plenty of republicans who recognize reality and understand the truth about january 6. the problem is that that is no longer a very large number. and i think, me personally, on january 6, i had a very hard time understanding how these people could come back into the house chamber after a police
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officer had succumbed or was about to succumb to fatal injuries, after a woman was killed, and continuing to try to overturn our democratic process. that's the choice they made at the institutional level, now with the ouster of liz cheney. it's impossible to negotiate with people like that. >> this week some of your republican colleagues have seemingly tried to rewrite history on what happened on january 6. let's take a listen to some of that. >> so was january 6 an insurrection or more accurately described as a mob of misfits? >> there was no insurrection, it's a bold faced lie. >> you didn't know the tv footage from january 6, you would think it was a normal tourist visit. >> what goes through your mind when you hear talk like this? does the persistence of the big lie by republicans worry you that any findings of the
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commission may not be accepted by the truth deniers? >> first of all, i wish that the two of them would have to go and pay a visit to the family of brian sicknick, the capitol police officer who died, or the other two police officers who took their lives, and say that to their face because i don't think either of them would have the courage to do that. these were not tourists, these were not misfits, this was an organized insurrection and all the images you're showing prove that. and it was organized around one person, donald trump, and his wishes and his lies. and they have now placed loyalty to trump over loyalty to the country. will they ever accept the findings of the commission? people like that, of course not. but the truth is that they are a minority of the united states of america and that commissions like this, bipartisan efforts like this, ongoing efforts by us to tell the truth and show the truth and prove the truth are going to be successful. we will not let these people succeed. we will not let them overturn our democracy or turn our
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political process into a constant stream of lies. it's not going to happen. it's going to be long and hard. but my belief on january 6 and still to this day is that we have to want this more than they do. we have to be more committed to the small "d" democracy than they are committed to these lies. and everything i've seen since then proves to me that we are and that we will prevail. >> congressman conor lamb, this was a great discussion, i'll look forward to having you back as long as you can make it. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. coming up, watch "the mehdi hasan show" tonight on msnbc. coming up, why what one congress member does toward another matters. matters. isted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health.
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on capitol hill, some lawmakers are fearing for their safety after a confrontation between congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and alexandria ocasio-cortez. the georgia republican reportedly chased the new york democrat down a hallway, berating her for allegedly supporting terrorists and not willing to debate her. the conflict between democrats and republicans in the house has only been ramping up. joining me now, dan callaway, susan del percio, and david jolly. let's get into this, guys. i'm looking forward to it. david, you worked there on the hill. have you ever seen this kind of behavior between two members of congress? have you ever seen an atmosphere like what we're seeing and feeling right now? >> look, the congress has
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certainly had some disputes that rose to the level of personal confrontation. in fact famously, there have been some fistfights and so forth. but they were always condemned, the members apologized, everybody acknowledged they acted out of turn. what's different in this political era, alex, is somehow these moments create contemporaneous on which someone likes marjorie taylor greene can seek additional fame and fundraising capital. that is a concern for our body politic. there is a rule of the house, every member swears and affirms to the house ethics code, it says a member should always reflect credibly on the house of representatives. marjorie taylor greene continues to open herself up to censure. if marjorie taylor greene continues down this path because she sees political currency, she
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will actually be admonished for it. >> don, there are democrats in the house who are refusing to work on legislation with republicans who supported trump's election lies. for example, here is one. two years ago, congressman earl carter signed on as the lead republican to legislation drafted by congresswoman madeleine dean to combat the opioid epidemic. but after his january 6 vote against biden's victory, dean would only allow carter to be an ordinary co-sponsor of the anti-opioid bill. it was scheduled on the fast track because the original version passed unanimously last year so it required a two-thirds majority for approval. instead, carter asked republicans to vote against the otherwise popular measure to protest how democrats treated him and republicans in general. what do you make of that? should democrats try to work with republicans who have amplified the big lie? can there be other issues that sidestep that mess or is it just too damaging to move past? >> you know, sometimes, alex, i get frustrated because we keep
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talking about the same thing every week. but you're right in having this topic every week. we have to talk about the big lie. we have to talk about the insurrection, because it's fundamental to how our democracy operates, not just in an electoral context but in an actual governance context. i cannot negotiate, work on america's major problems and serious challenges, with people who tried to kill me, right? and to some degree that's literally what would have happened had there not been security there on january 6. they would have found aoc. aoc thought she was going to die. you can translate that to what they would have done to anyone they thought was against donald trump. this is an extreme thing if you take it in its own context and say the congresswoman no longer wants to work with congressman carter on this particular issue and then the battle goes on. but the insurrection is so fundamental to how we do business and how we're going to be able to operate as a governing body going forward. and i really have a hard time seeing how we're going to be able to work on any number of
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issues if we're in existential fear for our safety and that of our democracy. >> and susan, the question has to be asked, where is kevin mccarthy? we have neither heard nor seen any action from gop leadership on this incident. what do you make that have? because this is their workplace. >> my guess is donald trump said don't do anything, kevin, so kevin's not doing anything. that's what he does, he jumps at what donald trump says. he has shown no leadership whatsoever as minority leader. he has allowed his members to say and do everything possible to stop governance from happening. if we cannot believe in a common good, in a common truth, how can we pass any legislation? how can we operate as a country? that falls squarely on kevin mccarthy's shoulders. the fact that no member, republican member has come out against marjorie taylor greene for her behavior against the
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congresswoman casio-cortez, is disgraceful. now we see republicans putting up people who want a good gig, who have a good personality, who have no idea how to govern and certainly wouldn't >> so, speaking of him, david, there's a new headline in "the washington post" this morning and it shows republicans conflicting message, embracing trump election lies that is key to prominence, just stop asking us about it. we saw this on display last week when kevin mccarthy said, quote, no one's questioning the legitimacy of the election, but they are. republicans have said exactly that. can they have it both ways, david? >> no, they can't. what we know is that they are more than happy to stoke this belief that the election was stolen, that it the deep state is out to get republicans, out to get donald trump. and here's the bottom line. and i appreciate the way don
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contextualized whether or not you can work with colleagues in this environment. what republicans on capitol hill are doing, kevin mccarthy, the congressman from georgia, others last week questioned the events of jan 6th, they are nurturing an environment where the violence we saw on january 6th will happen again. it will. if donald trump re-emerges in this party and the republican party continues to deny the events of january 6th, we know that donald trump, part of his political currency is to ignite this type of anger. so, if they get permission to the events that happened on january 6, 2021, who's to say it won't happen going into 2022 or 2024? that's the danger of their behavior on capitol hill right now. >> and, don, there's someone reporting trump is set to restart his campaign-style rallies next month. you might remember his last rally, it was january 6th. i mean, take a listen to what liz cheney said this morning. >> are you suggesting that january 6th could happen again or maybe something worse? >> i think there's no question.
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i mean, you know, we've now seen the consequences. we've seen how for the president -- president trump was willing to go. >> might these new rallies be a catalyst for more dangerous events? >> oh, absolutely. they are an intentional incitement of anger and unreasonable passion that led to what happened on january 6th. that's why it's so important that the department of justice is rounding up these folks who have -- and it's great that the citizens are, you know, telling on folks who participated in that because real people see how actually dangerous it was. however, if they are not prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and if you have members of congress and republican legislators across the country willing to say, no, it was just a tourist trip or they were hugging and kissing security guards, that's the messaging that gets out there that reminds people that it wasn't that bad, it wasn't that wrong, let's do it again. and david jolley is absolutely right, it will happen again and we should be ready for it. it's very dark and macabe but it
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good day to all of us from msnbc world headquarters. welcome to "alex witt report." we start on breaking news on the deadly attacks between israel and hamas. dozens of air strikes ki8d those in gaza and rescuers are working to help those survivors in the rubble. let's go to msnbc's roth sanchez standing by. >> reporter: alex, as you said, this is the single deadliest air strike we have seen in gaza. the death toll right now, 42 people killed, 16 women, 10 children. and t
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