♪♪ ♪♪ good day. this is andrea mitchell reports following breaking news in the middle east. the death toll is rising in gaza after overnight air strikes with dozens of israeli jets destroyed ten miles of tunnels israeli defense forces say, tunnels used by ham as to move 3,000 rockets. 11 people have died in israel and the gaza health ministry says close to 200 people have been killed there since the latest round of violence erupted, nearly half of them women and children. >> i went out of my anger and out of my body because they're killing people that they don't deserve to die. they're just living their own self. they come and kill them. >> the ongoing conflict is putting pressure on president

biden to take a more active role in pushing both sides of the conflict through the cease-fire. this morning secretary of state blinken speaking at a joint press conference in denmark slamming hamas for indiscriminate rocket fire while also calling to the israeli government to do everything possible to avoid more civilian casualties. the president will be making remarks on the pandemic in the next hour as mass confusion rose across the country. joining me now nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel in tel aviv and white house correspondent peter baker. richard, we see people sifting through rubble in their communities today. tell us what's the latest from there? >> reporter: so it was another night of punishing air strikes into the gaza strip, as you said, the israeli military saying it is targeting an underground tunnel network, subterranean city that they say hamas uses to move rocket, to

hide in, to move personnel, that it wants this metro as the israeli military describes it to be obliterated and that is what it has targeted and there are palestinian civilians that have been killed during this operation, and there was one incident in particular over the weekend when israel targeted a road. it targeted a road according to the israeli military because beneath that road there was a hidden, underground hamas structure and when it struck this road, three buildings, three apartment buildings full of people collapsed and the difficult image e the horrific images that have been circulating for the last 24 hours or so are of palestinians poorly-equipped rescue crews going to those buildings trying to find survivors. gaza is a desperate place. it has -- it is completely cut off and often described as a prison which means it doesn't

have any real search and rescue capability. very crudely equipped teams went there with construction equipment and a couple of backhoes and bars and their hands and they were pulling away concrete blocks and they managed to recover more than 40 bodies, about 50 wounded people and they say that this was an atrocity. earlier today i spoke to anise rail i military spokesman, and i asked him specifically with this building. how could the israeli military which is so precise in its targeting not know that if attacked right next to an apartment building there was a risk that buildings would come down? >> the three apartment buildings that went down where 40 palestinians were killed and we had a camera that was there. they were taking women and children from the rubble. you tell me what happened. >> first of all, it's horrible visuals. i agree. as a human being, you see that,

you feel the suffering and there's no denying. what it doesn't show below ground. below ground hamas has created a city under a city, a system of tunnels and command posts and rocket-firing positions which they use in order to hide away from our activity and provide shelter for their operative, for the hamas terrorists and not for the civilians. >> reporter: the question now is where do things go from here? is this the last licks of a conflict where hamas and israel are able to say that they have achieved their goals without triggering a full-scale military invasion and a ground assault into gaza which so far has not happened and there are israeli troops positioned around the border and have not gone in and that's where diplomacy comes in, and i was told by a senior israeli diplomat that israel

does want a cease-fire on its terms and hamas is interested in a cease-fire on its terms. so we will see if that is possible for this new administration to help achieve. >> and peter baker, we know that the administration is working through egypt to deal with hamas, as well as the qataris to deal with hamas, different aspects of the hamas leadership and not directly talking to them. this is what the secretary of state had to say earlier today while traveling in denmark. >> hundreds of people killed or injured including children being pulled from the rubble. we're also alarmed by how journalists and medical personnel have been put at risk. palestinians and israelis like people everywhere, have the right to live in safety and security. this is not an israeli privilege or palestinian privilege, it's a

human right. >> there was? nuance in there, a gradual shift because blinken as well as the president was concerned about that israeli attack on the media tower. the israelis insist they have intelligence justifying that attack and there were hamas intelligence offices in that building and not just associated press, al jazeera, bbc and others. at the same time, peter, you know how sensitive this is. there are war crime issues when you tag journalists directly and they have not justified what that intelligence is. >> that's right. secretary blinken said he hadn't seen any intelligence that moved it. this is a big problem and it's left the biden administration, of course, in a flurry of diplomacy trying to get something, you know, done here in terms of calling off hostilities and secretary blinken has made numerous calls and other administration officials including the president have made calls. obviously, they've sent an envoy to the region, and so far, the

diplomacy hasn't achieved anything and the question as richard said whether this will be a relatively quick confrontation where both sides make their point at the suffering of many civilians or it could be worse escalating to the violence we saw in 2014 with the big confrontation between israel and hamas lasted for two weeks with 2,000 or more killed and the biden administration trying to prevent that and not finding much success in their diplomacy. >> peter, the secretary of state can get engaged directly, but there's some flexibility of the schedule and no indication yet this he would go to the region. >> that's right, exactly. it is a relatively low-level deputy assistant secretary of state and that's not a huge commitment of prestige on the part of the administration, and the question is whether it would be useful for somebody in a

higher rank, as you said, a secretary of state to go in and would that make a difference and would that change things with prime minister netanyahu and it would impress the palestinians to call off the rocket attacks and that's not clear. they don't want to send in the secretary of state if it's going to be a failed effort. that's a bad thing for american influence in the region, so you won't see him going unless there is a chance of success and he's want going and we'll continue to see more hostilities for a while. >> richard engel, peter baker, thanks so much to both of you. joining us now rashid kalini. thank you very much for giving us more context here. i want to play what we heard from secretary blinken in copenhagen today. >> we call on other groups in gaza to end the rocket attacks immediately.

i have also said that israel as a democracy has an extra burden to do everything possible to avoid civilian tragedies even as it defends itself and its people. we call for an end to the ongoing violence within mixed communities in israel and we urge all parties to avoid any actions that undermine the chance for future peace. >> are you hearing anything new from the administration in the last couple of days beyond what was initially said by the state department last week that israel has the right to defend itself? >> frankly, no. this mantra of israel has the right to self-defense is essentially a cover for -- i think it means that this administration in the united states are complicit from shielding israel from any real pressure such as the u.n. security council was prepared to exert yesterday, and which was prevented by the stonewalling of the u.s. ambassador.

i think what we're talking about it has to be seen in real terms as war crimes and it's not just targeting civilians. it's indiscriminate use of violence and it's disproportionate use of violence. israel has has a military doctrine for force, and i think that what the united states is doing is basically running interference for israel as it commits war crimes. it can be argued that the indiscriminate firing of rockets at israel is also a war crime, but to put the own us on hamas as this administration does to repeat this mantra that israel has the right to defend itself is essentially shielding israel and providing cover for the continuation of an attack, that it seems from what prime minister netanyahu says will continue with more tragic loss of life, mainly palestinian life. 20 to 1. the numbers matter. they're human beings and there's a piece with a young woman speaking from gaza, but the

numbers also matter. over 200 palestinians have been killed and those are the proportions in every one of these wars. in 2014 it was each more disproportionate and over 2,000 people were killed when israel dropped 100 kilotons on gaza. let's stop before that happens. >> what do you say to what netanyahu says that hamas is using the media offices and others as civilian shields and having hamas military intelligence burrow in into these areas? >> i have no idea what was happening inside the tower. what i will say is what ben wedeman, the chief correspondent for one of your competitors said this morning on npr was that he watched an israeli apache helicopter fire through a window and kill someone. it was perfectly possible to

destroy that office in a similar fashion. i think it was intentional the destruction of this and several other towers in gaza. israel does this systematically. i lived in beirut during the 1982 war. they did the same thing. i've seen buildings crumbling like that. i've seen buildings crumble like that by those kinds of air strikes, and so i think that whether it's true or not, and i have no idea whether it's trau true or not and this is being used as a means to punish the people of gaza. hamas is not suffering if it loses an office and hundreds of thousands living in those buildings are suffering and the hundreds of other people who are in buildings being destroyed with families in them are losing their loved one, lively hood and possessions. >> i think that kind of thing should be called out by the united states if it ever wants to move away from its current position which is in no way even handed to a position actually

trying to speak in accord here, and things that the united states have prevented the party from discussing for decades and decades and decades and those are issues that have to be resolved and simply talking about this, this outbreak of violence when there's been ongoing of violence eviction of people in terms of all kinds of other measures and it routinely engages in. they want to focus on hamas and they want to demonize hamas and what they want to do is avoid her looking at the bigger picture and this is part of the process going on for decades and decades with the disposition of the palestinians. >> it's been going on for decades with u.s. administrations and for the last four years the palestinians were completely shut out of negotiations. yet at the same time their leadership has been so weak and corrupt in the west bank that it has empowered hamas to show its muscle, is it not?

>> that's correct. another element here is the demonization of hamas which follows a playbook that we saw with the plo, which follows the playbook we saw with the african national congress, which follows the playbook we saw with the irish republican army back in the day. in every one of these case e the colonial power to avoid negotiating, really negotiating, paints and demonizes its enemy in the way israel has systematically demonized hamas. i don't advocate violence. do not talk to those engaged in the violence means you don't want to settle the conflict, and that is what the demonization of hamas as the demonization of the ira and the plo and africa was meant to do. in those cases a more statesmanlike approach finally prevailed. the clerk sat with ira and rabin sat down with arafat, and that

is what this israeli government is not willing to do. >> thank you so much, professor khalidi, and i want to say that we have reached out for the last couple of days, reached out to israel's leaders including the prime minister. it is a jewish holiday, a religious holiday and they are not available today and we are hoping they will join us tomorrow. continuing here at home, the sex trafficking investigation surrounding matt gaetz is taking a new turn. gaetz' former associate has pled guilty to several counts in court. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. explore uncharted waters, and not only make new discoveries, but get there faster, with better outcomes. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate change-- meeting them where they are, and getting them where they want to be.

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joel greenberg, a former associate republican of congressman matt gaetz pled guilty to six of 33 charges against him including sex trafficking of a minor. a former florida local tax official agreed to fully

cooperate with federal investigators. his case led to a sex trafficking investigation of matt gaetz who was a close ally of former president trump's. gaetz was not mentioned in the court paper which is is normal and has not been charged with a crime. congressman gaetz has repeatedly denied wrongdoing. kerry sanders is outside the courthouse in orlando. kerry, what's happened in court today? >> reporter: well, in the courtroom joel greenberg was shackled both at the ankles and at his hands wearing a blue jump suit and for about an hour the judge went through the six counts in the plea agreement. he was initially charged with 33, but of course, the most attention getting is the procurement of a minor for sex trafficking. not only did the agreement that he signed now and agreed in open court that he had hired a young woman, age 17 years old for sex acts for himself, but also for others and of course, the big question is who are those others? and that is information that the investigators may now be able to

get in part because of this plea agreement. it's stated in the plea agreement in part that the defendant here agrees to cooperate fully with the united states in the investigation and prosecution of other persons and to testify. so that means joel greenberg is now beginning to tell all tales with all information that he has to help the investigators wherever this investigation may lead. andrea? >> kerry sanders, thanks so much. joining me now is the former assistant director for fbi, and host of the podcast the bureau launching may 25th. frank, let's talk about a portion of your fbi career when you supervised crime against children, a squad that was charged with investigating the transport of minors for sex trafficking. this is right up your alley. joel greenberg has agreed to cooperate and what could it

signal potentially for matt gaetz? >> andrea, it is extremely rare, with the notable exception of jeffrey epstein for federal prosecutors to cut a deal with someone who is guilty of trafficking minors or adult women for sex purposes. so we should take note that the cutting down from 33 charges to six charges is extremely significant and indicates that greenberg has a lot to share about big fish. so that's number one. number two, let's read through that cooperation agreement, that guilty plea and let's see that conspiracy has been left there and he conspired with another party, another seemingly guilty party to commit these federal felonies. so that other person is what we're waiting for. the other thing i would remind viewers is it's not -- whale we all understandably focus on underaged girl, a 17 girl allegedly, let's not forget that it is a serious federal offense

to traffic women of any age across state lines and/or commercially for the purposes of sex and let's layer on another serious charge that i think is coming, and that is a kind of bribery, quid pro quo charge, because there is reporting that gaetz took in return for some political favors, trips to bahamas, other places that were allegedly paid for by others seeking to do business with gaetz. if that's true, he's got bribery charges and corruption charges to worry about, as well. >> frank, i just want to point out we were showing file b roll, what we call b-roll of greenberg in his office, in his traffic office with his police badge -- it wasn't really a police badge, it was some kind of other semi-official badge and a side arm and that's the way he used to like to appear when he was working in his local office.

whatever this means about him, but he's now appeared as kerry was saying, in federal court in blue prison garb. let's talk about what matt gaetz could face if it is indeed he the other mentioned co-conspirator, what might he be facing in federal court? >> this is growing quite serious because he's looking at commercial sex trafficking and i've heard a lot of people saying that's hard to prove, commercial, trafficking. look, if the reports are accurate, that a site called sugar daddies, for example, was involved and that payment was made through venmo or other commercial pay apps, look, it's hard to argue that a commercial pay app and a public business site called sugar daddies is not commercial so he'll have real difficult we that. i know what he's going to do which i've seen other defendants do say i was just told these girls were friend of a friend and they were presented and i was giving them money for

travel, trips, dinner, food, rent, it wasn't explicitly for sex. that's not going to work if he had knowledge of the venmo payment, the sugar daddy site and greenberg was telling him exactly what was going on and it particularly wasn't going to work if he knew that that girl was under age and had something to do with fake i.d.s to legitimize these young ladies as adult. i think he's facing deep issues. >> frank figliuzzi, and the bureau launching on may 25th and still ahead, mask or no mask, that's what people are asking before they go into retail stores and so many different rules depending where you go and what state you're living in. we have expert advice from medical advisers coming up. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™

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news, new york governor andrew cuomo announcing that starting wednesday new york state will flow longer masks or social distancing indoors for vaccinated people, this after the cdc received those new mask guidance for the more than 120 million americans who have been fully vaccinated and that comes as states and businesses across the country are still sorting out what thursday's new guidance

means in practice, weighing whether to keep or drop mask requirements without knowing who is and who isn't vaccinated. the question for the cdc director on "meet the press." >> this was not permission to shed masks for everybody everywhere. this was really science-driven, individual assessment of your risk. right now the data, the science shows us that it is safe for vaccinated people to take off their masks. >> and joining me now is nbc's von hilliard in virginia. >> this is largely coming down to these corporations' own visions about what they'll have in their place in their stores. over the weekend there are large retailers, costco being one of them that updated their own rules to reflect the cdc's

guidance, but just today starbucks now lifted their own requirements for masks. target including this one here behind me at their 2,000 retailers a cross the country, they literally just this morning took the signs off of the doors requiring masks, but this is not the place, not necessarily the situation for all corporations. the likes of home depot, walgreen's, cvs, there are some of those that kept their mask requirements in place and just about a block down the road there is one of those home depots and we spent time asking folks as they still had their masks in their hands what they thought about the requirements. take a listen. >> you're about to head into home depot. you've got a mask? >> right here. >> ready to go? >> you haven't thought about not wearing it yet? >> no, not yet. >> i follow the guidance, but ultimately it's up to the individual stores if they want you to wear a mask or not. >> i'm always about doing my part to help move this forward and get out of this situation

because we're all tired of it, but hopefully the end is in the future. >> reporter: andrea, of course, the concern is with the requirements by these corporations that just fully vaccinated folks can come in without a mask. the question is this is very much of an honor system just how many people are coming in unmasked that are not vaccinated. we met one woman who told us it's her personal freedom and nearly two-thirds of the public are not vaccinated, andrea. >> joining me now is dr. amina patel and dr. eric feigelman, with the federation of american scientists and both are co-authors of a new op ed in "the daily news," covid remains a dire threat. how to keep schools safe. dr. patel, first of all, will the honor system work? how do you know who is vaccinated? who isn't? should there be some sort of

vaccine passports, what do you do? >> yeah, andrea, good to be with you, and i think that the honor system doesn't work, and not because people are trying to be malicious or have bad intentions, honestly, we just know that people are going to walk up to that home depot and if they see everyone going in being maskless, human psychology will make it hard to evercome that. without an honor system we do need federal technical guidance. they do not want to issue vaccine passport, we understand that, so that all of these dozens of apps being developed have some promotion that they're free, help in different languages and interchangeable. imagine having five different apps on the phone to communicate the same thing, and that's where most of us, if we look at europe other and countries, they have put a premium on this is what we're going to do. it will be standardized and it will just be available and that

will help us to be able to understand if people get infections after vaccinations and that would create a way to crowd source valuable information after we get through this milestone which we should acknowledge is a huge milestone of being able to take away our masks once vaccinated. >> and that is a big factor, of course, the ability to spread the virus after you've been vaccinated. a lot of focus has gone, dr. feigeldean, and the last nine players after i checked. dr. ashish jha saying they were infected by an unvaccinated individual and the virus did not spread between them. what do you think? >> first of all, i think the outbreak clearly shows that even if you're vaccinated you are still susceptible of carrying it, and carrying it to vulnerable people, and that's the main reason we still ask

people it on mask. that's the many reason why fauci asks people to mask because you never know who might have a vulnerable person at home especially a child who is not vaccinated and the teenage group has been approved and kids will not have vaccines for a long time. there are many children who are vulnerable and the key thing is even though you yourself won't suffer the disease, you can carry it to a vulnerable family member and that is the key issue. and whether or not it came from someone else or someone else on the team, is negligible. we have contact tracing in the u.s. to know for sure. at the end of the day it's about protecting those who can't get vaccinated yet and there are two-thirds of americans that are want yet fully vaccinated. >> to your point, dr. patel, the children in schools, dr. fauci told me on friday that probably they're not going to get to the

youngest children until 2022. so are kids safe going in in the fall if there are so many unvaccinated children mook them? >> that's what we tried to address in the op-ed and it starts with acknowledging that the in is airborne. it goes to prove that the virus will just continue to try to reproduce in people especially who are not protected, vis-a-vis children, and we have not done any studies to look at children in a maskless environment because we've been keeping them out of school and we've been putting masks on them. schools need to focus on ventilation, air quality and masks and we should have scenarios to plan for that for the fall and starting now for kids in school now. >> dr. patel, thank you so much. dr. faddeldean, thanks to you. on the hill, dozens of senate democrats are calling for a

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cia, jeremy you spent years dealing with this region, tragic results on all sides. let's talk about what the biden administration can do to ratchet this down. >> want to play what jen psaki had at the briefing and asked her to translate her careful wording into something that we can understand, all of us. >> our calculation at this point is that having those conversations behind the scenes weighing in with our important strategic partnership we have with israel and other countries in the region is the most constructive approach we can take. our approach is through quiet, intensive diplomacy. >> so what is likely the quiet intensive diplomacy? i'm assuming there was a call to saudi arabia, as well, this weekend to try to have some leverage with hamas as well as the leverage we reportedly would have with israel.

>> that's right, andrea. what the biden administration is doing with hamas to pressure them to stop raining down on population centers. by the way, this is a lot different from the war if 2014. in 2014 during the entire war which lasted seven weeks hamas fired 4,000 rockets. in one week alone they have fired 3,000 rockets at israel which if you just do the math, which means hamas has amassed the ability to go against israeli population centers and that is the u.s.-funded iron dome defense system in israel could get overwhelmed and in addition the quality of the rockets have changed, andrea and they can hit 50 miles intoes rail and hit the ben gurion

airport and put pressure on hamas to stop the rocket attacks. of course, no one wants to see the loss of life and the heartbreaking images from gaza are heartbreaking to watch and we have to make clear in terms of our values and in terms of our morals that the people who bear the responsibility of this are the hamas terrorists who put rockets in kindergartens and hospitals and under civilian places like apartment buildings and that is the moral outrage that should come from capitol hill, from the u.n. and from the u.s. >> to play devil's advocate here, the israeli bombing is more or less indiscriminate. if there is a hamas office they take down an entire tower. they gave them notice to get out and argued against ten-minute extension that the owner of the building was pleading for to try to get the equipment out so all of their equipment, their transmission abilities and their archives are gone forever.

>> yeah, i think, andrea, there are three legs to the israeli defense tool, their red alert sirens and bomb shelters and the iron dome and missile defense and they are designed to give missile defense, and they cannot degrade hamas' infrastructure, and they have to take targeted strikes against hamas. by the way, if they didn't, hamas would just shoot more rockets at israel. so no military in the world and that was in the pentagon during the 2012 gaza world and the leaders in the department of defense, said no country in the world calls ahead and says we'll give you an hour before we strike a terrorist target. we don't do that in the united states. we've never done that and israel does it because as i said, hamas uses human shields and what is so concerning about this particular outbreak is that it is throughout israel proper.

so arab israeli is attacking the jewish-israeli neighbors, fighting with neighbors in the streets. they've really got to be concerned about that because that is a proportional difference in this outbreak. it's not confined to the territories. and andrea, you're right. i think that's the difference here which is the intercommunal violence is very disturbing. i've talked to people in israel and they say what bothers them more than the shelters during rocket attacks is the intercommunal violence. the question is what is the prospect for a peaceful settlement between is rail and the palestinians. of course, the palestinian all the authority led by mahmoud abbas, hamas would win in the same way they won in 2006 and haven't had an election since and for those of my friends in the democratic party if we got rid of the bibi netanyahu's government, don't forget that

benny ganz is the defense system and the war would unfold, the exact same way and unfortunately for israel if they were to make a deal with the palestinians, hamas believes not in a two-state solution and they believe in a one-state solution and they would continue their terror reign throughout israel. so unfortunately, as much as i would like to see an agreement between israel and palestine, i don't think that will stop hamas. the only thing that will stop hamas is a military campaign the likes of which israel is undertaking. >> politically, right now the big winners are hamas on one side against the palestinian authority's weak leadership and netanyahu who had run out of strength and now politically, might have another shot at forming a government. >> jeremy bash -- >> ganz is his partner on that, but i agree with you on that,

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the clock is ticking for congress to reach a deal or police reform. officer immunity from lawsuits is a major point of disagreement. joining me now garrett haake. senator scott leading the talks on the republican side. any movement towards a compromise? >> reporter: the rule is in washington, there's not an agreement on anything until there's an agreement on everything. that seems to be what's bedevilling the conversations now with qualified immunity the biggest sticking point. the three key negotiators, tim scott, karen bass and cory booker, met several times last week. i'm told they are expected to meet a handful of times this week. everyone involved in this continues to be optimistic they will come to some sort of deal

here. over the last week or two, we had a little step back where jim clyburn suggested it would be possible to do a deal on police reform without including changes to qualified immunity at all and come back to it later. that hasn't sat well with democrats, with activists. you have to remember, this is not an issue like the infrastructure bill, for example, where democrats and republicans both want to do something. they just disagree on how to do it. republicans by and large, with the exception of tim scott and a handful of others, could take it or leave it on doing the police reform bill. anything that would seem to give republicans more leverage on one of the most controversial issues has been problematic. i talked to cory booker. he suggested it's where you go after the most offensive cases. but this continues, as it has been since last year, to be the biggest problem in getting to a deal on police reform. >> garrett, clyburn tried to

walk that back in a conversation with me on our show last tuesday. you are right, the booker compromise is basically what they are talking about. thanks, garrett. i know you will keep watching it. joining us is tamika mallory. her new book "state of emergency, how we win in the country that we built" is out now. congratulations on your book. what do you want to see out of this bill? the compromise that they are talking about, some limited qualified immunity that does allowing suing some officers, would that be good enough? >> i think qualified immunity as it is should remain in the bill. i think that we are tired of having to compromise on things that really do not allow us to get full justice. i think in the name of george floyd and so many others who

have fallen victim to police abuse, we need to see something that is strong. and i think the bill as it currently is should remain. i think that the bill could even go further. for us to step back in any way is harmful. i don't believe that communities will feel safe and feel like this was done really in the best way that it could be if it is changed. >> we have another -- on another front, the supreme court today declined to make it easier for police to enter private homes and conduct searches without a warrant. a case in rhode island was in question. does it remind you of the breonna taylor case? >> absolutely. what we want to see, of course, in the george floyd justice in policing act is a ban on no knock warrants. that's something that's already been happening across the country where many different cities and states are looking at banning on the local level no

knock warrants. i think it's so important, when you look at what happened to breonna taylor and the protests that erupted as a result that we have policy that addresses some of the reasons why she was murdered that night, why she was killed. making sure that there is a ban on no knock warrants and dealing with searches is really important. i think the overall issue here is that there has to be accountability. there certainly needs to be an overhaul of policing in this country so that we can keep communities safe, keep police safe and make sure that our communities are functioning in the best and most successful and healthy way possible. >> in your book, you call on people not to get complacent as they push for change on issues like police reform. how do you keep momentum going at the local level? >> unfortunately, there's still so much happening. i mean, while we were waiting for the end of the trial for

derek chauvin for killing george floyd, you had daunte wright killed. two days after the verdict, we had to go to a funeral service and bury a young man who was killed because a woman -- a police officer, 24-year veteran, says she accidentally pulled her gun rather than her taser. these instances are continuing. it has not stopped. it persists. i think that's why state of emergency is important. >> thanks so much for joining us today. thanks for wrapping up the show with us. follow us online, on facebook and on twitter. kasie hunt is up next with "mtp daily" right here on msnbc. bc ro® the suncare brand used most by dermatologists and their families, neutrogena® for people with skin. i don't hydrate like everyone else. because i'm not everyone else. they drink what they're told to drink.

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