this is where i want to be. talk to your doctor and ask if latuda could make the difference you've been looking for in your bipolar depression symptoms. if it's tuesday, breaking news out of north carolina, where prosecutors just made public some of the vody camera video in the fatal police-involved shooting of andrew brown jr., and the

district attorney ssers were justified in that shooting. plus, a major split in the gop over whether to back a bipartisan agreement to form a commission to investigate the january 6th siege at the capitol. the house's top republic now opposing the deal. will the party try to quash the commission all together? and a new train of attack in israel and gaza, hours after president biden said he supports a cease-fire. the violence suggests there's no end in sight from this conflict. good tuesday afternoon. it is "meet the press daily." i'm andrea mitchell in for chuck todd. kasie hunt will be with us in a moment. but we start this hour with breaking news, a court ruled deputy courts were justified in

the deadly shooting of andrew brown jr. last month. they were serving an award warrant on felony drug charges. in a press conference that ended about an hour ago, district attorney andrew womble said none of the others involved would be criminally charged and their actions were consistent with their training. >> mr. brown's death, while tragic, was justified because mr. brown's actions caused three deputies with the pass kwa town's sheriff's office reason to believe they needed to use deadly force to protect themselves and others. the decision to flee which brown made on his own quickly escalated the situation from a show of force to employment of force. >> during the press conference, some of the body camera video was played but we want to warn our viewers what we're about to show you may be disturbing. >> let me see your hands!

hands! [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> let me see your hands! show me your hands! >> the bodycam videos that were made public today shows the 44 seconds from the time officers arrived at brown's home to the time they opened the car door at the shooting. the sheriff's office said a s.w.a.t.-style team was used because brown was a convicted felon with a history of resisting arrest. the d.a. said he did not speak to the brown family before today's briefing, citing a tense relationship. joining me now, catie beck is in

north carolina and director of the black law enforcement alliance and georgetown school of law professor and former federal prosecutor paul butler and, of course, joining us is the regular host scheduled for today, kasie hunt. kasie, take it away. >> thank you so much, andrea, for getting us started and thanks to all of you for being here. let's dive right in. catie beck, let me start with you on the ground in north carolina. quite a press conference there from the d.a. walk us through what happened there in the last hour or so and what we expect to possibly hear from family members going forward. >> kasie, it was obviously a very tense room as he defended his position, the district attorney saying these law enforcement officers were completely justified in this shooting. at no point did they violate the constitution, north carolina law nor their duty, and oath to serve and protect. he said he feels mr. brown posed a direct threat to those officers as well as to the

safety of the community and they were simply acting in self-defense to protect themselves and others by taking the actions they did. he did show the bodycam footage. we were able to watch all four body camera footage worn by deputies. he carefully pointed out when deputies made contact with mr. brown's car, considering that to be the moment of threat. he did say he was not making this decision based on public opinion, that despite calls for transparency and showing this video sooner than today, he was conducting a very thorough and independent review, going over the report that the state bureau of investigation compiled as well as interviewing deputies, even talking to other d.a.s and other counties in north carolina who confronted similar situations. he said this was the action of a violent felon maneuvering a car as a weapon toward deputies who felt threatened and felt they needed to neutralize that threat. he did face some tough questions

from the press, many who saw that video in a different light, asking why deputies simply couldn't have waited and caught up to mr. brown at a later time. his response to that was, would it be any less tense or violent then? their duty to serve and protect, execute the warrants they were there to serve. they were asking him as well about talking to the brown family, if he had had a chance to break them the news before breaking it to us. here's what he had to say on that -- >> our original discussions immediately after this occurred with mr. brown's attorneys did not go well. we tried -- or there was a second meeting with the family in which the attorneys were not present, and at this point, the relationship is just constrained to the point i did not speak with them. i will be happy to talk with them at length after this is over. >> the district attorney was also asked about impartiality. he was asked by the brown's family attorney to rescue

himself from this case because he has relationships with several of the deputies that were involved. he said there was no need to do that, he's answerable to the people of this county and that someone who was outside of this county or an independent wouldn't have that sort of answerable position and wouldn't be as accountable in this situation. so he felt that he was the appropriate person and he did conduct this investigation impartially. kasie? >> mark claxton, let me go to you on this. you're a former nypd detective. does what the d.a. said here check out based on the new information that we have here? what's your take on what these officers decided to do in that situation? >> kasie, there's so much troubling and disturbing about how this investigation, if you will, is proceeding. let's be clear that the prosecutor is acting based on

his interpretation of the applicable state laws, but he's also acting under his own biases that exist. he's acting without full objectivity. he's acting and speaking and making declarations based on even the relationship that often exists between prosecutors, officers and police officials. so he carries a whole lot of baggage along with him as he makes this declaration of proclamation. i think it's really a demonstration of why it's vitally important to have independent investigations and reviews of police-involved incidents. i think it's also important that people keep in mind that the prosecutor has chosen to

cherry-pick specific portions to show. nothing has been in confidence and there's been lack of transparency and that doesn't bode well when you're trying to establish a respectful, honest, working relationship. >> paul butler, can you talk us through a little bit about how the law in north carolina -- and i realize this is not perhaps your most intense area of expertise, but as someone who is familiar with how this can vary from state to state, north carolina seems to have a statute that reporters asked about repeatedly during the press conference because it creates a special set of rules for viewing this kind of footage and to the point that marq was making about transparency here. what is your view of opponent conflicts that marq raises? >> kasie, the police were trying to arrest an unarmed, black man in his car. 44 seconds later they shoot him dead. there are open questions about whether the district attorney's decision not to hold any officer

accountable is objective and consistent with the evidence. the d.a.'s comments made it seem like mr. brown, the victim, was the one being investigated. the d.a. sounded like a sheriff in a western movie, essentially saying they had to take mr. brown dead or alive. kasie, that's not the law for someone the police are trying to investigate and arrest for a nonviolent drug crime. they could have let him go and arrested him another time. and another important question is whether mr. brown was simply trying to escape or whether he was trying to run over the officers. trying to escape or resist arrest do not on their own justify the police killing you. >> so, paul, is there any recourse now for the family? what happens next? >> so there's a federal investigation going on right

now. the justice department has brought charges, federal civil rights charges against the officers who are implicated in the case of minneapolis involving george floyd. under attorney general garland we've seen stepped-up enforcement against police departments and individual officers. still federal prosecutions face a higher standard than state prosecutions and sometimes the justice department can move quite slowly. it took them five years to decide not to bring federal charges in the case involving eric garner in staten island. so i think we're unlikely to see the feds move quickly but that's a possibility. >> so marq claxton, let me let you weigh in on this as well. it does seem like this book has been shut by the state d.a. is there anything else in your view available here? and do you think the federal investigation can move quickly

enough to give people a sense of justice? >> i have so many questions about what is the extent of this federal involvement? is the federal government at this point -- first of all, they weren't able to answer into this quote/unquote investigation at the very beginning. but since they have been somewhat involved, is there involvement merely a matter of receiving documents and making observations, or are they more actively involved or had they been more actively involved? did they have an opportunity not to just sit in possible interviews or whatever, interrogations, occur, but they they been proactive in leading those investigations? i suspect not because this is still being handled by the local prosecutor's office. but you hate for the federal government to just idly stand by

while these investigations are occurring because there's so much in this stage of an investigation that is vitally important and cannot be reconstructed. crime scenes cannot be reconstructed efficiently and effectively, in order for there to be any substantial investigation. so even the federal investigation itself starts behind the eight ball, if you will, because there are things that went on initially that tend to coopt investigations moving forward, and that's going to be problematic. >> so, marq, what's your sense of weather the public should be able to see more of the body camera footage? we obviously saw some of it today. the d.a. said that that was partly because there's difficult footage of this man after he passed away from his injuries. does it concern you at all they're still holding some of

this back? >> it's very disturbing. i firmly believe that the sunlight is the best defense in this particular case. and i believe the more you can show, and the more that is available for public viewing, the more faith and confidence people have in the process itself, when you decide to cherry-pick footage, when you decide to narrate footage without showing it in full context, you're twisting the investigation. and people like myself lose confidence in the integrity of the investigation and we start to examine what are the other possible bias points that are going on? this case is full of bias points. that is very troubling and disturbing. and why there has to be an increase in independent examination and investigation of not only this incident, but all

police-involved shootings. >> marq claxton and paul butler, thank you so much for being here to cover this breaking news with us. we really appreciate it. we will keep our eyes on this developing story and bring you any updates as they come in. up next -- breaking news on capitol hill, the top republican in the house is opposing the bipartisan agreement struck by one of the top members of his caucus to form a commission to investigate the january 6th siege on the capitol. nobody builds 5g like verizon builds 5g because we're the engineers who built the most reliable network in america. thousands of smarter towers, with the 5g coverage you need. broader spectrum for faster 5g speeds. next-generation servers with superior network reliability. because the more you do with 5g, the more your network matters. it's us...pushing us. it's verizon...vs verizon. and who wins? you. - [narrator] at southern new hampshire university, we're committed to making college more accessible

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investigating violence from the left. and the house committee chairman echoed the scope of the work. and kevin grassley said he doesn't believe the current agreement will get enough republican support to overcome a filibuster. >> i think they're going to have to broaden the inquiries that they're making in order to get 60 votes. >> would you support it right now or would you need to see it broadened? >> i think i prefer it broadened. there's more things wrong in this country than just what happened january 6th. >> not surprisingly, democrats are voicing frustration with their republican colleagues. my colleague garrett haake got house speaker nancy pelosi's reaction just a few hours ago. >> nancy, any reaction to kevin mccarthy saying he will not support the january 6th commission? >> i'm very pleased we had a bipartisan bill come to the floor and disappointing but not

surprising that the cowardice on the part of some on the republican side not to find the truth. >> indeed. we're going to talk to former impeachment manager congresswoman madeleine dean in a moment. but first msnbc's leigh ann caldwell is joining us. good to see you. kevin mccarthy tapped this bipartisan commission. there has since, of course, been a lot of questions about what mccarthy himself may know or be liable for, who he may implicate in his own testimony around this if he were subpoenaed. liz cheney mentioned this. really a remarkable statement to hear the top republican in the house come out and say nope, don't want to investigation in a bipartisan way the attack on this particular building, especially when he called the president, told him to call those people off. but i will stop there and let you give us our latest reporting

here. what's your take on this, and what actually happens moving forward? >> hey, kasie, so the question on the legislation creating the commission in the house is not necessarily in jeopardy, because, the majority of democrats in the house, so it is expected to pass when it's brought up on the house floor tomorrow and then it would head over into the senate. regarding leader mccarthy, as you mentioned, he put representative katko in charge of representing democrats when there was a stalemate among the four leaders. representative katko is sne who voted to impeach the former president on the second impeachment, but he's also not a back-bencher either. he's the top republican on the house homeland security committee. so when kevin mccarthy in his statement is saying the congress is doing enough investigation, the homeland security committee is one of those committees that

is investigating what happened january 6th, the top republican on that committee also thinks the january 6th commission is also necessary. so as for leader mccarthy, this has always been about the former president. it was how he booted liz cheney from her leadership position, and it's likely coming into play right now. this will draw attention to the former president until the commission gets up and running. mccarthy has often said the way republicans win is through a big tent. but by not backing a member of his congress that agrees with the democrats, he's further dividing the republican conference into those who are giving their utmost loyalty to the former president and those who aren't, kasie.

>> can we talk a little bit more about mitch mcconnell. we know he's not said a lot publicly and decided to step back on it for a few weeks. we saw how he interacted with liz cheney during the joint address to congress. you have a pretty good sense that he believed this was something that should not have happened and does deserve to be investigated. what's his move here as this goes forward? >> speaker o'connell has been silent. we have not heard from him yet. there is his weekly press conference in the next hour, where we expect him to be asked about it. my sources are telling me we should not expect him to say much yet. he will wait likely until the house passes their legislation. and once it comes over to the senate. and that is really what most of his senate colleagues are also doing, keeping their powder dry, very likely with the guidance from mcconnell saying don't step in front of this just yet.

with mcconnell, he has a lot of political calculations. he's made the calculation it's better to leave the former president in the dust but also not to dwell on it, to move forward. because he has members from conservative states who are running for re-election, who are worried about primary challenges. so the house is obviously different from the senate but there are political conversations mcconnell is definitely weighing, considering his number one priority is to win back the senate in 2022, kasie. >> as always, leigh ann caldwell, thank you very much for that report. we appreciate it. joining me now is democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania, madeleine dean. she was one of the nine managers appointed in the wake of the january 6th attack. congresswoman, thank you very much for being here. i want to start with the reaction here, john katko, republican negotiated this with

democrats, this agreement was announced with much fanfare. now we have the top republican who was involved on that day in conversations with the then-president of the united states saying that he doesn't support it. what's your reaction? >> i was listening to your last reporting and want to echo the sentiments of the gentleman you're interviewing, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and that goes for the january 6th event. i'm very puzzled by kevin mccarthy's reversal in opposition to the commission. not only does he undermine his own member, mr. katko, who negotiated a bipartisan equal, five and five members with equal subpoena power commission, and it would be independent, i wonder what mr. mccarthy is afraid of? is he afraid of subpoenas? is he afraid of the truth? his opposition is troubling evidence that he's putting his

self-interest, which is strangely tethered to trump's interest, above country, above duty, above the truth, above his own oath. >> what's your sense of how this happened? i realize you're on the democratic side but you had a negotiator in the room with congressman katko. you had to be operating under the assumption he would have had the blessing of his leaders to actually crack this deal here that was then, of course, announced. do you understand how this sequence of events came to unfold? >> no and, of course, i don't have the privilege of knowing that, except it's a repeated pattern with the republican conference. mccarthy had said one thing and then within a day or two he reverses himself. so this is leadership really struggling with itself to figure out who it is but very, very clearly, i think mr. mccarthy does not want to subject himself or his members to be subpoenaed. i was there on january 6th. i was in the chamber. i was escorted out with many other members and members of the

journalist community and staff in a gas mask. we were all dangerously close to destruction, to mayhem and to death. and again and again i will say thank you, capitol police, for saving so many lives. mr. mccarthy was there. he knows how dangerous january 6th was. he should welcome this commission. if it should find any facts or circumstances that lead down other paths, so be it. but i don't know what he's afraid of, the facts. after all, we have to know what happened here, you can't just brush this one under the rug. if we do that, we're dangerously close to suffering this again. >> i have covered politics for a long time. i understand why we have political motivations to do certain things.

i also covered the hill for a long time. the one thing that strikes me about this is congress has historically been protective of itself against presidents, sometimes even in fights with the courts. they protect their own prerogative at least historically. what does it say to you that the institution now can't even figure out to say a way to protect itself from the future, can't even find a way to hold accountable people who attacked your very offices, your very building, the politics has gotten to the point where congress can't even function in this most, most, basic of ways? >> i'm stunned by it. it's absolutely against why any one of us came to congress. we uphold our precious democracy. we're sworn to protect and to serve ton make sure we preserve democracy. it's utterly baffling to me, and it must be about power, an attempt to regain power or grab power in the future.

it is also a strange fieldty to a former president and failed policy. it's a cultish behavior that i think is in a downward spiral. i appreciate leaders on the republican side like liz cheney who has no fear about saying the truth. i don't know why mr. mccarthy is afraid to speak the truth, say the truth and why he would undermine his own member, more importantly, our own democracy by saying now he's opposed to the commission. remember, this was a joint session. it was a joint session with the republican vice president, with people chanting, hang mike pence. did leader mccarthy forget those words? the folks who came into the capitol that day would have killed any one of us. they would not have checked my registration. they would have killed any one of us. >> and to your point, i think it's important to understand here the former president, donald trump, is now attacking

in statements vice president mike pennsylvania, when he was in office, wrote that letter ahead of the joint session and said straightforward, my duty is to certify this election. congresswoman, if this bipartisan plan falls apart, if it becomes clear it's never going to become law, are there any alternatives for democrats to move forward with or ideally democrats and perhaps the few republicans that said this was necessary, liz cheney and john katko among them? what other alternatives are there to a special commission that could still be possible? >> i don't know. again, i guess i go with the idea of sunlight. if for some reason this legislation does not move forward, i hope leadership on both our side of the aisle and republican side of the aisle -- not mr. mccarthy, obviously, who

is failing to lead, will demand we have a commission and make sure we know what happened here. >> congresswoman madeleine dean -- i think we just lost her at the very end of the interview there. but we appreciate her time. we're now going to bring in mike memoli, white house correspondent here at nbc news. because we are waiting for president biden, who is set to make remarks in michigan, as he's out on the road trying to sell his american jobs plan, talking it seems about electric vehicles today. mike, what can you tell us about what we're about to hear from the president? >> kasie, first, i don't get to say this very often so i'm going to. the president is actually running a little early. he was expected to speak a little later this hour but he is here in dearborn. >> amazing! >> home to ford's rogue electric car here. and he's here with the core

promise he made throughout his campaign, 500,000 electric charging vehicle stations across the country and incentive to encourage more automakers to produce the kind of pickup trucks, in fact, the president got a sneak preview of, debuting an f-150, they call it lightning pickup. these mid--to-heavy duty electric vehicles are key to what the united states said should make a priority, trying to own the electric vehicle market. we know, of course, there's a big foreign policy story dominating things at the white house these days, of course, with the situation in the middle east. but the president is also going to be making an argument about china as well as for his stimulus plan here because, as he said, china has increasingly taken up a significant amount of supply that's necessary to invest in these battery technologies and also cornering that market. for instance, the chinese manufactured -- just check my math here, 800,000 charging stations. they have those in the country, compared to 100,000 in the u.s.

there's what's happening in michigan here today as the president is making his public sales pitch. but more importantly for his jobs plan, what happens in washington today as we expected, administration officials are meeting with shelley moore capito, republican from west virginia who's leading the bipartisan efforts here to find a path forward. and you also have, of course, what's happening in the senate, a rare bipartisan measure that the senate moved to begin debate on, which involves manufacturing, which involves supply chain issues as well. the issue here, messaging around china as well, meant to coincide with that push. kasie, also have to mention what i mentioned with israel, what dearborn represents as well, a city with one of the largest arab-americans in the country. we met with community leaders who were trying to get the message to the white house that they want to see the president take a much longer line with israel to do everything he can

to try to get the violence to de-escalate in the region. as one person put it, there's nothing that being pro-palestinian makes you anti-anything. so that is the message we hoped for from the president, and expected to see a number of demonstrations here in the city throughout the day. but they asked for time, and the president were told by the white house they would not necessarily have that opportunity as the president here makes a quick trip. interestingly to note as well, congresswoman rashid tlaib, who is vocal among many democrats in congress calling for the administration to take a stronger line, she greeted the president on the tarmac when he landed in detroit earlier today. we have not gotten a readout on that conversation. certainly the pressure as the president tries to navigate the domestic politics here, filling his agenda and also the dynamics from his party calling him to take a stronger line. press secretary jen psaki, who was speaking with reporters on air force one on the way here,

really tried to put a lid on the conversation saying that a lot of the efforts that this administration is making diplomatically need to remain private in order for them to be effective, kasie. >> mike, i'm glad you brought up the middle east. the man you cover is, in fact, as usual late. so we're going to turn to the latest developments -- >> i jinxed it! >> you did. we will turn back as we await for him to focus on electric vehicles. but as mike was just discussing, the conflict in israel with the palestinians, a huge focus because overnight israeli jets launched more than 100 missiles into the gaza strip, according to their military, targeting tunnels used by hamas as the conflict shows no sign of easing. and here in washington, the biden administration is finding itself navigating extremely tense political territory and it's dividing the democratic party in many ways. the white house says that president biden told israeli prime minister benjamin

netanyahu in a call yesterday that he was supportive of a cease-fire. that language from the white house seems to have been very carefully phrased, suggesting the president is not in total agreement with a growing contingency of democrats who have taken a critical view of netanyahu's approach and demanding a cease-fire immediately. moments ago house speaker nancy pelosi became the latest to call for a cease-fire. joining me now is nbc news chief white house correspondent kristen welker and also on the ground nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. good to see you both. kristen, let me start with you because the language around the cease-fire has been such an intense focus here. there's pressure mounting from democrats on the president to go further than he has. why have they essentially stopped short of making this demand that we are seeing many other democrats make? >> white house press secretary jen psaki was on defense for that very reason, kasie, when she spoke with reporters on

their way to michigan, she got pressed on that very point, why not make this call publicly for a cease-fire? the white house's argument is look, the negotiations, the diplomacy that goes on behind the scenes is far more important, that's where the real work happens. psaki noted there have been more than 60 phone calls with officials in the region and the white house in recent days, including, of course, between president biden and prime minister netanyahu when he did convey on monday that he supported a cease-fire. but he stopped short of directly calling on israel to step down from its position and its defensive mode right now. so that is the political calculation behind this. when you speak to officials here, they say look, this is an issue that president biden has been working on for decades. but the question, kasie, is does that old playbook work? does it hold right now? does there need to be a new strategy? as you point out, the latest flare-up and crisis in the

middle east is exposing new riffs in the democratic party with a number of democrats urging the president to get tougher, to get tougher in his public language, and frankly, get tougher privately with israel as well. so that is what we are watching as we await president biden's remarks in michigan. this is a crisis that is increasingly embroiling the administration and raising questions about why the president hasn't yet appointed an ambassador to israel. kasie? >> richard engel, let me go to you on that, what kristen just laid out, all of the cross currents putting political pressure on the biden administration here. how is that affecting what's happening on the ground where you are? >> so when you talk about a cease-fire, it sounds like it's a very easy word. it sounds like what everyone would want and when people are dyeing, we want a cease-fire and everyone stops dyeing. but it's actually far more complicated than that. and, of course, the people under fire don't want to be under fire

anymore. when i speak to palestinians, when i speak to israelis, they want something more than that. they want things to change fundamentally. when the palestinians talk about a cease-fire, they say they want, of course, for the boss to stop calling but they want an end to what they describe as the apartheid system they're living under. gazas are sealed off. they can't come, they can't go. it's difficult for them to trade or export almost anything. it's often been called the world's largest prison. in the west bank, there's a little bit more movement but people there are also sealed off behind fences and walls. in jerusalem, palestinians say they face constant harassment and threats to be evicted from their homes by jewish settlers. they say they want this to change with a cease-fire and they want that to be included in a cease-fire, not just for the israeli bombs to stop falling on

gaza. for the israelis that i have spoken to, is much more straightforward. they say it's hamas, stop firing rockets. we will stop bombing gaza. the israelis have already destroyed a lot of hamas' military infrastructure. they want to destroy more, according to prime minister netanyahu. israel has set back hamas' military wing years in its latest offensive and they want to buy calm. the palestinians want change. >> richard, before this all started, there was actually some hope that there would be for the first time in israel a government that included israeli arabs as part of the governing majority. but, of course, that has all fallen apart as this has unfolded. what's your sense of the role that played here? in some ways it looked like we went from having more hope there could be a future of reconciliation to having less.

>> i don't think there was any real hope for reconciliation. things have been getting worse over the last several years. the last big flare-up of violence we saw was in 2014 when there was another campaign similar to this but on a bigger scale because the israeli army went into gaza, stayed there for seven weeks. 2,000 palestinians were killed. what happened after that was there was a period of relative calm for israel, and the situation in gaza got worse and worse and got much worse under president trump because president trump gave israel a lot of its requests about the embassy moving to jerusalem and golan heights. it never felt like we were on a path towards reconciliation. it looked like things were getting more entrenched. when things get entrenched and there is no hope and in gaza there is no hope, parts of the west bank where i was today, there is no hope. they think they need to fight in order to change the status quo, that they say is stacked against

them. we'll see if it works. but the israelis don't want that. i have spoke to an israeli senior diplomat who is directly involved in the process and they do not want to give concessions, specifically to hamas, because hamas has been firing rockets. they want to end this on their terms and not say, okay, hamas fired rockets, therefore, we're going to give palestinians more of their demands. >> yeah, i was referring more to the fact netanyahu seemed to be somewhat on the outs as somebody who had really activated especially the right wing inside israel -- >> it is constantly changing. >> the political system here is always in flux. there's an internal dynamic between hamas and the west bank. there's a dynamic between netanyahu and his political allies. sometimes the conflict favored

netanyahu, and many will say this conflict made his coalition stronger but if this continues on or if there's a higher israeli death toll that, could change. those calculations, especially with a parliament like israel's, are always up and down. >> kristen, can you talk about the pressure the biden administration is under because of the differences in how former president trump handled policy towards israel? as richard pointed out, they gave many concessions previously that could have been possible bargaining chips, they just went ahead and moved the embassy, for example, at least in name. how does that and the relationship between former president trump and netanyahu and how it's different from netanyahu's with president biden affects the decision making? >> you're right, i think former

president trump and prime minister netanyahu were about as closely aligned as any american president and israeli leader. in fact, that is something that prime minister netanyahu has said and so there was a sense that they were walking in lockstep with each other and you saw that strongly worded op-ed from mike pence that blamed president biden for the latest flare-up in violence. president biden made it clear he's not giving israel or prime minister netanyahu carte blanche, and yes, he does hold them and sees israel as being one of america's most important allies. and yet he's said that there needs to be changes in the reason. he's pushed for a two-state solution. so i think the subtle difference, kasie, opened up this administration to more pressure. again, i go back to this idea, you have former president trump, who appointed an ambassador on day one, president biden has yet

to do so. i'm told he will soon. and the white house said, look, there's an envoy in the region so they feel as though their strategy is the right one at this point, kasie. >> kristen welker and richard engel, thank you both very much as always for your great reporting. really appreciate it. and that program in michigan where president biden's going to be speaking as begun but we're still waiting for the president to step to the microphones and we will bring that to you as soon as it happens. coming up -- arizona state officials are calling the state's bizarre gop election audit a sham and a con, and they're demanding republicans put an end to it. that's next. ans put an end to it that's next. introducing nervive nerve relief from the world's number 1 selling nerve care company. as we age, natural changes to our nerves occur which can lead to occasional discomfort. nervive contains b complex vitamins that nourish nerves, build nerve insulation and enhance nerve communication.

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welcome back. more than six months after the election, donald trump's lies about the results are still very much in the news in arizona, where a so-called audit of ballots in maricopa county, the largest in the state, is continuing.

the republican-controlled state senate ordered the audit and it's being conducted by a florida-based company called cyber ninjas, who chief executive also claimed the 2020 results were tinted. now the board of supervisor is speaking out about it. in a letter last night to senate president fann, it reads, your, quote, audit has become a spectacle. our state has become a laughing stock. worse, it's allowing audiences to distrust elections, which weakens the democratic republic. i'm joined by dan, who covers kphx in phoenix. thank you very much for being here and i hope you forgive me if i cut you off, because we have to go to the president's remarks in michigan. but bring us up to speed. we have republicans statewide saying we want to count these ballots and republicans in charge saying this has gotten

out of hand. >> the thing is in about 2 1/2 hours we will hear from karen fann, who is the president of the senate as well as the cyber ninja ceo doug responding to th scathing 13-page letter the county board which supervises elections issued yesterday. we're waiting for that response. i can tell you quickly the fallout from the letter yesterday really is that this audit, you know, audit quotation marks will continue, and there's a action plan by the county board and it's unclear whether the senate plans a court action, and lawyers told me the avenue going down that road is exhausted and nothing can be done right now. >> you covered arizona politics for quite sometime and you live in the communities, and what is your sense of how the messaging

from the former president is impacting people day-to-day? i think some of the republicans in washington expressed concern of what the former president is doing is undermining confidence not just in 2020 but 2022 and 2024. >> that's the big picture here, and supervisor bill gates brought this up yesterday, really for the first time, and he said if we allow this to continue what will happen in 2022, and even 2024. right now we are learning about a law that most of us didn't even know existed, and that is the senate could run its own audit, and one committee chairman could subpoena all of the election materials from any of the 15 counties in the state. i asked former governor, janet napolitano last week, three times elected statewide, did she know they could do this? and the answer was no. this is a new law happening in

real time, and it could come back in 2022, and you could imagine a scenario -- >> i am so sorry, i have to interrupt you because we have joe biden at the podium in dearborn. i want to say something up front, i'm standing here because about 180 years ago when i first got elected to the senate, the uaw elected me. [ applause ] >> we used to have the highest percentage of auto workers in any state in the nation, because we had a small workforce and two joint plants and a few other things going on, and so i want to thank you, and i want to thank a good friend of mine,

michigan governor, gretchen whitmer. as my mother was saying, gretchen -- god love you, dear. you have got a backbone like a ram rod. you have a brain as big as anybody in the business and you are so honorable. it's a delight to know you and anything that i can do, as i said to you before, i will come and campaign for you or against you, whichever will help the most. i want to thank angela. we were talking backstage -- backstage, yeah, on the other side of the truck, and i want to thank her very much for being so gracious. rory, i know you are new to the labor movement but you are doing a pretty good job. where is rory? rory, thank you, pal. thank you, thank you, thank you. and everyone at uaw for being the best auto workers in the world. and i want to thank bill ford and jim farley for investing us

for investing in our workers and country, and we're at a great point in american history, how we handle the next four to ten years is going to determine where we are going to be 30, 40, 50 years from now, and it's one of those moments in american history. this is an incredible facility. and john is looking down, debby dingell, another good friend, and by the way, be careful what you say to representative slotkin, she knows more than you and may be watching you. where are you? i tease her all the time. she's a great, great, great addition to the congress. where is -- i admire your

intellect and passion and concern for so many other people, and it's from my heart that i pray your grandma and family are well. i promise i will do everything to see they are on the west bank, and you are a fighter and god thank you for being a fighter. and haley stevens, i thank you as well. i also want to thank the mayor for a passport into the city, and thank you, mr. mayor. and my buddy, mike duggin, and i was sitting in the oval office with obama when i was vice president, and he said, by the way, i want you to go and fix detroit. i said, say that again? what am i going to do? he said you can get anybody in the government to go and do it,

just go do it. first call i made was this guy. you are a great mayor and friend and you have a lot of courage, mr. mayor. thank you. and two great friends, debby and peter, they could not be here today because they are back fighting like hell for the industry of the state, and local leaders, altogether, that's america at its best and that's what i so admire about what bill ford is doing here. so everything that these workers, and the historic complex in the state here represents, it's something that i hope gets modeled around the country, and it's about respect and the dignity of work. my dad used to say, joey -- i swear to god when he left scranton, my dad was a sales person, not a coal miner, my great grand pop was, but he used

to say when he moved to delaware he had a lead and there were no jobs and he left us with my grand pop for a little over a year and he commuted over the weekends, and he used to say to all of us, and i guess i was go into the third grade, and he would say, joe, remember, i mean this sincerely, a job is about a lot more than a paycheck, it's about your dignity, it's about your respect and your place in the community. i really mean this. i remember him looking a kid in the eye and saying, it's going to be okay. it's going to be okay. it's not labor, it's union. because what you allow people to do is hold their heads up and make a decent living and have pride in what they do, and pride in what you build and pride in what you give this nation. i wanted to be here today, the day before you unveil the next

generation of america's best-selling vehicle to the entire world to thank you, thank you for showing how we win the competition in the 21st century. you know, how the future is going to be made, it's going to be made here in america. made in america. i have to say this brings me home. for more than 30 years my dad moved to delaware and man automobile dealerships in delaware, and man, did i like that '57 ford. oh, boy, ain't got nothing on an f-150, but all kidding aside, that's what got me through school. you know, i doubt i would be -- i doubted that it would ever contribute $50 billion -- $50

billion supported 1 million jobs, and it's like the 150 series. i just got a tour of the groundbreaking electric vehicle center here along with uaw workers, and they showed me the technology they are using to build their first ever fully electric f-150. i was able to sit in it, and quite frankly, they let me see it and i apologize you won't be able to see it until tomorrow, and let me assure you you will like it, and i would sure like to drive it and i wonder whether or not i would be able to lose the secret service and go out to the track, and you all think i'm kidding, don't you? the press knows i'm not. the future of the auto industry is electric, and there's no turning back and the american

auto industry is at a crossroads. the real question is whether we will lead or fall behind in that race in the future, and or the jobs to build these vehicles and batteries are good-paying union jobs with benefits, and jobs that will sustain and grow the middle class. right now china is leading in this race. make no bones about it. it's a fact. you know, we used to invest more research and development than any country in the world, and china was number eight. excuse me, number nine. we now are number eight, and china is number one. can't let that be sustained. the future is going to be determined by the best minds in the world,