think of what peanuts have given humanity! fuel for vast migrations! sustenance for mountaineering expeditions and long journeys across the world! but most importantly? they give us something to eat when we drink beer. planters. a nut above. hi, everyone. it is 4:00 in the east. donald trump under control investigation by two prosecutors. james making the announcement last night what started as a civil probe into the trump organization is now a criminal one. along with the criminal investigation led by manhattan district attorney vance. the bombshell announcement doe scribed by "the washington post" like this. quote, the attorney general's decision appears to have increased the legal risk that former president donald trump faces in new york where the parallel investigations run by james and vance had already delved more deeply into the

finances than any law enforcement authorities ever had. previously, the danger posed by james's investigation seemed to be merely financial, the kind of lawsuit trump faced from new york attorneys general before over the trump university and the charity costing him money but didn't threaten liberty. now however james could also seek criminal penalties and she appears to be cooperating with vance's office, a move that could allow the two wide ranging investigations to share data and the trove of data in the hands the supreme court cleared for the tax records to be turned over and the probes benefited from michael cohen and the knowledge of where the bodies are buried his decade with the trump organization. >> it was my experience that mr. trump inflated his total assets

when it served his purposes such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in force and deflatded his assets to reduce the real estate taxes. >> and that trove of evidence now wrapped up in two criminal probes may explain why trump responded to today's breaking news in such an unhinged, nearly 1,000-word statement that reads more like the copy from a maga rally. he calls the probe an investigation in desperate search of a crime and quote a continuation of the greatest political witch hunt in the history of the united states. trump jr. calls the investigation a quote flagrant witch hunt that started before new york's attorney general took office and before she'd seen any evidence. but new york's a.g. scarcely all

the former guy has to worry about today. now facing criminal exposure and another jurisdiction outside new york. the d.a. in georgia is probing trump's efforts to reverse the outcome of the contest there. a federal prosecutor says trump could be ensnared in the federal probes into january 6. and as trump's legal jeopardy continues the mount coverage has already turned to the intricacies of extradition policy. plit toe reporting last week that law enforcement officials in florida have actively prepared that trump could be indicted in the manhattan probe while at mar-a-lago. the growing legal peril for trump is where we start today. kneel kotiel is here. national security analyst frank

fagluzi whose new podcast launches next tuesday and bloomberg opinion senior columnist tim o'brian is here. you have been covering trump i think longer than all of us? tell us what this means to trump. >> longer than i care to remember. trump is up to this kind of behavior for decades. anybody in any journalist covers him knows that he inflated the value of what he had. you can get away with that behavior around journalists because they're not law enforcement and banks and the issue is whether or not he lied to bankers about the value of what he had to get loans and then said what he had is less to get more generous tax benefits from the properties. that's pretty straightforward problem that i think at the core of what is looked at now.

in addition to that, when i lit gaited with him my lawyers had evidence in florida that he had put in insurance claims for hurricane damage at mar-a-lago and that was dropped but i'm sure those issues are getting looked at very closely. the possibility of money laundering over the business dealings for quite a long time. the difference in all of this now is he face ran for office and the law enforcement took a greater interest in him but thes or is used to getting away with this kind of behavior. one point i was interviewing alan weisselberg in trump tower and supposed to tell me the

assets. his own math only added up to $5 million and he said i'll find that other billion. and then he never came back. you can get away with that with a journalist but law enforcement and bankers take a different vie of that behavior. >> let's turn to weisselberg and cohen with you, neil. i want to read this from nbc news's reporting. the trump organization investigations stems from allegations of the former attorney cohen alleged testifying to congress that trump provided incorrect valuations of assets and official documents. nbc news previously reported. so i remember that day when michael cohen testified. trump on an overseas trip and blew up the whole day because he was so upset by the cohen

testimony and then i remember the months long effort to discredit cohen but he served the time and nothing to gain giving investigators anything other than the truth and i guess he knows about alan weisselberg, too. talk about cohen as a witness and the time to cob rate the things from that testimony. >> just before getting to michael cohen i want to widen the lens a bit and explain why this is so significant because the letter from the attorney general of new york is not like an impeachment document or a political document from congress like the way trump claims why it is not a civil case or a fine or something or a loss of a supreme court case. this is saying to the trump organization, your folks are going to jail potentially. like it is as i advise clients the thing you dread the most and what the trump organization got last night. with respect to michael cohen, i

think that only makes things worse. we know that michael cohen's been in i think nine times to talk to the new york investigators. we know he knows a lot and law enforcement investigations are built on this whole idea of you take this middle fish, you say if you don't do something, give us all the information you have we'll throw the book at you. it's flipping. they build the case from there and not just michael cohen's testimony they have and not just the tax returns which is the supreme court gave to the new york prosecutors unanimously as trump lost but trying to flip weisselberg's family himself and all three different pressure points and makes it very difficult for donald trump to say, oh, this is something political. or something like that. if this were really a political investigation designed to

destroy donald trump's future i don't think the prosecutors accusing him of tax fraud because half the base wouldn't care and the other half calling trump how he did it and asking for tips. >> neil, why do you think donald trump didn't pardon alan weise sellberg and michael cohen to avoid them? is it because they're state investigations? because donald trump statements after the loss in november suggest that he knew exactly what his criminal exposure could become. >> right. so we know for michael cohen, donald trump used the pardon power like king george iii did to attack the enemies and reward the friends. cohen wasn't getting it. weisselberg is a different story. here's the genius of the nourk state prosecutors and the district attorney is all along.

they have known that the pardon power under the constitution doesn't extend to state and local crimes and the investigation is significant because the new york attorney general has the power to enforce the martin act which is pretty much the most strong criminal law against fraud and corporate fraud in any state in the country. and so i suspect what's going on here is a marriage of the existing tax investigation coupled with the new martin act investigation. >> frank, just listening to neil on the pardons, he also used the pardons to buy people's complicity in thwarting investigations why there's reporting that john dowd dangled pardons in front of manafort in front of the probe. i wonder if you can sort of pick

up this thread of all this exposure trump has, the public statements that suggest he knew about it. the statements they putt out today are just remashes of -- let me play this. this is trump sort of moaning in december about the investigations into him. let's listen. >> mueller looking at your finances, family's finances unrelated to russia, is that a red line? >> is a breach? >> i would say yes. >> if he was outside that lane, wow that mean he'd have to go? >> this is about russia. >> what would you do? >> i can't answer that question because i don't think it's going to happen. >> frank, that was the wrong sound and let's ask you about this first. we thought robert mueller might get donald trump for some ties to russia if he looked at the

businesses. we now know that thanks -- he never looked at the connections. that's the front end of the outside. trump saying that he would view it as a red line if anyone looked into his business conduct or his businesses saying this is about russia. my businesses are over here. along the lines of his almost an ally calls it reptilian instincts for prez ration. he knows it is not pretty under the hood. frank? >> yeah. look. i think trump has misjudged his expose your hire. there's hue brings and bad

gambling luck. with folks he believed that he -- he could control them. that they were loyal enough to him -- excuse me, disloyal enough and didn't trust them and needed the pardons. i think he misjudged weisselberg and others. i think he thought he was teflon. emboldened by mueller not going after finances and i think police played this. there's two takeaways from the very brief announcement from the new york state attorney general yesterday. number one, what does it mean when a civil case at the a.g. level in the state turned criminal? when you're talking about the former president of the united states it means something more than the bare minimum threshold of reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred. i don't think she would make this announcement lightly or

merely reasonable suspicion. i think she has strong evidence, specific facts that she is very confident in. number two, the other part of that brief announcement is this coordination effort with the manhattan district attorney why what does that mean strategically? when you're investigating the same people and criminally exposed and same other people are informants you have to come together and not speak at opposite ends. you have to offer the same deal. you need to coordinate the intelligence and if the same people are exposed you have to figure out who's going after trump personally? who's going after the organization? make no mistake. because it's an organizational prosecution doesn't mean human beings in that organization can't go to prison as part of that case. in fact, as part of most white collar crime cases against

corporations there's heated discussion about whether or not someone deserved to go to prison and what do they look at for that? are there things in place to have prevented this? is this a one off? is there more systemic fraud? is there evidence to intent? my message to the trump family who are officers if you don't have separate lawyers representing you on the organization case do not trust that one organization attorney who represents the organization's interests to represent your interest. it is time to separately lawyer up and you may have different interests than brother, sister or father. >> is the enron prosecution is example of a corporation prosecuted but individuals went to jail? is that the kind of investigation they could be imagining? >> yeah.

absolutely. the majority of big corporate white collar cases there's a fine levied. they try to get it right. slipped up. you don't see ceos and officers go to prison. if they can show systemic fraud, knowledge, intent, no mechanic isms in place, if the intent goes to the top you will see people go to prison. >> frank, wasn't that part of donald trump's campaign message? he kind of ran as a guy to figure out how to cheat on the taxes, as a guy proud of all of the ways he found to screw the government and the reason to be president. does an investigation, can they sort of reexamine that in light of evidence they gather? i want to play the sound i talked about before. this is him talking in december and seems to be weighing heavily on him.

>> now i hear that the same people that failed to get me in washington have sent every piece of information to new york so that they can try to get me there. they want to take not me but us down. and we can never let them do that. >> there's not -- own allies will tell us that there are not a lot of people at the trump organization. tim, isn't that the case? it is not about getting others. this was a very small office mostly run by trumps, right? >> right. we compare to enron or arthur anderson, those are big corporations. not the mom and pop shop above a grocery store and loyalty in that organization goes one way. donald trump is notoriously disloyal to anyone who presents a threat to him or complicates

his life and throws them under did bus at the drop of a hat. weisselberg is loyal to him because they're bound by money, not emotion. now that tish james extended the investigation into a criminal probe it changes the outcome here. a civol case is a financial case. a criminal case can land you in prison and everyone inside that organization now is weighing how well -- how much it is in their own self interest to protect trump whether the money doesn't equate with the own personal freedom. that's why it's so significant that weise sellberg is squeezed by the investigators because it opens the doors to decades of financial shenanigans and possibly criminal behavior that trump has been proximate to and

then they'll have to show he had knowledge of it. a hurdle but as i think frank and neil both said, i don't think james would have gone down this road if she didn't believe she had strong evidence within hand that they had knowledge of a crime and leverage that to move up the food chain. >> neil, just opens a million questions about what happens next. would you predict that behind the scenes there's a lawyer for donald trump trying to work out what would happen if he's indicted and charged? what do you think is happening that we can't see? >> hard to imagine donald trump as a lawyer because every lawyer he has quits on him. maybe he found someone. anyone worth their salt absolutely would be asking exactly that question. i suppose donald trump is taking comfort in the fact that most

corporate cases don't result in jail time but i think tim's point is an important one. in the dna of publicly traded big companies his compliance with the law and the trump organization i think their compliance department is a giant sharpie pen of the presidential seal. they don't have the checks in there so you can't rely on that past track record for publicly traded corporations when it gets to something like the trump organization. i suspect that donald trump jr., eric, ivanka, they all are lawyering up. as i said, trump is a greatest challenge program for lawyers imaginable. they're all sitting there asking those questions and perhaps some saying should i make a deal? should i take a flip? obviously incredibly difficult to do against your familiar

members. donald trump doesn't have that level of loyalty. >> we watched donald trump for five years. this is a serious question. if he is charged, does desantis have to turn him over? what do you think would happen? serious question. >> desantis has floated around the idea or the folks that he can like protect donald trump from an extradition request from new york and trump for his part is like saying, yeah, desantis, maybe make you my vice presidential candidate in 2024 and bizarre to me. i can't imagine anyone wanting to be trump's vice presidential candidate in 2024. but the serious answer is that governor desantis can't do that.

the constitution in its text our founders dealt with this saying that if you commit a crime in one state and someone goes to another sit that other state is obligated to turn you over and congress in 1793 is passed the extradition act that and no exceptions. not like with a foreign government and something has to be a crime both in the foreign government and the united states. that's often by treaty. no exceptions in this. they can try it. it won't work. they isle lose in the supreme court every day of the week. >> neil with the not so subtle point that being trump's vp is not the job it once was. thank you for that. thank you all for starting us off. thank you so much.

michael cohen will be joy reid's guest at 7:00 p.m. whether we come back, the loyalty test to trump sets to take place today. more republicans coming out opposing the legislation to form a commission to investigate the attack on the capitol. how many in the gop will stand with those looking for the truth? mostly democrats at this point. how many will bend to the will of the ex-president? we'll follow it all. an unanswered question, did any of the trump loyal lawmakers play any part in aiding the rioters? we'll talk with a congresswoman who says they may have. we'll show you that defiance spilled into the halls of congress today. all that and more of a quick break. break. ♪ na na na na... ♪ hey hey hey. ♪ goodbye.

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what the republicans are doing, the house republicans, is beyond crazy. to be so far under the thumb of donald j. trump. letting the most dishonest president in american history dictate the prerogatives of the republican party will be its demise. mark my words. >> senate majority leader schumer slamming house republicans for once again choosing to cover up instead of seeking the truth with gop leader mccarthy urging the nobodies to vote against an independent commission to investigate the january 6 attack on thome. debate on the bill right now and

the vote set to take place today. senator schumer's comments before mcconnell announced that he is against a commission. the decision to help trump comes after the former trump asking them to do what they did. mcconnell's remarks mark a full reverse alg from when he was clear about what the on january 6 and the former president's role in sparking the insurrection. >> january 6 was a disgrace. american citizens attacked their own government. they useded terrorism to try to stop us, specific piece of domestic business they did not like. former president trump's actions proceeded the riot for a disgraceful, disgraceful

dereliction of duty. president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. >> but that was then. joining us now is eugene daniels of "the washington post" and ab stoddard is here. eugene, i want to put up your reporting of republicans saying yes. is that your sensz? >> i think in the house this is almost a sure thing and ufr the republicans that you look at on screen that are very likely to do so. kinzinger, meyer there who also

voted in impeachment. you have liz cheney and i think the thing where it's really dicey is in the senate. right? that's where it doesn't look like they have much of the republicans to join to do this. it's -- we are expecting mccarthy to say what he said. right? none of that was a surprise and expected exactly how some of those republicans following him the last few months all over the place and doing whatever they think president trump, former president trump wants and now you have mcconnell saying the same thing. he is still to the last reporting not said whether or not they whip votes against it but with him saying not voting for it people have cover to say they won't do it. >> i was in the white house when

a 9/11 commission was formed and it packed such a punch. it had such impact and an important thing for the country. and i'm done asking why. you know? donald trump sent out a statement and was likely in contact working the phones yesterday and they're compliant and answered yes but do you think that the e haven'ts of the last weeks, liz cheney putting herself out there and describing it as donald trump's crusade against democracy, does that give anyone pause? we should make clear, this is -- each party to appoint the members to the commission. supposed to be nonelected experts. nothing offensive in the deal that was reached. what do you think it says about

within of the two party's unwillingness to invest a crime against them and the capitol? >> what's amazing about this is that kevin mccarthy bungled this so badly he ended up with a fair deal. they share subpoena power. it is equally -- has equal representation like the 9/11 commission did. and for a while nancy pelosi the speaker was not agreeing to but stacking a commission and so would have been easy for republicans to say, see? it is partisan affair. we can't have anything to do it. it is not credible. mccarthy could have sent someone uls r else in to negotiate and not get a deal and continue to pretend tmps partisan. john katko in the problem solver's caucus who voted to

impeach the president goes in and mccarthy's direction to negotiate, get it is terms and then hinge out to dry. i did speak with members last night and frustrated there's no leadership and someone like john katko a member they want to keep and mccarthy was asking former president trump not to primary against they know that if a maga bot is chosen by trump to run he will not win the seat and there's frustration. it will be a bir partisan vote. the minority leader can do the best to kill it off but this is a real problem going forward for mccarthy. the path to the speakership and this is an indefensible vote for a lot of members.

registered members, they think it was a church picnic and the pay tri -- patriots but they'll here about it if they vote against the commission. you will see a healthy number of defections. >> the only reason people think the insurrection, the deadly insurrection in which law enforcement officials were mutilated with flag poles by tourists at the capitol because they've been told so. lies and disbleach didn't just wake up thinking the wrong thing about an attack on the country but been lied to. one of mcconnell's alleged reasons is the white house investigation. the white house reads the attack

on the capitol was an unprecedented assault on democracy and an effort to undo the will of the american people and threaten the peaceful transfer of power. the administration supports the proposed bipart san, independent national commission to study and investigate the facts and circumstances surrounding the january 6 attack on the capitol. the nation deserves such a full and fair accounting. what is mcconnell talking about? >> it is unclear. this should have and could have been approached from all sides. you have a commission investigation happening within the congress. you have the justice department doing their own thing. people prosecuted and looked at and chased under the country. that's probably how when you talk to law enforcement officials and experts that's how

it should have been handled because again if we go -- it is a few months but if you go back to that day when western all either watching it or experiencing it in real life at the capitol that was -- it was insanity. right? terrifying. i think the thing that wech watched is republicans try to whitewash this and it is not just about them but the staff, the stach at the capitol, reporters, some families there that night that deserve a real investigation into what happened and to make sure it couldn't happen again. >> unbelievable state of affairs. when we come back, this afternoon the fbi is out with two new videos showing officers brutally under attack. republican leaders have zero interest, none, in wanting to get to the bottom of what happened to them.

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week. the videos put out by the fbi is a call to identify spoekts show attackers assaulting police officers. as the manhunt for the inrecollectionists continue with six suspects arrested today, there are still many unanswered questions. our next guest made the stunning claim saying that some of the republican colleagues gave tours of the capitol just a day before the attack. join us is congresswoman cheryl of new jersey. eugene and ab are still with us. i wonder if your charge or claim wasn't true why wouldn't they be the most aggressive advocates for an independent commission to

prove their innocence, to prove that wasn't the case? >> as you said this is an independent, bipartisan commission to get to the bottom of the events leading up to january 6 and what happened that day and making the democracy stronger and heal the nation. why would anyone be against that? it is hard for me to understand. and i tell people often. i'm a former navy helicopter pilot, a former federal prosecutor and taken numerous oaths to the constitution of the united states but every single member of congress has taken that oath. to our democracy. to our constitution. and this is the way we uphold that oath. >> has anyone followed up on the question of whether or not republican members of congress were aiding or prevying the capitol for the

insurrectionists? >> i know there's an ongoing federal investigation so woe haven't seen the results of that yet. >> i want to ask you about the law enforcement community in and around the capitol. the family of an officer that took his own life is out with a statement about the creation of an independent commission. this is from the family of police officer liebengood saying we believe a nonpartisan investigation into the root causes and the response to the january 6 riot is essential. howie's death was an immediate outgrowth of those event just every officer and families should have a better understanding of what happened. it may lessen the bitterness that divided the country. we implore congress to work as one and establish the proposed

commission. what is it like to have a leader like mccarthy to disregard the wishes of a family who lost their loved one by suicide? what do they have to say for thoems when the cameras aren't rolling? >> it is so difficult because you mentioned the 9/11 commission and i'm from nort jersey and had many people killed in 9/11 and that commission healed the people, the nation and helped the nation move forward and better frame what happened and so here we have an event, the worst attack on the capitol, the president of the united states attacking congress as we were doing our constitutional duty. this nation has to investigate that. to have this bipartisan, independent commission do it to help make sure everyone knows the truth of what happened i remain unable to fathom why

members of congress try to whitewash that day. we heard a member say it was a normal tourist event. several people committed suicide after that event. we had police officers that lost his eye, a tip of the finger. someone tased so many times that they had a heart attack. this was in no way a normal tourist event. >> congresswoman, what do you understand that we may be missing? reaching terms that republicans said they wanted, equal power, the democrats didn't have an opportunity to make more appointments to an inspected commission than republicans, it is even, both partys have to sign off on the subpoenas, are the republicans shutting it down to shut it down or an idea of what they wanted that wasn't achieved? >> i have this sense that republicans are playing such a

political game with this that they totally misread the democratic caucus and truly wanting to get an independent, bipartisan investigation into what happened. the clear and deep sense that we have that we have to understand this better so we can heal the nation, that we have to ensure this never happens again, i think that was missed on kevin mccarthy who seems to have a agenda of promoting loyalty to donald trump and whitewashing a narrative that is not true and misread the fact that democrats would be very willing to negotiate, to get to a place where everyone could feel that this was a commission that was going to find the truth and that all americans could have faitd in. >> it is just amazing. they keep moving the goal post

and not reaching their own post. thank you. eugene and ab are still to with us. this is a remarkable sort of revolutions in the earliest days after the insurrection. all of the republican conduct since then seems to suggest that it is quite possibly a realistic scenario calling it a normal tourist day. ron johnson's comments he wunts afraid because they were pay tri nottic americans. what is undergirding the cheering? you mentioned marjorie toirl greene and said they're abused. what undergirds that? they want the votes? >> i think they're playing to the base and might be lied to by the members like congressman clyde but they also just believe that it had to be antifa and not

a pro trump mob because, you know, everyone backs the blue and wouldn't stage a coup. so congresswoman cheryl's statements on this have been hauntding me and republicans don't want to talk about january 6 and didn't think they could have the terms and wanted this to shut down not only because mccarthy is a fact witness and wants to protect donald trump from the conversation they had during the siege which is reported because he told too many members about it and would be forced to testify about it but i think there's complicity in the rank and file. brooks involved in organizing that could be unearthed and be a disaster for the conference. and so, i'll just leave it there but one of them -- someone

mentioned to me not just january 6. we don't want to talk about going back to what happened after the election meaning everybody telling the lie. and how much did they tell it and how far did it go? >> it's just an unbelievable state of play that one of the two parties purged liz cheney for telling the truth and not permitting an investigation. two people who know more about this than just about anyone, thank you. we'll continue to watch for the vote expected. meantime debate about masks in the country continues to play out in the halls of capitol hill. we'll talk with an expert about where that science is today.

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more lingering effects from the toxic disinformation about mask wearing from the political right today in washington. in an apparent protest, ten republican members of congress went maskless on the house floor. three of them we are fined $500 for doing so. knowing they violated a mandate, they posed for a picture outside the capitol and declined to tell nbc news whether or not any of them had been vaccinated. let's bring into our conversation public health analyst dr. irwin redlynner.

i want to ask you, is it really confusing? i don't think it's confusing if you're vaccinate, you don't have to wear a mask, but if you're in a business or workplace that still requires it, you do. what are people making such a fuss about? what am i missing? >> i any part of the problem, nicolle, is that the krds probably should have let the states know with a little more warning that they were going to issue this new ruling of the new ruling is perfectly appropriate. the problem is the actual implementation of any guidelines happens at the state and local levels and the business level. so i think people are unprepared in the sense of the new ruling and we have this continues crazy politicization about everything about covid, which was manifested in the house today. i think it will clear up soon. i think it's good news that we

can go without masks in most places and hopefully a lot more people -- but i think a bit more preparation in the messaging would have probably been a good thing, nicolle. doctor, i'm a new yorker, so i have to time-out the new york news as one of the places hardest hit. new york state loosening mask requirements for fully vaccinated citizens. masks are still required in several settings. it feels lick in northern especially, it is obviously based on the science, but it has some symbolic impact. just talk about the sort of mask mandate being listed in the earliest state to be hit. >> i think it's a big deal for new yorkers. for new york, we had this

massive impact just not that many months ago i think the stress on new yorkers in ever sector was palpable, and this is really big news and good news. our hope is we don't get -- i think we're looking ahead toward some brighter days and more and more light appearing at the end of this very dark tunnel, nicolle. >> vaccinated people can go to the eu. that news surprise you, or is that where we're heading? >> no, i think that's where we're heading. i think the whole planet is waiting to get back to normal. the problem is there are massive global problems. in india, nepal, africa and exacerbated by the fighting in the middle east, we have

hospitals that are overwhelmed and overcrowded. we have a bit of a false sense of really ending the pandemic if we're just looking with tunnel vision at what's happening in the eu and the u.s. as we said before, we have to make sure the whole planet gets this pandemic under control before we can take a deep breath and relax. >> if we have learned anything from the last 15 months, it should have taught us that. doctor, thank you for spending time with us today. the next hour of dois dois starts after a quick break. we're just getting started. virtual wall breakm pn we're just getting started one way we're making a difference. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base claim your seventy-five-dollar credit

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would you do you think kevin mccarthy does not want a careful examination about what happened on january 6th? >> well, my humble opinion is there's some information that he would deem troubling for the republican party if it got out. i think he will do everything

possible to prevent that. hi again, everyone. i 5:00 in the east. we are expecting a full house vote coming soon on that bill to create an independent commission to investigate the events of january 6th. that is congressman thompson remarked there, the opposition from republican leadership against the creation of a 9/11-style commission raises some question -- why oppose something that after months of negotiations democrats gave republicans just about all of what they wanted? why be against an investigation unless you have something to hide. of course, mccarthy and mcconnell are just following orders from the disgraced ex-president who yesterday ordered them to -- they immediately fell into line. the house gop, though, is left scrambling. kevin mccarthy's announcement yesterday was followed by gop leadership sending a her to the

conference recommending a no vote as they try to guard against defections. this morning mvp mcconnell formally voiced his opposition to the legislation. >> after careful consideration, i've made a decision to oppose the proposal for another commission to study the events of january 6th. it's not at all clear what new facts or additional investigation yet another commission could actually lay on top of existing efforts by law enforcement and congress. the facts will come out and they will continue to come out. >> not all of them, of course, right? it's not clear what else might come to light. how about this, mr. minority leader. despite all of the previous congressional hearings, the reporting and impeachment proceedings, there's always been a crucial missing piece from that day.

that missing part? an official accounting of donald trump's actions on january 6th, especially once he returned to the white house after addressing his at the rally he supporters. time and time again, the merely the party of donald trump and the big lie. it's no wonder they don't want questions asked and answered. despite of efforts, republicans are not unified. within hours of mccarthy comes out against the bill, dozens of rank-and-file republicans were telling their leader they inclined to side with john katko. jake sherman reporting earlier on the number of republicans likely to vote, somewhere around 20 to 30, he says. the obstruction by most in the gop of getting to the bottom of what happened on january 6th is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters

and friends. garrett haake is with us at the capitol. also phil rucker, "the washington post" senior washington correspondent and michael steele is here. garrett, the latest from you, my friend. >> reporter: just within the last few minutes, there's been a bit of a bomb 14e8 on twitter in the form of a letter from the group of capitol police officers, not the entire capitol police, though they use their letterhead expressing their profound disminority leaders in both houses for not backing this commission. they say essentially, how can you turn your backs on us in this way? that's not a direct quote, but the letter goes on to say the officers need the support by members of congress, they want this commission, and they remind members it is the heroism of the u.s. capitol police department that kept them safe, and they want this done. now, that could put pressure on some of the republican house members who are sitting on the

fence for a vote that could start any minute now. i've been tracking, along with jake and the punchbowl's whip count, i think we're somewhere in the 25 to 30 republican range who might vote in favor of this commission. for mitch mcconnell to come out this morning probably slammed the door on a jailbreak that might have lost more republicans, if you're a marginal vote on this, or someone from a margeant district, you're now looking at it, saying the senate will stop this anyway, so why stick my neck out on it? but i expect to still see several significant republican defections to support this commission in the next hour. >> i'm not looking at the politics, i think those are clear, but on the policy, how do they turn away from the men and women who protect their lives? not just on that day, but today, yesterday, tomorrow. there was a statement i read in

the last hour from one of the officers who took his own life. they said we absolutely, as a family, we deserve an independent investigation and commission. how do they look those people in the eye? >> reporter: it's going to be up to them and their individual consciences to decide how they want to handle this, though i will say, i suspect this her from the capitol police might push more republicans to vote in favor of the other major january 6th bill we'll see later this week, the supplement at, which provides boatloads of money for hardening the capitol, for paying overtime and back pay that may be where they go to assuage their feelings about the capitol police later this week. i want to bring you in, michael steele, on this sort of down the bottom of aletter in wonderland's looking glass.

garrett reported in this hour yesterday scalise was whipping votes against an independent commission negotiated by john katko, who actually achieved all of what kevin mccarthy wanted. this bill they're going to vote down likely in the senate, as garrett is reporting, if it holds true, is what kevin mccarthy told john katko to get, equal number of appointees of democrats and republicans. i'm asking about the tragedy of -- of the two political parties not being interested in understanding what led to an attack on the u.s. capitol in which the attackers chanted "hang mike pence." >> first off, garrett is a stronger brother than i. i don't know how he roams those halls and have people whisper, i don't understand why we're doing this, i don't get it, and then

take the stance that they do. here's the rub. every american who is watching this narrative unfold, like so many within my party in the last few years, we know this. this was an attack on the united states congress. republican members of congress, republican members of the senate understand this is an attack on the place where you work. while you would love to investigate what happened when a target was ransacked in the summer of 2020, that's not the same as attacking the united states congress. mayors, city council members, local law enforcement officials, they can investigate that, but if you won't investigate this, who will? a mayor from d.c. or mayor from chicago or mayor from wyoming is not going to come flying up to washington to investigate what happened on january 6th. that's your responsibility. the fact you're going to play

patty cake politics with the lives and the workforce that serve on that hill is appalling. there is no excuse here. there is nothing you can say other than aye, we vote yes to investigate. particularly when the democrats gave you everything you wanted, everything you wanted, mr. mcconnell and mr. mccarthy, you got. mccarthy realizes, oh, snap, my behind is about to get exposed. i'm going to have to testify, everybody is shutting down. all i can say to the american people is, remember the names, remember the vote. >> that's right, and remember it in the spirit of where we are, phil rucker. we are a country under heightened threat from domestic violent extremism. i do not care about the

political aspects of this story. this has since the moment it start since garrett was under threat, saying they told their loved ones where their wills where in case they died at work. this is about national security. this is about lid cheney telling the truth and being purged. this is about rot at the highest levels of one of the two political parties, but it also seems to be about liz cheney's charge that kevin mccarthy knows something. >> this insinuation, which is all that's been publicly, that kevin mccarthy knows something and her claim to john carl that he should be subpoenaed by an

independent commission seems to have put him over the edge, which was negotiated to his heart's content. everything he sent katko to get, he got. >> that's important. first of all, the threat is not extinguished. it is alive and well. there are domestic extremists all around this country. there are millions of people who believe donald trump won the election, and had it stolen from him. so the danger to the capitol, and the other buildings here in washington is not over. so there's a law enforcement and national security imperative to investigate and get some questions answered to try to prevent this from happening in the future. there's one thing we know about that kevin mccarthy did on january 6th that he has not accounted for in full. that is the phone call he had with president trump.

it's something that one of his colleagues spoke about after the fact, that mccarthy himself, to my knowledge, has not been pinned down about that call, has not had to testify or answer in full what he said to trump, what trump said back to him, in addition to anything else he might know. he would not be the only lawmaker who was questioned if there was an independent commission of this nature. many other republican and democratic members of the house and the senate would probably be questioned. who knows what additional information could be learned, especially those sympathizing with the nextists, chanting "stopple steal" encouraging them and were themselves a part of that coalition. >> thinking of raised fists and whatnot. garrett, let me read the statement. this is from representative jamie huererra butler.

in my january 12th statement, i referenced a conversation house minority leader kevin mccarthy relayed to me that he had had with president trump while the january 6th attack was on going. when he finally reached the president on january 6th and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated it was antifa, and mccarthy refuted it, and that's when the president said, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. if that's already sort of entered into the public record, what else is there that kevin mccarthy doesn't want to share? >> the rest of that contents with the phone call our how long it took to raise him or how many times he had to ask what was the ultimately fairly tepid video

released by the then president to call off the rioters, or frankly what other steps he might have taken in the lead-up. was he 3wr50e6d about the possible danners? though i will say that this argument cuts both ways. opponents of this commission will say, we've already had an impeachment and trial about this. that's over. we're already going to vote this week on the things that are necessary to harden the capitol, protect members of congress. that's done with. if your goal is to find out exactly what president trump was doing at the time and/or to embarrass republicans who are associated with him at the time, that's merely political. that's why some republicans are saying they're opposing this. they don't believe there's a useful forward-looking takeaway beyond what they now and are already doing. >> michael steele, the problem with that is i worked in the louse on 9/11. if anyone thought it was

political to want to know exactly what bush had in his pdb that days, they would have been impeached. if anyone thought it wasn't worth finding out what the charges were about flashing yellow, some of the very same members rode a wave of republican sort of policy pronouncement, that 2002 midterm that ushered -- thune lost, but a whole lot of these very same members that are saying what garrett haake says they are say were never under the impression that 9/11 should only be investigated by congress. they wanted the congressional investigation. i think mueller testified before congress more times than anyone in the history of the fib. he was up there every single week answering question. everything cooperated with the 9/11 commission. this is not consistent with their views about other threats

to the homeland how do we go forward? >> i think you've got to push past him. we cannot be held hostage on this investigation? we just can't. look, i'm not shooting a message. garrett is good, he gets the information, but that's some of the most lame-brained excuse making i have ever heard. we're going to give them a whole lot of money on the back end, and by the way, we already impeached donald trump, none of which has anything to do with what happened on january 6th. here's what they don't want to talk about. not just mccarthy, but what other folks, to put it politely, had their hand in this mess? who may have been tweeting or otherwise texting or conversating with those members out there storming the capitol.

this is finding out what animated ant brought this thing to our door steps. this is on doorstep. it was like someone put a bag of pop there, and we stepped in it. who put it there? who is going to clean it up? these are all questions we want answers to. americans aren't looking at this through a political lens, nicolle. people lost their lives. the symbol our democracy, our freedom was attacked. the fact that republicans who preached this narrative of freedom and democracy for all these years don't see that, we have to push past them. we just do. we have to force them to either come to grips with truth or lose their seat? you can't hold the seat and

continue the lie. >> reporter: nicolle, there is an option here for democrats to do both of those things, to push past republicans and get the answers they're asking for. i asked speaker pelosi, if this get blocked at the senate level pulp tepid support, there's nothing preventing the speaker from authorizing other committees to do the work without the protections that republicans have said they wanted for this effort. democrats could absolutely move ahead in that way. speaker pelosi told me she doesn't want to go that route, because there are trump supporters out in this country who will be more inclined to understand and believe that they were lied to if there are people they trust involved in the process. so they very much want to do this in a bipartisan way to convince the people who bought into the big lie that that's in fact what it was and not

necessarily to push past them, unless that is the only way to get this done. >> phil rucker, the obviously historical example is the benghazi committee which has some of the earliest roots of radicalizing republicans around the kind of effort that i think garrett is saying the speaker i wanted to avoid? it is almost ser dip it us that may be where we end up? >> it may be, nicolle. one of the reasons it's being so polarizing is behalf former president trump, who's been applying pressure on his republican allies in congress to keep them from supporting this commission, because he, perhaps more than anybody, doesn't want to see this take shape. he doesn't want there to be a full accounting of what he did or what motivated the nextists to storm the capitol. you mentioned the benghazi committee. keep in mind even though that was a partisan effort, there was

some democratic cooperation. we all remember hillary clinton testify for, what was it, 11 hours? 12 hours? straight answering questions from all questions, including very political questions designed to undercut her looming presidential campaign, so there's a history there of cooperation that we don't see today, as it relates to january 6th efforts. >> and you've all shared all of your reporting, and dealt with all my haranging. i just want to leave everyone with one last piece of information about what a commission could uncover. this is from "the washington post" reporting in february -- rather than appearing appalled, trump was transfixed by the spectacle. he was buoyed to see his supporters fighting for hem. ben sasse told hugh hewitt that he had learned from officials

that trump was walking around, confused why other people on his team weren't as excited as he was, as you had rioters pushing against capitol police. garrett haake and phil rucker, thank you for starting us out. if you learn more in the next 45 minutes, let us know. we will continue to keep an eye on the house floor. as the gop works to ignore what happened and torpedo the creation of the january 6th commission, some republicans want antses, one of them john katko. he helped to broker the deal for the commission, only to be thrown under the bus. plus we'll talk to one of the house managers from donald trump's second impeachment about the need to fully investigate the insurrection and hold the former president responsible for his --

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as a member of congress, we take an oath to defend the constitution, because at times it needs defending. on january 6th, the nation watched as insurrectionists stormed the capitol, threatening the safety of countless individuals and successfully, al bet it temporarily, disrupting or process. now we must match the capitol police's courage and defend the constitution. >> powerful words, true words, all the more remarkable, considering these days -- that

was john katko six days after the insurrection. he was a yes vote for donald trump. it was a speech that made it into the impeachment itself as an exhibit. on that very same house floor, soon members will vote on whether to create a commission here's what he had to say. >> why was that information not shared with the proper entities in why were capitol police officers left so unprepared? who fail to provide them with support? why did it take so long for reinforcements to come to their aid? the american people and the capitol police deserve those answers. joining our conversation, chris

crebs. and of course michael steele is still with you. chris there's something that congressman katko says there i find so haunting. he says we need to know why it took so long for the reinforcements to come. the entire animating theory, other than the politics about benghazi, was trying to find out why it took so long for reinforcement to come. there's too much conspiracy layered on top of that, but why don't they want to know why it took so long for reinforcements to come to the capitol? >> i can't figure this part out outside of political bringsmanship, the decision trees, decision flows, and various players i think would be critically important to understand, so that we owe it to these mere, also as what is mentioned? , we haven't defused this issue.

it could very well happen against in what's important in that law enforcement itself an investigation couldn't uncover, or a committee in and of itself. the commission has to do the deep dive, present that information to the american people and present a road map to ensure it does not happen again. that's i think where congressman katko is trying to end up here. >> well, congressman katko answers to kept manage kathy who sent him in for a deal to negotiate, where republicans and democrats have the same number of appointees to the commission. they both have to sign off on subpoenas. what do you know how congressman katko may find himself in now, where mccarthy has slice whipping up votes against the deal. >> well, not to contradict you there, nicolle, but congressman

katko answers to the american people, particularly the voters in his district. >> good correction. thank you. >> you know, not trying to be pedantic here, but i mentioned this the other day on twitter. i have known john katko for quite some time. he was part of the homeland security committee that had oversight at my agency at dhs. he was a great partner. we got a lot done in consequence. here's what i know. the form is a former organized crime prosecutor, a federal prosecutor. if you don't think he's seen some things and been attempted to be bullied by pretty scary people, you have another thing coming. he's not going to be intimidated by some of the members of the rep caucus. you know, he swore the same oath i did. he is going to country over

party here, and he is very clear-eyed on what he's attempting to do here. >> i love that you made that correction, because that's the thread that i think you lose when you cover this -- one of the two governing parties in the country. one more question for you about congressman john katko. is he inclined to go find ten senate republicans to vote with him? >> i can think of two or three right off the bat. >> name names. >> well, i would love to hear what reverend steele has to say in terms of other members, but i think they're there to be had. [ laughter ] >> you've been invoked, reverend steele. i think our reporting is that it will pass the house, but you think you could get ten senators? [ laughter ] >> okay, first off, it's two

t-shirts. it's the jacket. i know what it is. i've got it. i know what it is. people you blowing me up saying i'm reverend steele today. my gosh. see? two t-shirts. >> i love that we now feature ward robe changes only in the 5:00 hour, but get comfortable. >> chris, you got me, you got me. [ laughter ] >> having a liz cheney working with congressman katko and others, particular those who may vote with katko on this bill i think they have an automatic inroad to the senate. this was good work done by congressman katko, he took it seriously, he brought the demeanor and the authority of his former office to this job.

he understood what was at stake, and he understood what needed to be done. so i suspect he will have friends and allies who will join him in convincing and hopefully pressuring, if necessary, senate members to do the right thing here. this is not -- this is not a hard lift for these folks. if someone in your base blows you up, because you don't want to investigation january 6th? i'm sorry, i would call that into question, if i were them. >> one additional thing here, nicolle. john katko is a well-respected member of congress. he's not a firebrand. from where i would have sat at

cisa, if we negotiated a deal with congress on a piece of legislation and they gave us what we asked for, it would be a breach of protocol to walk that back or ultimately oppose it. you know, he's got a lot off line here. he's going to have those that come up and support him based on the room he was given to run. >> yeah. >> i think breach of protocol is their brand these days. michael, i was going to ask you, if the republicans think they have nothing to high, they think it's preposterous, that they've been accused of given recon advance tours, why aren't they before the commission? >> because they gave reconnaissance tours before the day of the riot. i wouldn't want to testify to that. this is a game of self-interest. what's so madingly unfortunate about this is everybody's gotten

locked up into mccarthy's self-interest here. this is a self-interest play. he does not want to have to testify to what he said, and he can't get away with conversations between me and the president are confidential. no, it ain't the not when you've already told other members of congress what the president said to you and what those conversations entailed. now the rest of us would like to know, just how serious did you and others take what was happening, eye specially those in the white house, what tips were taken to mitigate against the breach. these are all important questions, so i think members of congress should avoid getting caught up in protecting whether it's mcconnell or protecting mccarthy or anyone else who doesn't want to, you know, seek the truth here. there's a truth that needs to be told. it will come out. i don't want to see it come out in a book in a year.

i want to see it come out right now, so that we all know exactly what we're dealing with, who we're dealing with and how we need to deal with it. >> chris krebs, you're part of this story. you were fired, because you protected the election from interference and threats, and then you told the american people that the election was secure. is that a fair summation of why donald trump fired you? >> that sounds pretty close to me, yeah. >> so my question is, why is kevin mccarthy now in on the conspiracy and mitch mcdonnell as well, in coming out against this bill, to make americans not trust our elections, to do what liz cheney said? to sort of cosign donald trump's crusade against democracy? >> i don't know the minority leader's motivations here.

i can sit back politically and see the fact they may have the opportunity to retake the house in 2022, and that would give them a lot of ability to launch investigations, have hearings, thing of that nature. anything they can do to minimize the attack surface or expose their own flank, that could be part of it. but all that aside, we owe this to the american people. we owe it to them to investigate, to document, to understand what happened and put in place controls and mechanisms that it never happens again. keep in mind the confederate flag walked through the capitol building. that never happened in the 1860s, yet it happened in 2021. we have to make sure the failures never happen again. >> especially since they were there at trump's invitation, protesting an election result that you yourself made sure was,

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they were doing what he wanted them to do. they wouldn't have listened to you, to me, to the vice president of the united states who they were attacking. they didn't stop in the face of law enforcement, police officers fighting for their lives to stop them. they were following the president. he alone, our commander in chief, had the power to stop it. >> that was congressman joe neguse, one of the managers during the disgraced ex-president's second impeachment trial during one of the more powerful moments, making clear what we all know now, that donald trump could

have stopped the insurrection at any point, but he didn't, leading to the deaths of five people, including capitol police officers brian sicknick. we're waiting for the house vote on the create of a commission to investigate the insurrection, which republicans have now come out strong le against. joining us is joe neguse, a member of the communication committee. congressman, just reset us, please, what is at stake in this vote? if you vote against it, what are you voting against? >> well, good to see with you, nicolle look, january 6th was one of the darkest daze in our country's history when our temple of democracy was attacked. multiple people died. over 140 members of law enforcement we are harmed.

staff, members, who endured great trauma. now today the house has a binary choice as to whether or not folks will choose to side with the truth and support a bipartisan effort to appoint a commission that ultimately can do its important work and provide an opportunity to lay out the facts and provide solutions as to better secures and safeguarding or democracy, or you can side with the former president, with president trump, and i think the fact -- i'm sure you saw this afternoon, nicolle, that several police officers released a letter in which they expressed their profound disappointment with the actions of the minority leader, in terms of how he has acted regarding this economy. i think it says it all. clearly he has made his choice. i'm just hopeful that more republicans of good faith like representative katko, will make

the right choice when we vote this afternoon. >> your colleague, eric swalwell has tried to help another officer, officer fanone, get a meeting with kevin mccarthy, and that hasn't taken place, is our understanding. it's also our understanding that mccarthy tasked katko to negotiate this deal, and these were requests from leadership. so do you have any clarity on what happened? >> i don't, nicolle. i wish i did. i suspect that the former president made clear his objections to this legislation, and the minority leader could pip lated, as he has so often done in the past. what is concern to me, to be candid, during the impeachment trial, we warned our fire was the violence we experienced on january 6th could very well be just the beginning, and that really the choice is to whether

or not that violence was the beginning or the end was in the hands of the united states senate, and in the hands of every public servant in terms of how they carry themselves and the decisions they make. i'm fearful that the conspiracy theories that metastasized over the months after the election, it's only gotten worse since then. you see what's happens with the theater of the absurd audit in arizona. i feel that we are going to get complacent and not realize that our democracy is still very much, you know, in peril if certain individuals continue to whitewash the events of january 6th and refuse to allow us to get to the truth as to what happened that fateful day. >> well, your fears are confirmed by the united states department of homeland security, which reupped that threat

warning, that domestic violent extremists post a real threat to all of us. i wonder if, in your honest judgment, there isn't more incitement to violence, with all the examples you cited, with the ongoing count or audit, whatever you want to call it, in arizona. 47 states looking and debating voter suppression laws in answer to a fraud that doesn't exist. the purges of liz cheney. are the extremists winning? >> you're precisely what i worry about. it's certainly getting worse, not better. i think the perpetuation of the lie continues, and it's certainly not helpful when you have so many in the house republican caucus who, again, are choosing party over country instead of taking the course that liz cheney and john katko and so many other republicans

have taken over the course of the last several weeks. i'm hopeful. we'll see what the final tally is tonight, and then we'll need to follow what happens in the senate closely. i'm hopeful there will be enough senate republicans and democrats of good faith to stand up and get this bill over the line. i will say, isn't it incredibly powerful that the senate republicans, my understanding, have not yet filibustered a bill in the united states senate. it appears as though the first bill they would filibuster would be a bill to establish a bipartisan commission along the lines of what we did in the days, months and years after 9/11. i pray that is not the case. but we'll see. time will tell. >> i will tape some of your hope and count it as mine. i appreciate that view. i know you have to go vote. thank you for spending time with

us, michael neguse. michael steele, jo know what you say -- this is not a republican party looking the other way in the face of a heightened threat of extremism. this is a party goosing it. it's fanning the flames every single day. >> i know it's frustrating to a lot of americans out there, who really on something like this especially, nicolle, sort of take 9 partisan glasses off. yeah, we can have a big debate about pipelines, infrastructure policies, all those things, and kind of keep at least one political lens on when you get engaged in those conversations, but this is where where we have to be clear-eyed, look at the country as a whole and ask ourselves, are we really going to allow this to go forward? are we goods to whitewash it? are we going to look backward

and try to place other people, other organizations on those capitol steps on january 6th, when we know that was not the case. they were nowhere near that. they were not involved in that. we have to be honest about that. the fact that members of my party can't be honest about that. i know it's disheartening and very frustrating. it does beg the question where do you go from here? as the song says, how low can you go? >> it is amazing. i think, where do you go from here, is the question not for the republicans, but where does the country go? stay with us, michael steele. i love your outfit for one. yew reward is keeping you around even longer.

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that was congressman tim ryan just a couple minutes ago on the floor of the house of representatives. the house vote on the bill to accomplish a 9/11 style commission to investigate the january 6th capitol riot is now just moments away. i want to bring in my colleague. i have a quick question for you. what is -- i mean, i think that clip may have answered it for me. but the mood is tense and angry and disconcerted. but what is the mood around congressman katko who had the rug pulled out under him? >> representative katko, nicole, is in one of those most awkward situations where he has democrats who are praising him. meanwhile, republicans are completely throwing him under the thus even though he was told to negotiate this and he did in good faith and he actually came to an agreement that met most of the concerns of republicans

about staffing, about the makeup of the commission and about subpoena power. so representative katko is in a very difficult district. he also voted to impeach the former president. and now he is leading this republican effort. and, so, he doesn't have a lot of friends right now on the republican side of the aisle, but he's being held up as a champion by democrats. politically, that's a very challenging place to be, nicole. >> michael steele. >> that's a challenge for sure. but what's the plan b for democrats? are you beginning to hear, okay, we get the win here. maybe with 20 to 30 republicans. what's the plan b for getting across the line in the senate? and are there some thoughts about, okay, if that fails, taking this and putting it in the hands of the various committees? >> yeah. michael, i actually asked lea er hoyer that exact question and those exact words just about an

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we will all continue to cover what's happening in the house of representatives all throughout the evening. ari melber picks up our coverage right now. hi, ari. >> hi, nicole. thank you very much. as mentioned, we're tracking two major developing stories right now. at any moment the house is slated to hold this monumental vote on the january 6th commission to investigate fully the insurrection on the capitol which leld five dead. many are tracking how many republicans ultimately vote against what many have called a search for the basic truth for what happened on that terrible day. we will be watching the vote along