commission to investigate the sex of january 6th. i'll see you tomorrow at 6:00. "the reidout" is next. good evening everyone. we're following a number of major stories tonight, including that stunning announcement out of the new york attorney general's office that they are now pursuing a criminal investigation of the trump organization. i'll talk to former trump lawyer michael cohen a bit later. but we begin "the reidout" tonight with breaking news. the house just moments ago voted to authorize a bipartisan plan to create a 9/11-style commission, investigating the january 6th insurrection. here is the vote, where, as you can see, 35 republicans had the courage to break away from party leadership to vote for the commission. 175 voted against it. in the days leading up to this moment, kevin mccarthy and many of his republican colleagues

have signaled their firm objection to more transparency. it's the latest example of the majority of republicans goose stepping to the dear leader's tune of erasing a crucial day in our nation's history, the day a pro-trump mob stormed the u.s. capitol, looking to attack the sitting vice president. disrupting one of the core tenets of our democracy. this vote occurred the same day the fbi released new video of the insurrection. take a look at this footage. this is what a republican just last week said looked more like a, quote, normal tourist visit. does this look normal to you? it doesn't look normal to me. i imagine it doesn't look normal to anybody with eyeballs and a pulse. that's what republicans led by kevin mccarthy want the country to believe. it's why so republicans testified last week that the violence was no big deal, the same day the party purged a

member from its leadership for refusing to go full animal farm. now today some voted to block an effort to get to the truth about january 6th. kevin mccarthy opposed the legislation because this commission wouldn't study other unrelated violence associated with the left. given the so-called left wing violence has nothing to do with the insurrection. as we said last night, that would be like the 9/11 investigation investigating the rodney king beating and protest. there's no correlation between the two. of course, the republican leadership stopped making sense a long time ago. look who is running it? puppet kevin and shell of a copilot mitch mcconnell who today emerged from the senate swamp to say he, too, is opposed to legislation to probe the capitol attack. >> after careful consideration, i've made the decision to oppose the house democrats' slanted and

unbalanced proposal for another commission to study the events of january 6th. what is clear is that house democrats have handled this proposal in partisan bad faith, going right back to the beginning. >> mitch, what was that part again that you said before about trump being practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day? yeah. according to cnn there are many reasons why republicans, mainly puppet kevin that want this probe to disappear. it comes with possibly a subpoena for kevin. it could also prevent him from becoming house speaker, which ain't going to happen, kev. in the end, it's about power, even if it means rewriting and falsifying history, a tactic that is popular among tyrants. joining me is congressman eric swalwell. congressman, the family of one of the late capitol police officers, one who committed suicide after the capitol

attack, they actually released a statement on wednesday supporting a january 6th commission. this is the quote. uncovering the fact will help our international space station and may lessen the lingering emotional bitterness that is dividing our country. behind closed doors, have you talked to any republicans to explain why they wouldn't go along with it? >> a republican told me last week at the house gym, he said, when did you guys become the party that stands up for cops, joy? i think you are seeing that this is a choice between our constitution and chaos, and republicans are standing with chaos. they're the chaos party. we are the ones backing the officers, who put their lives on the line for us, were in hand-to-hand combat for us, who don't give a rip about politics, but want to make sure their ak feiss matter. three officers died, one lost an eye and another lost multiple

fingers. they deserve to have a commission that looks at what happened, what happened that day and to ensure no officer and no democracy ever weathers something like that again. >> you spoke earlier about having spoken with officer fanone who was trying to get in touch with mccarthy. do you know if he was able to get in touch with mccarthy's office. >> i talk to him often. a lot of times he's telling me what democrats need to be doing on any issue. this guy is not partisan at all. he has not yet heard from the mccarthy team. it hurts officers like officer mike fanone. they feel like their sacrifices are being denied and erased. while three officers died, many died a little bit each day that those seek to try and erase what they did. this is about the ground truth

and making sure those officers and their service is remembered. >> i wonder if you've talked behind the scenes. john catco in the debate. this is him supporting the idea of having a commission. take a listen. >> what information was known leading up to january 6th? why was that information not shared with the proper entities? why were capitol police officers left so unprepared? who failed to provide them with support? why did it take so long for reenforcements to come to their aid? how can we approve the decision making and bureaucracy that is clearly hampering the capitol police and security of the capitol complex? the american people and the capitol police deserve those answers. >> those seem like pretty simple questions. you're looking to get that information as well in the lawsuits you filed which could have discovery and get those answers as well. i wonder if you've talked to any members among the 35 who did vote for truth and transparency? it feels like kevin mccarthy is

doing this because he thinks, if he can bury the truth of january 6th, he could become speaker. could what he's done actually imperil his path toward trying to be speaker? >> i believe so, yes. i also believe the sentiment i hear from my republican colleagues is we can weather one of these attacks. we can't weather another one, especially a consecutive electoral college count iv years later where something like this could happen again. this is to make sure it does not happen again. i won't try and speculate as to kevin mccarthy's motives. i will tell you, the consequences we're seeing front and center today when capitol hill police officers released a letter through congressman raskin how disappointing it is that mccarthy and mcconnell won't recognize what happened to them. also, joy, this is about having a commission that gives us and levels with the american people. we can't agree on much today. we can't agree on the news. we choose the news that agrees

with us. this commission will have testimony from those on the ground. this commission will provide testimony that's unimpeachable. it will be the final say as to what happens and a very, very divided country. >> he's still speaker pelosi. she's got guts. >> she met with mike fanone and he won't. >> there you go. if the senate can't clear this and get it through, are committees going to go forward or do we have to depend on lawsuits like yours to get the truth of january 6th? >> we hope our lawsuit provides accountability and information. but the speaker has said she will find out what happened. the senate has been so anti democratic in the way they use the filibuster, to block voting rights, to protect the electoral college count. if that's not a reason to break the flb, i don't know what is. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much. with me kurt bardella,

adviser to the democratic congressional campaign committee and former oversight committee spokesman. you know this process very well, kurt. now that it's passed in the house, it goes to the senate. i wonder if you had thoughts on that. if, in fact, mitch mcconnell is able to block the truth about january 6th and having a commission like this, could a committee process in your view accomplish some of the same goals? >> absolutely it can, joy. i just wrote a piece that went up minutes ago at "usa today" talking about if republicans successfully block the formation of this committee, democrats should use the tools of their majority and have a select committee. i remember the republicans using the select committee on benghazi to, quote, unquote, investigate for five years having hillary clinton testify for 11 hours in front of their commit see. there's nothing stopping democrats, that would have given

a say in the subpoena process, if they walk away from that, so be it. we can have our own hearings, our own committee. we can get the facts. it's very clear there's only one political party in america that cares about getting the truth. that's the democratic party. on some level, joy, asking republicans to participate in this investigation would be like asking members of al qaeda to be part of the 9/11 commission. these people are part of the reason january 6th happened. through their conduct, actions at the oversight committee hearing last week, it's clear that their intent is to be the getaway driver to the arsonists. >> incoherent, no idea what you're talking about. benghazi, you guys chased the former secretary of state all over the country, spent millions of dollars. we have people scaling the capitol, hitting the capitol

police with lead pipes across the head and we can't get bipartisanship. what else has to happen in this country? cops, this is a slop in the face to every rank and file cop in the united states. if we're going to take on china, if we're going to rebuild the country, if we're going to reverse climate change, we need two political parties in this country that are both living in reality and you ain't one of them. >> might the republicans have played a poor hand here? i remember those benghazi committee hearings. when they're held in a partisan sort of circumstance as opposed to what would have been a bipartisan, non-political commission, well, you can sort of produce lots and lots and lots and lots of sound bites and lots of questions for current members about who is giving capitol tours, stuff they might not want to answer. >> yeah. i i don't know about you, but i'm pretty sure that donald trump could not withstand 11

hours of testimony. hillary clinton conducted basically a master class, and taken down people mansplaining to her up there. it seems very clear there's only one party interested in doing that. really that begs the question why. if you don't want a bipartisan 9/11-type commission to look at january 6th, why is ha? what are you afraid they're going o to find? i remember when republicans used to be the party that talked constantly ability oversight, about congressional transparency, the only path of truth being through the house of representatives as jim jordan once said. it's something that congressman swalwell just said. it's really amazing that the law and order party here is the democratic party, the party interested in getting justice and truth and using the tools of the people's house to get those answers is the democratic party par now. that's how far the republican party has wandered away from

what they used to talk about constantly. >> if you were involved in putting together hearings, if this ends up just being in the committee process, you now have the attorney for one of the insurrectionists, the qanon shaman, really called them a very offensive term -- you can read it. short bus people, they were easily duped, they were stupid. it sounds to me like maybe he or his client might be people who might want to be called in front of a committee. would you recommend that to the democrats if they have to proceed that way? >> yeah. i'll tell you, the very first witness that they should hear from is the officer that carson swalwell has become friends with. if republicans don't want to talk with him and meet with him privately, they should meet with him and listen to him tell his story directly to their faces.

so many people have been impacted by what happened. we should put a human face with that. one of the things we learned during the impeachment proceedings of donald trump, when you don't have those witnesses, don't have those first-hand accounts, it diminishes the proceeding. we have an opportunity to hear, if republicans stop the senate from passing the january 6th commission, democrats have an opportunity to take matters into their own hands and put forward those type of witnesses and let republicans sit there and tell them it was just another day in the tour riflt world as a capitol police officer tells a very different story. >> good luck to republicans if they think they'll bury what happened on january 6th, it's not going to happen. kurt bardella, thanks very much. up next on "the reidout," it's getting serious. the u.s. attorney general is now calling the probe into the trump organization a criminal investigation, criminal as in potential jail time. trump is lashing out in every direction, including calling his former lawyer, michael cohen, a,

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there have been two parallel investigations of the trump organization in new york. one is a criminal probe led by manhattan district attorney cyrus vance. the other let by state attorney general leticia james is a civil probe. we're now learning the attorney general's office is also

pursuing a criminal investigation. that's according to the officer itself which released a statement last night. quote, we have informed the trump organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. we are now actively investigating the trump organization in a criminal capacity along with the manhattan d.a. in other words, members of the ag's office are joining forces with cyrus vance's team to pursue that criminal inquiry. that should come as ominous news to the former president who faces a growing list of legal liabilities. in addition to those inquiries, he's under criminal investigation for his election meddling in georgia, he faces two defamation suits over alleged sexual assault and a financial fraud suit filed by his own niece. there's a federal investigation into the january 6th insurrection along with three suits filed by benny thompson, eric swalwell and two capitol police officers. there's the possible exposure trump still faces on obstruction from the mueller probe as well as possible exposure into the

investigation of rudy giuliani over ukraine. joining me is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and paul butler, former federal prosecutor. joyce, i'll start with you on this. it's a cornucopia of potential legal trouble for donald trump. what does it normally take for a probe to go from being a civil case in the ag's office to being criminal? why would that change? >> so it's a simple matter of the evidence. the new york attorney general has broad jurisdiction to investigate civil matters, but she's very limited when it comings to criminal cases. we don't know exactly what the mechanism was to transform this into a criminal case, but, joy, to answer your question, it means in the course of looking at civil claims, she developed evidence that criminal conduct had occurred and so her case was converted over. >> paul, if the trump

organization is notified of this, is that sort of a notice that you're going to be prosecuted? how terrifying would it be to get a letter like that or be notified in that way? >> it would be pretty scary. this sounds almost like a target letter that prosecutors send to inform the person being investigated that the government plans to press charges. a question is what changed to make this civil investigation go criminal? we know that the new york attorney general interviewed allen weisselberg, eric trump and trump's tax attorney who reportedly declined to answer some questions. there had been parallel investigations, but it makes sense for the manhattan da and the new york attorney general to work together on issues like sharing intelligence, securing witness cooperation and dividing up the work. there are literally millions and millions of pages of documents.

joy, this is like two members of the justice league coming together to combine their superpowers to catch a bad guy or a bad organization. >> in that case, joyce, what takes precedence here? if you've got these multiple investigations going on in these two separate offices, combining like the justice league, what's the order of operations in how these things get prosecuted if it goes forward? >> that's an important point about this merger of the two offices evasions. paul and i have both had this experience, of working as prosecutors in cases where more than one jurisdiction had evidence. prosecutors can be a little bit territorial about their cases. so by coming together, this allows the two offices to streamline what they're working on to go after the most important charges, whatever those might prove to be first. and i think most importantly here, often when two different groups are working on similar or

related allegations, they develop different evidence streams. when you put them together, it can add up to more than the sum of their parts. that synergy can create a powerful case. i've seen that happen repeatedly in investigations. there's something going on here, we don't know how close they are or if they will indict either the trump organization or individuals. but as paul says, no one who is involved in this situation should be sleeping easy at night. >> and the other question -- folks were talking about this earlier on nicolle's show. i wonder if all the trump family needs different lawyers. trump put out a silly statement saying it's all political. he can throw that up. he's going up against tish james. she practically shut the nra down and ran them out of new york. this is a serious prosecutor. there's a possibility of dealing with mr. weisselberg who knows

all the books. if you were ivanka and jr. and all of the trump kids, et cetera, should they all be getting different lawyers? they might have different interests, paul, right? do they all have the same interests at this point? >> no. they absolutely need their own criminal defense lawyer. they have to be scared of leticia james. she's kicked donald trump's butt in court already. she forced trump to pay $2 million for using claritiable funds for his own political purposes. as part of that settlement, trump had to make 19 admissions that he personally misused funds. don jr., eric and ivanka have to undergo mandatory training, the trump charitity had to shut down. this prosecuor has a proven record. joy, i don't think she will let this be publicly known unless

she was fixing to do something at some point that's going to cause severe consequences for either the trump organization or donald trump or members of his family. >> let's talk about mr. weisselberg who is the cfo. this is a piece in the "wall street journal." it says new york prosecutors subpoenaed a manhattan private cool as they seek cooperation of weisselberg. more than $500,000 of the weisselberg's children's tuition was paid for -- it means they could have looked at whether the weisselbergs committed tax evasion. we've been talking about flipping someone else to try to get the information you want. mr. weisselberg feels like somebody who might be very valuable if he decided to cooperate. is that where you would be going, joyce, if you were these prosecutors? >> weisselberg has to be the

cooperaing witness you want if you're looking at a financial prosecution. he's the one who knows where all the financial secrets are buried. he would be the key person to have -- there's two ways of reading this, joy. either they're continuing to look at some of these allegations about weisselberg because he's involved as a co-con spirit tore with someone else and they want to prove those cases. but more likely, weisselberg has not agreed to cooperate. they're trying to put pressure on him with these investigations. it's interesting to note that tish james got in a deposition of weisselberg last year. she can also bring that to the table. they can examine those answers in that deposition in light of the evidence they've developed in this on going investigation. >> fascinating, joyce vance, paul butler, thank you very much. more on the announcement by new york's top prosecutor that her office is pursuing criminal charges in the ongoing investigations into trump

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to your knowledge did the president ever provide inflated assets to an insurance company? >> yes. >> do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them? >> yes, and you'd find it at the trump org. >> if anyone knows where the bodies are buried in the trump organization, it's michael cohen. the now two criminal investigations into the trump organization in new york both stem from information from the ex-president's lawyer. the just-announced criminal investigation by new york attorney general la tisch shh james started as a criminal investigation into whether trump evaluated the value of assets

for tax purposes. that probe happened after michael cohen told congress that trump lied about his assets in 2019. the parallel investigation by manhattan district attorney cy vance was launched after cohen pleaded guilty in 2018 to campaign finance violations involving hush money to women on the former president's behalf. the parallel investigations by james and vance had already delved more deeply into trump's business inteen finances. since michael cohen has spoke tone the district attorney's office multiple times, the impeached florida retiree with nothing but time on his hands is attacking cohen. he called him a lying, discredited low life today. that was in when whining rants about how the whole thing is so unfair to him and the trump organization. joining me is michael cohen, former district attorney, host of the mea culpa podcast.

a very expert user of twitter. thanks for all the great promotion for this interview tonight. i want to let you have an opportunity to respond to donald trump's disparagement of you if you care to. >> i really don't care to simply because it's typical donald. but i like his allegations against me. i'm considering looking at who the guy is. this is a guy who has an affair, actually multiple affairs while his wife had just had a child. the child separation act which was just a disgrace and denigrated america's standing in the world, his attacking on president obama's affordable care act, leaving millions of americans without health coverage, his racist rants which we know are just every day, including the fact that he couldn't even mention george floyd's name at any point in time, and finally, january 6th, the big lie, and his continuous promotion of the big lie. so i wear it as a badge of

honor. thank you for that, donald. i appreciate it. >> clearly you did care to. you did. let's talk about the trump organization. you know that organization well. i think when people think of a company, you think of a big corporation like enron or one of these companies that get in trouble. this is a mom and pop organization. it's basically trump, the kids and allen weisselberg. >> it's a glorified mom-and-pop company. when i was there, there were 14 executive vice presidents, myself being included. other than that, you had a lot of support staff, a lot of secretarial staff and so on. at one point in time trump, which is, again, part of his on going continuous lies made allegations that he employed 10,000 people. well, that's not true. again, he doesn't own the buildings that he had employees in. it's either owned by homeowners

associations or it's licensing deals. he included them. he included everybody. you're right, joy. it is a mom-and-pop organization. for a quick second there, i want to go back. i think it's worth me saying when he's talking about my credibility, i personally think -- i'll ask you your opinion on it -- that my credibility is a lot more in demand than trump's petty, pathetic temper tantrums massacre reading as strength. that's what he does. he goes ahead an puts out these statements, and the great thing is he's no longer on twitter. i didn't even know about this denigration of me until your producers called to tell me about it. he's really -- he's mic'd out right now. >> you don't read blogs? let's talk about the hiding of assets. the reason i asked you about the size of the organization is that that would mean presumably that

someone like allen weisselberg and maybe even the trump children, would they be in the know about the valuation of these assets? you're talking about assets that ivanka and jared and the sons are out there pitching and selling these licensing agreements for? would they potentially have exposure here? i was asking in the previous segment should they be getting their own lawyers. >> they have to get their own lawyer. i have a very different opinion -- i'm going to answer your question, but i have a little different opinion on this than most people. the answer is yes, they would know what the valuations are, specifically on projects they were designated to. each one of the children were designated to different projects. allen weisselberg knew every dollar -- not even to the dollar, every penny in and every penny out, when through weisselberg's desk and reported

before and after to donald j. trump. as i stated, there was a very small core group of executives, a larger subset, but a very small core group. it's interesting because i also watched the segment before this where you were talking about trump and whether or not the kids need to. i believe they do need it, and i'm going to tell you why. everyone keeps talking about rudy, rudy, rudy, what did we get off his electronics, what are they going to get now from the trump organization? how are they going to get weisselberg to flip? it's not just barry, but his other son jack which is part of it. i think they already know this. i think donald trump is going to flip on all of them. what do you think about that? including his children. i really believe that donald trump is going to turn -- you always get shocked when i say things, joy. i believe that donald trump cares for only himself. and he realizes his goose is

cooked. when he turned around and gets questioned about what you were asking about, inflation. it wasn't me, it was allen. it was my accountant, it was the appraiser. it's never donald. this is the problem. it's never, ever donald trump. it's always somebody else. it wasn't donald trump who had the affair. it wasn't donald trump who directed me to make the payments to stormy daniels. it wasn't donald trump who got the benefit of the relationship and the actions. it was michael cohen. i'm the bad guy. why? because i didn't take the fall. what's going to happen when the d.a. or the attorney general -- listen, i give her a lot of credit, just as your previous guest did, a lot of credit. she didn't start this as criminal. she started it as civil. what's going to happen when all of a sudden they turn around and start asking him about his tax returns or about the devaluation of the assets or the way he took deductions? i don't do my taxes.

it's my accountant. he's going to turn on his accountant and point the finger. he's going to say don jr. handled that, ivanka handled that. melania, he's going to tell them to take everyone other than himself. >> before i let you go, any thoughts on the fec throwing out the case as to whether or not drum violated election laws with regard to the payment to stormy daniels. >> not only did the fec drop this, but so did the sdny. they had about a dozen sealed indictments regarding this. all of a sudden, well, we don't have enough -- this is under the bill barr control and the donald trump administration. all of a sudden, they did not have enough information within which to bring a claim. that's kind of funny considering you came after me with an anvil over my head and threatening my

wife as well if, in fact, i didn't plead guilty. yeah, it bothered me a lot when i saw that, considering everything was done, and it's on tape. it's on tape of my discussion. everything was done at the direction of and for the benefit of donald j. trump. i do have to say that my credibility, i believe, is going to end up getting donald -- don jr.,weisselberg, his kids, some orange jumpsuits. >> what you have said has tended to check out. michael cohen, you never disappoint. thank you for being here. >> good to see you, joy. >> thank you very much. wow. he never disappoints. a century later, sur reifers of the tulsa race massacre deliver emotional testimony before congress. we'll hear them share their horrific memories of those events and their calls for justice next on "the reidout."

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like to witness that atrocity. >> we lost everything that day, our homes, our churches, our newspapers, our theaters, our lives. greenwood represented all the best of what was possible for black people in america. no one cared about us for almost a hundred years. we and our history have been forgotten, washed away. this congress must recognize us. >> lessie benning field randall was just 6. 100 years later, the memory of that day is still seared into her brain. >> i remember running outside of our house. i just passed dead bodies. it wasn't a pretty sight. i was so scared, i didn't think we could make it out alive. i remember people were running everywhere. >> survivors of the tulsa massacre are plaintiffs in a

reparations lawsuit which argues that the state of oklahoma and the city of tulsa are responsible for what happened during the massacre. today's hearing is meant to explore ways to compensate the survivors and their descendants. hughes van ellis, the youngest of the three at 100 years old told members of the committee that the victims of the greenwood massacre have been ignored by the courts for far too long. >> the courts in oklahoma wouldn't hear us. the federal courts said we were too late. we were made to feel that our struggle was unworthy against -- that we were less valued than whites, that we weren't fully americans. we were shown that in the united

states not all men were equal under the law. we were shown that when black voices called out for justice, no one cared. >> a search for victims continues to this day. in october, excavations began in two parts of a cemetery in the greenwood area. a large event is scheduled for may 31st to commemorate the centennial anniversary of one of the ugliest and until recently least known, even in oklahoma, moments of american history. we'll be right back. but most importantly? they give us something to eat when we drink beer. planters. a nut above.

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president biden spoke to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu today for the fourth time since the crisis between vale and the palestinian people began ten days ago. according to the official "reidout," he conveyed that he expected a significant de-escalation today on the path to a cease fire between israel and the militant organization hamas. it is by far his strongest

statement yet and the only one in which he didn't use the usual language that israel had the right to defend itself. however, after the call, netanyahu doubled down saying in a statement that, i am determined on continue this operation until the objective is achieved to restore the calm and security to you, citizens of israel. violence hasn't shown any signs of stopping. they are continuing to target the stiflt as they fire rockets. so far 227 palestinians have died in gaza including 64 children and 12 israelis have died as a result of rocket fire. the violence isn't limited to gaza. clashes broke out yesterday between palestinians and israelis in jerusalem and the west bank as palestinians launched a strike to protest. joining me now, the professor of modern arab studies and the president of j street. i was very much looking forward to talk to you both.

thanks for being here. i want to start with the situation on the ground is really dire. some 52,000 of the 2 million people in gaza have been displaced according to the information in front of me including 400 buildings, homes, hospitals and schools. you have gaza which is already poor, struggling to cope with covid, has had its two primary health care centers annihilated. it is a complete disaster. to what do you owe the fact that it is still not stopping, that despite all of that horror and the world looking in horror, israel has that, we ain't stopping and hamas has said, we ain't stopping. >> well, i think the israelis not stopping is a direct result of the united states not doing anything to stop it. whatever we were told the president may have said to netanyahu in those short conversations, he clearly hasn't said harsh enough words. israel has used american weapons to do this. in violation of american law.

the president could say, we'll look into that, for example. he could say many other things and co-say things publicly. co-allow security council to issue a resolution, none of those things have apparently been done. so i would put a lot of this down to the willingness of this administration to grant impugnity to israel, no matter how egregious its violations and how many people died. 227 is a lot of people. most of them innocent civilians. >> yeah. and to that point, it is not even just this administration but that is the politics in the united states. the united states is not neutral. it has never been neutral. every administration says the same words and sends the same money. there have been some slight changes. more toward the j street sounding position by some in the democratic party. even bob menendez, pretty hawkish, coming out saying sees deeply troubled. you've had younger members of congress. the cory bushes, we have a palestinian member.

representative ocasio courtes, they are members getting at that money saying they want to block the $735 million in aid going to israel. that feels like real change, or is it? >> it's a seed change. it's an absolute change. it is not just members at one end of the caucus. today you have nearly 140 members, nearly two-thirds of the members, called for an immediate cease fire, making it very clear to president biden that what is being said is true. the united states is not doing everything it can to stop this. two-thirds of the democrats in congress. you have 29 senators on sunday led by the newest senator john ossoff, a young jewish member standing up saying this has to end. so i don't think it is a minor group at one end of the spectrum. i think this is a seed children. where the center of the democratic party is, the center

of public opinion is at. >> i think to me as well, all my life since i was a kid watching this on "nightline" and seeing benjamin netanyahu when he was more of a commentator, being very, very hawkish. it never felt like a critical mass of movement in democratic politics in this direction. it does feel real. is that the reason that you're seeing the president have to change slightly his rhetoric? he can't escape this. he was in michigan. talib is the congresswoman there. he wants to do what he can. >> she and debbie dingle met him on the tarmac and sent a few choice words to him on behalf of their constituents. i think it is not just a very large enough in coming. the media itself is starting to air both sides of the dispute. social media is doing things you all are not willing or able to do. the images people are seeing on social media, they cannot unsee.

i think you have changes going on, things like the tulsa riots, things like black lives matter, are seen as connected by a very large number of people. not just in the democratic party but particularly young people on campuses, young people all over the country. and i think this is something that is actually happening not just in the united states. there is a lot of pushback. there will be even more pushback. i think people are moving in the direction of understanding that much, many of these bromides, that they have the right to defend themselves. do palestinians have the right to defend themselves? israel's security, most are palestinians. we talk about israel's security. people are people and we believe in human rights, which the united states supposedly stands for, then the kinds of things we expect for ourselves, we should expect for people, not just in israel but also in palestine. >> yeah. and you were even seeing jewish

organizations characterizing what we're seeing in israel as apartheid which is something that used to only a small number of people would be willing to say publicly. so i wonder, does that end up moving? it feels like benjamin netanyahu has a political interest in keeping this going, because this might get him past his corruption issues and keeping prime minister. so i wonder, does this end up changing anything on the ground? >> well, i do think that there is a real point to what he's saying. when the united states leans in and says this has to stop, the state of israel will have no choice but to stop it. so this will have an impact. this seed change happening here is worth mentioning on the right as well. that the linement of donald trump and the republican party, benjamin netanyahu in israel, this is part of seed change happening here and it is a huge strategic mistake for those happening about the future of israel. a huge mistake for israel to align it southwesterly the trump

movement when you have all these incredible movements happening with the majority of american jews are lining up with. >> it is inand trickable what's happening with u.s. policy happening there. really appreciate both of you coming on. that's tonight's "reidout." thank you for watching. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> we have scaling the capitol with lead pipes and we can't get bipartisanship. >> roughly 3 dozen republicans and the democrats come together. >> i urge all of you to set set aside politics just this once? how the bipartisan dmoigs investigate the insurrection was passed and how kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell and donald trump plan to kill it. nflt then what we know about the now criminal investigation of the trump