>> i believe the palestinians and israelis equally deserve to live safely and securely and to enjoy equal measures of freedom, prosperity, and democracy. my administration will continue our quiet, relentless diplomacy towards that end. i believe we have a genuine opportunity to make progress, and i'm committed to working for it. >> secretary of state antony blinken is expected to visit the middle east in the coming days. so it's still ongoing in terms of the struggle here. in a statement, the state department writes in part that blinken will meet with leaders to, quote, discuss recovery efforts and working together to build better futures for israelis and palestinians. there's no exact date has been given for this trip. joe? good morning. >> good morning. >> willie? >> good morning. >> top of the hour. >> let's go to tel aviv, guys.

nbc correspondent kelly cobiella is reporting for us and from outside the white house, nbc news white house correspondent, monica alba. kelly, let me begin with you. we always have to insert the word "fragile" when we talk about a cease-fire like this. how did this come about and how fragile is it? >> reporter: well, we began to hear about this, willie, at about 10:00 local time last night. there was talk that a cease-fire was going to be in place, as of 2:00 a.m. at the time, there was still air raid sirens in the border towns in israel. rocket fire from hamas into israel and at least one air strike from the israelis into gaza. but at 2:00 a.m. local time, silence here. the hostilities did, in fact, stop. the cease-fire began. there was celebration in the streets in gaza, a place that

has been absolutely pummeled, bombarded by israeli air strikes over the past 11 days. the idf, of course, saying that they were targeting hamas infrastructure, tunnels, headquarters, homes of hamas leaders. but also, of course, as we've seen, many, many civilians affected by this. there are some 58,000 seeking shelter in u.n. schools over the past several days. homes destroyed, families destroyed, more than 200 people killed in gaza. here in israel, a much more somber reaction, i guess, to this cease-fire. it's now mid-day here in israel. you can hear friday prayers at the mosque just below us here. people are at the beach. there are sailboats out on the water. traffic is resuming. but it is far from normal. we spoke to people on both sides of this issue.

we went to a town called ladd and spoke to a jewish mother of seven and a palestinian father of two. both of them sort of greeted this news of a cease-fire with kind of a shoulder shrug and a lot of skepticism. they both said, look, the underlying problems are still there. and on top of that, and keep in mind, these are people who have lived side by side in a mixed neighborhood in relative peace over the past several years and that peace has only sort of been broken in the past couple of days, when there was quite a bit of violence in ladd, but these people say, if the underlying problems aren't fixed, this is just a band-aid. we will have a conflict again. and i think that goes without saying, guys? >> all right, kelly cobiella, thank you very much. live for us from tel aviv this morning. joe? >> and monica, i thought it was

interesting yesterday, as the israelis were announcing this, that they offered thanks to egypt and to cici, but did not offer thanks to joe biden or the united states. >> that's right, joe, exactly -- >> you know, joe, what was interesting about -- >> i'm sorry, monica, we have a cross up here. monica, is it the white house? is that right? >> yes, can you hear me okay? >> can we hear me okay? >> yeah, we can. we can, go ahead. >> reporter: absolutely, joe. and that was intentional on the part of the u.s. to let the egyptians lead in terms of a more public posture, absolutely. this was described in the early days of this conflict as a quiet, intensive diplomacy on behalf of the americans that shifted just a couple of days ago to dropping the quiet part and making it just an intensive

diplomacy. but all the while, these discussions behind the scenes to pull back the curtain a little bit at the white house, there were more than 80 calls between members of the administration and their foreign counterparts over the last week and a half. six of those calls, of course, were from the president to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and his first public conversation that they shared with the leader of egypt, el sisi, did take place yesterday. they were very deliberative in how they were releasing these different kind of rollouts. and i can tell you that a senior administration official does believe that there's optimism that this cease-fire will hold, but acknowledged it's a very fragile peace. and they did take lessons from 2014 when now president biden was vice president to president obama. and that conflict that lasted more than 51 days really taught them and showed them according to some senior administration officials, they didn't want to see a repeat of that.

and behind the scenes, i'm told, that is exactly what was conveyed to the israelis. this is not something they were terrible lasting in this protracted manner. but we also have to remember some of the missing puzzle pieces here as we talk about this conflict. the u.s. hasn't announced a nominee to be the ambassador to israel yet. we expect the president to do that in the coming weeks. and you'll see secretary of state antony blinken, as you're discussing, head to the region also very soon as well. this, of course, is far from over. but the very notable thing here is that this was a president who was very careful in how he wanted this delicate dance to go diplomatically. and the strategy they set out at the beginning was the one they stuck to despite a lot of criticism and divide within their own democratic party, joe and mika. >> all right. thank you so much, monica alba, greatly appreciate it. now, mike barnicle, to you. it's very interesting. there was thanks to el sisi. of course, the egyptian leader and it seems to me that in the

future, any chance of bringing resolution to this conflict may actually go through egypt, even to the point where at some point, maybe egypt actually helps with the security forces on the gaza strip, because they're right there and they're an intermediary that actually seems to work in this case. >> what's interesting about this and monica's report absolutely right on is the phrase that the president used yesterday. quiet, relentless pressure. this president is not new to this situation. he's been around a while. he and bibi netanyahu have a relationship that expanse nearly four decades. it's not a close relationship, but it's a realistic relationship. both men know each other. we're talking about the gaza strip. 25 miles long, maybe 3 to 5 miles wide, 2 million palestinians living there, the average age is 19. joe biden knows all of this when

he comes to the table. and his intent over the past several days, over the multiple phone calls with netanyahu was to resolve the situation as quickly as possible, and a perilous political situation in israel, is netanyahu trying to cling to power through this show of and incredible violence over the past 11 or 12 days in gaza? we don't really know that. but the president of the united states is not an ammateur. he is a professional. and he is his own secretary of state, in a sense. apparently within the next couple of weeks, tom nides will be named ambassador to israel. he's well versed in the region and the intent -- the idea and we'll find out more about this from people more expert in this situation certainly than i is the two-state concept.

is that rekindled or is that dead now after this two-week war. >> one thing we in america don't usually understand because we usually get to these conflicts in the news after they begun and after the first buildings have been hit. but one of the realities is that netanyahu has faced all along and we've heard it on our show is that these cease-fires are incredibly unpopular in israel. because the israelis are the ones that see the 3,000, 4,000 rockets coming in and put pressure on their politicians to finish off hamas, finish off the rocket launches. just like i'm sure we would in the united states, as well. but the ap reporting as well that netanyahu is facing a fierce backlash from right-wing israelis for halting too soon. just something to put in perspective about how we look at it and how the israeli people look at it. the people that are on the other side of those hamas rockets.

>> we'll be coming back to this, but we want to move now to politics here at home. the so-called audit of the 2020 election results that's happening in arizona's maricopa county, the one a top republican called a grift disguised as an audit could be now more than just a farce. and it's causing a security breach for future elections? that's the question. the arizona secretary of state is sounding the alarm bells over the security of the voting machines that were turned over to a private contractor in the state's audit of the 2020 election, democrat katie hobbs is advising maricopa county that they should replace millions of dollars worth of election machines. in a letter, hobbs wrote that after the machines were handed over to the senate and the florida-based company, cyber

ninjas, it's unclear what procedures were in place or follows to ensure physical security and a proper chain of custody. she warns that the lack of physical security and transparency means we cannot be certain who assessed the voting equipment and what might have been done to them. she also pointed out that election -- no election official or observer was allowed to remain with the machines while cyber ninjas and its subcontractors examined them. >> this is outrageous. it used a company that had a ceo that actually endorsed all of these false claims that the election was stolen. and willie, now that these machines have been placed into a conspiracy theorist's hand and a guy who is a grifter and has been a grifter, it would be

irresponsible and reckless for maricopa county to do anything else but get completely new machines. this grift is going to cost them millions and millions of dollars and for elections to come. because they haven't had custody of these machines. they weren't allowed to stay within sight of these machines. so there's not a responsible election official, supervisor of elections that would say, i will let you take my machines that always stay locked up in my facilities. you just take 'em out and play with them and do your conspiracy theorys and then bring them back to me and we'll just run 2022 like that never happened. no, it doesn't work that way. this is outrageous. there are other states that are now talking about following this conspiracy theory path. and somebody -- it's not going to be donald trump, somebody in

the republican party, that actually gives a damn about american democracy needs to step up and tell them to stop these audit. and donald trump's own election security official said, this was the most secure election in american history. if nonsense like this continues between now and 2022, you can be guaranteed that 2022 will be the least secure in quite some time if we're allowing conspiracy theories to get ahold of election machines without any officials being able to look and make sure they don't doctor them. >> let's underline what's going on here. six and a half months after the votes were cast in maricopa county, you have this group called cyber ninjas, what has no experience whatsoever working in elections, is led by a pro-trump guy that has led conspiracy theories. these are the people with a

straight said they were looking for traces of bamboo in the ballots because they thought they were shipped in from china. so they're looking very explicitly to overturn the election and flip the state back to donald trump, six and a half months after the election. let's bring in the professor of the lyndon b. johnson school of internal affairs. i would ask how this could happen, but the answer is pretty plain. the republican-controlled senate in arizona said we want this to happen and we want cyber ninjas, the bamboo group, to look into this and potentially flip the election back to donald trump. >> willie, i'm so troubled about this on so many different levels. so, there's this perpetuate of the big lie, right? that the election was not won by joe biden. so that and in of itself worries me so much. just in terms of sheer

democratic, small "d" theory, and the respectability of a system we have had in place for over 200 years. there's that piece. and then there's the contagion piece. because as we know in policy and politics, if something happens in one state, you're likely to see it copy catted in other similar states. so god forbid, we're likely going to see this repeated in other states that were on that bubble. states that are going from that red to purple to blue, where you still have some pushback. and the final piece is in terms of the logistics of running elections and in the cost. this isn't just like making noise and pushing back. this is millions of dollars in taxpayer money. we have a state, arizona, that has been at the bottom in terms of public spending on education and on being a red state nor so many years, it has skimped on this. so we're taking more money away from the public that it needs

for resources. and my final final point here is national security, right? because when we start playing with our election machines like this, it's not just hurting us from the points we mentioned, but we're opening ourselves up further from influence from russia, from china, from who knows who else in affecting our american democracy. >> yeah, it is -- mike barnicle, it is dangerous, extraordinarily dangerous. one of the things that i think has protected us in the past is the fact that you have, you know, in florida, you've got 67 counties. you have 67 election commissioners, supervisors of elections. they have -- each one of their approaches to doing the elections. they keep their machines secure. and it really does, because each one is responsible and is elected and responsible, to keep those machines safe, to make sure that they're not, you know,

rigged. my gosh, i mean, that's how the system works. here, it's really unbelievable that maricopa county and the idiots in the arizona legislature are allowing a conspiracy theorist to gain custody of their voting machines, without officials making sure they don't do something to make those voting machines less accurate in coming elections. but that's where we are. >> joe, let's underline multiple times that word, "dangerous." this is both dangerous and destructive. destructive to what? destructive to the way our country has operated for well over 200 years. destructive to our republic. destructive to the concept of democracy. and this destruction is

contagious now. why is it contagious? because it's been pushed and promoted nearly every single day by a former president of the united states. who sits there and the pathology of this man is such that i don't think he could walk out of any mental institution in america without being said, come on back here and sit down, we want to talk to you about his issues. this man has promoted the destruction of the existing government of the united states of america. and he has accomplices in this, including the minority leader of the house, kevin mccarthy, including the minority whip of the house, steve scalise, and more than 140 other republicans, who on january 6th did what they did. they witnessed the threat to the capitol, they witnessed the violence, they witnessed the death and destruction of objects within the capitol that are of great important historical relevance and then they turned around hours later on that same

day and voted not to certify the legitimately elected president, joseph r. biden. and this continues each and every day. it continues as we talk about what's going in arizona. and people are right. the contagion is going to be such that other states with republican legislatures, filled somewhat with people who say, you know, that election may have been rigged after all, are going look at this. it's got to stop and i don't know that it will will. >> i see the conspiracy theories. i have people sending them to me all the time. i walk through it every single conspiracy theory is easily disproven in about two, three minutes. every single one. every single one. and yet, they don't want to go on google. they don't want to know the truth. they want to know what's true to

them. they want to know their truth and their truth is this election was rigged. well, why don't you just grade school google this and look at the election returns? i could tick down the list of conspiracy theories. they're ridiculous -- at some point, i guess we need to do a package, we need to put it all together to just how stupid these conspiracy theories are. and they really do. they go to the -- >> i don't think we have a long enough show for that. >> they go to the point -- as willie keeps bringing up, this bamboo group. you know, this bamboo ninja, who is saying, bamboo is in the paper. so, so china sent the ballots over and it's rigged. it's just such nonsense that they think republicans running arizona in maricopa county and republicans running the georgia election are going to rig those elections. and you look at the vote counts, county by county, and it's just lazy and it's stupid.

it's a lazy stupid conspiracy theory. and i say it's lazy, because all people would have to do is just do about five minutes of investigating when they see these lies spewed at them and they would do the truth. but they don't want to know the truth. you know the bible verse when it says, people could walk in darkness in light and know the difference between darkness and light and still choose darkness. that's what's happening here. people could know the difference between truth and lies. they don't want you to tell them the truth. they don't want to investigate for five minutes. they want to wallow in the lie that allows them to think horrible things about american democracy. that allows them to do things that has been far worse than desecrating the american flag. than is far worse than kneeling on sidelines before football games. what they're doing is desecrating democracy. they're desecrating american institutions. they're desecrating all the

things that the american flag is a symbol of. so you will fight to the death for the symbol. you just won't give a damn for a second about the thing that symbol stands for! madisonian democracy. the constitution of the united states. the people's house. the center of democracy. not just in america, but across the globe. so you're going to freak out over somebody not paying enough respect for a symbol, but you're just going to -- i'll just say, throw dirt all over everything that symbol represents. and you do it every day.

>> and this is january 6th. >> this is not about joe biden. this stopped being about joe biden a long time ago. this is about you. this is about you playing in to what every one of our enemies wants you to play into. that american democracy is not worth being trusted. that american democracy is no different than russia. if you believe that, i will say to you what many of you said in the 1960s. america, love it or leave it! if you don't have respect in american democracy anymore, if you don't respect madisonian checks and balances, if your guy doesn't win, if that's the new rules of engagement for this great republic, then just leave our country.

because you're unworthy of it! and there are millions of immigrants who will come here and raise their right hand and buy into the creed and believe that we are exceptional! that believe american democracy is the greatest government on the face of the earth! and they will do it proudly! they will salute the flag proudly! and most importantly, they will fight for what that flag represents! while you shame yourself. while you disgrace yourself. while you disgrace our country in the eyes of the world. yes, this is all on you. get the facts. live in the light. follow the truth. and love this country! and stop this. or leave. or leave. if you're going to believe a reality tv show host's lies about the american republic, his

desecration of american exceptionalism. then just get the hell out. we don't want you here. that's all i've got to say. >> you couldn't have said it better, actually. >> well, thank you. >> no. i really appreciate it. >> i appreciate it. in our next hour, we're going to dig into the new "washington post" reporting on how trump loyalists across the country inspired by an arizona recount are pushing to revisit election results in a number of other states. coming up on "morning joe," the ceos of pfizer and moderna are saying covid booster shots may be needed for some as early as september. but dr. fauci says that might not be the case. we're going to try to sort all of that out. plus, princes william and harry react to the bbc investigation that found journalist martin bashir used, quote, deceitful behavior to

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so, willie, i got to do something really special last night. jake degrom is pitching in the minors, is pitching port st. lucie for the mets. a little bit of rehab. and was playing in jupiter -- >> he throws it really fast. >> really fast, mika. so of course, mika and i, both being huge degrom fans, we drove 15 hours from our homes atop nbc corporate studios in midtown manhattan to watch -- >> top of the rock. >> literally, our apartment is at top of the rock. and so we drove 15 hours to see degrom pitch this minor league

game for three innings. this guy. we were like, is he going to be ready, not going to be ready? first pitch, 100 miles an hour. second pitch, 102 miles an hour. third pitch, 102 miles an hour. i kept saying, i want to see his off-speed. his off-speed is 94 miles an hour, and it's a curveball that's unhittable. this guy is -- he just may well to prove to be this generation's koufax. it really was extraordinary to see in person. >> what a cool thing to see him up close. the team he was playing against, the class "a" palm beach cardinals, their social media was hilarious last night. >> this guy's great! we need to hire them. they were sending s.o.s. messages, degrom is throwing 102. please send help. i think he faced nine hitters and struck out eight of them. he may well be the best pitcher of the generation. but imagine you're playing class "a" minor league ball, you might have graduated high school a couple of years ago or just

walked off the stage of a college graduation and step in the box against degrom throwing 102 in palm beach. >> the pitcher of your generation. >> yeah, you know, you're 19, as you said, willie, 19 or 20 years of age, signed a professional baseball contract, you're assigned to a class "a" team, you're going to play in miserably hot weather down in the summer. you didn't play any minor league baseball last year at all because the league was canceled due to the virus. and now one of your first games of the year, you step in the box and it's jacob degrom on the mound. and as joe just indicated, hits you with two 102-mile-per-hour fastballs and follows up with a change-up, a 93-mile-an-hour slider. you have got to be thinking to yourself, you know, i think maybe that career as a high school history coach and history teacher and assistant baseball coach, i'm looking pretty good at that now. because i ain't going to make it

here. >> it's looking pretty good. and willie, you're right about the st. louis cardinals social media director. he puts the final score or she puts the final score up. whoever it is. and it's like, something like, mets, 7, cardinals, 1. so he's like, oh, now you give degrom run support. they're like, leave us alone. and somebody had to put up godzilla breathing fire all over the landscape and it was like, degrom facing minor league. it really was a -- i really did. i felt sorry for the kid. and at one point, our team that born in the 21st century. and really, that does say it all. >> learn to hit the fastball, says the guy sitting in his

mom's basement as degrom is throwing 102. like steph curry walking into a high school gym and saying, you mind if i play with you. so cool that you got to see him pitch last night. >> it really was, it was great. emilia was there and jack also was there. and what's so great is jack is 12 and he really -- he's really learning to love baseball and really following it and understanding it. certainly not at the barnicle level. none of us are that freakish. no rain man stuff here. but he's getting -- he really loves the game. and it was so great sitting with him last night and of course, emilia, who is such a huge baseball fan. and he understand that he was watching history. it was really -- it was a special night. of course, then we had to drive 15 hours back to our apartment at the top of 30 rock. >> and you always walk the stairs, too, just for exercise. it's a long haul. >> he's got to get his steps in. >> i've got to get the ticker going. especially if i'm going to be

raising my voice. it's good for the ticker. 57 stories. moving on, we're going to talk now about the uk where princes william and harry are pressing for higher standards in the news media following a bbc investigation that found that journalist martin bashir used, quote, deceitful behavior to secure a landmark interview with princess diana, princess of wales. more now from rhiannon mills of sky news. >> always so careful in his public statements about his mother, prince william wanted to face the camera as he condemned the bbc. >> it is my view that the deceitful way the interview was obtained substantially influenced what my mother said. the interview was a major contribution to making my parent's relationship worse and has since hurt countless others. it brings indescribable sadness to know that the bbc's failures

contributed significantly to her fear, paranoia, and isolation that i remember from those final years with her. but what saddens me most is that if the bbc had properly investigated the complaints and concerns first raised in 1995, my mother would have known that she'd been deceived. she was failed not just by a rogue reporter, but by leaders at the bbc, who looked the other way, rather than asking the tough questions. >> well, there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded. >> reporter: in 1995, diana went further than anyone would have expected. only now it's become clear how martin bashir faked documents to help secure that interview. in a written statement, prince harry was scathing. "the ripple effect of a culture of exploitation and unethical practices ultimately took her life. yet what deeply concerns me is

that practices like these and even worse are still widespread today. then and now, it's bigger than one outlet, one network, or one publication. our mother lost her life because of this. and nothing has changed." in his report, lord dyson described how bashir had faked bank statements to convince diana's brother, lord spencer, that she was being spied on and get a meeting with diana. the report found that bosses within the bbc covered up bashir's deceitful behavior and lies with an internal investigation that was woefully ineffective. >> there are multiple failures for the bbc to reflect on, 25 years ago, but still, they're very, very serious. and if you're an organization that cares about truthful, honest journalism, and proper practice, i think it's a very difficult read. >> reporter: both william and harry have spoken before about how princess diana was hounded

by the press and the impact on them of losing her when they were so young. but they've never spoken about what that interview meant for her in the final years of her life. >> your husband renewed his relationship with mrs. camilla parker-bowels. were you aware of that? >> yes, i was. but i wasn't in a position to do anything about it. >> reporter: even if diana had wanted to talk, her brother, lord spencer, has made it clear he would have never introduced her to bashir without the documents. a meeting that those closest to her stoked her sense of paranoia, damage that no report or apologies can ever repair. rhiannon mills, sky news. >> oh, my god. this is beyond comprehension. victoria d'francesco soto, despicable.

despicable on every level. >> there's just so much pain in every aspect of this. when we see the film footage of princess di, you see the pain that she is feeling. and remember, this was a time, the '80s and the '90s when the focus on mental health isn't what it is today. today, we look at this and go, how could this happen? you not do this. the media should not be complicit in this. and here we saw that it was intentionally so. and we fast forward to today, and you see the ripple effect of this pain in her children. and here i'm speaking again, as a mother. when i see her sons, even though they're now grown, the pain that they are feeling -- and also, the mental health tragedy that they have faced as a result of this, for someone's inaction for getting the story, getting the scoop, it sickens me, mika. >> that interview, which they

got, the bbc got through forging documents, did begin as william and harry said, did begin a ripple effect that led to nothing but tragedy. and, you know, we talk so often about the tabloid press in britain and how tough it is. and how horrific it is. and pretty much it seems like all is fair over there, but this was the bbc. this was a news organization paid for by taxpayers, who knew that one of the biggest interviews in their recent history was secured by forged documents. was secured by lying to the princess of wales.

and what did they do? they covered it up. it is astounding. >> and i mean, i just can't even believe the reporter being able to like look in the camera and look straight at her in the eye and continue this way. all based on deception. forcing her in a way to feel things that -- i -- i'm -- you know, i usually don't really enjoy covering the royals. i don't kind of get into it that much in terms of the pomp and circumstance of it all, i don't enjoy the story, but this is a real, like, issue about the media and practices that we've got to really pull apart and make sure that is the end of it. >> well, also, just on a human level, again, forged documents, which actually got the interview, put her in a position

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what a beautiful day. >> look at that! happy friday. it is 46 past the hour.

>> we could see that when we were driving by last night, willie, at must have been about 12:00 at night. >> driving through the night. >> we were driving through the night to get back to our apartment. >> so -- >> willie, what's your plans for the weekend, as we're looking at the object we fly past every time we go into washington, d.c. and i still don't know the name of. >> it's called a ferris wheel. >> the famous ferris wheel. >> why do they stick that thing up over there. i never really figured that out. washington, d.c., you're flying in, oh, nation's capitol. you've got the white house, you've got the capitol, you've got the jefferson memorial, you've got all that and then you've got this thing off the potomac. it's some ferris wheel. >> i think people have fun on it. >> i thought there was just a traveling carnival in town or something like that. i don't know what's going on there. >> no, no. >> what have you got planned this weekend? >> i've got a tv show on sundays

over there on nbc. you know that because on sundays you look out the windows and wave and it's great. and pancakes are coming out the window. we have michael douglas on the show. >> no way. >> in-person interview with michael douglas. talk about a career you want to sit down and walk through the with the man. what a great guy. >> i love that guy. >> absolutely willing to just sit and talk through all of it. "wall street," "fatal attraction," and now he's in "the kaminski method," a show that he calls kind of a late-career surprise for him where he won a golden globe, and the netflix series entering its final season. >> here's a scene from it, right there. you were in it actually. he takes out a gun and shoots you. >> no! >> oh, no. but you all had sunglasses. what a great actor he is. and he has been for such a long time. and even popped up in "the avengers" movies. very exciting.

>> it was about ten years ago, he had cancer, stage iv cancer and he fought through it and came back and was in "the candelabra" movie, and won an oscar, so he's had this late act and a comeback. it will be fun to talk to him on sunday. >> joining us now the co-founder of axios, mike allen. mike, happy friday. i will tell you now, joe, what happened with mike -- >> you stepped on his line. >> he's going to say it, but we need to go over what happened at the end of kasie's show, we're sitting there, and poor mike is hanging, because kasie's shot freezes, they come to me. i've got my contacts in the wrong eyes, i'm blind. and it was the most unbelievable friday morning launch of "morning joe." so we need to hear it more than ever than ever on this friday morning. good morning, mike!

>> mika, accept no substitutes! happy friday! >> we need it! mike, you're looking at big tech profits that are up, despite the backlash and all the criticism that we've been talking about here about disinformatio -- >> monopolies. >> everything. what's going on? >> that's right. remember three, four years ago, we talked about the tech lash, and the big tech companies, facebook, amazon, google, had finally, as hi mother would say, had goten too big for their britches. they were too powerful, too toxic. what's happened since then? instead, they are now richer, more powerful, and this is the big one, more determined than ever to have their products integrated in our lives. so what's happened since we started talking about the techlash. they've constantly come to capitol hill. mark zuckerberg alone six times up there.

usually saying i'll get back to you on that. let me connect with your staff on that. they've paid record fines. they've been sued by governments. they've annoyed both sides of the aisle. they've done something very few forces can do, and that is that both democrats and republicans are mad at them for different reasons and in popular culture, they get vilified. what are the results? profits are up. they have hoards of cash for acquisitions. and they are buying fiscal space in our big cities. helping prop up the office market. so the techlash, so far, a complete bust. the opposite, they're bigger, better off than ever. >> geez. >> and the profits are going -- yeah. i mean, you look at the profits just continue to skyrocket. that usually does happen with monopolies, victory ya. and they have basically crossed

a line into becoming monopolies. but it is interesting, alex was pointing out to me, it's interesting when josh hawley is talking about being censored, the way he fights that censorship from the big tech companies, he goes on his iphone and he tweets, hey, please buy my book on amazon. here's the link. >> so it's a monopoly in terms of the sheer economic and political clout, but i also think about it as a monopoly in terms of what it has done to -- almost any aspect of your life is linked to media, is linked to social media and technology. and we see this obviously a lot heavier of an influence among your young folks. and one thing i think a lot about, joe, in being in the education space, is how can we use this tech explosion for good? because over the last year of the pandemic, what we have seen

is poorer kids, especially black and brown kids, because of that digital -- all of this tech out there. but in terms of who has access to it, we're seeing our youth, our youth who don't have the resources fall farther and farther behind. so what are the f.a.a.n.g.s, what are the facebooks and amazons and googles going to do about this? or is this monopoly just going to exacerbate the digital divide, the educational divide, the economic and equality divide that we have now? those are the questions that i want to know. >> yeah. all right. thank you so much, victoria. we greatly appreciate it. mike allen, really quickly, is peace going to praek out in washington, d.c.? is there any hope of getting a bipartisan deal on infrastructure or is that moving furtheraway every minute.

>> it looks further and further away and this weekend on axios on hbo, i talk to the white house national climate adviser, gina mccarthy. we did a little carpool climate. she drove me around in a chevy volt. but i asked her about infrastructure and climate and the likelihood of getting republican votes. they're doing the same thing. they're listening. they are saying that they want republican votes, but, joe, at this moment, the administration, eyes wide open. they may do it with no republican votes. all democratic votes. and here's the key thing, they're perfectly willing to do that. >> all right, mike allen, thank you very much. have a great weekend. thanks for being on this morning. in a new interview with "new york times" columnist david brooks, president biden shares the motivation behind his legislative agenda and solidifying america's place as a world leader. biden reflects on his upbringing when america was undisputed --

the undisputed world leader, and how he now sees that rapidly slipping away by failing to research enough in research and investment. biden tells brooks, we're at a genuine inflection point in history and that america is facing a, quote, fourth industrial revolution, which encompasses developments ranging from the rise of information technology to the rise of the chinese superstate to shifts in the global competitive environment. he continues. we've gotten to a point where i think our economic competence has a gigantic impact on our international influence and capacity. but he warns, the risks is not trying to go big. if we stay small, i don't know how we change our international status and competitive capacity. joining us now, former treasury

official and "morning joe" economic specialist, steve rattner and tax professor of law at emory university, dorothy brown. steve, this morning, you're looking at the risk all of the big spending has on inflation. but first, i just want to ask you to assess the president's description of the challenges that we face. >> i don't have any disagreement at all about the challenges that we face, and particularly the way the president articulated them. we are in a fourth industrial revolution or whatever you want to call it. we're in a period of massive change, of enormous competition, particularly from china. we have fallen behind in our spending on things like research and development, from the public standpoint. we do need to get our workforce better trained for the jobs of tomorrow. all of that is very true.

he's proposed a number of things that would be helpful. but he's also proposed a lot of spending that would really not address these issues. stimulus checks and things may be a good idea, but they're not going to fundamentally restructure our economy. so there's some good, some bad inside of what the president proposed. so take us through your charts. and you're looking at, i think, the impact right now on the economy and the different pressures that we're facing. >> yeah. i'm very concerned that the size of these packages is creating a lot of inflationary pressure. the question is no longer whether we're going to have inflation. the question is how much inflation we're going to have and how long it's going to go on for, because we're having inflation right now. and i can show you some examples with everyday goods that people buy and the kinds of price increases that they're starting to see. so you have used cars that are up 21%. and i'm comparing this to pre-pandemic prices, so we try to isolate the pandemic itself. but you have cars, used cars up

21%. you have chicken up 7%. sports equipment up 5%. you have furniture up 4.5%. and even computers, which historically have gone down in price, because of technological improvements, actually going up a bit. these may not sound like huge increases for some of these products, but remember, the fed's target is 2% for inflation and you're seeing inflation much higher in a lot of other places. there's also clearly more inflation coming, because if you look further up the food chain to what we call producer prices or wholesale prices, the prices that people may, you can see on the left that the producer price index rose 6% last month, the highest, the most it's risen since 2011. so that's a reflection of increases in prices of things like corn and copper, which have doubled, iron ore, which has gone up two and a half times. lumber, very important for

housing up three times. so on and so forth and on the right, this is a survey of what people think, of what business thinks inflation is likely to be. and you can see it's sat very firmly at this 2% level for a long time, came down during the pandemic and has gone up to 2.8%. may not sound huge, but it's going the wrong direction and going the wrong direction quickly. and lastly, what is also going to push inflation up going forward is the fact that consumers have a lot of money to spend. during the pandemic, incomes were actually $900 billion above the long-term trend. most of that, much of the increase due to federal spending for the stimulus programs. all the way on the right, you can see those two spikes from the stimulus checks that went out in december and this spring. it's good to have money in consumers' pockets, but we have to be aware of inflationary

effects. there's about $1.1 trillion of what we call dry powder, money above the friend line in consumer's bank accounts, a total of $2 trillion. and as i'm sure you would agree, consumers are getting ready to go out and spend again, as the lockdown ends, as the vaccine takes effect, as the pandemic eases, you're going to see a lot of spending. and that's going to push prices up even further. so this is all a little bit scary. more than a little bit scary, to those of you particularly who lived through inflation in the '70s and it's something we should all be very concerned about. >> professor brown, interested in your take on those charts, but also on the bigger question of the amount of stimulus that's been pumped into the economy. we just heard a minute ago president biden talking to david brooks saying, this is the moment to go big. the huge covid relief package, now he's trying to get a $2.25 trillion bill through. republicans say it's too much. we don't need it at this point. the economy is coming back on its own. what's your read about where we

are in our economy and how big president biden really should go here? >> president biden should go really big. what the pandemic showed us is structural inequality in our labor market, in our service provision. so it's really important that we take stock of what we've just been through. there are millions of women who have left the workforce. why? because child care is a problem. we need to think about federal support for child care. so what the pandemic has shown us is this economy has never worked for all of us. and what president biden is trying to do is to make sure the economy does work for all of us and is inclusive. >> so, professor, let me ask you about inflation, following up on steve rattner. it's obviously a balancing act. and i'm curious how you balance it in your mind, when you look at the risks of inflation and

some signs that inflation is coming. and also, the very real reality that if chicken goes up 7% to most of the people that come on this show, it doesn't matter. they can afford that. but working class americans can't afford that. inflation actually and interest rates going up, that's a massive tax, actually, on the truly disadvantaged and working class americans. so how do we balance those two realities? >> first, i don't think economists agree where inflation will go and what the risk is. we have one economist who says they're really concerned. steve says he's really concerned. but there are other economists who would suggest that maybe they're not as concerned. so i don't think we have agreement in economists' world. but even if you take as a given inflation is going to come, what we need to deal with is the fact that we've lost 8 million jobs from the pre-pandemic level.

people want to work. there aren't jobs out there for them. so whether it's retraining, whether it's raising the minimum wage, whether it's making sure people bho work full-time can actually earn a living wage, i think all of those are important. so i don't think we should ignore inflation but i don't think economists agree that inflation is looming so far over our head that president biden should not go big. >> dorothy brown, thank you very much. steve rattner, thank you, as well. dorothy's latest book is "the whiteness of wealth: how the tax system impoverishes black americans and how we can fix it." it is a few minutes past the top of the hour. along with joe, willie and me, we have former u.s. senator, now an msnbc news political analyst, claire mccaskill joins us. nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of "way too early," kasie hunt is here.

hi, kasie. and donny deutsch is with us, as well. he's the host of the new podcast, "on brand with donny deutsch." good to have you, donny. and kurt bardella, an adviser to the dccc. >> claire, i was talking last hour and of course doing it in a very quiet, nuanced, subtle way. because that's who i am. >> no. it was great. it's what we're all thinking. >> you know, i believe, light touch. sometimes i get angry. i really do. sometimes i get really angry. i love this country. i believe in american exceptionalism. i'm sorry if people don't. that's their problem, not mine. i've talked to so many immigrants through the years that have come to this country and absolutely love it. they believe in american exceptionalism. if you tell them america's streets aren't paved with gold, they will say, really, well, you should see where i came from.

if it's not gold, it's pretty close. and i am just struck, because i know you will remember like i remember back in the early 1960s and 1970s when there were people always protesting and burning the america flag. there were other flags that would go up and say, america, love it or leave it. well, how fascinating that some of the very people that had those flags at their house or put those bumper stickers on their car are the very people who are saying, oh, the capitol wasn't stormed on january the 6th. they're saying, oh, america's voting system is rigged, you can't trust madisonian democracy, oh, the judges are on the take, the fbi is on the take, everybody is on the take. they talk like they hate america. they talk as if this country is no better than belarus. they vote for a man who calls for the arrest of his political opponent two weeks before and demanding that his attorney general would act like vladimir putin would act or act like a

leader in belarus would act, throwing his opponents in jail. and these are the people who are still six months later, still saying, you can't trust american democracy. despite the fact, trump's own cyber people say, this was the safest election ever held. this was the most secure election ever held. despite the fact that trump's judges he appointed said, there's no widespread voter fraud. and yet these people keep perpetuating a lie that vladimir putin loves, that she loves, that our enemies in iran love, that america's democracy is worthless and it's rigged and you can't trust american democracy. the irony really makes me so angry that these people -- i feel like if they hate america that much and don't trust america that much and if madisonian democracy only works if their side win, they should

probably leave it. there are a lot of immigrants who want to come to this country who still believe in the american dream and don't believe in american carnage and don't believe like donald trump said that the american dream is dead. it's not dead, it's alive. they just don't believe it when their guy loses. >> if somebody would have told me that i would be on "morning joe" at this point in history quoting liz cheney, i would say, i don't think that's going to happen. but it is. and what she said over and over again is this is a war against our constitution they are waging. they are waging a war against the constitution that says our court system makes decisions about the laws and the facts and whether or not things are actionable under our laws and the courts were unanimous in their decisions that this, in fact, is the big lie.

and i'll tell you what can get me going. i will not -- i will not do a joe here, but i will come close. we need to quit calling this a freaking audit in arizona. it's not an audit. i spent eight years as a government auditor. there are standards for a government auditor. they are called the yellow book standards. there are certain transparencies that are required. this isn't an audit. this is a conspiracy party this this is just a little get-together, let's see if we can play to the right wing cable news channels. let's see if we can make the other guy sitting down playing golf at mar-a-lago happy. the on seekousness of this party to donald trump is astounding.

when ron johnson said, this wasn't an insurrection. we will never forget the pictures. our enemies will never forget the pictures. putin won't forget them. north korea won't forget them. china won't forget them. in fact, china brings them up in contact with the united states now about all of our problems with human rights and mob rule and so it is really an issue of a war against the constitution. and i'm with you, joe. if you don't believe in our constitution, go find a country whose constitution you do like. >> and don't they understand that they are weakening this country internationally, step by step, by step. if it's not an audit, clair, what would you call it? because i'm about to go into it and explain to folks what went down yesterday? >> i would say a political exercise being conducted by partisans in arizona. >> the tactics used in the political exercise of arizona's maricopa county's 2020 election

results by a company called cyber ninjas, which has no experience in election audits, includes using microscopes and uv lights to examine ballots for nonexistent water marks and bamboo fibers. i can't believe i just said that. and now "the washington post" reports that in michigan, new hampshire, and even california there have been calls for similar efforts. reading from "the post," quote, in e-mails, phone calls, and public meetings, trump supporters are questioning how their elections are administered and pressing public officials to revisit the vote count. in one california county, there were hours of calls about the machines used in the 2020 election. here's a bit of that. >> from the evidence that i've seen, i believe this machine was used to alter the vote counting in this county and we need an

independent forensic audit to verify its accuracy. tommy gong is using every excuse available to prevent an audit, giving his assurance that the count was 100% accurate. a similar machine was audited in antrim county, michigan, and found to have so many problems that the auditor declared that the election should never have been certified. >> why isn't he concerned? in michigan, the judge ordered the forensic audit of the dominion machines to be made public. the audit proved that dominion machines are designed to be manipulated. modem chips are embedded in the computer motherboard. in wyndham, new hampshire, an audit showed their dominion machines were all preset through the usb sticks. >> i have lost confidence in our election process, partly due to the voting machines. we want tommy gong to remove

them and also have them audited. if not, we need to have tommy gong removed. >> is tommy gong in any way in relationship to the chinese communist party? >> so this is tommy gong, whom you heard mentioned several times. he's the county's top election official. he's worked in the county clerk's office for 15 years and is a third generation american. those callers also talked extensively about dominion, which got so much attention by trump and his loyalists for claiming they changed votes, something the company is fighting vigorously against with numerous lawsuits. and dominion is also at the center of a fight in antrim county, michigan, a county trump won by 61%, but human error on election night had biden in the lead briefly. a recount was done, approving

that had nothing to do with the actual voting machines. but that hasn't stopped others from trying to get recounts in michigan, citing what happened in antrim. kurt bardella, we mean, this just continues. >> the lies continues. >> yeah, i -- there's so much to unpack there, but obviously, the thing that just hit me was that last caller questioning tommy gong's, you know, fidelity to our country, because his last name is "gong." i mean, this is the type of crap that we have to deal with in this world, this donald trump world, who has used every tool at his disposal to spread racism and hatred towards asian americans. you know, if this person's name wasn't tommy gong, i don't think we would have heard that name so much on so many of those calls. just the way that they're talking about this, trying to insinuate that there's a there

there from a third generation american citizen is just so ridiculous and tells you the frame of mind of these unstable, deranged, democratic arsonists who want to believe and are looking for these conspiracies that they latch on to and what gets me is, this is dangerous. we have seen from january 6th that these aren't just innocent words or threads that stay at the far corners. that people actually act on this. they believe it. when the leaders who are elected to office continue to fuel this and give these things legitimacy, they are sending the signal to these deranged people that you're right. that there's a there there. that it's acceptable that you think this way and express yourself and ultimately that expression escalates to violence. we're seeing every day microaggressions throughout the

country. yesterday, i was driving up the street at a stoplight, someone stops right next to me with starts hurling things at me, threatens to beat me up and it's just because of the way i look. and i have to think, i have to live in a country right now where i have to think, do i confront this person, do i respond, do i take my phone out, or are they armed with a gun and they're going to shoot me? that's the stuff that people like me right now have to carry with them in every encounter. and it's been fueled and fed and encouraged by donald trump and the republican party and i'm just so, so sick of it. and all the while, they're trying to undermine our entire democratic process and system. it's not just that they're going to come for people that come like me, they're going to come for us all. >> it is so sad and tragic and we're so sorry about that.

and willie, kurt is exactly right. there, of course, is the racism, and at the same time, there's a continued undermining of democracy. there's a reason all of this continues. it's because of one person. like i said, it's the whole torts theory, the but, for test when it comes to accidents, but for a certain car, if you remove that car, would the accident have happened? and if it had not had happened, then the person who did that was negligent here. donald trump is still lying every day, sending out messages that like maricopa's voting roles were wiped out. there's just one crazy lie after another. it doesn't mean anything to him, he just sends it out. and there are people who will blindly follow the conspiracy theories and the lies. and when he talks about american carnage and they should hate their country, and they hate their country. and they have so little confidence in america, they

start repeating, the american dream is dead. it is sad and pathetic that they would let a failed reality tv host warp their view of this great country. >> first of all, i'm so sorry that kurt and people like kurt have to look over their shoulder when they're driving down the street. it's outrageous. it's happening too often, attacks on the asian american community. joe, you're right, it comes from the top and it's given credence from the top. the example you cited, donald trump tweets out, the election roll were deleted in maricopa county. he just recently tweets that out. so it's worth asking why a group of conspiracy theories can get their hands on it and have access to our voting equipment, to america's voting equipment. they can do it by the arizona state senate approved it and they said they wanted this. but in a meeting, the elections board of maricopa county were

confronted with this idea from the conspiracy theorists who said the rolls had been deleted. and they said, no, you're actually just looking in the wrong place. here they are. so the conspiracy theory group, the cyber ninjas came out and said, we recovered the deleted files. no, you didn't recover deleted files, you dopes were looking in the wrong place. they were there all the while. and cas kasie hunt, it's not ju donald trump, it's his followers and minions in the body you cover every day, the congress. they have gone along for the ride. elise stefanick, the new gop leader, who took liz cheney's job, has continued to say, there are irregularities in the voting. there are problems in 2020 that have to be looked into. again, vague, but giving cover to people like the cyber ninjas to go in skmanld or election equipment and look for bamboo. the bamboo crew looking for signs of china in our ballots in this country. >> willie, the republicans to

what joe was saying earlier in the show you'd to be very proud of waving the american flag and talking about american exceptionalism. and the thing that has always made america exceptional is the system that we use to choose our leaders. the fact that we have a peaceful transfer of power along history of that. and that we provide freedoms and uphold a system that allows people to live under a rule of law that they get to have a say in writing and that's all gone by the wayside in the face of donald trump. and there are fewer and fewer republicans who are willing to stand up even in the wake of insurrection. you have senator ron johnson yesterday tweeting about how, yeah, there are tens of thousands of peaceful people. he didn't see much violence at the capitol. maybe 800 people breached the walls, but they were mostly fine.

it's continuing in this insidious way. and if you listen to what liz cheney is saying, and she is one of the few out there saying, we cannot do this. she's saying it because of the fact that it is ongoing, that these things, these lies are continuing to be spread and there are no leaders standing up and saying, this is wrong. it makes it so people who are absorbing this information, they only trust former president trump. and what they're hearing on facebook and on their social media feeds from their friends. that is another critical piece of this problem that i think we absolutely have to talk about. trust in the media is at an all-time low. fine, if people aren't going to get their information from the media, their going to go elsewhere. they'll get it on facebook. facebook spent most of the 2020 election basically saying, there's nothing we can do about this. our hands are tied. we're not content moderators.

but shortly after the election, they announced in other countries they were going to run a pilot program to turn down political content, tweak their algorithms so people saw more stories from their neighbors, which shows you that they can do something about them. but people click on these unbelievable and outrageous stories and they share them and it helps facebook's bottom line. so we have so much work to do. >> the thing is, the media has screwed up time and time again. you take a look at the mistakes that people in the media make, that we make, we're human, day in, day out. and then you get a conspiracy theories from one of these conspiracy sites that list the 25 reasons the election was

fake. there's so many lies, so much distortion, so much anti-american diatribe in there, it's just laughable. so you're saying, wait a minute, "the new york times," you're saying they screwed up something in the third paragraph or listened to somebody from the cia that they shouldn't have listened to or did this or did that. so they're trying to follow the story and sometimes they screw up, sometimes we screw up and so their answer is, oh, we're not going to look at "the wall street journal," run by rupert murdoch. we're not going to look at the "financial times," we're not going to look at "the washington post," we're not going to look at any newspaper. we're going to go to conspiracy websites out of china. or we're going to go to conspiracy websites out of third world countries. we'll go to third world websites that depend on qanon conspiracy. that's where we'll get our information mow. sorry, it doesn't work that way. you're just mining as deep down in the sludge as you can to find somebody that reinforces your pre-existing prejudices. you'll go anywhere, you'll go to any alley, you'll go to any

slum. you will go to any sewer on the internet to get that information that reinforces the lie that you want to believe and repeat and then send to somebody else. you don't want to know the truth and that's what's so shocking. you don't want to know reality when it doesn't line up with your pre-existing prejudices. and we have come -- this is a new point in american history. where now 75 million americans or maybe it's 50 million americans now would rather same the same thing that vladimir putin says, that american democracy can't be trusted, than admit their guy lost an election when we were growing up in school, i'm sure most of us read what separated america from

other countries was during that peaceful transition of power, after millions of people had silently gone into the ballot box and in the safety and security of that voting booth had cast a secret blot for who they wanted to vote for for president of the united states, something miraculous happened. the votes would be counted and a process would begin. and it will be a peaceful transition of power and we would see on january 20th, every four years, a new administration, democratic or republican, coming into power with no tanks in the streets with no guards along the route holding machine guns or having to beat back crowds. it was america. the guards would be there, actually, only because there are

so many people cheering in the stands with american flags to cheer on the new president, republican or democrat. that's how it's been in this country since the civil war. but not now, because you don't like the fact that your guy, a reality tv show host lost. so donny deutsch, in my neighborhood, a lot of those bumper stickers, america, love it or leave it. and a lot of those people are people who now, or their parents, who actually voted for and believe in a reality tv host who got to where he got by saying the american dream is dead. i don't hear immigrants saying that. in fact, if you escaped castro's cuba, you don't believe the american dream is dead. you think this is a pretty d damned incredible place.

if you escaped china, got out of russia, if you were a jew that escaped the soviet union because of ronald reagan, you understand how great the united states of america is. you get that. but these people voted for a guy who said, the american dream is dead. that was like in his book, in 2016. that was his pitch. and when he became president, he talked about american carnage. and kept running down the united states of america and now here we are, because he lost and he's saying, you can't trust madisonian democracy, you can't trust this country that our founders set up. you know who they sound like? they sound like vladimir putin. they're always saying, you can't trust american democracy. it's all rigged! that's what our enemies are

saying in china, in communist china. they're repeating the lie. that our enemies have been saying for years. that the soviet propaganda has been saying forever. they're repeating that lie and spreading that lie, and i want to know, if they hate america so much, why don't they just leave? >> joe, what they're missing, what they're forgetting -- forget about the repulsiveness of it and forget about right and wrong, they're missing the price of chicken. you talked about the price of chicken before. and that's what people care about. this lie, the whole thing is such an absolute losing proposition. yes, two-thirds of people don't think joe biden won in the republican party, but other people do. people care about their shopping, about their health care. and the republicans are offering

nothing. you know, this is where i keep coming back to. forget about the party of amorality. it's the party of dumb. you're not offering anything. so, joe, i share your passion and get out of this country if you don't like it, but as a democrat, as somebody who's rooting for the biden team, you're just going to lose. there's nothing there. people aren't stupid. the american consumer is not an idiot. some people are. and 50 million people, that's a small minority in this country. so you want to keep talking this way, you want to keep going down this path, knock yourselves out. because you are offering nothing. people don't want to hear -- voters don't want to hear about voting machines, they want to hear about themselves and voters. and that is the stupidity, the absolutely, absolutely stupidity -- so follow the big lie. knock yourselves out. keep doing it. god bless. and we'll see the democrats actually even in the midterms defy history and hold on to

congress. so keep doing it, knock yourselves out. fox news, keep putting up banners that say -- they literally had a banner up last week that said, race replacement theory is most important issue, more than economics for republicans. they had a banner that said that. knock yourselves out. god bless. democrats will stay in power. i don't give a crap what the hell you keep saying. >> well, the only problem, claire, really quickly, we've got to go to break, alex told me we have to go to break. the only problem with that is you have voting machines now that have been taken out of the custody of election officials and are now in the hands of conspiracy theorists. and what has started because of donald trump's lies, because of the big lie, what started in arizona is likely to spread, actually, to other states. and it is dangerous. >> yeah, this -- the effort that's being made in arizona through this company that believes in the big lie, that

are conspiracy theorists themselves. anything that they've had the ability to tamper with has to go in the trash bin. they cannot put those machines back in operation. they're going to have to spend the money to get machines that have not been tampered with by somebody who believes in the big lie and clearly is showing that they are not an independent in any way. that's going to have to happen. taxpayers will have to foot the bill. and hopefully the election authorities out in arizona and the governor out there, who stood up for the election process will make sure that that does happen. >> all right. claire, donny deutsch, thank you so much. we'll be downloading your new podcast "on brand with donny deutsch" and kurt bardella, thank you, as well. kurt's new opinion piece for "usa today" is entitled, "america deserves the facts about the capitol attack, whether republicans like it or

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welcome back to "morning joe." many americans who already are vaccinated against the coronavirus may start receiving booster shots as soon as this fall. that is according to the ceos of both pfizer and moderna, who told axios yesterday people who are at highest risk from covid, like health care workers and the elderly could require a third shot in september. but dr. anthony fauci says that is not necessarily the case.

>> there's been a lot of talk and i think maybe some misrepresentation that we absolutely will need booster shots at this time. we don't know. we don't know what the durability of protection is. we're following it very closely. we may, at some time, have to get a booster shot. but we don't know when that is. whether that's a year or more than a year. so i think we just better be prepared for it. and that was the point that i was trying to make. is that we need to be prepared by doing tests to determine the level at which you reach when you give that extra third boost of a two-boost -- of a two-shot regimen. but again, we don't know when that will be. >> i've seen some of the headlines today that the moderna and pfizer ceos have said that we're going to get potentially a booster as early as september. and they didn't provide any data. and i, myself, and my colleagues in public health looked at that and said, why are they putting that out there?

i say this, brian, because this is just fodder for the anti-vaxers, for the few people out there that are putting bad information out in the ether. so i would encourage them, publish the evidence. if that is, indeed, the case. if the evidence is suggesting that is the case, provide it so our government can actually plan ahead. right now they're just putting it out there in the ether and right now the evidence that exists suggests we may not be a booster. >> our friend, dr. vin gupta who has been treating covid patients from the beginning of this pandemic speaking last night with brian williams. as for the push to get people their first doses, more states now offering incentives for residents to get their shots. maryland governor larry hgan launching a $2 million lottery for vaccinateded residents of the state. the cash prize will be divided into dozens of $40,000 rewards along with a grand prize of $400,000. new york governor andrew cuomo announced he's launching a vax and scratch pilot program next

week. vaccinated residents will be able to play for a cash prize of up to $5 million. ohio was the first state to offer a lottery as an incentive for vaccinations. state officials now say vaccine rates there have jumped 28% in the days following the lottery announcement. turns out, mika, money talks. >> yes, it does! and school districts nationwide are helping students ages 12 and up get vaccinated as part of the push to have all students back in the classroom this fall. >> beginning this week here in contra costa county, high school and middle school campuses will be hosting vaccination clinics, starting tuesday here at concord high school and at antioch middle school, shots will be available. >> surrounded by track practice, seattle firefighters on radar field gave students the covid-19 vaccine. it's one of is six clinics on monday that took place throughout seattle public schools. >> we saw kids and their parents

lining up. the line stretching outside of the door of the gym for the vaccination event here at carver middle school. now, lake county schools is hosting vaccination events at four different schools in the district this week. >> a similar effort in dallas, where students old enough to get the shot and who have their parent's permission were bused from their school campus to a dallas county health department vaccine hub. >> so far, 600,000 of the 17 million eligible children have received their first shot. joining us now, u.s. secretary of education, miguel cardona. mr. secretary, thank you for being on this morning. i see that the race is on to get students vaxed. what are the other considerations to open up schools completely? >> well, vaccinations are a big part of this. we know that over 600,000 students, ages 12 to 15 already got their vaccines, so the appetite is there. but also ensuring that we have

the support for the students when they come back, in terms of making sure the social and emotional well-being of students is being cared for. making sure that ventilation is adequate in the schools. making sure that there's a cleaning happening. i really feel confident that we can get all students back in, five days a week, in person, in the fall. >> i want to ask you more specifically about social and emotional well-being and what's being put in place for these kids who have been in isolation for a year. and also, do you -- do you expect there to be a large dropout rate, especially in high school? >> the social and emotional well-being of our students needs to be at the forefront of our minds. many of our students have been in front of a computer for the last year in terms of how they're accessing learning. but i think more importantly, many of our students have experienced trauma in term of

loss of life with people that they know or loss of employment. many things have changed. and we have to be prepared to meet them where they are. so the american rescue plan funds are being used to get additional staff, social and emotional staff, social workers, school counselors. also, engaging our families. so when you ask about dropout our disengagement, we have to double down on our efforts to reengage families that we might have lost touch with. that means we're knocking on doors, connect families and activities where they feel welcome, ensuring that we're utilizing these summer months to reengage our students, especially our high schoolers in ways that can get them back on track for graduation and thinking about themselves as a future college students, as well. >> all right. and are you expecting a large number of dropouts? what are you hearing from the field? >> i am hearing that we, in our high school, we are seeing some

students that are not as engaged. and over time, they've disengaged more. but i'm also hearing great examples of efforts to get those students back. i know in reserve, either bringing our high school students in over the summer to assist with our elementary age students by tutoring while getting high school credits. and the community service hours. so, our districts, our states are working really hard to reengage the students that we lost. we also know that hybrid contributes to the disengagement. so we're really pushing for all students to be open full-time every day in the fall. >> secretary cardona, it's willie geist. good to have you on this morning. do you think schools should require children to have the covid vaccine before they return? as you know well, schools require all kinds of vaccines to initiate a new school year. you know, mmr, polio, hepatitis "b," all the things that have become part of childhood. do you think schools ought to require the vaccine so we know they're safe to open?

>> i'll leave the medical questions to dr. fauci and dr. walensky and their amazing team. what i do know is when students do take advantage of the vaccine, schools are safer and communities are safer. and as you saw in the first week, more than 600,000 students ages 12 to 15 went. i'm excited, tomorrow, i bring my daughter to get her first shot and my son already has his. so our students deserve an opportunity to get back to how things were before the pandemic in terms of socialization and the vaccines are really going to help us get there. >> totally agree. my 13-year-old daughter got her first shot this week. and i know every case is different, but she went right back to school after the shot, went to school the next day and was feeling okay. we were happy about that. i know you're not a doctor, but there are obviously there are parents who say, i'm going to get my kid the vaccine, but i'm a little worried about sending my did into a school where i don't know who else has it and

who doesn't. so would you recommend that the students get the vaccine before returning to school? >> absolutely. absolutely. not only do i recommend it, i encourage it. but it's critically important to remember, too, that we've been able to successfully reopen schools from the beginning of this school year because of the mitigation strategies that the cdc has recommended. so for those parents who are hesitant, you can still send your children to school. we just have to make sure we're continuing to follow those mitigation strategies that have proven to work. not only do i recommend the vaccination for children, i strongly encourage that it's approved. >> mr. secretary, i am curious about what you are helping districts with, as it relates to the kids that really did drop out for the year. my son is a public high school teacher and he has told me that he has so many students that just took a walk. and unfortunately, they were not

in a family situation where the families were holding them accountable in terms of their distance learning. what are we going to do with these kids? how will we integrate them back into their grade level when clearly they have lost a year of learning, because they just did not participate? >> right. well, first of all, thank you to your son for his service. this is the challenge that we have now in front of us as educators and leaders across the country. the american rescue plan provide $130 billion for states to make sure that they're prioritizing strategies on those who were impacted most by the pandemic. and that includes students who are now disengaged because of life circumstances. we also have millions of homeless youth. as we said earlier, home visitation, connection with

parents in ways we haven't done it again. it's our opportunity to reimagine what that means and engage them in learning that they want to be a part of. again, better course offerings, closer connections, if we used the american rescue plan to get additional staff whose job it is to reconnect students and connect families, i have a -- i feel confident we're going to get back in. to programming that was better than it was in march of 2020. >> education secretary, miguel cardona, thank you very much for being on the show this morning for this update. and coming up, a class of a different sort. the rock 'n' roll hall of fame class of 2021. we'll speak to the head of the hall on the music icons who made the cut this year and those who didn't. we're back in two minutes. o didn't we're back in two minutes.

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ceo of the rock 'n' roll hall of fame foundation, joel parisman. also here, the host and the executive producer of showtime's "the circus" and host of the "hell and high water" podcast from the recount, john heilemann. >> so joel 2021 class of inductees. . >> well, thanks for having me again, joe. i'm sure this is the voting and nominating you would rather be talking about. this is one of the most diverse classes we have had. go gos, few fighters, jay-z, todd lungren. ll cool j, billy preston and randy rhoads. one of the leaders in the music

business. and early influence, hall of fame institutions inducted charlie hatton, craft work and gill scott herron, all incredibly important in the history of this genre. >> so john heilman, just a great list. personal reasons, we're so excited about carole king, a good friend of the show. i remember the go gos, all-female group seemed pretty radical. jay-z. so much power and influence. there's always one or two that don't make it. i'm hoping in the future we will get there. the new york dolls and of course rage. two incredibly important groups. i've got no objections to this

list. >> yeah. be neither, joe. a lot of them were on my ballot. todd rundgren had been on the hall of fame ballot in the past. hasively influential. made so many great records in his career. they said he didn't get in last year, the year before that. here he is. he's in the class. u.s. dolls, they're huge. i think rage against machine is inevitable inductee. joel will confirm this. i think this is rage's first year on the ballot, maybe second year on the ballot.

. >> second year. >> again, we have a smart nominating committee and smart group of voters. and new york dolls was the first time they were on the ballot. we will see what comes up next year. >> joel, three first-time made it. go gos, jay-z and the few fighters. >> the foo fighters have been consistently great since they first came out. amazing musicians. they have consistently made great music since their first round. . >> yeah. well, look, here's two groups

there t. both jay-z and foo fighters were such mortal locks this year that -- because i'm a strategic voter. i try to district my votes to some of the acts on the bubble. we will need the vote more. they deserve to be in the hall. i was sure they were going to get in. i didn't vote for them for that reason alone. go gos did get my vote. i have to say first female group that wrote all of its own songs, produced all of its own songs and played all their own songs. they were sort of an l.a. punk band before they became a huge top 40 band. i'm so excited they got in. i believe this is the first time on the ballot. there was a lot of echo in the world where people are like get

the go gos in. exciting to see. . >> hold on, joel. we have a delay here. great to see the go gos here. also, in the early influence award category, i remember first hearing craft work in the mid-70s and i'm like, dude, what planet are these guys on? so much we came to know about music. not just rock, but popular music across so many different genres. came from bands like craft work in the mid-70s. they were trail blazers. >> definitely. where did electronic bands come from, like depeche mode. really incredible. we in skwrubgted charlie hatton,

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we're going to begin right now with the news. a cease-fire is under way between israel and hamas after 11 days of fighting with

mediating from egypt. the violence had killed at least 230 palestinians and 12 israelis since last monday. both sides claimed victory in the conflict. a warning that attacks could resume if the other side fails to comply with the cease-fire. president biden pledged support for both israel and tpwauz. . >> i believe the palestinians and israelis equally deserve to live safely and securely and to enjoy equal measures of freedom, prosperity, and democracy. my administration will continue our quiet and relentless diplomacy towards that end. i believe we have a genuine opportunity to make progress, and i'm committed to working for it. . >> secretary of state antony blinken is expected to visit the middle east in the coming days. so it's still ongoing in terms

of the struggle here. in a statement the state department writes in part that blinken will meet with leaders to, quote, discuss recovery efforts and working together to build better futures for israelis and palestinians. no exact date has been given for this. kelly cobiella is reporting for us and from outside the white house, nbc news monica alaba. kelly, let me begin with you. we have to insert the word "fragile" when we talk about a cease-fire like this. how did this come about and how fragile is it? >> reporter: well, we began to hear about this, willie, 10:00 local time last night. there was talk that a cease-fire was going to be in place as of 2:00 a.m. at the time there was still air raid sirens in the border towns in israel, rocket fire from

hamas into israel. at least one air strike from the israelis into tpauz. buff at 2:00 a.m. local time, silence here. the hostilities did in fact, stop. the cease-fire began. gaza has been absolutely pummeled, bombarded by israeli air strikes the last 11 days. the idf saying they were targeting hamas infrastructure, tunnels, headquarters, buildings, homes of hamas leaders. but as we have seen, many, many civilians affected by this. there's some 58,000 seeking shelter in you know schools over the past several days. homes destroyed, families destroyed. more than 200 people killed in gaza. here in israel, a much more somber reaction, i guess, to the

cease-fire. it's now midday here in israel. you can hear friday prayers at the mosque just below us here. people are at the beach. there are sale boats out on the water. traffic is resuming. but it is far from normal. we spoke to people on both sides of this issue. we went to a town called lod or lid in arabic. with he spoke to a jewish mother of seven and palestinian father of two. both greeted the news of a cease-fire with a shoulder shrug and a lot of skepticism. both said, look, the underlying problems are still there. and on top of that -- and keep in mind, these are people who have lived side by side in a mixed neighborhood in relative peace over the past several years. and that peace has only been sort of broken in the last couple of days when there was

quite a bit of violence in lod. people say, look, if the underlying problem isn't fixed, this is a band-aid. we will have a conflict again. and i think that goes without saying, guys. >> all right. kelly cobiella, thank you very much, live from tel aviv. joe. >> monica, i thought it was interesting yesterday as the israelis were announcing this that they offered thanks to egypt and to sisi but did not offer thanks to joe biden or the united states. >> reporter: absolutely, joe. that was intentional on the part of the u.s. to let the egyptians lead. this was described as a quiet, intensive diplomacy on behalf of the americans that shifted just a couple of days ago to dropping

the quiet part and making it intensive diplomacy. the discussions behind the scenes to pull back the curtain a little bit at the white house, there were 80 calls between members of the administration and their counterparts in the last week and a half. six were from the president to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and their first conversation they had with al sisi took place yesterday. and i can tell you senior administration official does believe there's optimism that the cease-fire will hold but acknowledged it's a very fragile piece. they took this as lessons learned from 2014 when president joe biden was then vice president to former president obama. that conflicted lasted 51 days and taught them and showed them, according to senior administration officials, they didn't want to see a repeat of

that. behind the scenes i'm told that was conveyed to the israelis. this was not something they were comfortable lasting in this pro tracted man. the u.s. hasn't announced a nominee to be the ambassador to israel yet. we expect the president to do that in the coming weeks. then you will see secretary of state antony blinken head to the region very soon as well. this is far from over. this is a president who was very careful in how he wanted this delicate dance to go diplomatically. and the strategy they set out at the beginning did seem to be the one they stuck out to and a lot of criticism and divide within their own democratic party. joe and mika. >> greatly appreciate it. mike barnicle to you, very interesting. there was thanks to al sisi, the

egyptian leader. it seems to me in the future any chance of bringing resolution to this conflict may actually go through egypt, even to the point where at some point egypt actually helps with the security forces on the gaza strip because they're right there. they're an intermediary that actually seems to work in this case. >> reporter: you know, what's interesting about this, and monica's report was right-on, according to everything i've heard, joe, is the phrase the president used yesterday, quiet, relentless pressure. this president has been around for a long while. he and netanyahu have a relationship that has spanned four decades. not a close relationship but a realistic relationship. both men know each other. the gaza strip, 25 miles long, three to five miles wide, 2 million palestinians living there. the average age is 19. joe biden knows all of this when

he comes to the table. his intent the past several days with the multiple phone calls was to resolve the situation as quickly as possible. is netanyahu trying to cling to power with this show of force and incredible violence the last 11 or 12 days in gaza? we don't know that. but the president of the united states is not an amateur. he is a professional. he is his own secretary of state in a sense. apparently within the next couple of weeks, tom nides, former deputy secretary of state under hillary clinton, well versed in the region. and the intent -- the idea, and we will find out from people more expert in this situation than i am, is the two-state concept. is that dead now, or does it rekindle or what happens after this incredibly ferocious 11 or

12-day war? . >> yeah. i'll tell you one thing that happens, mika, in israel that a lot of us in america don't understand because we usually get to these conflicts in the news after they have begun and after the first buildings have been hit. but one of the realities that netanyahu has faced all along is these cease-fires are incredibly unpopular in israel. they are the ones that see the 3,000, 4,000 rockets that are coming in. they put pressure on politicians to finish off hamas, to finish off the rocket -- just like i'm sure we would in the united states as well. but the a.p. reporting this morning that netanyahu is facing a fierce backlash from right-wing israelis from halting too soon. something to put in perspective about how we look at it and how the israeli people look at it, the people on the other side of

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election, democrat katie hobbs is advising maricopa county they should replace millions of dollars worth of election machines. in a letter hobbs wrote they were handed over to the senate and the florida-paved company cyber ninjas. it is unclear what procedures were in place or followed to ensure physical security and proper chain of custody. she warns that the lack of physical security and proper chain of custody we cannot be certain who assessed the voting equipment and what might have been done to them. she also pointed out no election official or observer was allowed to remain with the machines while cyber ninjas -- >> this is outrageous. it has come under intense

scrutiny because it used a company that had a ceo that actually endorsed all of these false claims that the election was stolen. and, willie, now that these machines have been placed into a conspiracy theorist's hand and a guy who was a grister and has been a grister, it would be irresponsible and reckless for maricopa county to do anything else but get completely new machines. this grift will cost millions of dollars in elections to come because they haven't had custody of these machines. they weren't allowed to stay within sight of these machines. so there's not a responsible election official, supervisor of elections that would say, oh, yeah, i'm going to let you take

my machines that always stay locked up. just take them out and play with them, to your conspiracy theories. we'll just run 2022 like that never happened. no, it doesn't work that way. this is outrageous. other states are now talking about following this conspiracy theory path. and somebody, somebody in the republican party that actually gives a damn about american democrat say needs to step up and stop the audits that donald trump's own officials said this was the most secure election in american history. if nonsense continues like this in 2022, you can guarantee 2022 will be the least secure in quite some time if we are allowing conspiracy theorists to get a hold of election machines wut any officials being able to

look and make sure they don't doctor them. . >> let's underline what's going on here. six months after votes were cast, you have this group called cyber ninjas, which has no experience working in elections, led by a pro-trump guy who spread conspiracy theories. these are the people who with a straight face said they were looking for traces of bamboo because they believe they were shipped in from china to be used in favor of joe biden. they are looking to overturn the election and flip the state pack to trump six months after the election. victoria, good morning. i would ask how this could happen. the answer is pretty plain. the republican-rolled senate, elected officials in arizona, said we want this to happen.

we want cyber ninjas to look into this and flip the election back to donald trump. >> willie, i'm so troubled about this on so many different levels, right? the election was not won by joe biden, that in and of itself worries me just in terms of sheer theory and the system we have had in place over 200 years. so there's that piece. you are likely to see it copy catted in other states. god forbid, we will likely see this repeated in other states that were on that bubble. the final piece is in terms of running elections and in the

costs. this isn't just like making noise and pushing back. this is millions of dollars in taxpayer money. we have a state, arizona, that has been at the bottom in terms of public spending on education and being a red state for so many years. . my final, final point here. national security. when we start playing with election machines like this, it is not just hurting us from the points i mentioned but we are opening ourselves up from influence from russia, china, from who knows who else in affecting our american democracy. coming up, a chilly story from the uk with implications for the media here at home. we'll run through it all here next on "morning joe". "morning .

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about that big story out of the uk where princes william and harry are pressing for higher standards in the news media. following a bbc investigation that found that journalist martin bashir used, quote, deceitful behavior to secure a landmark interview with princess diana, princess of wales. more from rihanna mills of sky news. >> reporter: always so careful in his public statements about his mother, prince william wanted to face the camera as he condemned the bbc. in it is my view that the deceitful way the interview was obtained substantially influenced what my mother said. the interview was a major contribution to make my parents's relationship worse and has since hurt countless others. it brings in describable sadness to know that the bbc's failures contributed significantly to her fear, paranoia and isolation

that i remember from those final years with her. but what saddens me most is if the bbc property investigated the complaints and concerns first raised in 1995, my mother would have known she had been deceased. she's failed not just by a rogue reporter but by leaders of the bbc who looked the other way rather than asking the tough questions. . >> well, there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded. >> reporter: in 1995, diana went further than anyone would have expected. only now it's become clear how martin bashir faked documents to help secure that interview. in a written statement, prince harry was scathing. the ripple effect the culture of exploitation and unethical practices ultimately took her life. yet what deeply concerns me is that practices like these and even worse, are still widespread

today. then and now, it's bigger than one outlet, one network, or one publication. our mother lost her life because of this, and nothing has changed. in his report, lord dyson described how bashir faked bank statements to convince diana's brother she was being spied on and get a meeting with diana. bosses within the bbc covered up bashir's behavior and lies with an internal investigation woefully in effective. >> there are multiple failures for the bbc to reflect on 25 years ago. but still, they're very, very serious. if you're an organization that cares about truthful, honest journalism and proper practice, i think it's a very difficult read. >> reporter: both william and harry have spoken before about how princess diana was hounded by the press and the impact on them of losing her had they were

so young. but they have never spoken about what that interview meant for her in the final years of her life. >> your husband renewed his relationship with mrs. camilla parker-bowles. were you aware of that? . >> >> reporter: y. >> yes. i was. but i wasn't in a position to do anything about it. . >> her brother lord spencer made it clear he would never have introduced her to bashir without the documents. a meeting those closest to her believe stoked her sense of paranoia, damage no report or apologies can ever repair. rihanna mills, sky news. >> oh, my god. this is beyond comprehension. victoria, despicable on every level.

>> when we see the film footage, you see the pain she is feeling. remember, this was a time, the '80s and '930s, when the focus on mental health isn't what it is today. today we look at this and say, how could this happen? you do not to this. the media should not be complicit in this. here we saw it was suspension alley so. we fast forward to today, and you see the ripple effect of this pain in her children. here i am speaking again as a mother. her sons, even though they are now grown, the pain they are feeling, and the mental health tragedy they have faced as a result of this, someone's inaction for getting a story, getting the scoop, it sickens me. up next, the hybrid workplace probably won't last. we will speak about behavioral

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function and trust is traditionally created through little actions that are more fluid in person. the risk is over the long run those who are in person will bond more strongly than those at a distance. those in the office will feel a much greater sense of belonging. and those who aren't will often be seen as outsiders or an afterthought. given all of this, is it possible to have a well-functioning workforce that is largely but not spiral remote and only occasionally comes together? only with a great deal of effort. and jon jones us now. he is the author of the new book "you're invited" the art and science of cut sraeuting influence. jon levy, let's develop upon the point that you made that i read. and look at the workplace as it stands right now, where there's,

first of all, this confusion about coming back. different companies are trying make different announcements. there's an effort to bring people back in. and yet a retiscence to come back in. . >> so i think the situation is really complicated. when we look at the greatest predictors of human longevity, it's close social ties and social incident tkpraeugz, feeling like we're connected. if you look at the predictors of company stock value, sick days and profitability, it's a level of trust. for most teams, most not all, being distance eroded trust. and especially new employees coming onto the team don't feel a connection. it just makes it really hard to

manage and it also makes it really hard for people to feel connected to their work. . >> hey, jon. it's willie government. such an important piece for people coming pack to the workplace and what it will look like after all of this you write about one piece i'm concerned about, for people to be recognized. people who may not be established at your company. you do it in a meeting, next to your boss, or next to colleagues. that's how you build your work ethic. it has real world implications for promoses and bonuses and everything else. . >> yeah. it's super interesting. it's not just when you're building your career but it has very serious implications on diversity, equity and inclusion. a recent study by future forward found 3% of african-american

workers want to return full-time. their white counterparts was 21%. we found ourselves in a situation where if people prefer to stay at home and are given the option, we might find ourselves with a less diverse office. and people who are marginalized staying home will receive less recognition. . >> walter, i would love for you to comment on this moment in history. of course if you have a question for the author. . >> i certainly have a question for jon. steve jobs was very much against people telecommuting or doing distance meetings. he built pixar headquarters so people would have to go through the atrium to get to a screening room, even to get something to eat. he said when people bumped into each other, they had random

encounters. what are you work on, what are you doing, and sparks would fly. so i was going to ask not just in terms of onboarding people and forming a culture but having this notion of creativity from sparks flying fromer issen dip taos encounters. . >> i love that you ask this. and thank you for pointing this out. if you look in general, the organizations that have the most cross-divisional pollenization, meaning they know each other, maybe switch divisions, tend to do the best. sit going to limit any interactions like these. out of sight out of mind. we need to pollenize across the

company. >> i think that's true also in high school and in colleges. in new orleans we had graduation in tulane for all my students. a lot of them spent the last year mainly interacting on zoom or in a virtual format, even though the campus was open. the past three or four days have been filled with crawfish boils. you go to the lobby of the windsor court total and they're there with their parents and they are meeting people for the first time they haven't gone to know. that ability to be collegial is something we try to teach in college and it's been difficult teaching it in an online environment which is why we are using this week to try to get people together again. i would be interested in your thoughts on teaching collaboration and collegiality

in a era of zoom meetings. . >> this is so interesting to me. fundamentally it is really critical during those college years. also to be exposed to as many different types of people as possible. if you're sitting in a zoom class and everyone has their camera off, there is no requirement to interact or see that other people exist. there is a characteristic called the mere exposure effect. just being exposed something more off causes us to like it more. even if we aren't necessarily interacting with every person, just the fact that we are exposed to them or around them allows us to see new perspectives. barbecues and so on demonstrate fundamentally what's important

to people is connect and experience a sense of belonging. >> kasie hunt is with us. she has a question. >> so, john, not to play devil's advocate here but you mentioned at the top that people's relationships determine their longevity. while i completely understand how that's true in the workplace, i think it's also true in family life. one of the things we found during this pandemic are a lot of workers are looking around and saying, you know what, my family life is richer. perhaps i have grown more in those relationships with the opportunity to be more flexible in work. especially for amount of younger workers who have come up in an era where you don't feel like you go to work for one company and they will take care of you and your family for life. we have entered into a different era. what can companies do to create

a culture on the one hand that also allows more flexibility for workers. how do they take responsibility for in in a way that makes all of us better? >> i think it is important to recognize that you can't have certain aspects of hybrid work really well. but we need to start training people for it now. and that means if people are staying at home to spend more time with their family that we need to train managers to develop greater levels of trust so we don't add countless hours of meetings that would otherwise be in our commute. the other aspect is we need to give people a sense of belonging if they're at a distance so they don't feel like second class employees and they're there by overlooked or ignored.

so there's a whole lot that companies can do on that. my concern is companies will be overwhelmed or lazy about the practices. i'm a huge believer spending time with family is critical and important. but for the most part, although some people experienced a general closeness throughout the day, for many it has been stressful juggling taking care of their kids and all office responsibilities with longer work hours. the idea that we are closer during the work hours, i'm not sure it's accurate. but it it is an excellent point for some people. >> jon lecv, thank you so much. ". and the virus out of europe.

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shortly after prayer service ended at the al aqsa mosque in jerusalem, we're told a riot interrupted that includes some palestinian protesters throwing rocks and molotov cocktails at police. let's bring in our chief foreign affairs correspondent and host andrea mitchell. good morning. we talked about this cease-fire, which is fragile by definition. how is this looking to you? how did this come to be? >> it's early to tell. this is, first, disturbing because it is right there in the temple mount of the al aqsa mosque, which is the initial really spark that flew and caused the rockets from hamas and retaliation of the massive air strikes from israel that we've seen the last 11, 12 days. now we have a cease-fire. no rockets are flying. egypt is the guarantor to make

sure both sides don't explode. egypt, according to our reporting, was critical in this factor. just the last four, five days reassuring the white house in all of their intense, secret diplomacy they could stop the hamas rockets and when they did in the final day, netanyahu's final call was president biden, according to those familiar with what was going on in what i was told last night, said okay, it's working. the rockets have stopped. in other words, egypt has proved it does have influence over hamas, and now it remains to be seen. i think there will be protests and what really did make this so different and so disturbing in contrast to the five previous conflicts is there were domestic protests and clashes between israeli arabs and israeli jews. israeli citizens on both sides, neighbors living to each other for decades, and that's what made this so scary, in addition to the range and reach and accuracy of the hamas rockets,

how well are they, the sheer numbers were extraordinary in these 11 days. but at least now this egyptian broker dealed with the white house very deeply involved, contrast to the criticism all of this has been speculating on. this really was joe biden learning as his experiences as vice president and senator before that, long years with netanyahu and figuring out you couldn't back him into a corner, you had to let him play it out. >> walter, what's your read on that point how president biden handled this? his long experience in the senate working on foreign affairs but appeared to at least publicly give prime minister netanyahu some space over the last 11, 12 days before turning the screws a bit in the last couple? >> this is the way it always seems to play out on these things. it seems to be 11, 12 days and joe biden's been through this before and handled it well. what i particularly like, as president biden said, perhaps

i'm an old traditionalist when it comes to this conflict, we have to keep in mind the ultimate goal, two peoples living side by side, each in security, each in peace, a palestinian and israeli democratic state. that big dream, it was a dream we were close to at various times, as andrea reported. the taba accords, many times in the past 30 years, we almost got to that solution. what's heartbreaking to me is with each of these cycles, it gets less and less likely that we can get to a pretty -- the only stable solution i can figure out, which is having peace and security for both peoples in that region and in states that are demilitarized. we turn now to our "50 over 50," and as good as a backdrop we have andrea here.

we are looking at all women past the age of 50 in the field of foreign policy. very hard to break into as a woman. let's bring in chief content officer at forbes media and editor randall lane. and condoleezza rice, she posted a lot of firsts in her life. >> right, she was just 50 when she was the first african-american to be provost at stanford and secretary of state. history goes on and on. she was very instrumental working with egypt to have the israeli withdrawal from gaza in 2005. we see the ramifications playing out 15, 16 years later. >> andrea mitchell, you covered condoleezza rice. what reflections do you have watching her break into what was especially then a man's world?

>> as you know well from your dad, it really was a man's world, and she was the russia adviser at the nfc when i first met her and then moved up to the ranks and became the national security adviser, the world your father had so memorably, and really was extraordinary in that job because of a relationship with george w. bush. he really trusted her. then that continued when she was secretary of state. i was with her when she went and dealt with the lebanon war and gaza war and traveling with her and she was really an extraordinary secretary of state. >> and paving the way, randall lane, for another woman with the same last name, who is right now serving as susan rice, she's 56 right now and this is her second run in major white house role. her first one being right there smack in the middle of foreign policy and national security. >> that's right.

she was the second rice in the nsa, national security adviser. she was also u.n. ambassador. i think this is really a down woman, she was on the short list for secretary of state in this administration. instead when antony blinken got the job, they moved her to domestic policy. this is someone advising in the highest left both in foreign policy and now domestic policy. it's incredible in scope and scale. >> and watching susan rice, who some say have sharp elbows, my dad had sharp elbows in the white house. dick cheney had sharp elbows. it takes shark elbows to make it in the way of foreign policy and national security. susan rice has had to sort of education people around her, yeah, we can be touch too. >> and susan right, just as

conde rice, she had a special relationship with barack obama. you have to know your principal and the trust that jim baker had, obviously, with other presidents. now what she bring it's to is her perspective being so involved in the black lives matter movement, in her book talking about what she's experienced and her outspokenness is a great quality, great attribute to this day. >> and from our nominations pool here with the magazine, third on the less quick randall lane, dr. georgette bennett. >> real poet and renaissance woman. nbc news correspondent, new york city police department adviser. most important this was a daughter of a holocaust survivor refugee, assault happening in syria helped guide over $70 million in aid for syria in an interfaith way. that's exactly what they need

when you see what's going on in gaza and israel. conflict resolution led by women that we need right now. >> these are women over 50, over 60, over 70, over 80 kicking ass. happy friday, everybody. have a great weekend. go to knowyourvolume.com and click on 50 over 50 for more. and nbc's andrea mitchell, thank you as well. we will see you at noon on "andrea mitchell reports." that does it for us this morning. kristen welker picks up the coverage right now. hi, there, i'm kristen welker in for stephanie ruhle. it is friday, may 21st, and here's what's happening. this morning the skies are quiet over the middle east, where an unconditional cease-fire between israel and hamas is holding at least for now. it took effect around 2:00 a.m. local time,