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>> when they decided they would take all the 2 million ballots and machines from arizona's largest county and go through them all themselves to find the fraud that obviously cost donald trump the election. one of the problems they had was that arizona republicans picked a guy to run the so-called audit, who was directly linked to the whole qanon crazy conspiracy theory

phenomenon. and all of its inherent craziness. they hired this firm, cyber ninjas. that had no experience of anything having to do with elections. but they had this additional problem. cyber ninjas has this website, that's going to be a website in terms of your credibility. but beyond that, there cbo had a publicly viewable record of promoting qanon conspiracies. and even corresponding directly with the guy who really does appear to be q. talking and with him about how they were going to uncover the real fraud in the election. the cyber ninjas ceo a man named doug logan, retweeting the queue guy talking about 200,000 missing trump votes in arizona. doug logan messaging in the queue guy asking him for source documents for his election conspiracy theories. doug lewinsky into the queue guy i'd love to chat if you have the chance. i'd love to chat with the chief scam guy behind this conspiracy theory. that's been separating all the

people on the right both from their money and their sanity. maybe you have the answer. that was one problem. they picked this cyber ninjas company. no business having anything to do with this kind of audit. nothing to do with elections. ever in the past. and their ceo is a qanon conspiracy guy. another problem for arizona republicans with his contract or they hire to do this audit, is that one of the people who was very happy to vouch for him, very happy to talk to the press and vouched for what a good guy this eo of its cyber ninjas, that logan was, and how closely he had been working with him on the crisis. one of the people who's willing to step up and tell the press actually i can vouch for this guy, i've been going with him for a very long time, that was this guy -- >> donald j trump has never conceded, has he? because he won the election, so be cool. it's all going to be good in

good time. donald j trump is still the guy the military will call for the coat if they need a first strike. joe biden is not the president of united states. trump is watching. i believe, my own personal belief, is that he signed the insurrection at. nobody knows it. don't tell anybody. i think the military is prepared to act if we have a foreign threat or an internal threat that can't be handled by the police or the national guard. and we're going to allow so it appears to be continuity of government. we are learning about what you would've gotten if biden -- because he's cleaning things up. >> he's cleaning things. trump is secretly working behind the scenes to clean things. joe biden isn't president. why would you think joe biden is president? that's a lawyer named will linwood from georgia who involved himself in lots and lots of the trump election fraud fantasy litigation after the election, filing all kinds of election lawsuits that all got tossed promptly out of court. linwood is now facing the

prospect alluding his own law license because of promoting the trump election conspiracies. he called for my vice president mike pence to be assassinated. he's accused john roberts, the chief justice of the supreme court, of being a pedophile in a child sex craft her. john roberts, really? that said, from lin woods perspective, that's kind of everybody that's not him. >> they've accused me of being a qanon conspiracy serious. why? because they're telling you that i am a bad messenger. they are trying to attack me because they can't attack q. because q is the truth. [applause] this is about the children for god sakes! [applause] send this videotape.

send it to hollywood. a, clay, send it to the house of windsor. hey, clay, send it to bill gates. send it to the illuminati. [applause] let them hear the truth. and whatever they do to me, i don't fear them at all. send it to the vatican. send it to the politicians, the clintons, the obamas. the bidens, the bushes. send it to those people. because they are involved in child sex trafficking. it's time to sell the truth to america also.

>> we're gonna put that in a time capsule in some point. somebody from some distant land or civilization will look back and say what was going on with white people at that time, in this country? it seems like it was a thing with -- that the guy who has been vouching for week the seriousness of doug logan, the head of cyber ninjas, which has been put in charge of re-counting the arizona presidential election result. this is the guy you want vouching for you, right? when you are applying for a job, you have to give references to call, that's the guy you send them to? because if you call my colleague lin, he will tell you about my qualifications. he also fill you in on the illuminati. and how the clintons, the obamas, you're biden's, and the bushes and, thebritish royal family, they're all running a giant sex trafficking ring. and by the way, the vice president should be assassinated. need anything else from me reference wise? when do i start the job?

because lin can vouch for me. but there was lin wood, last month, happily telling the press last month that this ceo of cyber ninjas, the former arizona republican, hire to do why supposedly an audit, he said i can vouch for them. the guy who runs cyber ninjas, he stayed at my house for a while, because we're all working together and to the investigation into the election fraud. if it's the doug logan i knew i, think he's an excellent person to have that job. i trust any audit he gave. he will reveal the truth. >> that's the pool from which you plucked your auditor for the presidential election results in your state. especially if he is not certified or qualified to work in any election thing at all. he's just the guy who chats with the qanon guy a lot and gets a life action

investigation from lin wood's basement. arizona republicans knew they had a credibility problem by having hired this firm, run by this guy. to uncounted the presidential election results from arizona for 2020. they knew they had a credibility problem within. so they decided, that even though he will be running the out audit overall, part of the way they would deal with his credibility issues is that they would tell everybody, publicly, that that guy would not be personally touching any ballots. instead, there would be a subcontractor. he would have another company come in called wake technology services. come in and actually do the hand counting a ballots. they were described by the arizona republicans as a company with deep experience in elections and audits. specifically highlighted to previous elections that this company had worked on. one in new mexico and one in pennsylvania. while the arizona mirror, which has been doing fantastic reporting on the story for

weeks, they dug into this supposed previous experience the arizona republicans worked outing for week technologies. the arizona mirror reports this, quote, no one in new mexico has ever heard of weak technology. as. alex curtis, a spokesman for new mexico secretary of state, said he's unaware of any work week tsi is doing. but when the arizona mayor contacted those two counties, they had not heard of week tsi either. one county clerk saying quote, i've never heard anything of them doing anything in the state of mexico for anything. okay, well that was supposedly half of their previous experience in elections. what about their other cleaned experience and elections which was in pennsylvania. well, thanks again to reporting from the arizona mayor, we now know that their pennsylvania experience was something very specific. it was the guy who invited rudy giuliani to gettysburg

pennsylvania after the win whomever elections, to do a fake hearing with republican state legislators about how if you squint up pennsylvania's ballots, you can see satan in them. the state senator who brought the rudy giuliani road show to gettysburg, pennsylvania, last year. he also is the one who got this company, that literally had no experience at all, week tsi, he got them to come in and do an audit of one random county in pennsylvania. to stop the steal, for whatever. and this is a county that went for trump by a huge margin anyway. and their audit of the result doesn't appear to have made any material change in terms what was revealed from that county. the only consequences of that work by week tsi and that one county in pennsylvania is that just like in arizona now, that county in pennsylvania, they to now have to throw away their voting machines. they can't use them again because they let these

uncertified, an experienced, random outside contractors temper with them. and therefore, they are corrupted. and this probably process can't use those machines anymore. we don't hold private elections in this country. we have rules about how ballots and voting machines have to be handled, public entities conduct elections. random, fake audit firms brought in by the stop the steal republican legislators crushed that process in men that county can't use those machines anymore. same thing in arizona. it made headlines across the county. my recount to maricopa counties now would have to throw away millions of dollars worth of voting machines and tower tabulators because they let these cyber ninjas guys temper with them. they let these cyber ninjas guys do something to the machines. nobody knows what. now we know that isn't the first time that has happened. the cyber ninjas have rendered the maricopa voting machines

unusable. and the subcontractor that they're using to handle the ballots in arizona, that subcontractor mentored the voting machines unusable. and that is their only previous election experience. and yes, all of this seems like disaster after disaster. right? which makes it all the more remarkable that the momentum is on their side. they're just getting started. tonight, in arizona, congressman matt gates, who actually is under criminal investigation for child sex trafficking. and congresswoman marjorie taylor greene who was recently stripped of all of her committee assignments in the house, for promoting conspiracies, they are preparing to hold a live event in a few minutes in arizona, something they're calling a rally to defend donald trump in the election audit in arizona. and tomorrow, arizona will get even more crowded. do you buy any chance remember george papadopoulos?

remember him? trump campaign advisor who pled guilty to lying to the fbi in the russia investigation and he got last-minute pardon from former president trump. guess what george papadopoulos is doing tomorrow? he will also be in arizona. appearing at a new fun filled event full of pro trump qanon promoting, election fraud is broad conspiracy theories. also there tomorrow, will be the failed inventor and treasure hunter guy who secret vote fraud detecting technology is allegedly being used in the faith arizona audit. because he said artifacts are his specialty. the event will also be attended by the guy patrick byrne, who used to run oversaw come. you might remember him from the really dark days after the attack on the capital on january six, after the election. when he admitted that he was at a white house meeting, sat flash screaming match, in which the idea of seizing voting machines all over the country and declaring martial law in order to overturn the election, was the topic of discussion in

the oval office. mr. burned claims that he's personally donated at least 1 million dollars to fund the recount slash audit in our zone. which if you think about it really, is a key part of the problem here. what is happening in arizona is not an official thing. they've got the real ballots, the real voting machines. but it is a privately funded thing. with just random pump trump people paying to have access to the votes and the voting machines. and republicans all over the country are just letting them do it. lining up to do it now. they all want to get in on this good thing that arizona has got going on. it's happening in arizona. we now know it happened in one obscure pennsylvania county before this. a county that can no longer use it's voting machines because of it. as of today, it's reportedly going to happen next in georgia, fulton cold tea georgia. and who knows, it may be handle more responsibly.

but you recall, georgia has already had at least three other recounts of the presidential election in georgia. all of which showed joe biden won. now they've got another one they are going to do. they're going to try to unkind the election results in georgia. given how much traction, how much effect they have been able to have with this scene they have created in arizona. i hear a lot of people say they are relitigating the election results. there is no litigation here. at least not yet. they are not bringing their claims to court. they tried that more than 60 times and lost all of them. instead, what this is is republicans with private trump supporter money, using trump supporter contractors who have no expertise in the field, they are taking the ballot. and taking the voting machines and doing lord knows what to them. but they think they are going to be able to undo the results of the last election. with whatever it is messing with a public process. they will at least make it like

the results of any election ever will never be knowable at all. kinetic artifacts, they're everywhere. and this is absolutely ridiculous. and hilarious. complete with its overflowing crown cart of ludicrous characters. the really, they're bringing back george papadopoulos now? really? but at the same time, they really are going to do this all over the country. taking away from trump supporters and republican voters more broadly, the basic idea that elections are something that we do publicly as a nation. as a means of making political decisions. they are ending that everywhere they can all over the country, simultaneously. this is incredibly suited. and occasionally harris. it's also the same time, we more serious than we are taking this as a country. they are just getting started. everything's fine! so scenty. soooo soft. gain. the number one scent, available in softener.

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getting somewhere. president biden has been off his 420 days. not that long. but in that time, he in the democratic majority in congress did pass the big covid relief bill. which is why families with kids are about starting to get tile child tax credit checks. watch is what has been funding the vaccine rollout, funding

mining schools for safely reopen. ails aid to restaurants that started going out. it's a lot. and like i said, he passed it with the democratic majority in congress. and i put it that way because no republicans at all supported that. which turned out to be fun. i mean, other than republicans taking credit for it as if they pass it themselves. even though they all voted no. other than that, it is fine. it's still past. president biden said he wanted the covid relief effort to be bipartisan. but the republican said no. mitch mcconnell colonel guaranteed ahead of time there would be zero republican votes for it. so, the democrats shrugged and said, okay, we prefer to be doing something with you. but if you are not going to vote for it no matter what, we will not waste time talking with you about it. democrats didn't have did have to negotiate a little amongst themselves. but they didn't waste time, they went ahead and went with something they could all agree to and passed it on their own. they use something with the most boring name in the entire world. they used something called

budget reconciliation. wet, felicity fair? budget reconciliation to pass the covid relief bill. which sounds very boring. what it means is that they could pass that bill with just a majority, which is 50 democratic votes in the senate. even with all the republicans voting no. now to pass things that way you have to get permission from the parliamentarian. and not all legislation can be passed that way. but that is how they passed covid relief. which is a huge bill that has made a huge difference in the country. well now, it looks like we are about to get infrastructure, to. at least that's what it looks like to me. the biden administration had proposed a big once in a generation infrastructure investment. roads, bridges, airports, trains. charging stations for electric cars. do you know that china installed more charging stations for electric cars in december, alone, then we have in our entire country? in one month, they installed more than we have total in our

country, coast to coast. the biden infrastructure bill would wildly expand our electric vehicle charging stations. it will build 100 percent broadband access for everybody in the country. even in the most rural areas. it would shore up our ridge ridiculously fragile electric grid. it would puts of tons of people to work with doing things like replacing lead pipes in everybody's water systems. cleaning up abandoned oil oil wells, mines, gas wealth. sealing them up. there's a lot of work to be done there. we should do a lot of it. the average hospital in this country is about 11 years old. the average veterans hospital is nearly 60 years old. one of the things biden's infrastructure bill would be to rebuild and modernize our va hospitals for our vets. their own average, 58 years old. anyway, what biden is proposing in terms of infrastructure, in total and and individual parts is very popular stuff.

the republicans don't want to do it, though. and president biden says, as he is want to say, that he would love republicans to support the bill. he wants a bipartisan plan. there is no reason they should be a democrats only kind of thing. but the republicans really just don't want to do it. which was made very, very clear today. which is why i am saying okay, now maybe we are getting somewhere. because clarity matters for stuff like this. what biden had proposed was 2.2 five trillion dollars on infrastructure. the republican said no, they would rather spend about a quarter of that. and the biden white house and republicans in the setting have been meeting. today the biden administration released their counter offer after all of their negotiations with the republicans. basically saying we would love to do something with you in a bipartisan way. here, in the spirit of compromise, is a new proposal from us that goes quite some distance towards what you are proposing instead. at the white house said today

they would cut president biden's infrastructure plan week down. a lengthy proposal weaker and less ambitious because that is what the republicans want. they literally, in the new plan, would propose doing tens of billions of dollars less work on roads and bridges, and even broadband. since that's what the republicans want. the white house revised proposal today, this offer to the republicans, basically 25% off of what president biden had previously planned to do. the republicans responded by saying, yes, we don't care. we still don't like it, thanks for nothing. we're not any closer to anything. we still heated. and that honestly, is good news. if you are rooting for infrastructure investment in this country. because it is clarity. because the biden administration has made this protracted good faith effort. they have made huge concessions the republicans, to make their own proposal.

to make the biden proposal weaker and less effective. says that is what the republicans want. they don't want to anyway. which means now, everybody has clarity. we can all see and agree that there is no future in which republicans are going to have specific minded awakening and decide, actually, yes the country really does need the self stuff. so let's work with democrats to do something constructive. there is no future in which that happens. which any considerable number of republicans, let alone ten senators, cross over to vote with democrats to get infrastructure done. it's never going to happen. which means, like covid relief, their big success story, democrats can now have clarity. they can now set aside, leave in the past, the talking to republicans and making the bill weaker and worst part of this. and instead, they can just get to work on passing it themselves. and i know this is not what you are hearing from the beltway press today. they are all focused on the

white house made a counter offer, but they still did not please the republicans. what does this mean for the bipartisan future? that both sides -- blah blah blah. there was never a bipartisan future. [laughs] republicans are never going to vote anything that biden wants to do. mitch mcconnell says, he is 100% focused on blocking the biden agenda. credit him for telling the truth. they are never going to vote for what biden wants. and now we all know. on both sides, that that is the future. so that clarity is beneficial. to the prospects of getting infrastructure pass. and the actual most important news of the day, is something first reported by punchbowl news and later confirmed by nbc, the most important news of the day is that staffers to chuck schumer, the democratic leader, and senator bernie sanders, they are staffers yesterday started meeting with the parliamentarian. and the senate, it was the person they need to give them permission to pass the

infrastructure bill without any republican votes at all, if no republican votes are coming. that is how they passed covid relief. that is why covid relief was such a success. why it wasn't watered down. and why they were able to get it done fast enough to actually help people and make a difference. that is also how they can then move forward on infrastructure and they have started the process. question one now is, now the republicans have said we don't care that you cut 25% out of your legislation, we still won't vote for it. does the biden administration put that 25% back and go back to their original plan? the country frankly, probably would be better off without cutting tens of billions of dollars out of what we are going to do for broadband. so do they reinstate that stuff that they cut out purely to try to get republican support and, now that is not going to get any republican support. question one. question to, do the democrats agree now that it is time to get this done? for all the differences amongst

themselves, are the democrats ready to all go in the same direction to not get this done? joining us now is congressman jayapal from the great state of washington. she is the chair of the progressive caucus. she represents a key chunk of democrats in the congress when it comes to democrats figuring out the ready to do. representative jayapal, it's a real pleasure to have you here. thanks for making time. >> always great to be with you rachel. and as i was listening to you as thinking, this is like waking for gadot. waking for the republicans to magically show up is something that we just don't think is going to happen. but obviously, we needed to give the president a little bit of room. i think that room has now been closed. that outdoor has now been close. we have clarity as you said. and now we can go back to doing what the country actually wants so. even if republicans in congress don't want a big infrastructure, jobs and families plan -- there is also the families plan

which the president has proposed. we are saying let's put those two together, let's class passed through reconciliation and let's to do what is incredibly popular across the country. >> let me just ask you about what is going on internally among democrats right now. because i just as i just explain, and as you seem to agree, republicans have kind of taken themselves off of the table here. which is clarifying in terms of what needs to happen now in order to get this done. but i am acutely aware that democrats in congress come in all sorts of stripes and flavors. are there really significant differences that remain among democrats about what to do here? are there choke points that still really need to be figured out? are things at a place right now where democrats are essentially ready to go and ready to pull in the same direction? >> every democrat that i talked to in the house, for sure, is really on board with getting a big investment, a once in

generation investment, done. in all of these different pieces. roads, bridges, transit, broadband, taking on climate. really addressing the issues around childcare. especially when we have seen women being pushed out of the workforce. that is a huge piece. free community college, which is also part of the biden administration plan. and then we have been building the chorus, even for additional health care pieces, like lowering the medicare eligibility age. and lowering the cost of prescription drugs. so, there is a lot of agreement across the democratic caucus. are there going to be places where we are going to have to negotiate, yes. there will be. and i think that for some in the senate, some democrats in the senate, there needed to be an effort to at least see if republicans were going to come along. it is not really what we felt was necessary, in the progressive caucus. but we understood that there needed to be a little bit of room. however, rachel, we have to learn the lessons from the last

time around during the obama administration where we tried and tried and tried to work with republicans, and we narrowed down everything we wanted to do. and we didn't make the kind of investment we needed to make. and at the end of the day, the republicans didn't vote for it. that is the same party we are dealing with, except even worse. because you look at the rescue plan, it was so popular. the republicans voted no and took the dough, because they went back to their districts and people were like, oh, this is really gate right. i got money in my pocket, a shot in my arm, my kid is going back to school. and all of a sudden republicans are like, i can't tell my constituents i voted no on this, so they started claiming credit for. so i think it's really important to destroy distinguish between what republicans across the country want, what republicans in congress are willing to do. ss>> realistically speaking, given what you have just said and what you understand about how the process is going to go from here on out, what is your best guest when this passes?

>> well, i think there is a very good possibility that we take out the budget resolution in the house, in june. and then we try to pass it by july 4th. the peak or speaker had said before that is what she wanted to do. and then the senate is able to do the same, probably in the month of july. and then the whole thing comes together and we vote it out before the august recess. so, that is really the timing that we need. this is urgent. and again, when i look at what people are telling us across the country, they are saying we like a bold, ambitious plan. and guess what? it gets even more popular if you put in the fact, as the president has said, that we are going to tax the biggest corporations and the wealthiest people, in order to raise some revenue. we know that infrastructure pays for itself. but making the tax system fair, that is something that americans see yes, i want to get behind that. i am for it. and it actually increases the

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this guy totally gets it. i love this. i feel exactly the same way that he does. >> i don't think that he really has a clue of what we do. because when you put something in a blue box it gets there. and when i started working here, i've seen the miracles behind these walls right here. >> when you put something in a blue box it gets there. which looks like magic, but it is not magic. it's because of all the hard work that happens behind those walls by people like him.

that man's name is mike bates, he has been a u.s. postal worker for nearly 30 years. god bless him. and what he's talking about there is the mail. when he says he has witnessed miracles on the job, did you catch what he said first though? he said right at the top. i don't think he really has a clue about what we do. that he in that sentence is this man. louis dejoy. he is the head of the u.s. postal service, postmaster general appointed by donald trump. he is still in that job today, believe it or not. it was of course louis dejoy, pardon me for saying so, who kind of broke the u.s. mail system last year. immediately after trump installed him in the job. he created draconian policies that created unprecedented, devastating backlog in the mail across the country. he ordered multi million dollar a replaceable custom built sorting machines to be moved and destroyed. he cut the number of trips that mail carriers were allowed to take. he banned mere carriers from taking extra trips to deliver a mail that would otherwise be late. so yes, the late mail got late.

really late all over the country. at his orders. and i know you know all of this because we have all been living through what has felt like a collapse of reliable mail service in this country. which started when trump's guy, louis dejoy, took over. unfounded lovely even after that disastrous start to his tenure as postmaster general, louis dejoy is still in charge of the postal service tonight as i sit here. and since he is still there, he is coming up with new years to try to monkey wrench the way that mail gets delivered even further. he has recently proposed his own tenure plan for the postal service. something the washington post calls the quote, largest rollback of consumer mail services in a generation. just as one example, dejoy's plan calls for ending the use of airplanes to move first class mail across the country, to only use trucks instead. which of course would sub differently slow down the delivery of the mail. he would further reduce hours at post offices.

he wants to close a bunch of post offices. wants to end with a lot of postal services. pull social workers and union leaders immediately pointed out that one of the things he is proposing would be to off-load more merely carrying operations to private companies. which is designed to have a side benefit of further slowing down mail deliveries, while also privatizing in the mail. so, that is why that postal worker, might bates, was saying that his boss has no idea what he and his fellow mail carriers into. anybody see the signs or over mr. be shoulder there? when he made those remarks this week, he was at an informational picket. postal workers, among them some of the ones who blew the whistle on the sorting machines disaster last year, postal workers head a rally in des moines iowa this week, to protest these proposed new changes to the way the post office operates. they stood outside the des moines post office chanting, raise hell, save your mail?

they say cut back, we say fight back! they made signs that said things like dejoy, equals delays. and stoppage oil. save usps. and it wasn't just postal workers who showed up for. they had a live stream set up why we're people can explain why it was important to them to keep delivery standards high. because it's the people service. why we all need the mail. on home and on time. this man for example is an advocate for retirees in iowa. for people who rely on the mail to get delivered on time to get their medications and hustles necessities. he took he called the slowdown of the u.s. mail a threat to seniors. and it is. because all these people out there still rally in to save the post office because the guy who messed up is still in office and is now proposing major new changes that will mess it up even further. and all those folks are rallying in iowa this week not just to catch the attention of louis joy. they were there to try to catch

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installed atop the u.s. post office basically to try and break it is still there in that job after everything he did last year including before the election to slow down and screw up the mail. louis dejoy now pushing a ten-year plan to slow the u.s. mail even further to offer less service and close post offices all over the country. right now, it's a proposal. it's up to something called the postal regulatory commission whether not dejoy's plan gets adopted. right now is the magic window of time where the public gets to tell the commission if they

should do that. right now the public has to tell that commission how they feel about louis dejoy's plan to cut back and slow down the postal service even more than he already has. the comment period is open right now, staying open for the next month. it's open until june 22nd. as iowa postal workers rally this week to try to let people know this is happening, and to get people to public comment against dejoy's plan to mess with the post office, the president of the iowa postal workers union said this, quote, if we don't get the joys plan stopped, the avalanche will begin and irreversible damage may be done. joining us now is kimberly carroll who is the president of the iowa postal workers union. thanks for being here. i appreciate you taking the time. >> thanks for inviting me back. another pivotal moment in coastal postal history! >> feels like it! and i'm interested in the fact that you and your colleagues,

the people who were out there in des moines this week trying to raise awareness of this, to get news coverage, let people know further cuts are coming are asking for people to give comment against it. do you think strong public comment against this proposal could stop it? >> i don't think we've ever had an opportunity where the public has been able to make a comment in previous changes. that's why we want to take this opportunity to make sure the public understands what's happening, and that they take action. let the postal regulatory commission no this is not the direction we want to take. there isn't one right way or one way. we need to find the right way. if the american people speak out and say that this is not what they want in the postal service, that they're not willing to settle for adequate

service, they want exceptional service, and they deserve exceptional service. we will find a different way. >> it seems like if there is one thing you wanted to tell a randomly assembled group of americans that you could guarantee would make most of them mad would-be you are going to close a bunch of post offices? everywhere in the country, including rural parts of the country, especially those parts, the prospect a local post office will be shut down gets peoples blood boiling pretty quickly. that proposal plus the proposal to slow down first class mail, plus the proposal to just stop offering some existing mail services, it does seem it's designed to hit the public hot buttons here in terms of the kinds of things that would most aggravated us. i wonder if the plan here is, if the idea is americans wouldn't know this was happening? it seems they're such inflammatory proposals.

>> that's exactly what the plan was. even in hearings with regard to the standard changes that were conducted by the postal service, they admitted not talking to customers. they said they weren't going to get public comment. i think that was part of exactly the plan, to make sure this went through, that the law got changed, and the postal service would make all these service changes, and the customer would be left to complain. we are wanting them to take positive proactive action and tell them they aren't willing to settle for this slow down. if necessary, they need to reach out to their congressmen and senators. we, as american people, should be able to influence the service that's being provided to us as americans. the only way to do that is if we rally together once again

and put pressure on the people who are making decisions for us and say, look, this is what we want, this is what we deserve. the time to do that is now, before the lies change, before the rules are changed. >> public comment period with the postal regulatory commission closes in a month, in june. public comment needs to go in now in order to potentially effect that. president of the iowa postal workers union, it's a pleasure and honor to have you here again. keep us surprised, come back soon. >> thank you so much, rachel. >> we will be right back. stay with us. stay with us yes. formulated to help you body really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness, well done. stay restless with the icon that does the same. the rx, crafted by lexus. get 0.9% apr financing on the 2021 rx 350. experience amazing, at your lexus dealer.

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