hands of white cops. the family's lawyer joins me live to talk about the delayed release of the footage and how they plan to achieve justice. the cease-fire between hamas and israel seems to be holding, but only time will tell. richard engel is on the ground in gaza where locals are optimistic but fear the worst may be yet to come. and the u.s. supreme court has agreed to take up mississippi's renewed effort to ban abortion after 15 weeks. if it is successful, we can surely expect a wave of laws in red states to try to chip away at a woman's right to choose. "velshi" starts now. good morning. it's saturday, may 22nd. in just minutes i'll be joined by the lawyer for ronald green's family and another heartbreaking but all too familiar story. we begin with the latest in the ongoing infrastructure negotiations. republicans have rejected outright president biden's

latest proposal which would lower the cost from the original 2.25 trillion to 1.75 trillion. a spokesperson for one of the gop's lead negotiators on the bill say they're further apart than they were before. this comes as the gop remains staunchly against an independent commission to investigate the january 6th insurrection and attack on the united states capitol. just 35 republicans in the house voted in favor of the commission. a vote in the senate could come this week. right now a grand total of zero senate republicans are publicly for the legislation, which would create an independent commission styled on the famed 9/11 commission to investigate the violent mob which tried to kill them, hang mike pence and destroy american democracy in the process. the gop continues to play partisan politics saying the january 6th commission is a partisan ploy. it's not. as these republicans who acknowledge the reality and gravity of the situation

explained on the house floor. >> the american people and the capitol police deserve answers and action as soon as possible to make sure nothing like this ever happens again. >> the imperative to have a public, objective, fact-based investigation of the capitol attack is not a partisan issue and it should never be treated as such. >> nearly five months later we don't have the answers to the basic questions, who knew what, when, what did they do about it? >> the january 6th commission will find the answers to what and the when in congressman upton's questions, by denigrating and dismissing the commission up front it makes it easier for the gop to downplay and dismiss any final answers they don't like. namely that responsibility for the events of january 6th lie with the republican party and donald trump. joining me now is eugene scott, the "washington post" reporter for the fix and the host of the

next four years podcast on amazon. his latest piece examines the divide that is the ongoing infrastructure talks. i want to talk to you about infrastructure in a moment. i want to start with the gop's staunch opposition to the independent january 6th commission, a vote that could come in the senate this week. seems likely to fail. what options does that leave democrats and some responsible republicans who actually want to investigate what happened on january 6th? >> if the senate does not move forward with supporting this commission, which so far it looks like it's what will likely happen, what democrats will do it lean heavily on the justice department which has been effective as we've seen so far in bringing to attention at least and certainly justice individuals who were involved in this insurrection. and as they find out more information from these people, what democrats are hoping to do is make it public whether or not

other lawmakers, organizations, conservative media figures were involved and played a role in what ended up being a very deadly, tragic event that as you know led to more than 140 injuries for police officers alone, that so many republican lawmakers continue to down play and equate with a tourist visit on the u.s. capitol. anyone who has been to the capitol understands the images you showing are not a regular tourist visit. >> it's remarkable. i guess i worry that if they can't come to an agreement on something that was so obvious and in front of our eyes, i worry about the structure bill and other bills which are inherently more political in nature. there are real reasons why some people would or wouldn't support a lot of money for an infrastructure bill. what does it say about other bills if we can't get enough votes in the senate to deal with the january 6th commission? >> that's a fair concern,

especially based on the meeting that happened yesterday between some top biden officials and a small group of republicans. philosophically both sides of the aisle have very differing ideas about what infrastructure includes and what is required to get this country moving forward. conservatives have this very traditional idea when it comes to infrastructure that is limited to bridges and roads, whereas democrats believe that building up america means building up -- making more jobs, providing education for those jobs, making learning and reaching the spaces that need more support more possible with things like broadband. fundamentally we're reminded repeatedly right now that we're dealing with two very opposing ideas about what it is that makes america great. we saw that with the coronavirus plan, even though there was a bit more support for it and we're seeing it now with infrastructure. it's likely going to be a problem moving forward and something you'll see when we

head into midterms next year as both sides of the aisle compete for voters and an idea about what it is that america needs right now. >> when senator shelly moore capito says we're further apart than we are closer, the proposal went down about $550 billion. she says 800 billion is sort of their top number. so it's less than half. if the white house has come down by 550 billion, how are they further apart? >> it's actually a reminder that in many ways there really is only one side that's interested in being bipartisan, that's the democrats. mitch mcconnell made it clear his top number is 800 billion and he has not bunlbudged of th. you don't see those right of biden trying to move a bit and

be more compromising when it comes to trying to get this plan forward. you do see that from biden and the white house. so when you hear lawmakers say they're further apart what she seems to be saying is even though the biden administration or white house appears to be moving, she and her side are not making that many compromises and don't plan to. >> eugene, good to see you as always. eugene scott, "washington post" reporter and the host of the next four years podcast available on amazon. joining me now is democratic representative stacey plaskett from the u.s. virgin islands, she's a member of multiple committees. she also served as an impeachment manager during the second impeachment trial of donald trump. that and that, obviously, is what i want to talk to you about. it's kind of amazing. when i think about people who do not want to get involved in the

investigation of january 6th or others like ron johnson who have described it as fully peaceful, members of congress described it as a tourist visit, you were the human who walked most of us and the senate through what actually happened on january 6th. you detailed it. you studied every frame of video and you know full well that it was not a tourist visit nor a peaceful protest. >> that's right. i think you saw on the floor the dichotomy between members of congress who want to work in reality and those blinded by their allegiance to one man, and that's donald trump. you have kevin mccarthy and even mitch mcconnell after the attack on the u.s. capitol and our democracy stated this was, in fact, an attempted insurrection.

an attempted coup. these individuals who came to destroy the process of democracy were also there potentially to kill mike pence, the vice president of the united states and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi. but because former president trump does not want this commission, everyone has to move back and off of it. in fact, we gave kevin mccarthy house leadership, house democrats working in a bipartisan manner with chairman of homeland security benny thompson gave kevin mccarthy everything he asked for. yet and still he's not willing to support a commission to determine not only what happened that day and how we prevent it, but basic questions such as how do we come to a place where american citizens attempt to overthrow their government. >> he tweeted the following

words, the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears, it was the final most essential commands. those are not your words, those are the words of george orwell in "1984." it's kind of freaky that's what they said what's happening in the book and what's happening now. we have ample video evidence, you used it in your prosecution of donald trump in the impeachment. at some point we have to say if the republicans won't go along with this, something still has to be done. what does that something look like? >> that something looks like how do we safeguard our democracy? how do we ensure that the truth prevails? and that is what this bipartisan -- completely bipartisan commission is meant to do. because a january 6th can happen again if we do not look very starkly at the factors that led up to it and ensure that our capitol police, metropolitan

police, those individuals that fought in hand to hand combat made sure that didn't happen. you know, the january 6th commission and the fight for that is the fight we're having for all of the things that americans want. and you were talking about that, ali, there are so many things we're working on in congress right now that the president has said he wants to work in a bipartisan manner and it appears all republicans want to do is say no. that's problematic for us in a time and place where americans need so much. i know i live in the virgin islands, i represent the good people there. we have tremendous need for stable jobs, to ensure that we can take care of our climate. we won't do that until we can get president biden's jobs plan across the line. >> let me ask you about the jobs plan. you are on the transportation and infrastructure committee.

you see that the white house is negotiating and there are some democrats who say stop negotiating with these folks. they are just working against democracy. but the white house doesn't take that view and the president doesn't take that view. they're negotiating with shelley moore capito and others. they're not giving up. what is your thought on that? >> i was on transportation in the last congress. this congress i'm on the ways and means committee and the budget committee, and i think the president is right that he needs to hear from those members, hear from those senators as to what their concerns are. at the end of the day we have to do what the vast majority of americans want and that is that they want an infrastructure bill. they want a bill that is going to transform this country, that will allow us to be competitive. part of the president's plan includes $20 billion, a program that will reconnect

neighborhoods and communities like the virgin islands which have been cut off by historic investments and make sure new projects ensure opportunity. those are things that we cannot just say we'll put money if roads and bridges and the communities that need it most are not incentivized, groups are not incentivized to bring them to them. with this covid pandemic, it has made us realize that, you know, infrastructure is not just a bridge. it's not just a highway. it's broadband as well. as we saw so many of our children like the children of the virgin islands who were already cut off after the 2017 hurricanes, you know, losing time in school and now with the pandemic many of them did not have not only the laptops they needed, but have access to broadband, to stable, digital access to close that digital gap that exist in this country even in urban areas. that's the things that we need.

delivering clean drinking water, renewing our electric grid, high-speed broadband, those are the things we want to do in this bill that are not going to only support americans but continue to allow us to be competitive on a global scale. and if they can't come to yes on that, which they haven't before, it's -- we'll have to do it without them. >> representative plaskett, good to see you. you and i have been talking for so long, your committees add up like a resume, all these committees you've been on. clearly from your answer you know a thing or two about infrastructure. good to see you again. >> good to see you. thank you. the cease-fire between israel and hamas is holding for now. our own richard engel has gained access inside gaza and he joins us from the ground next. and the true circumstances of his death have been unknown for two years. now we know, ronald green, a black man from louisiana was

stunned, punched and dragged by state troopers and they lied about it. there's video to prove what really happened. i'll talk to greene's family lawyer after this. and the sham audit of last year's election results continues and is serving as inspiration elsewhere. katie hobbs will explain the literal costs people can expect. this is "velshi." tonight, i'll be eating a pork banh mi with extra jalapeños. [doorbell rings] thanks, baby. yeah, we 'bout to get spicy for this virtual date. spicy like them pajama pants. hey, the camera is staying up here. this is not the second date.

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. the world health organization came out with stunning numbers signaling the global covid-19 death toll is significantly undercounted. officials say the total deaths are likely two to three times higher than what's been recorded. as of yesterday, more than 3.4 million deaths have been attributed to covid but the world health organization says the numbers are likely closer to 6 million to 8 million. officials blame the discrepancy on the struggle to test early and on lagging covid data in

some countries. back to the u.s., one by one states are lifting restrictions that have been in place for more than a year. california is set to reopen on june 15th lifting almost all health restrictions, allowing gatherings of all sizes, but some are still wary about the mask guidance that says fully vaccinated people no longer need them in most places. according to a letter, the american federation of teachers says the sudden easing of requirements is stressing an exhausted and sometimes scapegoated work force. the second largest teachers union specifically called out states like texas and iowa, both states say public schools can no longer make it mandatory to wear a mask even though vaccines have not yet been approved for kids under 12. fewer than 50% of the u.s. population is fully vaccinated. only 41% of iowans have been fully vaccinated. that's also true for 30% of texans. for those who have been fully vaccinated, the ceo of pfizer

told axios there's a chance you will need a booster shot as soon as september to protect yourself. dr. anthony fauci added a booster will almost certainly be required within a year or so after getting the primary shot because the durability of the vaccine against the virus is generally not life long. the cease-fire between israel and hamas seems to be holding for now but the loss of life has been great. we'll go to richard engel on the ground in gaza next. and the role that biden played during the deescalation in the region. you're watching "velshi." but your first treatment could be a chemo-free combination of two immunotherapies that works differently. it could mean a chance to live longer. opdivo plus yervoy is for adults newly diagnosed with non-small cell lung cancer that has spread, tests positive for pd-l1 and does not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. opdivo plus yervoy is the only fda-approved combination of two immunotherapies opdivo plus yervoy equals... a chance for more starry nights.

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blinken is headed to israel and the west bank in the coming days to try to build on the truce in gaza. the state department says he will discuss recoveriesy effort and building better futures for

israelis and palestinians. there's instances like this, clashes between israeli police and palestinians in jerusalem just hours after the cease-fire was announced. the video appears to show israeli police firing stun grenades and tear gas while palestinians reportedly threw rocks at officers. after 11 days of violence, right now much of gaza is a sea of rubble and parts of israel are destroyed, though both sides claim they emerged victorious but there are no winners after the massive loss of life endured. according to the gaza health ministry, the palestinian death toll stands at 243, including at least 66 children. in israel 12 people died including two minors. president biden did have a hand in cooling the tensions. his team described actions as intensive, quiet diplomacy. behind the scenes he pushed for a cease-fire among multiple conversations with benjamin netanyahu all while republicans criticized him for not supporting israel enough. some democrats said he needed to be tougher on netanyahu

suggesting a cut to the$4 billion a year in military aid that the united states provides israel which supports its iron dome defense system. >> there is no shift in my commitment to the security of israel. we still need a two-state solution. it's the only answer. i'm prepared to put together and am going to put together a major package with other nations who share our view. rebuild gaza. they need the help. i'm committed to get that done. >> richard engel is on the ground in gaza city. richard? >> here in gaza they are literally picking up the pieces. people are sweeping the streets, going through their homes, salvaging what they can from destroyed buildings. there was a lot of damage here. according to local officials, 8,000 homes on a range from lightly damaged to made uninhabitable. more than 150 buildings were

completely flattened. when you walk through this city, there are holes where buildings once stood. there were more than 240 palestinians killed. today aid is starting to arrive. convoys of humanitarian relief including food and medicine showed up in this city, badly needed. the world health organization is calling for the creation of a humanitarian corridor to allow the evacuation of some of the wounded. but that goes to the heart of the issue here. this area is closed off. it is not easy for people to come and go. israel has long complained when relief does come and when money does come starting tomorrow, the local officials here will be making an international appeal to collect funds to rebuild gaza. israel says every time there is a collection like this and lots of money comes particularly from gulf arab states, that hamas doesn't use the money to improve infrastructure or to build power plants and help peoples lives,

but it uses it to replenish its weapons supply. nobody here thinks this conflict is over. nobody here thinks this cease-fire is going to change things. but hamas is enjoying a boost in its popularity. it was able to keep fighting, keep launching rockets, over 4,000 rockets fired at israeli cities up until the very end. and what also changed in this was the symbolism. this conflict took place in the era of social media and hamas and other palestinians used social media a great deal throughout the 11 days of the air strikes to get their message out. to get their message out directly and often in english to people around the world. and that has allowed hamas to say it's the champion of the palestinian cause. its rockets are what palestinians have to defend them against what they see as israeli injustice.

that is a unique position that hamas has not had before. after this, after it was spread out on social media, after the world watched this, hamas is enjoying this unique position of popularity which is exactly the opposite of what israel wanted. israel wanted to punish hamas, wanted to inflict damage, to take its weapons away in the hopes that people here would be so upset that they would turn against hamas. but that does not appear to have happened. ali? >> richard engel, thank you. richard is our nbc chief foreign news correspondent and reporting from gaza. president biden's approach to the situation in the middle east is the subject of a new piece from the "washington post." on wednesday in his fourth phone call with benjamin netanyahu biden offered a readout of the

call made no mention of israel to defend itself and that biden conveyed to the prime minister has he expected a deescalation that day on the path to the cease-fire. anne rumsey gearan joins us. thank you for joining us. this story shifted fully into your wheelhouse as an expert on policy and foreign policy. this is not a problem. it's not an agenda item that the biden administration was looking for, but he was forced into it and in doing so joe biden conveyed to benjamin netanyahu that you got my full support but you don't have congress's full support, and if you don't do something i might not be able to protect you as fully as i can. >> that's a good way to encapsulate it. the other message from joe biden to benjamin netanyahu who he has known for 40 years is that his own patience wasn't infinite and that while nothing would shake

joe biden's faith and belief in the security of israel and the importance of the u.s. relationship with israel and u.s. help to keep israel safe, that those things were perfectly safe, that biden felt this was going on longer than it needed to and that he really wanted to send a message to netanyahu that he needed to wrap it up. there was pushback. the ultimate number of calls between the two of them was six. if you think about the fact this lasted 11 days and all the other things that a president has to do, if he's spending time to make six phone calls with the leader of one country it gives you a measure of how fully this crisis seized the white house. that's a lot. that's a lot for one president to be involved in in that space of time. he was communicating to netanyahu that netanyahu needed to be mindful of how long this thing ran and that u.s. patience is not infinite.

>> what is the real change? other than biden's own frustration and this was not something that biden said he would solve. it's typical for an american president to say they want to get in there and find a solution to the middle east, not something biden had on his list, what has changed in congress? what are the shifts going on? >> there are two. the first is one that we have been starting to see over the last decade or so, which is that predominantly younger and more liberal democrats have a different view of the u.s. relationship with israel than people of joe biden's political generation. they're much more willing to be skeptical of israel's motives and much more willing to say that the united states should send the same kind of very strong signals of support, public signals of support for palestinians as it does for israel. most administrations including the biden administration and the

obama administration would have said we already do that. the difference is clear. the other shift really i think is one that was very important in this particular conflict, which is that older, more moderate democrats, including senator menendez but also andy levin from michigan, others who have always been supportive of israel started to issue statements that were more critical of israel. and that is the kind of sentiment that the white house was using as leverage to say hey, look, netanyahu, this is -- look what's happening here. do you understand the shift in american sentiment and the shift in congressional support? in past conflicts one thing that we have seen that we didn't see here was a giant bipartisan outpouring in congress critical of the -- certainly we did see people critical of hamas but critical of the international

calls for restraint. we saw lots of that this time. those calls were strong. >> is there any likelihood of movement? antony blinken will be there tomorrow or monday. is there any likelihood of movement towards something other than a cease-fire? something other than the status quo right now? i know america has some plan there, but will it stop with stop fighting, that's it, we're leaving? >> yeah. i wish i had more optimism that something would really change than i do. i think the prevailing view is that it was a good thing that this only lasted 11 days when other con flekflicts have laste weeks or months. that's something that the white house has been pointing to as a victory that they take some credit for. in terms of what happens for gazans and in security

situations, this is likely to go back to stasis, international funds, millions and millions will pour in to rebuild gaza. we've seen this before. hamas is firmly in charge. as richard engel was reporting there, you know, in some cases -- some ways even more firmly in charge than three weeks ago. so they're not going anywhere. netanyahu is not going anywhere and his view of the conflict in gaza will stay the same. much will stay the same. >> and this is the outcome of every last few of these events between those two parties. it does end up with status quo. anne, thank you very much. anne gearan, white house correspondent for the "washington post." it took two years and tons of public pressure before we found out what truly happened to ronald greene, a black man whose encounter with police could be what cost him his life. we have new body cam video that

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when you post your first job at indeed.com/home. after multiple video leaks to the ap, the head of the louisiana state police has been forced. the agency finally released body cam video showing the brutally violent arrest that may have led to the death of a black man in 2019. the footage shows white officers beating and tasing ronald greene while he remained handcuffed and face down on the road. his words were "i'm scared." we'll show you this video. it's very disturbing. >> sir -- >> don't you turn over. don't you turn over. lay on your belly. lay on your belly. >> yes, sir. okay. okay, sir. >> lay on your [ bleep ] belly. you understand me? >> yes, sir! >> a lot more of that video

we're not showing you now. the story is already bad, but what makes it worse is after this encounter louisiana state police lied to his family and the public about what happened. they said he was involved in a car crash. greene "died on impact after crashing into a tree following a police pursuit." clearly that's not true. that was a blatant lie. he was alive. while green's body was battered, his car was not and his family wanted answers. they have some of them and they're calling the entire thing a coverup. listen to how police spoke about the incident moments after encountering him. >> i beat the ever living [ bleep ] out of him. choked him and everything else trying to get him under control. we finally got him in handcuffs when a third man got there. the son of a [ bleep ] was still fighting and we were still wrestling with him why we were trying to hold him down. he was spitting blood everywhere, all of a sudden he went limp.

>> damn. >> i thought he was dead. we sat him up real quick. he's on the ambulance en route to glennwood. i'm hauling ass trying to catch up to him. >> y'all got that on body cam? >> the state police say the use of force in that instance was justified. i don't know. does what you heard sound justified to you? joining me now is lee merritt. the videos we have to do not tell the full story because some of the body cameras were turned off. he's not the first and not the last person to die during a police encounter where original official statements on the event were proven to be total lies by the release of cell phone or body cam footage. you represented george floyd's family who received a sliver of justice when the cop who killed him was convicted. what happens here? >> hopefully the same thing that happened in minnesota.

in minnesota the attorney general saw that the state had already failed. he saw that within a few months of george floyd's death. actually within a few days. here it's been two years. how miserably the state has failed us is open to the public now. it should be a national embarrassment for the state of louisiana. it requires that the top law enforcement official there, the attorney general, take some immediate action to ensure that all the officers who were involved in not only this violent arrest that resulted in ronald greene's death but everyone involved in the coverup, the supervisors, previous prosecutors who failed to bring charges for it, they be held accountable as well. >> you know, when you listen to the video, the fantastic part about this is the degree to which they said he died in a car crash. they completely lied about it. whether or not the police feel there was any merit in using the force they used on him -- by the

way, the louisiana state police say is justified -- there's an underlying lie here that has been hidden from the public for two years. all the way through george floyd. all the way through the biggest movement since the civil rights movement. these louisiana officials knew they had this video that was going to be explosive and proved that their police were liars. >> and they're talking out of both sides of their neck. while they say they believe the use of fire was justified, they also fired one of the officers who went on to die in a single car crash accident hours after learning he was terminated. they gave someone else a 50 hour suspicion, trooper cory york who used his foot to hold ronald greene in a prone position. the state police has repeatedly apologized to the family not only for the lie but for the open brutalization. if you look at that video in its entirety you will not see a man

resisting, you will not see a man who is not complying. you will see a man who is scared. i'm sorry. i'm scared. i'm your brother. if louisiana state police believe that kind of use of force is justified, there needs to be a pattern and practice into the entire state of louisiana investigation so that we can get their standard of treatment on par with the constitution. >> and that is the kind of thing people call for and that is the kind of thing this department of justice feels should happen. so what does the next step look like? what does the pursuit of justice -- i will mention that the police have already adjudicated this and made certain recommendations. one trooper was terminated and died the same day that he found that information out. others were facing some suspensions and termination. but it was not the overall -- this is dirty policing at its best and this felt like lynching. that has not been adjudicated appropriately, i think. >> that's right.

it's going to require federal oversight and the union parish district attorney, mr. belten, did refer this over to the u.s. attorney's office. so we expect an aggressive investigation and prosecution from the federal government. but we also leave the impetus, the onus on louisiana itself. the people of louisiana and their elected officials have to uphold their state codes. this action is in violation of those state codes. the next push is for mr. belton, we ask for state charges. he seemed committed to pursuing avenues for state accountability and federal accountability. without accountability -- it's not enough to bemoan this terrible thing, without accountability we will see the same thing occurring over and over again. that's the push. >> that's right. you used the term accountability. justice would be if ronald greene were not dead. but there is some ability to get

accountability in this thing. i want to remind everybody he died on may 10, 2019. and yesterday we got more video that they were holding on to. that's not the way the world is supposed to turn. lee, good to see you again lee merritt the lawyer representing the greene family and the founder of the merritt law firm. georgia is moving ahead with an inspection of 2020 ballots, while in arizona the state senate faces legal action over its continued sham audit. coming up next, i'll speak with arizona secretary of state katie hobbs about that. in the kind of work that i do, you are surrounded by people who are all younger than you. i had to get help somewhere along the line to stay competitive. i discovered prevagen. i started taking it and after a period of time, my memory improved. it was a game-changer for me. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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more than 120,000 ballots are to be opened to inspectors can inspect them. this after they say counterfeit ballots have been received. georgia already did three separate audits of the vote last year which provided no evidence of widespread fraud. back in maricopa county, arizona republicans are warning senators to prepare for a lawsuit over its election audit. county auditors have asked the senate and cyberninjas to keep all documents related to the 2020 recount. this after the county says evidence was destroyed. all of this is happening as arizona secretary of state katie hobbs warns maricopa county voting officials that the machines they turned over to the cyberninjas are no longer useful in future elections.

joining me now is arizona secretary of state, katie hobbs. good to see you again. thank you. you always get up so early for us and we appreciate it. we have to talk about this story. it's nuts. it's gets nutser. the one silver lining is there's a number of republican officials in maricopa county who have said to the state republican officials this is stupid. this has to end. this is the big lie, get out of our business. >> yeah. absolutely. i'm very thankful that the maricopa county board of supervisors is stepping up and it looks like they took the first step towards taking legal action. i mean, i wish she had appealed the subpoena, the ruling on the subpoena in the first place because we might not be here at this point. the fact they're doing this now is very -- i'm very hopeful about that. >> you and i talked about this a few weeks ago and the department of justice sent a letter saying we think there might be some

shady stuff going on that actually affects the integrity of elections, and that would be a violation of federal law. but you're looking at the same thing. some of the same issues, votes are being touched by all sorts of people. there are pens. there are voting machines. there are all sorts of things now that mean that you can never actually audit these ballots can. you can never do this again because it's fallen into the hands of people who have a dog in the fight. >> right. absolutely. it's not just the partisan nature of this so-called audit, but it's how they handled all the ballots and voting equipment. the chain of custody has bee broken and nobody can replicate these audit results again or conduct an accurate audit because of how the ballots have been mishandled. with the equipment, you know, we don't even know what happened to the equipment. it was locked in a room that our

equipment expert didn't have access to and that these -- that the livestream cameras that they've touted as a measure of transparency were not in the room with the equipment. so we don't know what's been done to it. >> is the answer to this? how does this end? how does it stop? >> well, your guess is as good as mine on that. i mean i am hopeful now that there will be some legal intervention to actually stop this, but if this plays out to the finality of the so-called audit, which it seems now that these folks are trying to drag out as long as possible because it has become a money-making scheme for them, but they're just going to continue to undermine confidence in our elections, perpetuate the big lie, and, you know, try to take this on the road to other states as we're seeing now in georgia. so to be honest with you, i don't know that it does end.

>> you know, dan zack wrote about this. he said in "the washington post", he said votes are still being counted in arizona. it won't change the winner but it might change america. you are talking about the state of the machines and votes being irreparably damaged and unable to be counted again because the chain is lost. the thing that might be damaged is confidence in the voting system. >> 100%. it is damaging to our democracy, not just about the 2020 election but far beyond, the midterm elections, the next presidential. we can't live in a country who people who lose elections and don't like that and can't accept that can just cry foul and tamper with everything that's in place. these folks have no idea what they're do in. they don't understand elections and how they work. when they say they're looking for counterfeit ballots or whatever, they don't know what they're doing. this is not the answer to

restoring confidence in the systems. >> so we know that, as you said, this is contagious. it is going to arizona, we've been speaking to the secretary of state in michigan very frequently about what is happening there, wisconsin. last night i spoke to the attorney general in pennsylvania. have you been talking to the secretaries of state in those states about how to keep the system safe and not have things fall out of the hands of the chain of custody? >> yes, absolutely. i have been working with a bipartisan group of secretaries of state who are very closely watching what is happening in arizona to try to make sure it doesn't happen in their states. i should add not just secretaries of states, but others attorneys general and governors as well. so lots of folks very concerned about this. i hope what we can see as sort of a tightening of laws following this to ensure that this isn't able to happen again. what we're seeing really in arizona, there is no statutory framework to handle it, which is

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roads, bridges and airports, but until the plan passes the monthly stipend will have to do and hopefully everyone who needs it takes advantage of it. more "velshi" on the way. authorities continue to pick up rioters who stormed the capitol on january 6th. the latest arrest is a member of proud boys called milkshake. can't make it up. legal trouble for the former president is mounting and now he could face jail time. the next hour of "velshi" begins right now. ♪ ♪ good morning. it is saturday, may 22nd. i'm ali velshi. we begin with out-of-this-world but all-too-real news. aliens are more believable than the gop's defense of not being in favor of investigating the january 6th insurrection and attack on the united states capitol. this week president obama revealed ufos certainly exist and there's, quote, footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what

they are and we can't explain how they move their trajectory. sadly, it isn't tough to explain the gop's opposition to the january 6th commission, their trajectory, by bashing the commission up front and taking heat now it makes it easier to down play and publicly negate a final report later that states the republican party and the dear leader donald instigated the insurrection. just 35 republicans in the house voted in favor of the commission, and a vote in the senate could come this week. although right now it appears a total of zero senate republicans are in favor of the legislation for the commission to investigate the violent mob which tried to kill them and the capitol police, hang mike pence and destroy american democracy in the process. the gop continues to claim that the independent commission, which would be styled on the famed 9/11 commission, is a partisan ploy, but it is not. >> there's been