very good day to all of you from the news center here in locks. welcome to alex witt reports. a possible independent commission to investigate the january 6 attack on the capitol. lawmakers have been publicly at large over whether one is necessary, but today a small sign of bipartisan agreement. >> we should be coming together in a bipartisan way to do a thorough investigation to make sure the second time in american history that our capitol was taken is the last time. >> the two issues are resolvable. one has to do with staffing. and i think that both sides should either jointly appoint the staff or there should be equal numbers of staff appointed by the chairman and vice chairman. second issue, i see no reason

why the report cannot be completed by the end of this year. >> new reaction on president biden's planned infrastructure bill, republicans rejected the proposal, but democrats are holding out hope. >> it is not just about addressing maintenance and moving on. it is imperative we address infrastructure to keep it safe and competitive in the decades ahead. that's what is at stake here. >> and moving day in washington, d.c. for at the national guard. today is the last day the guard will be deployed on capitol hill. they have been there since january 6. but a bulletin suggests that the threat is on going. >> it is tied to the fbi investigation saying in their

evidence gathering they are seeing signs of future violence moving forward. the threat has not diminished. some could say unless there is strict accountability, the threat might increase. >> now to monica alba standing by at the white house. what are republicans holding out for as they reject the offer? >> they are holding out for things that may never happen which is for democrats and republicans to agree on the definition of infrastructure. we know there had been a hope from the white house perspective they could hammer out common ground when it came to the traditional hard infrastructure like roads and bridges and waterways, but even that seems to be at odds with both sides continuing negotiation but the republicans rejecting the last offer put on by the president of

1.7 trillion. republicans would like to see $568 billion. it doesn't seem like there is a ton of hope. the president circled memorial day as a deadline he hoped to see progress, but the talks reached an impasse over the last couple days. in terms of what we are hearing from the gop senators, susan collins of maine said it comes down to what they can define as problems, a problem since the beginning of talks. it's not clear how this part can be resolved. >> at the heart of the negotiations is defining the scope of the bill, what is infrastructure. the democratic definition seems to include social programs that have never been considered part of core infrastructure.

i was glad the president put a counter offer on the table, but what he is doing to moving spending to a bill already on the floor, the endless frontiers bill. i think we are still far apart. >> there were four areas of concessions the white house made which the senator referred to there in terms of cutting back on some funding for research and development in addition to broadband access coming closer to what republicans wanted. but the two sides are further apart when it comes to how to pay for this massive spending. that is one of the sticking points. congress is out of session. it is not clear there will be face-to-face negotiations. it will continue virtually over the next few days. the president needs to decide whether to continue the

bipartisan talks or to urge democrats to go down the path alone which he did with his covid relief bill in march. we are not sure all 50 democrats have signed onto the bill. >> i think you hit the nail on the head. you have to agree how to define it before you decide how to fund it. that's the problem. let's go to capitol hill where the future of the bipartisan commission to investigate the attack. no gop senators have said they are in board. let's go to garrett. do you think republicans will hold up this legislation? >> it looks that way and it is a striking turnabout from the house vote which 35 republicans broke from what was an intense

campaign by republicans to keep them on board. so far on the senate side not a single republican has come forward saying they would support it. we have been hearing from republican members of the house and senate over the weekend talking about other ways they think the same information might ultimately come out. listen to this. >> i have opposed the idea of a commission immediately from the first. i think we will start waiting for a commission rather than moving forward with what we know we need to do now. there is a bipartisan effort in the senate with two committees to produce not only a report but a number of recommendations. we should be able to do that in the first full week of june. >> my party to this point has said things like it was hugs and kisses. antifa and blm and have not said

what it was, a trump inspired coup. >> you heard from a house member who voted in favor of creating the commission and roy blount opposed to one. blount is pointing to two different bipartisan efforts in the senate that should produce reports narrower in scop. and kin singer hints at another option, that speaker pelosi could is it head a committee or select a committee. these have the same problems. they are congressional parties which have by nature a partisan

field. members will have backgrounds in law enforcement, not necessarily a d.r. after their names. and it is more likely to be believed coming from a commission rather than from a partisan commission in the house. that's the problem if the republicans choose to block it in the senate. >> when you have the president donald trump at the epicenter of it. it is an interesting question. i will ask my next guest.

sir, thank you for joining me p. it's nice to see you again. let's talk about the nature of the partisanship of this potential commission. it's partisan. donald trump is at the epicenter of it. how can you get around the part of we want it to be bipartisan, not partisan. can it be bipartisan? >> i think it can be if you don't have xenophobes on both sides. pelosi is visionary in that regard. the difficulty comes when you have members of congress deeply concerned about redistricting and reapportionment and trying

to toe the party line catering to their new districts. i was there january 6 and before. the day of the insurrection someone was captured, and he had my name on the list. i am deeply concerned about getting to the bottom of this. >> again, the partisan versus bipartisan nature of this. there were some republicans who overtly cheered what happened on january 6, not a democrat. therein also is partisanship. >> everyone at the capitol that day were threatened by the insurrectionist. they were loyal to one person, many of them, donald trump. some of my republican colleagues are calling this commission into question in order to score political points. i think this is about protecting our democracy and securing our

capitol. colleagues who are deeply concerned about the future of our democracy, they should support this commission. >> what does it is signal to you if senate republicans use their first filibuster under president biden to stop this commission from happening? >> this is all about 2022. this is all about listeninges to mitch mcconnell and making sure they protect their seats, but also speaking to the trumpers still out there. many of them are afraid of being primary and many are protecting their colleagues in the house as well. there is a different game. a lot of folks are concerned about trump not only running in 2024 but campaigning against fellow republicans in 2022. >> yesterday i spoke with

representative tim kaine. take a listen to what he said. >> if they try to use the filibuster to block an analysis of why the capitol was attacked in january 2021 for the first time since 1812, i think it would convince democrats if we are going to do what the american republic needs, we may need to go it alone. >> if push comes to shove, is this what you want to see and could it impact the ability to get other legislative ideas done? >> this should be bipartisan. i want to ask my republican colleagues, why don't they want to get answers, why don't they want to talk about what happened that day. who are they trying to protect and a -- appease.

we all saw it on television. members of congress and staff are still working through that trauma. these people were not tourists. they were terrorists. if we don't get answers and some accountability, i think this will happen again, unfortunately. >> sobering. let's turn to infrastructure as the republicans are rejecting the new $1.7 trillion counter proposal. where do we go from here? at what point do you want to see the white house and democrats go ahead and move forward without republicans? >> this notion of infrastructure is bipartisan in nature. we have 40,000 roads and bridges that need to be rebuilt and repaved. we are talking about the installation of smart roads that can communicate with our

vehicles to reduce fatalities. this is a job creator. this is 15 to 20 million jobs over the next two decades. why aren't they on board? infrastructure is easy for people to understand. this is about political posturing. you can't get any more bipartisan than infrastructure and national security so why are they against this? they are concerned about 2022. >> let's finally talk with you about the release -- the reaction of the release of the police body cam video related to the death of a black man after stopped by troopers. how the death of him is affecting things. >> we have a long way to go.

the george floyd act is a first step. it's a problem when we can't believe what the police say. those reports they write out are under oath. we have to do this work. >> i'm curious your reaction to all of that. how urgent is it to get police reform to the president and are you confident a deal can be reached soon? >> i like to think so. cedric is a close friend of mine. he has had this issue with law enforcement as have i as young black men. we have bonded and shared those stories. i was arrested at 17. i was fortunate enough to have lived, but to see a police apparatus lie to the families about the nature of this young man's death is unacceptable. it solidifies what the fbi has stated, that there is a wide

racist element to law enforcement. what has to happen, that training or weeding out has to happen at the police academy. there are too many law enforcement executives turning a blind eye to these problems which is why i'm happy we have black lives matters and a multicultural effort to speak out about these. >> i appreciate speaking with you. hope you will come back again. and the familiar mr. greene. i will ask them why it took two years for the body cam video to be reese leased. cam video to be reese leased.

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it is a day of remembering george floyd as we approach one year since his death.

rallies are happening across the nation in memory of the man whose death brought outcry and reaction. who showed up to this rally and what did they have to tell you? >> alex, the george floyd movement showed up forced to. some still on site here. it was a day of reflection quite different than what we saw, the marches and months of marches in strife of a year ago. this is reflection over what has changed, but also what has not. i spoke with the brother of george floyd as well as on event organizer about the george floyd policing act stalled in the senate, and the work this country still has to do. >> we need to start talking

about the real things happening in inner city communities. we need to talk about mental health, about financial literacy, justice and how to handle people with different backgrounds and demographics in different inner cities. there has to be a real conversation. >> what is taking so long? it's obvious the time is now. the time is now. the more time you waste with this bill, the more people are still getting killed that we don't even though about. but it's still happening. once that bill is passed, these police officers have to be held accountable. >> i also asked terrence where his thoughts were just a few days before the anniversary. he said it's bizarre to think his brother has been gone for a year, but expressed love for people connected with the movement and his brother as a

whole. their call to action for culture change. as they continue to seek justice for the other officers involved in getting criminal con visions in addition to derek chauvin, they want to focus on what change still has to be made. >> thank you so much, cory. now to shaq brewster ahead of tonight's rally. what can we expect to see and hear? >> there will be likely similar pictures to what we saw in new york. you will see a rally and then a march and family members of george floyd. bridget floyd. and then it will turn from a rally to a march. this will be three days of events memorializing and

celebrating the life of george floyd. some of the conversations you are hearing, this was the park where about a month ago people gathered to celebrate the conviction of derek chauvin for the murder of george paul. let's go across the river and listen to what he said where the community goes from here. >> we have been able to go all in and double down on the body of work that frankly started before that. anyone surprised by the murder of george floyd has probably not been paying attention to events that have happened not just over the last ten years ago, but over the last 100 years that my grandfather could have told you about as well. >> you hear people talk about the push for police reform. they will visit the white house

on tuesday, the actual anniversary of george floyd's murder. they will be at the white house calling for that policing act, calling for that federal and congressional action coming from his death. there will be three dales of commemoration. today is the rally, tomorrow will be virtual organization, people encouraging others to call their members of congress to push through the legislation, and then the anniversary tuesday. we can expect people to gather across the city of minneapolis, but especially the interception that remains closed off to this day, people marking the exact moment george floyd was murdered. >> it will be a big day in minneapolis. thanks for giving us the details, shaq brewster.

>> and the reverend will be there with one big question, what has followed the death of george floyd. and it is said that they are committed to tackling police reform, after video footage was released two years after the death of ronald greene. >> this is where the police report doesn't come close to the facts of what happened. the baseline is that we get transparency and accountability in instances like this. >> joining me now is the greene family attorney. i'm glad to talk with you, lee. what was your reaction when you first saw the footage? >> it took us over a year and a half to see that footage. it was a weird sense of both

relief that we finally knew the real facts of what happened to ronald greene, and horror, how violent these officers were. it's something you come to expect from this community, but it hurts every time. >> you said it took over a year and a half. the fact is it was two years since his arrest and death. the first six months what was going through the mind of the family? was it gnawing at them that something wasn't right until they hooked up with you? >> the family was back in september and it was another six months before it was leaked to the public. the governor allowed us to see the video but did very little of

condemning these officers. the family spoke with the medical examiner said it was inconsistent with a car accident, that it was more likely he was beat with a blunt on. they saw the dirt stained and bloodstains and came to the conclusion something different entirely happened. >> you know this case is under investigation by the fbi. do you think any of this would have happened if somebody hadn't linked that footage? >> it was referred to the district attorney's office. they have had it for over two years. the problem with the federal review, number one, it happened under a previous administration that wouldn't be as gung-ho

about accountability in louisiana. even though president biden has been more proactive about investigating uses of force at a local level, those offices are underfunded and slow. we need state level solutions. the louisiana police have a policy of brutalizing people. it is an open policy that everyone knows about, that governor polis knows about and the district attorney knows about. >> what do you want to see? >> if we acknowledge this is just one example -- and unfortunately, i believe in the coming weeks we will see more examples coming out of louisiana. the question is what are we going to do about it. first, we have to be honest about the policy.

john bell edwards whose father was a sheriff, he knows in the deep south and throughout the country, if you run from law enforcement, there is a gratuitous beatdown, that reverend al sharpton spoke about. they perpetuate that de facto policy. law enforcement officers aren't entitled to protections when they perpetuate these policies against black and brown communities. recently the blue lives matter bill was signed in louisiana, a constitutional rights for police officers. black and brown citizens of

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a look at what former president were thinking of president trump. president trump called his successor a madman and racist sexist pig. joining me is the author of the

new book "battle for the soul." also a staff writer for the atlantic. isaac, i'm glad to have you here. this is a juicy book. i want to start with your reporting of president obama's comments about president trump. he goes further than i am allowed to here. he uses more expletives. >> i don't think it is any surprise that barack obama wasn't a big fan of donald trump. what he was doing in public was trying to not make that into a fight, not give trump what to work with and republicans what to work with and democrats throughout the process work on their own. a lot of that is what i trace in this book. obama's meetings with candidates and conversations along the way

which have never been recorded before is in this book. also in this book is choice language which mirrors where a lot of democrats were. obama started out thinking maybe trump won't be so bad as far as seesawing on politics and policy. but over the course of these four years and actually pretty quickly into the trump presidency is done with his understanding of trump maybe being okay. refers to him as a racist, sexist, pig, madman, words we can't say on television but you can read about them in the book. >> it is not just democrats. i always chuckle when i know how former president george w. bush was called out as donald trump was sworn in. he went, wow, that was crazy.

so it is on both sides of the aisle towards donald trump. but how much did donald trump influence joe biden's decision to run in 2020? >> the book starts on election night 2016 with obama and biden each watching trump win and reacting to it. biden had been skeptical hillary clinton could win, but he thought trump can't win. he said i am not running. he looked at reporters in the back of the room in 2017 i am not running. then he would say to people privately, if i'm walking, i'm running. and what happened in 2017 is charlottesville which changes a lot for him. by the end of 2017 he feels like

trump absolutely needs to go and what he is starting to say to people is i will not run if i think someone else can beat him. but if i don't think someone else can beat him, i will run because he needs to be beaten. >> which brings us to the fissures between kamala harris and joe biden. their relationship now is okay, but there were tense moments in the early days. who was it received by president biden and how did that help choose her as a running mate? >> she started in a giant rally. she came in as a superstar in the race. but by june of 2019, her campaign was already finding the

fund-raising wasn't going well. her poll numbers weren't coming over a middle of the pack numbers. they felt like biden was the one she had to take out. she was hesitant to be as aggressive with him as she was. but went after him on his record on busing saying i do not believe you are racist which is a line she and her team had worked out. biden was quite mad about that. he turned to pete next to him and said that was a mess of bs, but didn't use the letters. a week later jill biden was on a call with supporters and donors and she said she was reflecting the deep anger and hurt that biden and a lot of people on the campaign felt about that attack.

he said with the work he has done, to stand up there and call him a racist, go f herself. they do have a good working relationship now, but it was something that weighed in on the process of picking her as raung -- running mate, too. >> you said the relationship between president biden and president obama wasn't always as easy as people thought. >> joe biden since he had such a good relationship with president obama, that was something he wanted to model. but obama says to biden, it wasn't always great between us. you have to remember that. even though it worked out great for them in terms of their interpersonal relationship, obama was very skeptical, as a lot of people were, that biden

could handle it when he decided to get into the race. people say i'm not sure somebody of that age is good. i am really rusty, god knows how rusty joe is. he said that americans want their president to have swagger. of course it worked out for biden and obama has come to see why it did. but early out and through a lot of the primary campaign, even through super tuesday, obama was very anxious himself that trump lose and skeptical that biden could get all of the way there. >> in terms of swagger, all he has to do is put on his aviators, then i go there he is. >> a lot of people feel that way. >> he wears them a lot and he does look cool. it's a great book. thank you for coming and chatting with me. >> thank you, alex.

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slavery in history. joining me now is the assistant professor of history at georgetown and author of the book "franchise." professor, i am awfully glad to chat with you about this. republicans are calling the teaching of critical race theory divisive, but what is behind their fear of teaching about racism and using the 1619 project as a teaching tool. >> this is just a campaign strategy to undermine any attempt at not only a robust education for our children, but create such a panic that people who have no idea what they are talking about in a position to make decisions about education. >> interesting. the problem is though, this goes

further than republican legislation. you have this week alone attorneys general from 20 states sending a letter to the education secretary asking to prioritize it. i want to put up the names of all of the attorneys general who signed the letter. are you surprised that nearly 20 a.g.s signed on to this? >> i am not surprised because this is the way misinformation spreads. you suggest something is a problem and you create a fake movement behind it. i am surprised that people would actually risk their political credibility for something that is not only false but rooted in racist action that we have long seen around schools whether around the issue of desegregation. we have seen it and sex education, talking about the

aids crisis so schools are the focal point for people to try out reactionary ideas and see how they land. in light of our past administration we see how well this works as a political strategy. >> good point. i want to get your reaction to the university of north carolina denying tenure for the creator of the 1619 project. how concerned are you about influencers on this? >> it is not that unusual. this is one of the well-known. educators are putting people in position to know nothing about how higher education works and giving them the authority to

make decisions about personnel. but defunding of higher education that makes colleges and universities vulnerable to a number of cuts but puts these folks in a position where they are overstepping their boundaries and also rooted in their own political agenda. >> so how do you fix it? >> the first thing is that the republic needs to fund public education, not just higher education, but demand that state practices for appointing the overseers of institution come from people who actually know what higher education is. this is a high profile case involving a distinguished people in her field, but people are more vulnerable because of their political identity. a lot of people of color with radical political views are put in this position every day in

higher education and this is what undermines our ability to provide a quality education for students. >> it is notable that the biden administration has proposed a grant for schools to incorporate if that proposal moves forward, do you think that's enough or a strong start to change the way history is taught in america's schools? >> well, i would encourage anyone who is concerned about this issue to promote and support professional history in a number of ways. it's not just the bringing in 1619 into the school year but it's also supporting research libraries, making sure that you encourage your kids to major in history in college but more than anything else, really scrutinize what textbooks are teaching but also understanding that curriculum is rarely about the facts we teach students. it's often, unfortunately, a power struggle between ideological struggles that believes if we create a culture of robust critique of the things that this country has done and continues to do, that it

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know, are we going to close again in the fall? so there's a lot of uncertainty. sort of post-traumatic stress disorder from what we went through the past 15 months that really still exists for everybody. >> multiply that by an industry in california and nationally that has just been decimated by the pandemic. look at the numbers from the california restaurant association. about one-third of california's 76,000 restaurants and bars closed over the last year and a half. employment cut just about in half. and so what's happening now is the restaurant owners are talking about more relief. remember, there was $28.6 billion in relief that was mandated under the covid relief bill. the restaurant revitalization fund. well, that is already oversubscribed by almost three times. $65 billion requested. and, in fact, the first priority under this fund is for

women-owned businesses, veteran owned businesses and from disadvantaged groups. that -- they alone have asked for about $29 billion. so they are looking now for more aid to try and prevent more damage to this beleaguered industry. alex? >> that's going to be a challenge figuring out who gets that money and how much. thank you scott cohn. restaurant wages have hit a new all-time high of $16.28 an hour. that includes tips and could help restaurant hiring. perception versus reality when it comes to a january 6th reality. the cover being embraced by senate republicans in our next hour. next hour

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comcast business securityedge. plus, for a limited time, ask how to get a $500 prepaid card when you upgrade. call today. good day from the brokaw news center in los angeles. welcome to alex witt reports. here's what's happening at 2:00 p.m. eastern, 11:00 a.m. pacific. the u.s. senate is expected to determine whether a commission will be forced to investigate the january 6th attack on the capitol. but the prospects of getting ten republican senators to vote in favor of it is looking pretty grim this weekend. last hour, democratic congressman andre carson gave me his reaction as he calls on republicans to support the commission. >> my republican colleagues are calling this commission into question in order to score political points. so i think this is about protecting our democracy and