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action. ahead of the anniversary of george floyd's murder, what has changed when it comes to policing? we are live in minneapolis ahead. ♪♪ welcome to monday. it's "meet the press daily did the." it feels like we have reached a pivot point with profound implications for the country. take a look at all of the big developments right now. the white house negotiations with republicans on infrastructure seem to have stalled for the time being after the biden administration offered to shave $300 billion off of its multi-trillion dollar proposal. a deadline on policing reform by tomorrow's anniversary of george floyd's death isn't going to be met, even though both parties agree reform is needed.

that bipartisan agreement for a commission to investigate the siege on the capital, it's been detailed by gop legislatures. while some republicans have condemned her remarks, leadership has been quiet. the gop further embraces trump-style tactics and election lies, progressive democrats want the white house to give up on working with republicans. president biden has at times thrown up his hands about trying to understand the republican party. without them, and without lockstep support from moderate democrats, the biden agenda it appears stuck or stalled for now. the toxic political dynamics in this country appear to be present. it's unclear where we go from here. i'm joined by shannon pettypiece

and leigh ann caldwell and carlos corbelo. it's good to see you. leigh ann, let me start with you. so much is playing out on capitol hill. there was, for many republicans earlier in the year, something of a sigh of relief, even if they wouldn't say that in public that president trump was leaving the stage. there was anger about what happened on january 6th. there was an interest in getting back on track after a year of the pandemic. in the intervening five months, a lot has changed. i struggle to see how exactly they end up in a place of sweeping bipartisanship or incremental bipartisanship on some of the signature issues. what's your latest reporting on

how relationships are between republicans on capitol hill but also at the white house? >> reporter: well, i have to start by wishing you happy birthday. >> thank you very much. that's very sweet. >> reporter: now we will talk news. my reporting is that the negotiations -- let's start with infrastructure, which is the biggest bipartisan negotiation that has been going on. you put it so well that talks seem to be extremely stalled. a $1.7 trillion plan offered by the white house on friday. meanwhile, offered to the republicans while simultaneously jen psaki was telling the press publically about it. that's usually not how serious negotiations work. what seems to be happening -- this is what my sources are saying, my democratic sources think is happening and what my republican sources think is also happening is that the biden white house is engaging in these

negotiations on infrastructure for an audience of one, and that is senator joe manchin. he has said over and over that he doesn't want to go down the partisan path on infrastructure unless things don't work out with republicans. so they seem to be going through the motions in order to show manchin that they tried. republicans can't come to their place. that is just one of the many issues that we are talking about. you laid out a whole list of issues that republicans and democrats are -- have been working on or trying to get to some consensus on. politics are getting in the way, especially when you have members of the republican party, the republican study committee are telling members when they are home in their district to talk about inflation and blame the president for spending for causing what they say is inflation. the economics of this are going to become very difficult. that doesn't even include all of

the tensions among members and the fraught relationships among members up here on capitol hill since january 6th. >> it's a really demoralizing state of affairs considering the country has yet to come out of -- fully recover from this extraordinary year-long-plus pandemic. shannon, what's your reporting on the audience of one? is that how the whitehouse is looking at this? >> reporter: what administration officials have said is that they would like to see a bipartisanship infrastructure deal. if republicans were willing to come way up on their price tag and include things like electric vehicle charging stations and high speed rail and broadband and lead pipes on the white house's wish list, sure, they would like to do a big bipartisan deal. the white house does not appear,

based on their counteroffer they put our friday, to turn this into a big highway bill, which is essentially the way republicans seem to be looking at things. i do get the impression from my reporting and talking to officials that they would like to do a bipartisan deal. that's increasingly seeming unlikely since the two sides haven't gotten closer despite dozens of meetings that white house officials have been having with republicans on the hill, the staff level and the president bringing in republicans to the white house. where does this leave everything, to your bigger point and leigh ann's reporting? the white house, president biden, they're going to keep on pushing forward to try and reach something. no one is indicating talks are over, that the conversations have ended. there are no specific ones on the table. you mentioned the police reform bill. that seems to maybe have the most traction on the hill. i know your and leigh ann's

sources might have different feedback. that's the white house's perspective, it could get passed. that also has not gotten passed with the speed the white house is getting to. this president running into the problems so many of his predecessors have found themselves in trying to get things done with a congress that can't work together. it predates biden and it is an obstacle he is running into quickly in his term as well. >> i don't disagree with you about police reform. the longer it drags out, the more questions about whether they can get anywhere. lewis, to the question of timing, we are -- as leigh ann noted -- in midterm election campaign mode with republicans putting out memos about how to campaign against joe biden's economic agenda before really he has gotten a chance to enact the vast majority of what he wants to do here. i think there is some pretty wide acknowledgement, at least behind the scenes among democrats, that they probably

only have another year. they probably very well could lose the house in 2022. which puts a lot of pressure on them to get stuff done quickly. do you think the biden white house is moving fast enough? how much time should they give to these negotiations before they change their strategy? >> i think they have moved carefully under the consideration that president biden wanted to try i don't think just to talk to manchin but wanted to believe there was a chance for bipartisanship. i think he and others are realizing and seeing the message that's not true. there will be some bipartisan pieces that move through over the next year, whether it's police reform, whether it's the debt ceiling later on. one of the things that i think is critical is that the campaign season is only going to get crazier as we go along. it will be worse when we hit the summer recess. once we get through the fall, everybody will be thinking just about re-election. i think where we are falling apart is that republicans seem

to be deciding that they are better off obstructing to get bigger gains next fall. democrats are going to have to realize that they're going to have to be better off showing that government can work if they're going to do better in next year's election. >> carlos, is it about obstructing? mitch mcconnell ran that playbook against obama in 2009, the wide consensus was that it worked. eventually republicans won back the levers of government. it didn't seem to be working for him early on. he made another comment along those lines that he then had to walk back. my question is, is it about that? or is it really about donald trump? is it possible for a republican party that has clearly now time and time again refused to break with him, does that just leave us with a country that's basically ungovernable? joe biden said, we need a functioning republican party for this country to succeed.

>> the trump affect is certainly still around. it has certainly made everything worse. we have to remember what we are seeing is a script that has been followed by both parties for quite some years now. one party gets a unified control of government. the other party opposes. the party in charge pays a heavy price in the midterm elections. joe biden has the opportunity to change that script. the reason a lot of swing voters chose him in 2020 was because he said he was going to heal the country. he told everyone about how he was a dealmaker while he was in the senate. he was. everyone knows he does have a good relationship with mitch mcconnell. mitch mcdonnell documented that relationship in his book. joe biden i think still has the opportunity to change that script to at least show the american people enough effort that he is really trying, that he is really pushing these

republicans to stay at the table and to give some. of course, asking his party to do the same. if he can achieve that -- i think democrats could have a chance at maybe keeping the house and certainly the senate. it would be difficult, but at the very least, i think they could avoid the type of dramatic losses that we have seen both parties incur after having unified government for two years. >> carlos, in this context i have to ask you about marjorie taylor greene. we have the sound of her comments. i don't want to play it. she compared requests to get vaccinated to nazi germany that's astonishing to everyone familiar with those events. there have been a number of republicans who have called her out, who have said this is horrible. leadership has been largely silent about her. why is that? how can they stay silent in the

face of comments like this, especially if you look back at the way republican leadership responded when information surfaced about a democrat using tropes that were anti-semitic, how can they stand for this? >> this is still a party that lives in fear of donald trump. people cannot lead from a position of fear. that's why a lot of republicans did not vote to certify the election results, because they were afraid of donald trump. that's why a lot of republicans last week, most, did not vote for an independent commission to just find the truth about january 6th, what happened, how it happened and how we can prevent it. the party is still under the grasp of donald trump. the irony is, the american people are moving past donald trump. we know he has his base. a lot of very passionate

supporters. little by little, we see in the polling how donald trump is fading. however, when it comes to congressional republicans, especially house republicans, that fear of donald trump is still very real. it has a distortionary affect. it does not allow people to do rational things in office, which is what they are elected to do. >> leigh ann, when you and you talk to officials on the hill, they will say their base -- the polling, the numbers are showing them that republicans are not moving past donald trump. when they cross donald trump, they get punished. anyone who embraces him, can raise millions of dollars in the course -- in the case of marjorie taylor greene. how are they trying to balance this behind the scenes, republican leaders, as they try to deal with her? are they trying to deal with her at all? what impact -- personal relationships between members of congress are really at an all-time low. it's due in large part to this

woman, frankly. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. republican leader mccarthy, he says that -- that marjorie taylor greene is not a member of leadership. that's how he justified kicking liz cheney out of leadership and not doing anything to repudiate marjorie taylor greene, saying she's a member of congress. he has no oversight of her really. the relationships between members are just at an all-time low. i asked leader mccarthy about that and mentioned marjorie taylor greene and that one of her staffers went up to a member of congress, eric swalwell, and told him he needed to take his mask off, he no longer needed to wear a mask, the fact a staffer would say that to a member of congress unsolicited is something you do not see around here usually. leader mccarthy blamed speaker pelosi for the structure of congress and had all sorts of

excuses and took no responsibility for the diminishing relationships up here. i don't see -- this is something i have been talking to members especially in the house over the past couple weeks, how do you get past this? democrats say, well the other party has to justify and come to reality of what has happened on january 6th, has to repudiate the former president and has to move on. until they do that, they don't see how these relationships can get any better. it's really starting to have a lot of impact not only on how things get done, but the future and how congress looks moving forward and works on the big problems of the day, really. >> quick last word here. that reality, the poisonous set of relationships -- it's a different congress than the one joe biden served in, that he knew so well. that's not to say his deep

personal relationships won't matter. but this kind of vitriol will make it harder to enact plans he wants to go out and run for re-election on, say, look what i did for you, send me back, or you should send democrats back into power. what's the danger for him? what can he do to try to overcome that challenge? >> that's the danger, if we allow bipartisanship to get in the way of getting things done, it favors republicans in midterms and long term. the goal for the republican party has been to make government smaller, to have it be less present, less effective. whether it's from emergency response to covid response. so biden has a challenge of showing competence, which they have done very well. i think today's visit to talk about the coming storm season is hugely important, because it reminds people the government can get ahead of disasters,

ahead of keeping people safe. he has to do that. he has to score big victories, even if republicans will not help him, to be able to show government still works to keep people engaged, because republicans are going to take credit for the things democrats passed in the end anyway. look at mitch mcconnell. he will not touch the kentucky marketplace exchange program there. they took credit for the relief package. get things done and republicans will be forced to come along. >> thank you all so much for getting us started today. we appreciate it. coming up next, secretary of state blinken heads to the mideast as the delicate cease-fire there holds for another day. anti-semitic attacks are on the rise here at home. the cdc announces half of the states have vaccinated after least half of their adults.

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welcome back. secretary of state tony blinken is on his way to the middle east right now. white house announced the trip this morning saying he will travel to israel and the west bank and egypt and jordan. it comes as the fragile cease-fire is holding for a fourth day. the state department says blinken will meet with israeli and palestinian leaders to discuss the causes of the crisis and the process of rebuilding. erin mclaughlin joins me live from tel aviv. what does the trip mean for the region? what are we doing at this point to try to rebuild gaza as well? >> reporter: well, at this point, maintaining the cease-fire is seen as hugely

important for the region. according to a senior state department official ahead of blinken's visit, saying that that will be a primary focus of his tour here, solidifying that cease-fire as well as providing aid for gaza. in that briefing, the senior state department official was asked about the possibility that aid could end up in the hands of hamas, re-weaponizing hamas. he says the united states would work with the palestinian authority as well as the united nations to make sure that that doesn't happen. although, he said there are no guarantees. over the weekend, in an interview with abc news, secretary blinken reiterating the united states' support for the two state solution. take a listen. >> president biden has been very clear that he remains committed to a two state solution. ultimately, it is the only way to ensure israel's future and, of course, the only way to give

the palestinians the state to which they are entitled. that's where we have to go. that i don't think is something for today. we have to start putting in place the conditions that would allow both sides to engage in a meaningful and positive way toward two states. >> reporter: while the cease-fire is still holding, tensions remain high, particularly in jerusalem. today in east jerusalem, a palestinian man was shot and killed after stabbing two israelis. this building on clashes we saw over the weekend as well as clashes friday. >> erin, thanks for that. we appreciate it. as, of course, this crisis escalated in the middle east, tensions flared here at home. jewish groups are calling on president biden to do more in response to a recent spike in anti-semitism here in the u.s.

stephanie gosk filed this report for us detailing some of the disturbing incidents that have taken place. >> reporter: the anti-defamation league identified a 50% increase in the anti-semitic attacks since the latest conflict broke out in the middle east, including one in times square. they are calling on president biden to do something about it. in the heart of new york city, what authorities are calling an act of hate. video capturing a gang-style attack on a jewish man in times square. >> they proceeded to assault me, beat me, kick me, punch me, hit me with crutches, with flagpoles. >> reporter: the assault happening as pro israeli and pro palestinian rallies happening. police searching for a group that yelled at four jewish men and injured a car, punching and chasing two jewish teens with a

baseball bat. >> the attack on the jewish community is an attack on all new yorkers. it will not be tolerated. >> reporter: the incidents in new york are part of a rise in anti-semitism. in l.a., this attack on several jewish men outside of a restaurant resulted in one arrest. video of a separate encounter appears to show a jewish man running from people, some waving the palestinian flag. >> i felt that my life was coming to an end. >> reporter: a synagogue outside of chicago was damaged. gabby gifford writing, despite the actions, we will not be shaken. the anti-defamation league since the outbreak of violence in the middle east, there have been more than 17,000 tweets with pro-nazi references. >> bullying, brutalizing, that isn't activism. that's anti-semitism, plain and simple. >> reporter: the adl joined other jewish groups urging president biden to speak out

forcefully against this dangerous trend. the muslim community in the u.s. has also seen a rise in vandalism. an islamic center was hit with graffiti. a new wave of hate leading to new concerns across the country. the president of the muslim public affairs council in los angeles has called these attacks against muslims and jews despicable. he adds that violence does nothing to further anyone's cause. >> awful. stephanie gosk, thanks for that report. we will turn to another developing foreign policy story. four administration officials tell nbc news the location of a potential meeting between president biden and russian president putin will likely be geneva, switzerland. president biden hopes to meet with putin when he visits europe next month for meetings. in two more signs this is

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welcome back. tomorrow is the anniversary of george floyd's murder at the hands of former police officer derek chauvin. marking a full year since his horrific death caught on camera

sparking nationwide calls for reform. tomorrow's anniversary of floyd's death is the deadline set by the administration for passing the federal policing bill that bears his name. it's a deadline that lawmakers and the white house acknowledge they won't meet. instead of signing police reform into law, tomorrow president biden will meet with george floyd's family. outside of washington, there are communities that have enactio -- enacted changes. i'm joined by nbc's shaquille brewster who has been reporting on the push for reform and mark clackston. shaq, in terms of the reporting, what you have seen on the ground. what has or hasn't changed in the culture of police departments since you started covering this story? >> reporter: you know that that

federal legislation is stalled. the house passed it. the senate is still stick in the bipartisan negotiations to pass that george floyd justice in policing act. what experts point to is what's happening at a local level with states and individual police departments. they credit the activism, the protests, the demonstrations, marches like the one we attended yesterday here in minneapolis, for keeping up the pressure on state legislatures to make those changes. across the country, you have seen about 3,000 policing related bills induced in the state legislatures. more than 30 states have passed some sort of policing reform, whether that's bans to chokeholds and neck restraints, whether that's limits to different policies or updating use of force or deescalation policies or adding body cameras. that change is happening at a state level. you have activists saying it's not happening fast enough. they want to see more taking place. what you are seeing is many local departments and many

states and municipalities taking it upon themselves to enact the change that many have been calling for for well over a year now. >> mark, let's pick up right there. what's your take on some of the changes we have seen from these local departments? is it enough? >> i think the most significant change that we have witnessed is the change in the level of activism and involvement of a diverse group of individuals who are really pushing for significant, substantive change. they are pushing for revolution. the government seems untent on -- intent on pushing against that. you have local municipalities who decided to pick and choose what parts of the larger reform bills and packages, mainly the george floyd justice in policing act, just picking different parts and aspects to implement

locally. in hopes to satisfy those on streets. i suspect these group of individuals who have become energized will not be satisfied with the incremental changes. i think they believe, as dr. king did, that we are past the time of gradualism. it will no longer be sufficient. >> shaq, what's your sense of -- you are on the ground in minneapolis right now. how has the last year -- in the immediate aftermath of george floyd's death, we did see this sweeping call for justice. it seemed to be everywhere. like many of the rest of the things we have grappled with in this country in the intervening 12 months, people have become -- they come together only to eventually be divided again as time passes. what's your sense there in minneapolis of how the police department has or hasn't changed over the course of the last year?

whether you think -- is it your sense we can find reconciliation somewhere? do you frankly -- you have lost hope that's a possibility based on where we stand now? >> reporter: it depends on who you talk to. we saw changes after george floyd's murder. we saw the police department in the weeks after, they banned neck restraints and chokeholds. they updated policies in duty to intervene for other officers if they see misconduct, the duty and responsibility to intervene and stop that misconduct. back in september, they went ahead and updated their use of force guidelines. they changed things to say that when an officer unholsters their weapon, they need to explain and document that. those are changes people have been calling for. i spoke to a former minneapolis police department lieutenant just yesterday who said, we have been changing policies year after year. those are things that change all the time. it's really about what's in the officer's heart and the

community policing, changing how officers interact with members of the community. you call for a more systemic change. in minneapolis, we know people have been calling for this police department to be dismantled and dede-funded. they want it turned into an office of stopping violence. that might be up to voters on the november ballot this year. there's a lot more that needs to happen here and that is likely to happen here in minneapolis. i think when you talk to people, they understand, yes, there has been change. you talk to different people about how far that change can go and you get different opinions about how far it needs to go. everyone understands that there's a problem. what you have now isn't sustainable. >> let me ask about that. some democrats, including people like jim clyburn, senior black democrat from south carolina,

who shied away from the de-fund the police slogans in the last election because they were concerned it would alienate voters. the bill they are debating now, the big question seems to be qualified immunity and whether police officers could be held individually responsible for their actions that they take when they are on the job. what do you think is the right answer here? is chaining qualified immunity enough systemic change? do you think we have to go further to de-fund the police in ? do you agree that that hurts our cause? >> the most significant reform item that will -- call it whatever you want. those things that increase the personal liability of police officers. police operate based on a carrot and stick. you will reward or you will punish and penalize. i think if you increase officer

liability and vulnerability on a personal level, you will then have the opportunity for some significant and substantive behavior modification. i, like so many other people around the nation, are not comfortable with this flat bumper sticker of de-fund the police. it's not specific and detailed enough. i'm actually supportive of expanding the role of public safety and de-emphasizing the enforcement model of policing. i think we are past the time when that's necessary, to incorporate other professions and disciplines to provide and enhance public safety. that's the model we're going towards whether people like it or not. i'm actually supportive of those efforts. until we find a way to hold police officers individually, personally liable for their conduct, you won't see significant behavior changes. >> thank you both very much for

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we have really positive coronavirus numbers to report today. right now, nearly half of american adults are fully vaccinated. more than 60% have received at least one shot. as vaccination numbers increase, new coronavirus case numbers are plummeting. they are at their lowest since last june, nearly a year ago. hospitalizations are way down, too. this morning on msnbc, bill de blasio announced all of the public schools will be fully reopened in the fall with all of the district's children in the classroom. it comes after governor cuomo unveiled a lottery incentive to increase vaccination, which slowed across the state. kathy park is in new york city. offering a lottery ticket with a first shot. thanks for being here. this is one of the many creative ways that government officials are trying to encourage people to get out and get the shot in their arm.

>> reporter: yeah, that's right. it's a very creative program. it has a really unique title. it's called vax and scratch. you get your vaccination and you get a scratch-off ticket. there are ten mass vaccination sites throughout the we're here at the javits center, so if you decide to come to this location, you walk through little doors, you gets registered. you get either the pfizer vaccine or the one-dose j&j vaccine. behind me are folks who have gotten their vaccine. they're hanging out for about 15 minutes. then i'm going to swing over here and show you where they've headed to next. if you've gotten your first dose here, you're eligible to get a scratch-off ticket. we're told that it's one in nine who could potentially get a chance to win either $20 from that scratch-off ticket or possibly $5 million. so this is certainly a creative

incentive that the governor is pushing to increase the vaccination rates. earlier today we spoke with one woman, she is a u.s. citizen working in singapore who decided to come to the javits center today to take advantage of this opportunity. take a listen. >> i found out the minute i walked in the door, so i kind of thought the lottery was getting the opportunity to get a vaccine, and if i can never work again, that's even better. >> reporter: and we are told that the vaccination rate has slipped in recent weeks. governor cuomo is saying it's gone down about 43%, but new york is not the only state participating in a lottery incentive like this. you have other states like maryland, oregon and kentucky offering something very similar, a tax incentive to boost the vaccination rates across the country. kasie? >> kathy park, thanks very much. she seemed to think that the

lottery was for actually getting a shot. so there we go on those communication efforts being very important. let's bring in dr. hotez at the baylor college of medicine. thank you very much for being here. i actually want to start with you by asking about some of this news that might have some parents a little worried this morning. there have been some reports, rare reports, the cdc says, of adolescents having an enlarged heart after getting the vaccine. again, i'll leave it to you to say how we should think about this. we don't want to alarm people. but can you help us understand what's going on here and what people should be concerned about or not? >> yeah, kasie, it's a conditio. every summer we would see clusters of cases of myocarditis

due to the warm weather. the fact that this is occurring after vaccination, around four days, it still is going to take time to understand. is it because they got that same virus cause of myocarditis that i've been seeing for years and years, as every doc has, and it just so happens to coincide with the time they got vaccinated? that's a possibility. second, covid-19 itself causes myocarditis. could they have gotten covid-19 around the time they were vaccinated? remember, it's a rare number of cases. or could it be a consequence of the vaccine on top of having previous exposure to covid-19? all of these things need to be looked at. it's still pretty early on, and the good news is that we have an extraordinary issue of what we call pharmacovigilance, being

able to pick up rare events like the thrombotic events in oford in the case of europe. maybe this is a similar type of finding from our pharmacovigilance mechanisms and it is related to the vaccine, but it's not clear at all, and there are a lot of other explanations. >> so when we saw those events with the johnson & johnson vaccine, the fda paused its use. what might we see in this case? what action might the fda take in that regard? >> well, right now it's been hard to identify any real link to the vaccine if it is, because it's not quite as severe as a cerebral thrombotic event. luckily the fda would still advise getting the vaccine. i don't want to get too far ahead of my skis here because it's still too early on to know if there is any link and what

the basis of it is. >> can i ask you, sir, also, there's been some reporting in the "wall street journal" in particular, and this has become extraordinarily politicized, the origin of the virus itself, the coronavirus, and whether it escaped from a lab in wuhan or had any potentially human fingerprints on it, basically, or was it purely natural? what's your take on the report we're seeing from the journal that some think it's more possible than some had indicated earlier in the year? >> from my standpoint, the evidence is still not strong. i don't discount it entirely. i still think it could be the case that it either had a laboratory origin and that there was some kind of lab leak. it's still a possibility. but remember, china has a

history of covid-19 origin -- i'm sorry, of coronavirus origins. we saw this with sars in 2002-2003 when that pandemic arose out of southern china. we know there is that potential. we don't necessarily need to invoke human origins of covid-19. and quite honestly, i've not seen any really smoking gun. people have brought up the fear in cleavage sites in the virus, but we've seen that in the middle eastern respiratory virus that arose on the arabian peninsula in 2012. the fact that scientists from that institute were sick in november of 2019, to me that's not an obvious link. so i'm not discounting it, but i've not seen any publicly disclosed information that would make me think, yeah, this originated from a laboratory.

>> all right. dr. peter hotez, thank you, as always, for your expertise. we really appreciate you being with us. thanks to all of you for watching and being with us this hour. chuck will be back tomorrow with much more "meet the press daily," and you can catch me early mornings on "way too early" at 5:00 a.m. et. but don't go anywhere, jeff bennet continues after the break. the break. with spring comes rebirth. everything begins anew. and many of us realize a fundamental human need to connect with other like-minded people. welcome back to the world. viking. exploring the world in comfort... once again. this is the gap, that opened up when everything shut down. ♪ but entrepreneurs never stopped. ♪ and found solutions that kept them going. ♪ at u.s. bank,

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