devastating, and i can understand how so many families are feeling right now, friends, loved ones, individuals when an incident like this happens and when it happens here close to home. that affects us so much more deeply because of the individuals that we know, we love, we work with, our friends and loved ones. it's just extremely tragic and our thoughts and prayers -- my thoughts and prayers are with everybody. thank you. >> we're going to have mayor sam mcardle with the city of san jose speak. >> thank you. this is a very dark moment for our city and for our community. but we have already seen how people are pulling together in this very, very tough time. as officer chavez remind med, -- reminded me, these are and

were essential workers. these vta employees helped us get through this horrific pandemic. they were showing up every day to operate light rail and buses to ensure people could still continue to go about their lives amid all the challenges of the pandemic and they were taking risks with their own lives in doing so. certainly our san jose police officers and sheriff's deputies responded immediately. obviously we'll learn more through this investigation about what exactly happened and how. but i can't help but think they may well have saved more harm from happening. and, of course, we've got grief counselors already hard at work supporting families of loved ones who are suffering awful trauma at this moment. we're going to pull together. we're going to continue to work together and support our families of loved ones who have

lost so much during this tragedy. we're going to continue to provide more information as this investigation unfolds. thank you. >> reporter: does anybody have any information about how many were wounded in this? >> we're going to wrap everything up. again, this is still fluid and ongoing. we're trying to get all the information we can for all of you. at 1:30 we'll reconvene and give you more information there. >> reporter: an update on the wounded? >> an update on everything. we're doing an investigation and trying to determine what we have. we'll see you all at 1:30. >> it is 2:00 p.m. out east, 11:00 a.m. out west. i'm jeff bennet. you have been watching an update from officials in san jose, california about another mass shooting in america. authorities say at least eight people are dead after a gunman opened fire in a railyard in san jose. police say the gunman is also

dead. authorities say it was a man but they will not say how he died, if he shot himself or was killed in a shootout with deputies. we just learned a lot about that gunman, including his possible relations to the victims. he'll join us in a minute. we're also learning that more victims are being treated in hospitals, and santa clara medical center tells nbc news there is a patient there in critical condition. take a look at this. this shooting happened at the vta light rail facility, and you'll notice it's right next door to the santa clara sheriff's office. this whole thing happened just after 6:30 in the morning local time. authorities say that the deputies rushed into action. >> there was a rescue operation, so pretty much immediate action and initiated what we call the rescue task force.

they came in to assist. the big thing was public safety. >> we received information that there are explosive devices that are located inside the building. that being said, we activated our bomb squad which is currently out on scene and trying to determine -- pretty much we're trying to clear out every room and every crevice of that building so we can rest assured we can open up that building in the future. >> they are not releasing the name of the gun the shooter used. they're saying the shooting happened in the yard where the trains are repaired but not in the operations center where they're actually deployed. >> we're so sorry this happened. we are there for you. we are in the process of getting grief counselors in place to help them. vta is a family. people in the organization know everyone. this is a terrible tragedy and

we will do everything we can to help people get through it. >> joining us now are nbc reporter vaughn hillyard and nbc law enforcement analyst jim cavanaugh. vaughn, i'll start with you. eight people dead and the gunman. it's worth noting what the mayor said at the end of that press conference. he reminded us all these were essential workers, running the light rail and buses to get people to work every day. tell us what you see from the scene right now. >> this was a sustained attack at least over the course of several minutes because we know from this latest press conference that not only did santa clara sheriff's deputies enter the scene but also santa clara police department officers also entered the scene as the active shooting was taking place. there were bullets still flying when they entered this scene. we know that eight individuals, eight victims, eight employees

of the valley transportation authority are dead. we also know that there is at least one individual in critical condition at a santa clara medical facility just four and a half miles from where this shooting took place. we know that the shooting took place about 6:30 this morning. we also know that authorities are now looking at a home down the road in san jose that caught fire this morning in which it's believed that there are explosive devices inside of that home that may be connected to, may belong to the shooter. this male shooting involved here this morning. we also know this is still an active scene where the shooting took place, at the rail yard. we know the bomb dogs sniffed out an explosive device this morning at one particular facility at this valley transportation railyard. that area is still cordoned off as they are trying to identify the extent to which explosive

devices remain on scene. officials did not say if this male shooter was connected to these explosive devices, but the scene was evacuated at which dozens of valley transit authorities employees were evacuated. just to underscore the extent to which this was a sustained attack, apparently, here this morning in which sheriff's deputies and san jose police department officers arrived as this was still an active scene, an active shooting situation, there are still questions over whether this valley transportation authority employ the extent to which he was targeting individuals. we do not know that, what led to this moment. we do not know that here. but it's important to put into perspective when you're looking at these aerial shots here where this is. this is the heart of san jose which is just south of the bay, just eight miles from the apple headquarters, 12 miles from the google headquarters. this is a very diverse

community. this is a very dense community with all sorts of population centers here. this is a railyard for for workers to work on the light rail. the valley transportation authority of santa clara, this is the authority that oversees the public rail system, the bus system and components of the caltrain. what we know here is that there are at least 700 workers that work at this facility, according to congressman ro khanna who represents this district. just how many were on-site is a question still outstanding, but we know there were at least a dozen individuals that beared witness to their colleagues being killed this morning, eight victims. plus the shooter being killed here on-site at the heart of san jose. jeff? >> pete williams is with us now. pete, i understand you have new

information about the gunman. tell us what you've learned. >> several layoffs officials told nbc news that the person who carried out the shooting today was a vta employee. the santa clara sheriff's office has said that much, but the name we're given is samuel cassidy. we're told he is a fairly long-time employee of this facility. another thing that emerged from the news conference was clearly this was not some spontaneous event if it turns out that explosive devices were planted before this shooting happened. then there's the question of the fire at the other facility, which apparently was set before the shooting. at least, that's the information we have from the initial calls to the fire department. now, why this happened and specifically where on the facility it happened, we don't know. there had been some reports that there was a union meeting this morning and that that's where this started. that might account for the large

number of people who were shot if they were all in a confined space. the other thing we don't know, jeff, is what kind of weapon this person was carrying. but authorities obviously are now trying to dig into his background, trying to find relatives and family members and talking to other employees about what might have gone on that led up to this. there is a lot of work here left to do. the fbi has forensic people on the ground. they'll be helping to try to reconstruct the scene. that is a long and painstaking process. >> jim cavanaugh picking up pete's point about the work left to do. tell us how these investigations are unfolding where you have multiple active crime scenes, and where vaughn is reporting, the police investigating explosive devices that might be present. >> the sweep for the explosives take precedence over the crime

scene. once they evacuate the units, they'll do that. a bomb dog alerted on some type of package inside the facility. that could be a bomb, but it also could be ammunition. our bomb dogs, atf train's bomb dogs, they will alert on spent ammunition because they contain gunpowder. he could have planted a bomb, he could have planted multiple bombs, but he also could have had ammunition in a pouch or something that was left and the dog alerted on that. once the dog alerted, they would back out, get the bomb squad to come in, get an x-ray, decide what it is and sweep for other devices. pete reported the fire may have started before the shooting, so he may have just lit it or he could have had a time delay incendiary device. at the scene of the house they might have found a bomb, a homemade contraption, incendiary device that started the fire, and that would certainly alert

them to be looking for other devices at the scene. i think the whole information is not clear yet on whether or not there were explosives or multiple explosives. it's an open question right now. also a gun. did he have a long gun or a handgun? i would just make us all remember that in virginia tech, 2007, the killer there killed 32 people and wounded 17 with two pistols. so when you get in proximity to people in a conference room, in a tight facility, just two pistols can wreak havoc. think of the killing at the mother emanuel church sitting around a table saying prayers and you can just take out a gun and kill eight, nine, ten people, you know. it doesn't have to be an assault weapon. but if the person has access to the building, who knows what they could have in the locker there. but it does seem like there was some, you know, plan to seek revenge or seek this killing at

this moment. because we have at least the fire preceding the murder. the deputies are on scene. in santa clara county, the sheriff has a transit police division, transit police, and they provide law enforcement services to the vta, the valley transportation authority. so that's why it's the ticket here, the ticket of the sheriff's department, because they provide the law enforcement service to the train service. and, of course, their sheriff's facilities are next door. so as vaughn reported, they were there quick in san jose patrol cars downtown near there quick, so the gun battle is going on when deputies and officers go in. hopefully they put a stop to it, either killed him or he killed himself if he couldn't proceed with the law enforcement pressure on him. >> and as we gather more information about this mass shooting that transpired this morning, we should note

officials said the next update that will be given will happen at 4:30 p.m. eastern. lindsey riz reiser is on scene. tell us what you're hearing from people there, from folks who were in the building that you've had a chance to talk to. >> reporter: yeah, jeff, we've been here for several hours. i want to give you the lay of the land of where we are. the vta, the valley transportation authority facility where this happened, is behind me. it's the blue tiled building. that's really the headquarters there. this is a main hub here for this area. of course, san jose a bustling suburb of san francisco. we're about an hour away from that. we're very close to downtown san jose. this is the transportation hub where the light rail trains, the buses, the shuttles come out of, and right next door is the santa clara county sheriff's office headquarters. so just a few -- within probably the last 90 minutes or so or an hour, it's hard to tell time when there is so much going on, but we did see dozens of

employees leaving that area across the street and walking across the street here into this administration building that's right in front of me. and this is what they've called their family reunification area in an auditorium here. this is where family members are coming by to inquire about their loved ones. in fact, just within the last 10 minutes or so, i saw a couple family members walking up the stairs. i asked how they're doing, and one of them became extremely tearful, just started sobbing and just continued walking into the auditorium. of course, i expressed my condolences. we saw a dozen employees. we were talking to them as well and asking them how they were doing and if they wanted to say anything to us. a couple said they were told they weren't able to talk to the media, and others were just extremely distraught and shaken up over what they went through this morning, and who could blame them. we're working to find out more

information about what it is they saw, but because this is such a large transportation area, this is where a lot of employees come to work every day. if you can see behind me, there are solar panels. this is where employees park here, and it's right next door to the sheriff's office. that's also where sheriff's officials park as well. i'm going to step out of the way so we can see a little more of the command center here. this is where investigators have set up their command post. they're still actively working. jeff, we should mention quite an urgent part of this story is an active search for explosive devices. authorities are searching through every crack and crevice here of this building. our nbc bay area station reporter kntv's kris sanchez asked in the press conference about that search, and officials did say that bomb-sniffing dogs did track multiple explosive devices across the street from where we are. we are staying here to possibly find out more information and talk to any family members or

employees who are here as well, jeff. >> lindsey reiser, thank you for that. jim cavanaugh, after the deadliest shooting in a year, experts said we should expect an uptick as people go back to work following what has been pandemic-induced isolation. given that, how should federal government, how should private authorities guard against these kind of heinous and tragic incidents? >> well, it's a great question, jeff. we're in a contagion period where these shootings get copied and contagious to other people who may have grudges to seek out or may have criminal reasons to hurt others. so let's start with the federal government. we need a better mosaic of arms

loss. ghost guns, we need to put a stop to that. there are bills for background checks and limited capacity on assault weapons. state governments, likewise, should be working to make reasonable gun laws to don't hurt the citizens' constitutional rights but make us all safer. we don't have that. in effect what we've passed are where anyone can carry a rifle, walking around. that's just letting people purchase guns for their own grandiose reasons. this is a county transportation hub so this is a taxed building,

but the deputies provide the law enforcement services. you're going to have employees who are in stress, they're mad at something, they're disgruntled. sometimes they have a right to be mad, they may have been treated wrong, other times not. but it doesn't matter. if they can lash out at their co-workers, there is a danger. you have to have people who can identify that. you have to have some security around that can stop that. because the quicker you stop that, the less the carnage. was this person already in the building, still employed, had access? that's a different level of security. but sometimes we've seen the person just comes from the outside as a former employee or relative of an employee or has a domestic partner they want to get back at, and they just come from the outside and start shooting. we could go chapter and verse of the shootings around america that we've had those kind of events. a big business can, you know, have some security in the perimeter layered, a couple

people out there who have a long gun. it could be intrusive. they could cause trouble at the facility. they could keep an eye on things. they could have another one inside, they could have security barriers. there are security companies that provide these services, and i would say this to business people. what do you think an event like this at your business is going to cost you? an event like this in your business, even if you put the moral obligation aside to provide security to your people, it's going to cost you a lot of money. it's going to cost you lost time work, production, you're going to have to train and hire all new employees to replace those killed or shot. you're going to face multiple lawsuits from victims' families. you're going to have maybe bombs that blew up your facility, arson, bullet holes, a crime scene cleanup. you'll have a massive cash problem from your business when one of these things hit.

you should think of the moral obligation you have first to provide that security, but you'll have a huge influx if this hits you financially, too, and yet you could think ahead and spend a lot less money, provide that security and don't have these events. you'll be better in the long run. >> clint watts is with us. he's a former fbi special agent and a national security analyst for nbc. clint, give us a sense of how the fbi is likely assisting this investigation. this shooting, based on what we know, transpired during a union meeting, so how are investigators processing the scene and interviewing witnesses given that there were likely multiple witnesses in the room as this meeting was happening. >> that's right, jeff. it's an expansive effort, and i'm sure they're going out and trying to connect with everybody both in terms of the organization but also friends and family where this attacker was from. it seems that he had a lot of

premeditated ambitions. he planned this out. if there is explosive devices, that takes it to an entirely different level. as jim noted, were there video cameras? all the methods in terms of developing explosive devices, whether it was at home or a garage or someplace else will all be very instructive of any potential connections. i think that's where the fbi always comes in, which is cross-jurisdictional. as jim pointed out, this is many law enforcement agencies and overlapping ones due to the fact that this is a transportation hub. and when you have that, that's when the fbi can really bring together a task force and organize and coordinate what actions and who is doing what. this is also a place where the fbi can step in and bring in natural resources, so this is everything from indexes and databases to connecting with experts in different disciplines and domains, things like the

unit and work with the atf who really has that expertise in terms of explosives and ammunition and weapons. so i think they're really the connective tissue to bringing a lot of different agencies to bear, and right now i'm pretty certain they're trying to make sure, one, they identified any and all explosive devices or potential threats of public safety. the second part is just to make sure this is an isolated incident that's not connected to a larger group. i think third, as jim pointed out, you were talking about contagions, jeff. in the coming days, we've seen the rules of 3's and 4's. when we had attacks in april, we saw one a week for a period of four or five weeks in a row, and this is what's most concerning to me moving forward from today, is after this horrible incident, will we see that contagion threat again, will more follow? i think it is indicative of the fact that people are going back to work, they're going back to

gatherings, transportation is picking up. travel has increased dramatically just in the last few weeks. i think it could make for a scary summer if that if this contagion effect carries on. >> let's go to jake ward who is outside the suspect's house. jake, what are you seeing? >> reporter: we are here in a suburban neighborhood of san jose. the suspect did own the home. you can just barely catch sight of it behind me. at this point multiple emergency services have converged on this location. we have not only the police and fire department but a bomb squad you see with the truck behind me and went into the house. there have been multiple reports of things like bomb dogs being deployed. it's not clear at this point when the fire was set, but it seemed to be early this morning. those are the details we have

here. >> nbc's jake ward. as we continue to follow this breaking story, i want to bring in former congressman ric. he's senior adviser and director to the white house public engagement. thank you for your time this afternoon. i want to first get your reaction to what has been another mass shooting in this country. i understand the president was briefed on this. previously he took executive action on gun reform, he's called on congress to pass legislation, but there does not seem to be a will in washington to confront this contractible problem head on. >> reporter: it's time. it's been time. it's a real failure to meet the needs of the american people. that's why the president did executive orders. there are bills sitting in the senate that the senate could take up and pass to protect people, protect families. there are eight families that have lost a loved one today.

as a country, we should be outraged. we should not only offer our prayers and condolences and our thoughts, but we ought to offer some action and do things to prevent this. we're talking about everything from making sure we ever red flag laws, reduce the size of cartridges, ban assault weapons, bigger background checks, closing the loophole. doing all those things to protect american lives. it's time. we've contacted congress with what we want done, but this is a problem and we need to come together and face it. >> let me ask you this. how is president biden willing to use his political capital on this issue of gun control legislation? >> we think sensible gun reform keeps families in place. the president has talked about it consistently and he's done it

in the past. he took on the nra. he passed an assault weapons ban and it's time for us to get another assault weapons ban in place. that ban also limited the size of the ammunition cartridges. what that does is it prevents the ability to have so much carnage in such a short amount of time. it gives law enforcement officers a chance to get there. sometimes our law enforcement officers are outgunned by the criminals. we need to make sure we protect our communities as best we can, and those are the things the president is asking to partner with congress to do, and demanding they take action on the bills they already have because we know it will protect human life. >> i want to ask you about police reform since that's the issue we invited you on the program to speak about before this tragedy unfolded in california. the president hosted members of

the floyd family at the white house. he told them there would be some kind of agreement after memorial day. this needs 10 people in the senate to pass. are you concerned that bringing along republicans could have the consequence of watering down the accountability provisions in this bill? >> no, i don't have that concern. look, this is the legislative process. we need to find ten republicans to come along, at least. but senator scott, senator booker and representative bass are working hard, and they're saying the conversations are meaningful, they're substantive, and they're all working towards getting to yes. even lindsey graham said most recently that he wants to get to yes. i think everybody is negotiating in good faith trying to get to a substantive bill that one would honor the memory of george floyd but more importantly would stop the carnage that we see on the streets in terms of the

interactions between police and the communities they police. we have too many hardworking police out there and we need to make sure there is trust, transparency and accountability in policing in this country. >> i'm told there are ongoing discussions right now around the possibility of modifying qualified immunity, keeping it intact for individual police officers but allowing lawsuits against police departments to move forward. what's the white house message to progressives, to democrats who support president biden who say they won't vote for this bill unless those protections are removed entirely? >> i would say let the negotiators do what they're doing. let them work on the strongest possible bill that they can come up with. the president supported the george floyd bill as it left the house. and we want the strongest bill that we can make. i think you have to give the negotiators the ability and the space to get together to come out with a bill that is both meaningful and substantive.

>> as we wrap up here, i want to ask a question that draws on your experience in congress. before you were senior advisor to the president, just so folks know, you spent ten years in congress representing louisiana. you had a reputation for working across the aisle. you and steven scalise, as i understand it, are good friends. mitch mcconnell in the senate said 100% of his energy is going to be devoted to blocking the biden agenda. we know pretty much where house republicans stand when it comes to working with this president. given your recent experience, how do you advise president biden? what do you tell him when he talks about wanting to do bipartisan deals on infrastructure, on immigration potentially, on police reform? >> well, those things will need bipartisanship, but what we're doing is we're devoting 200% of our time to make sure we defeat covid-19, make sure we bring this economy back, make sure we build back better and invest in american families. we're focused on the things we absolutely can control, and that is how do we help the american

people? if mitch mcconnell's number one objective is to make sure we don't help the american people, then i think the public demand will force them to come around and show some bipartisanship. but right now we're engaged in meaningful negotiation. republicans are on our infrastructure plan. we passed a $1.9 trillion rescue plan, and we'll continue to move in a bipartisan way until that effort is futile. right now what we're seeing is waiting for a counteroffer from the republicans. they came up $50 billion, we came down 550 billion. so now the ball is in their court, and we're going to see what they offer in compromise and then we'll take it from there. >> cedric richmond, senior advisor to the president and director of white house public engagement, really appreciate your time this afternoon. thank you. >> thank you. we're going back to our lead story and joining us now is san jose fire battalion chief

jeffrey fielding. chief, if you could, take us through today from the first reports of this shooting to now. what has the response been, and what else can you add to our understanding of what transpired this morning? >> good morning. so early this morning we got three incidents dispatched pretty closely together, one of which was the shooting, two of which were structure fires. at 6:36 a.m., we received a 911 call from a passer-by reporting a house fire, and that was the fire that i was dispatched to. upon arrival our crews were faced with very heavy fire conditions, so we decided to fight the fire defensively or from outside the house. we also had one of the neighboring houses catching on fire. a second alarm was called and canceled briefly after that. about 7:30 a.m., we knocked down this fire. again, we were faced with very heavy fire conditions so we remained outside the house. no injuries to firefighters, no injuries to civilians reported,

so really the best possible outcome we could have here with what we were dealing with. like i said, we were simultaneously dispatched to the active shooter event and another multi-alarm fire in our south downtown area. so our department was stretched thin and a lot of challenges we face this morning. >> san jose fire battalion chief jeffrey fielding, we appreciate your time, especially as this investigation unfolds. coming up next, the manhattan district attorney has convened a grand jury into his investigation into the trump organization. one of the reporters who broke that story for the "washington post" joined us coming up next. n post" joined us coming up next

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we're following breaking news out of new york where a trump investigation has entered a new advanced phase. manhattan district attorney cy vance has convened a grand jury

that, should prosecutors bring charges, will in turn decide whether to indict trump executives, including, of course, donald trump himself. that's according to two familiar with the department and one of the washington reporters who broke that story will join me in a minute. some context here is important. the manhattan da's office has been investigatingimpropriety, and that could include falsifying business records as well as tax insurance fraud. a grand jury doesn't necessarily mean that indictments are forthcoming and the trump organization has denied any wrongdoing. trump called this a politically motivated witch hunt. joining us now, "washington post" reporter, david ferenthal,

one of the reporters who broke this story and cy vance. david, we'll start with you. help us to put the area of focus on this case and how cy vance, the manhattan d.a., are using millions of documents in his possession as a road map to build this case. >> there has been a lot of secrecy around this investigation, the parts we know and the parts we don't know. the parts we know is he tried to get a better deal on his loans and minimize the value on his properties, perhaps improperly, to get a break on his taxes. as you said, vance got something this year, something no one got, a million pages, all of donald trump's tax returns plus the preparation of those returns. who knows what he found in there. he hasn't given us a sense of

what he found in there that's interesting. we may never know that unless charges are filed, if they ever are. >> is the thinking here that he could be brought before this grand jury and he could potentially turn state's evidence against donald trump? >> that's certainly the hope of the d.a. we reported that the d.a. wants alan weisselberg to flip and be a witness against trump. you can understand why. if they're going to prove criminal action by trump, we have to find intent. did he know it was wrong and did it, anyway. if you could get weisselberg to testify against trump, you might open up a window of intent that might help in any criminal charges. >> for us lay folks who are not successful lawyers like yourself, give us a sense of a significant investigation moovlg to the grand jury phase.

what are the next steps here? >> a grand jury has considerable executive power. they can issue subpoenas for testimony and for documents. and they're super secret so that people who are innocent aren't implicated and so witnesses can come testify without fear of reprisal or public humiliation or embarrassment. that's the tool prosecutors will also use to get an indictment. a grand jury is involved. it's called a grand jury because it's a bigger jury. the one you see on tv is a petit jury, 12 people. but the grand jury has the power to investigate and ultimately to indict. it doesn't mean for sure that anyone, particularly trump, is going to be charged, but it's an indicator that a prosecutor thinks there is smoke and possibly fire. >> so drawing on your knowledge of new york criminal law, what charges are possible for donald trump or any of these trump organization executives? >> new york has its own tax

fines. criminal tax fraud is a class b felony so that's years in prison, but it goes all the way down to falsifying business records, which we've heard a lot about. if i'm the prosecutor in new york, i am not filing my lead charge as falsifying business records. because, number one, that's not the most serious of crimes, but number two, you're going up against a very formidable defendant, and in this case, they would need to show not only that these documents are fraudulent, but that somebody knew about it, and that somebody is the target they want to go after. if that's trump, maybe that's who it is. >> danny cevallas and david fehrenthal, appreciate you both. the democrats want to investigate january's insurrection. they're making a plea to republicans. e making a plea to republicans. s.

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here's what we know. at least nine people are dead in a mass shooting at a railway yard that includes eight victims plus the gunman who is also dead. we know there are more people injured and being treated at hospitals. at least one of them is in critical condition. our justice correspondent pete williams is reporting via multiple sources that the suspect's name is samuel cassidy, a long-time employee of the company where he opened fire. right now authorities are searching the scene and looking for possible bombs and also searching the suspect's home. we have correspondents in both places. we'll, of course, bring you any new information as we get it during this hour. meantime, the mother of a fallen capitol police officer wants to meet with every republican senator on capitol hill. gladys sicknick, mother of brian sicknick, is asking for those meetings to get a bipartisan vote for an investigation for

the insurrection. she said, quote, i suggest that owl congressmen and senators who are against this bill visit my son's grave in arlington national cemetary and, while there, think about what their hurtful decisions did do those offers r officers who will be there for them going forward. lisa murkowski and mitt romney are the only ones planning to vote for the commission. we have leigh ann caldwell. gladys sicknick went on to say this. she said, not having a january 6 commission to look into exactly what occurred is a slap in the faces of all the officers who did their job that day. how are republicans responding to this, leigh ann? >> reporter: republicans i spoke to said it would be a slap in the face necessary don't meet

with glad i can sick -- gladys sicknick. they said they would if it passed their desk. last week they were talking about the structure of the commission but yesterday mitch mcconnell made it very clear why he doesn't want to support this commission, saying it is inherently political and will be used as a political ploy by democrats, especially leading into the midterm elections next year. now, a senior republican aide told me that democrats want to continue to talk about the former president next year in the midterm elections, and republicans don't. they want to move on. they don't want it to be a focus, and so there is nothing good, they think, that can come out of the commission. they said the truth is already known, we are all here, we saw what happened. so, jeff, it does not look like, despite the fact that gladys

sicknick is making her pleas on capitol hill that it will change any minds up here. >> leigh ann, thanks to you. after nearly a week of silence, house republican leaders finally came out in a coordinated effort to denounce congressmember marjorie taylor greene. she said they did not see jews in the holocaust. after stripping her of her responsibilities, she recused democrats. joining us is jake sherman. we should point out that what marjorie taylor greene wants, and that by continuing to report on her, it gives her what she's seeking. when you have a high-profile incendiary republican making comments about masks and the holocaust, it's worthy of

attention. what is happening here? >> reporter: we struggled how to cover this at "punch bowl news" and we're a small operation so it wasn't much of a struggle. marjorie taylor greene is not dispositive in any way to legislating. she is a marginal member deep in the house minority who is not on any committees and who has, again, no sway nor influence on the leadership. but she compared america, america's vaccination policies or some private businesses -- it's tough to know what she's even saying -- some private business vaccination policies to nazi germany. and that is newsworthy because any comparison to a genocide that killed 6 million people and millions of others, 6 million jews and millions of others, is newsworthy. that is not language that is acceptable for any public official. and, frankly, the leadership,

kevin mccarthy, steve scalise, mitch mcconnell, for example, have to respond. we asked them to respond, they all did respond. i will point this out. kevin mccarthy said it's not fair to hold people accountable for actions that they took before they were a member of congress. that's what was at issue with marjorie taylor greene in the last round of punishments when democrats stripped her of her committee assignments. if somebody said something while they're in office, that is fair game, and i think a lot of people are asking, democrats and republicans alike, these are comments that she made while a member of congress, comparing america or the government to nazi germany. did it two days in a row. and democrats have already lined up to censure her which is the biggest slap on the wrist you can have as a member of congress. >> kevin mccarthy said he wants to be president, so it's important to look at it through

that prism. do you know why it took five days to condemn her language? did he have to check in with donald trump first or what? >> i think i missed the first reference. i don't know why, but i only saw the one yesterday. when i went to them and asked them for comment, i think they were back to me in a couple hours or a short period of time. i might have missed the first one because i assumed it was on twitter. any time you call out a member of your own party, it's difficult, but it shouldn't be difficult here, obviously. >> and, jake, if mccarthy is faced with the decision to have to expel marjorie taylor greene, she represents the base of where the republican party is right now. how do you think he would navigate that decision? >> reporter: expulsion is two-thirds of the house of representatives, and that's a pretty high threshold to meet. i think it would be very difficult -- i don't know about very difficult, but it would be difficult to meet that, and i

think even democrats would have some trepidation about expelling her, to be honest with you. i think they would think it sets a precedent. it's a slippery that he would it is a slippery slope and once you do this, it will be fair game to do it, you know, for anybody. you know, i would obviously say that comparing america free country to a genocidal regime is not akin to anything. and i'm not suggesting that they expel her, but there is no parallel here. >> absolutely. jake sherman, appreciate you. coming up next, texas governor greg abbott calls it the strongest second amendment legislation in that state's history inside the new bill that throws just about every handgun

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it hits his desk later today. and then it could go into effect september 1. and it does more than just take away their requirements for having a permit to own a hand gun, it the does away with the existing measures in place if you were to buy a handgun today and that would require submission of finger prints, a written exam and also a proficiency test as well. and it is the lack of those last two measures that has measures of law enforcement concerned because they believe that while this permit is not required to own a shot gun or rifle, they think that it is important to have that kind of training in place if a civilian will go out and purchase that handgun. and in addition to the fact that they could be encountering more people in emergency situations that have guns out without there being able to tell who the good guy or bad guy is. and let's take a listen to what a representative told me

yesterday. >> you might go to a scene and now you have three, four, five people that are openly carrying a fire amp and you don't know if they are legally supposed to be carrying that fire amp. and so it makes the job of a police officer ten times harder than it is when there is such a cloud hanging over a police officer. >> reporter: and he says that it would likely see increased training when they encounter it in the field. and texas is joining about 20 other states with what advocates are calling a constitutional carry with no permit required. >> and thanks to you. thanks for spending the hour

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