you can always follow me on social media. i will be back at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. joy? >> thank you very much. appreciate you. have a great evening. good evening. we begin tonight with the reckoning that's looming for donald trump now that a grand jury has been impanelled in new york. first, let's re-visit the curious case of steve bannon. trump's former campaign strategist. remember him? bragged about making breitbart the home of the white nationalist alt right? he was the architect of the america first brand, the so-called economic nationalism grounded in anti-immigrant, back to the early 20th century working class that put trump in office in 2016. he capitalized on that to become a leader voice of the extreme

right. last august, bannon was arrested aboard a not so working class 150-foot yacht off the coast of connecticut and charged with conspiracy counts of fraud and money laundering. he and friends had allegedly schemed to defraud hundreds of thousands of people. instead, they siphoned the money off for their own personal use, scamming trump supporters to enrich himself. in other words, bannon preyed on the same disaffected working class voters that he and trump claimed to represent. of course, trump doesn't care about those people any more than bannonbannon. not so much the fellow departments who face charges or the trump diehards who stormed the capitol. the judge in bannon's case

dismissed the indictment against him. she cited the precedent that a pardon implies guilt. if there be no guilt, there's no ground for forgiveness. it may imply a confession of guilt. let's take a moment to remember that a presidential pardon only covers federal crimes. it cannot protect a would-be department from state charges. it just so happens a state probe still looms. the manhattan d.a. picked up where federal prosecutors left off along with the new york attorney general who teamed up on the case. if that sounds familiar, that's because they have been investigating donald trump and his company for criminal fraud. vance has now assembled a grand jury to weigh charges. in other words, it's falling on new york to not only clean up the mess that trump's business left, but that of his associates, too. we have known that trump has long been a professional scam

artist, even before he entered politics. had bannon not been so successful running his campaign, trump might never have been president and might not have attracted the scrutiny that he is now under. by winning the presidency, which since nixon has come with a tradition of showing your taxes, you might say he drew the eye on himself. at the same time, also thanks in part to bannon's help, trump has millions of cult followers who are willing to believe anything he says. consider that a majority of republicans, 53%, believe that the big -- believe the big lie that trump actually won the election and that he and not joe biden is the true president of the united states. they have gulped down the kool-aid to become willing participants in trump's grift. it's part of trump's defense. he is using his voters as cover in an attempt to escape

accountability. reacting to the news of the grand jury last night trump said, this is an affront to the almost 75 million voters who supported me in the presidential election. really, donald? the potential crimes under scrutiny have nothing to do with the presidency. this arise from his private business dealings before he was even president. that's the latest extension of the big lie that prosecutors and now the country must grapple with in order to see that justice is done. joining me now is suzanne craig, investigative reporter for "the new york times." glen kerschner, former prosecutor, and tony swartz and co-author of "trump, the art of the deal." tony, donald trump is trying to hide behind his cult. no, they are coming after you. no, they are coming after you, not your voters. there is nerves in the air in trump world. this is different, a little bit of this. it feels different than the legal issues surrounding trump

because there's a pressure on allen weisselberg to flip and interviews are expected to begin soon. how do you think trump is reacting to that? >> well, let's be clear. first of all, thank you. i haven't seen you since trump lost the election to biden. i have been happily in retirement. i got on the call today and i'm slightly depressed because i didn't want to talk about donald trump anymore. but i couldn't turn you down. >> amen. >> what i think is that trump has been -- has been under this kind of pressure for so long. it is taking this particular form now, potentially a criminal form. i underline potentially. there's no guarantee that this grand jury will indict him. this is a man who has never been criminally indicted even though he has been committing crimes since he was at least a

teenager. the idea that we are suddenly going to get him or that he is in some sort of terror because the feds are coming after him, i'm not sure i really buy that, joy. i think, yeah, he is concerned. but this is par for the course for him. he loves the fact that we're on here talking about him. >> yeah. he has gotten away with a lot, glen. that's a very important point. probably would have continued getting away with it. vance wasn't looking to get him before he was president. he raised himself and made himself more vulnerable because he was president. that said, if he is thinking he is going to get away with it like he always does, people around him might not be that confident. prosecutors have told at least one witness, begin preparing for grand jury testimony. we can start seeing that testimony beginning. i will note michael cohen wouldn't comment on whether he is the witness in question. he said he couldn't make comments when he spoke with my

colleague earlier. do you think that the squeeze on someone like weisselberg might change the trajectory of what is normally trump getting away with everything? >> joy, first of all, a degree -- i agree that the d.a. empaneling this extraordinary grand jury, which will sit for sixs as opposed to four weeks doesn't guarantee trump will be indicted. it's clearly the last stop on the road to an indictment. every data point we have seen from the district attorney's office trends toward indictment, whether it was the two-year battle to get his tax returns and his financials, two trips to the supreme court, they finally got ahold of it. they spent considerable new york taxpayer dollars hiring an expensive forensic accounting firm to help them unravel those documents. they then brought on board an

expert mob former prosecutor as part of the team. now they have empanelled a special grand jury to hear all the testimony of the witnesses and lock them in. that's what's most important when you are putting witnesses in front of a grand jury, what you are doing is creating the blueprint for your criminal trial. because once that testimony is under oath in an official proceeding, it can then be used as substantive evidence at trial. if those witnesses get scared or they conveniently forget stuff that otherwise would have incriminated donald trump, guess what, their grand jury testimony can be used to convict donald trump. every single data point is trending toward indictment and this grand jury being empanelled is the last stop. >> we started with steve bannon, suzanne. thank you, welcome to the show. there is a similarity to the way the grift has begun to work on

the right. they get these working class -- mainly white working class voters hopped up on things like fear of immigration, fear of cultural change, culture wars, everything, trans kids playing sports. the next thing is there's a grift, ask for money. if you look at the daily ask for money, it's all about finding ways to enrich themselves. they care about getting rich. people are getting rich off of these grifts. let me read you to you. you wrote this last september about trump's taxes. the tax returns that mr. trump has fought to keep private tell a story different from the one he sold to the american public. his report to the irs portray a man who takes in hundreds of millions of dollars a year. he has more successful playing a business mogul than being one in real life. he is not successful and rich. i wonder if we now are at the

point where the grift which was trump pretending to be rich but saying to the tax man, i am broke, has that run out of steam? is he somebody who is kind of broke and that maybe prosecutors are trying to take down a billionaire who doesn't exist? >> it's a great point. he has a lot of pressure on him. he has businesses that we have seen, because we have had his taxes up to 2018, aren't doing well. covid happened. a lot of people have forgotten in this, he is facing an audit with the irs that if it goes against him could cost him more than $100 million. that's on top of everything going down with vance and the manhattan d.a. and what's going on with the new york attorney general. that could be huge. he has a lot of things he is balancing. one of the things i don't hear him talking a lot about day to day is his businesses. he seems to be doing a lot of things and those aren't as present when you are hearing him talking about what he is up to.

>> right. i think that's because his businesses, as you said, don't typically do well. tony, everyone's luck runs out. this guy has been lucky in he has been able to pretend to be successful for a long time. it got him into the white house. i don't think anybody's luck stays -- runs forever. does his? >> again, i'm not sure. will karma catch up with donald trump? i don't know. i do believe that he is now translated and made contagious his way of looking at the world. so we are seeing it across the far right republican, josh hawley and ted cruz, ron desantis. i think they picked up that -- picked that banner up. i think that those 75 million people who voted for him or whatever percentage are his diehards, are still, if donald trump tells them he is rich and

he is actually in a homeless shelter, they will believe that he is rich and he has chosen to be in a homeless shelter. i think the issue of truth -- trump has now made it official, the truth for donald trump and for anybody who wants to support him is absolutely irrelevant. it's all about what he can make people believe. >> that's not the way it works in court, glen. i want to -- to that very point, to pick up on tony's point, jennifer weisselberg, his daughter-in-law, she wouldn't say whether she's expected to testify. listen to what she did say. >> do you have any expectation you would provide testimony to this grand jury? >> you know, yesterday i was rocked by the news. it took my breath away. they don't tell us was going on inside the investigation. it's a good look at how the

judicial process works when it's not influenced. out of respect for the investigation and for my own safety, i think it's best that i don't discuss that at this time. >> glen, i was struck by, and for my own safety. donald trump's supporters have shown they will commit violence against our democracy and other people to get donald trump to win. if you are a prosecutor, would that worry you? >> yeah. i think there is a threat of violence. in the statement that donald trump made -- we have seen this movie before. what did he put out a statement saying in response to vance's announcement that there is a special grand jury being empanelled? he said, this is an affront not to me, to my 75 million followers, supporters, voters. what is he doing? he is trying to pull them in his criminal orbit. he is sending a signal, if i get indicted, you are figuratively

getting indicted. what are you going to do about that? we have seen this movie before. he did it on january 6th when he lost the election. he riled up, incited his supporters and he pointed them in the direction of the capitol and he told them, go stop what's going on in that building. this is him doing the same thing all over again. it's dangerous, frankly, his rhetoric is obscene. we should stop the momentum of the big lie by charging the big liar with the crimes he has committed. >> final question to you, suzanne. you have done so much reporting on his taxes. it seems that these financial crimes and the tax avoidance is his achilles heel at this point. you wonder if you think an investigation like that doesn't seem like one that will go away because of politics or threats. your thoughts? >> i think there's going to be some formula where they -- they are not unaware of it.

they are moving towards it looks like some sort of indictment. we could see some of them coming sooner rather than later. i don't think they will come all at once. they have six months. vance is not running for re-election. he will be out of office this year. i think that's the timetable everybody is now thinking about. >> absolutely. he is a lame duck. but that does not mean he is not dangerous to donald trump's future. good to see you, even under these circumstances. coming up, the first black woman to lead a white house press briefing in 30 years. >> i appreciate the historic nature. i really do. i believe that being behind this podium, being in this room, in this building is not about one person. it's about what we do on behalf of the american people. >> we will talk about her historic day, the biden agenda, the president's meeting with the floyd family and much more.

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as republicans across the country continue their strategic assault on our democracy, republicans on capitol hill are working diligently as mitch mcconnell put it on stopping this new administration. infrastructure talks between the white house and a group of republicans are sputtering. tim scott told the pbs news hour that congressional negotiators have three weeks to deliver a deal on the george floyd justice in policing act. what he left unsaid is whether he can deliver ten republican senators to vote for the bill.

earlier today, karine jean-pierre made history when she took questions about many of those very issues. she's the first openly gay white house spokswoman and the first black woman to hold the podium since judy smith and the inspiration for the character on "scandal." guess who showed up at the white house to give her congrats. judy smith herself. that's pretty cool. joining me now is white house deputy press secretary karine jean-pierre. i am so -- i'm going to lose objectivity and say i'm so proud of you. i have known you so many years. you were always one of our favorite guests and became a friend. i was elated watching you today. the yellow dress popping. you did a great job. fabulous. i know your mom is super excited.

>> yes. you have met my mom. you know how she is. >> i have. she's adorable. between you and kristin clark who -- she's the first black woman to head the department of justice civil rights clark, history made all around. one second to say, how do you take that in making that history? >> you know, joy, i stand on so many shoulders. it's not just me. it's so many people that has come before me. you mentioned judy smith, who surprised me today and showed up at the white house. it was super kind of her. we showed bipartisanship. she worked for a republican. i think it was amaing to meet her and for her to support. i want to say you mentioned kristen clark. there's something about this moment that we are in, the diversity, the movement of black women and where we are in different positions. this is an administration that

is the most diverse administration ever. this is a promise the president made on the campaign, the president made kept. it was an honor to talk about kristen clarke and the history she made by being sworn in and clearly the bipartisanship that she got coming out of committee and this position that she's stepping into. there's just so much here to point to. we have clearly the vice president kamala harris. this is a really a moment to be proud of in this country. this is a place -- a white house, this administration, that i couldn't be prouder to be part of. >> that's the good side. you are facing an uphill climb. yesterday was the anniversary of george floyd's murder. there was a deadline that the

president put he wanted the george floyd policing act done by yesterday. it didn't happen. tim scott said it's a couple of weeks. not clear whether he will deliver on those ten votes. there's great pictures from yesterday. the family in the oval office. we will show some of those pictures. is this going to be able to become law? is it going to wind up on president biden's desk? >> let me first say the reason why the president gave that deadline is because he wanted to show how important the george floyd act was and how much he was putting that on the front burner. he used one of the biggest moments in the first 100 days of a presidency, the joint address in front of congress, to lift that up and to use his platform to say, now is the time. we are losing too many lives. we need to have police reform. i just want to make clear, this is -- he saw this as a moment to

lift that up. he did that. yesterday was a tragic day. it was not a celebration. it was a tragic day. we lost a life a year ago to something that was devastating for millions and millions of people. but also for a black community, we know what this means. we have seen this before. it really moved the president when he met the george floyd family last year on june 8th, right before the funeral. he had really connected with them. you showed that amazing picture. he wanted to make sure he connected with them. it was a private meeting. he wanted to continue to show and to tell them that he is 100% behind getting this done. to your question, joy, he is pleased there's a bipartisan effort. you have senator tim scott, who is a republican.

you have senator cory booker, a democrat. you have congresswoman karen bass, who are the champions of this, who are working together. he wants to give it the space that it needs so that this can move forward. we have to be hopeful when he is going to continue to work with them as much as he can. but also give them the space to come up with a bill that could be passed and that he can sign into law. we will continue to work that. >> you used the b word, bipartisanship. here is the challenge that a lot of those of us observing what's happening in washington have. whether it is s-1, trying to secure voting rights against a republican party that's anti-democracy, that's pro-sedition, backing up what happened on january 6th. whether it's infrastructure, which you think everyone could agree on infrastructure and wanting to rebuild our country. go on and on. republicans are not coming to the table. they're not. they don't want do anything that

would enhance or help president biden move forward. joe manchin on the other side saying, i can't get rid of the filibuster. he will stand up for the filibuster more than for voting rights, more than anything. is the white house realistic about whether your agenda can get done when you have an anti-democracy party and you have democrats who are more concerned about the filibuster than about progress? >> a couple of things there, joy. as we know, this last election was about saving our democracy. right? that was a big part of electing joe biden. one of the things that he understands, it's going to take time to bring everyone together. we have to make the effort. when it comes to infrastructure, when it comes to the plans that he put forward, the american people want to see some bipartisanship. this is what we're trying to do. infrastructure is incredibly popular. this is something that democrats want. independents want. republicans want, at least voters.

they want to see that. what the president is proposing are really bold, historic ideas, historic plans to really invest in this country, invest in people and create jobs, good paying jobs. this is what is at the top of mind for the president of the united states. president biden, he wants to make sure that we're moving forward and not leaving anybody behind. this is why we put equity in the middle -- at the heart, i should say of every plan we put forth. we have seen some bipartisanship. there has been some good effort that has been brought from both sides, from republican senators, we are waiting to see what their counter proposal is tomorrow. there is room to see if we can get to a bipartisanship. we will continue to work that. because this is too important. the president says this all the time. the only thing -- his red line

is inaction. we cannot have inaction, because after what we have seen this past year with this pandemic, with this economic downturn, we have to build back better than we were even a year and a half ago. we have to invest in our communities to that have been left behind. that's what is at play here. it's the american people that he is working for. the american people he will deliver for. >> you remain hopeful. that's a good thing. somebody has to be hopeful. >> we have to. we gotta keep working. we gotta keep working, joy. >> we will keep watching. karine jean-pierre, proud of you. congratulations. she's great. arizona republicans have opened a new front in their war on democracy. now they are targeting the democratic secretary of state trying to limit her involvement in future elections. the latest on the walking catastrophe known as

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we're not sure what is happening over in arizona other than a partisan political obsession to prove that the 2020 election results were fraudulent. a comedy of errors let by the cyber ninjas, a thing that exists, who are tampering with

ballots. yes, they are hunting for cheese dust. i might actually cackle if it weren't so dangerous. arizona republicans aren't laughing. this is serious business. the state senate president telling cnn her charade is about integrity. >> i don't know what's legit, what isn't legit. why wouldn't we want to answer those questions? >> you are questioning democracy. >> no. i'm questioning the integrity of the election system. >> which is the backbone of democracy. >> that's right. which means we should have full, 100% confidence in our democracy and in our election system. >> you are talking about trying to disprove conspiracies. >> if i have to, yes. why wouldn't we? >> what if big foot took the ballots? we have to prove that it's not happening. a democrat, the secretary of state, has slammed the republican grift.

arizona republicans are doing what they do, passing a measure to strip her of her ability to defend election lawsuits. joining me is the former senator from missouri claire mccaskill. claire, not only do you have this madness that's taking place in arizona, over in washington, you have got republicans just waiting for those kinds of arizona shenanigans to kick in so they can remain in power. brian sicknick's mom is saying, talk to me about what happened. they are brushing off people injure and kill and their family members. what's going on? what is going on with your former colleagues? >> first, let me just mention what they're doing in arizona is -- thank you for not saying "audit" because it isn't one. it isn't an audit. it's a brazen political exercise

being done in the most partisan way possible. i have to believe the voters of arizona are paying attention. this latest move they're doing, joy, this is what's called special legislation. what that means is they are passing legislative language that only applies to one person. it takes away her powers as secretary of state. and then they magically reappear with the next secretary of state. that is on its face outrageous. she was elected by the people of arizona to do that job. it is up to the people of arizona to decide whether or not she has that power, not a bunch of trump crazies that are populating the arizona senate. i don't know what's going to happen on this commission in washington. but i do know this. for every police officer that wants to sit down and talk to a republican -- there are active police officers that are asking

republicans for a few minutes. and then the family of a police officer who lost his life. every time they are denied the opportunity to talk to republicans, more and more republican voters are turned off by that. it may only be 25% or 35% of the republicans. that's enough to win national elections and elections in states like arizona that could go either way. >> that's an important point, charlie. the reason i connected directly to go from one to the other is it feels like the big lie is a state/federal partnership. the idea that if you can make it so only republicans count the votes, we siphon off anyone with integrity, republicans or any democrats, they can't touch it, we will make sure we win. we will put our hands down and say, now democracy is fine. we are in power. there are people at the federal level waiting to take advantage of that. they don't care if they look

anti-cop. brian sicknick's mom, why won't they talk to her? they are doing everything opposite of their brand because this is about grabbing power. does this turn off base republicans or do they say, this is the way we guarantee we have power? >> i don't know. base republicans might be okay with it. claire is right though. there's a large number of swing voters who have to be looking at this and say, what are we learning about republicans claims that they back the blue when they won't meet with the mom of the officer who died. people should be alarmed. more and more, begin to think that what happened on january 6th and the big lie about the election are rehearsals for the next time. these were not one offs. this is continuing. what you are seeing in arizona is something happening all over the country. it's not just in arizona. i'm glad you are focusing on it. it is singling out election

officials who behaved with integrity and purging them, cancelling them. it's happening in georgia. it happened in michigan. it's happening in arizona. what happens if we have a rerun in 2024? you have a republican congress that doesn't want to certify the electoral vote or you have election officials who will not stand up for the integrity of the actual election? what's happening now -- you saw that in the interview with the republican senator from arizona. they may talk about election integrity. that's become a eueuphemism. this is what's motivating the base. they care about this issue more than anything else. they can raise more money off this issue than anything else. i go wonder what the environment is going to be like at the state and the national level when we have a rerun of this presidential election. i think people ought to be

extremely alarmed about this. >> i am definitely. claire, talking about in states, your state missouri, the two candidates potentially that are going to be running for office are a guy who was accused of basically sexual crimes or locking women in his basement and the guy who held a gun on black lives matter protesters. it's marjorie taylor greene who has power in the party, it's the my pillow guy. missouri could fall to that governance. what can be done about it? >> i don't know what happens to the republican party long term if this is just about playing to a primary election ballot. that's what's going on here. that's what's going on in washington. that's what kevin mccarthy is doing. he wants to be speaker of the house. this is all about clinging to donald trump.

donald trump remains popular with enough voters in the republican party that you can win primaries. >> right. >> that doesn't help you if you alienate all the independent voters and a chunk of republican voters. that's what's going on here. if they nominate one of these two guys -- let's put it out there. what the governor did, he taped a woman to his gym equipment, his mystery, to his gym equipment in his basement, ripped her clothes, spit water in her mouth. the people who found this witness credible were republicans in jefferson city that ran him out of town. now he is getting the most votes in the republican primary in missouri. what can i say? >> the second place guy is the guy who was in flip-flops holding an ar-15 against black lives matter marchers. that's the republican primary right now. it's bananas. hopefully enough voters will say no that we won't end up with those people in power.

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it is pushed aside last year. now it raised its ugly head again this year. wake up to this reality. take a little damn responsibility, all of us. move beyond the platitudes and the usual rhetoric. >> it's a gruesome epidemic that continues with no signs of stopping or slowing down. according to the gun violence archive, there have been 232 mass shootings this year. including today's incident. which was the 62nd in may alone. today's shooting leaves another community asking again, as we do every time, when will this insanity stop? unfortunately, because the gun fetish republicans running statehouses, clearly not any time soon. look at texas. on monday, lawmakers approved a bill anyone 21 and older to carry a handgun without a license or training or a state background check. the governor says he will sign it. texas will join 20 other states with so-called permitless carry

laws and would be the largest guns by far. texas has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the country. you can open carry a rifle, which an ar-15 is. abbott bragged he signed a resolution naming an official state handgun. he would sign more gun laws soon. that's the priority for the republican governor and legislators who made it harder for adults in texas to cast a ballot than to carry a handgun. the second amendment fetishists are all for it. pretend tough guy ted cruz applauded texas legislators for passing it. marjorie taylor greene gushed she loves to see a similar law and guns everywhere in georgia. those two are far from the only republicans pushing their obsession with pushing more guns into more american hands. including the hands of mass

shooters. the most bizarre and disturbing example of a willingness to shield the morally bankrupt national rifle association, come from john kennedy, whose new video the nra said would trigger the libs. >> i believe that love is the answer. you ought to own a handgun just in case. >> senator kennedy, yeah, we are triggered. not by your stupid video, which promotes guns as a stand-in for having a love interest and poor spelling. we are triggered by the death that we know is coming because of people like you and your friends who are pushing laws that let any untrained idiot off the street walk around with an unlicensed handgun that they might not even know how to properly use. let's just hope and pray not kill a bunch of people with it. for that, the republicans' obsession with firearms are the absolute worst. absolute worst

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emergency room doctor wrote the evidence does not add up and officers said that greene had been involved in a fight and struggled with them where he was tazed three times. it took more than a year for greene's family to be allowed to view the body cam videos which was only made available to the public last week. the videos depict police stunning, punching and choking greene. john bell edwards viewed the videos last year but refused to release the footage saying it would be detrimental to the ongoing civil rights investigation. he said last week that he strongly reported the police's decision to release the decision. in a press conference yesterday he called the videos regrettable. i am joined now by the mother of ronald greene and attorney for greene's family. thank you both for being here.

it took more than 474 days after your son's murder, him being killed for an investigation to even begin. i want to give you an opportunity to respond to that, the fact that it took so long for you to get information. >> i think it is pretty obvious. it is the corruption. it was a cover-up. and what did they have to do to an extent to validate what they did or what would they say was the narrative of that. lies on top of lies. they said so many they forgot what they said. they stumbled over their own feet. it was so obvious the cover-up they did. >> the family will be demanding justice for ronald. you are meeting with the naacp tomorrow for that rally.

do you know who else you will be there with, and are you planning on meeting with any city or state officials? >> yes. we are going to be there with the aclu. the new orleans aclu. we will have the naacp, baton rouge branch. and several celebrities. right now my mind is going. but it is so exciting. i am just so elated to have the opportunity. the fact that we are here at this platform to speak loud on the murder, the horrific murder of my son. >> yeah. i don't know how i would respond as a mom to the idea that these people could be tazed and torture your son and nothing has happened to any of them.

i am going through the list of what happened. the officer that denied there was a body cam video when there was lied about it claiming your son was a threat to flee. no discipline. the officer that struck and stunned your son was recorded bragging about beating him. they intended to fire him but he died in a car crash. the officer dakota demoss who jolted your son with the stun gun faced termination in a separate incident. trooper kory york. the fact that they just got away with it. >> and the fact that this is what they do. they are so good at what they do, they have gotten away with it. for hundreds of years. for me it is like why are we still talking about murder. this is clearly seen on tv.

how do you keep rumbling through how are we going to -- nobody is hearing it. we see it is clearly murder. what do you need to do. how do you justify murder. you know, what the heck is that. we met with him. all the time he was planning to retire. >> yeah. >> you know it is a big old game. they don't give a damn about what the hell they are doing to us, to people like us and to families like us, you know, and the fact that we are not talking about little people. we are talking about some big folks here. and it goes up and up and up. >> yeah. there is a lawsuit that the family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit.

do you have hope just looking at it as a federal investigation giving more justice to the family? >> well, the federal investigation has been ongoing according to the local prosecutor since he first received the facts. the federal investigation has been going for two years through two administrations. i have a little more confidence in the biden administration to prosecute these matters. we have seen them starting to do that in other cases. it is important to know when we go out tomorrow we will be meeting with the prosecutors both at the state and the federal level. we asked for an audience with the governor as well to discuss the new evidence as we know it now. he met with us back in september but we were in the dark in that meeting. we would like to have in the light conversation with him. >> very quickly, does the george

floyd conviction of that lead officer in the case give you any hope? >> i always have hope. i always have hope. even my worst times. you know, i have to hang on to that. >> thank you for your time. thank you both. that's tonight's reidout. all new chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" is indicting a former head of state really all that rare. and a reminder that criminal presidents are indeed a thing. >> our long national nightmare is over. >> new reporting on the under mining of democracy in arizona and respond. and did a member of the proud boys participate in the ce