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we're continuing to follow this very upsetting tragic news in northern california today. a gunman opening fire at a light rail yard in san jose this morning. eight people are confirmed dead plus gunman. shooting started around 6:30 am pacific time and a train storage and maintenance facility for the public transit system. here's the guy struck at a particularly busy time. struck at a particularly busy time it was a shift change around 6:30 in the morning, the sheriff told reporters today that the shooter and officers
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responding did not exchanged gunfire. the sheriff said the suspect appears to have shot himself when officers confronted him. again, he died along with eight other victims. seven victims died at the scene and eight at the hospital. there's still another being shot in critical condition. we still don't know the identities of the victims. authorities are still in the process of contacting victims families after the shooting happens. a bomb squad was also going room to room at the rail yard after bomb sniffing dogs apparently indicated that they detected the presence of explosives. that's another bizarre and terrible element to this latest mass shooting. the possibility of explosive devices being investigated. also apparently a length fire at about the same time the shooting started, a fire was reported the shooter's home just about ten miles away from the shootings happened. authorities are investigating whether the gunman set his house on fire before setting
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out on this shooting spree. if so, why. and how dangerous is that scene. district attorney says multiple guns were used in today's shooting and we don't have any further information about the guns themselves. the shooter has been identified. 57 year old man named samuel cassidy who is an employee of the valley transportation authority and san jose. most, if not all of the victims were believed to be his fellow eta employees. president biden ordered the white house flag lowering that half staff. he noted in a statement that this is the fifth time he has done so for a mass shooting since he has been president and he's only been president for just over four months, but he's had to do this five times now. just in the last couple of minutes before we got on the air, the city of san jose announced that there will be a vigil for the victims of today shooting tomorrow in san jose for the community together. so that's how we know at this hour, but as i mentioned it's a complex story with multiple
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moving elements and will keep you updated as we know more. if we learn more over the course of this hour. so as we continue to watch that, you should also know that there's a whole bunch of stuff that is coming down the pike right now in terms of news. all stuff to watch. first of all, i'm not sure why this hasn't received more attention but one of the things we're expecting tomorrow's vote, finally, on president biden's final nominee to run the post office. the post office was never really the source of all that much news and drama in previous administrations. in normal times, you don't really have to think about the post office that much it was only during the trump administration that americans had to start rallying to the defense of the post office as president trump attacked it repeatedly under the trump administration. a new postmaster general was appointed, apparently for the express purpose of monkey wrenching the operations of the post office. instituted nationwide mail slowdowns and backlogs.
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he ordered the destruction of multi million dollar irreplaceable sorting machines. change after change after change that made the mail system worse, midlife help for postal workers but also made all of our own mail less reliable. affecting us all personally and affecting businesses from coast to coast. the trump administration era postmaster general louis joy is still in that job today. still right now proposing further changes to the post office to further slow down and privatized and screw up mail delivery. the reason that the trump, i hate the pope's office die is still in that job not even though we now have president biden is because a president can't directly remove a postmaster general. it has to be done by the board of governors of the postal service. a postal board of governors. well that's what's going to happen tomorrow. tomorrow president biden's final nominee to that board of governors is expected to be
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confirmed by the senate at long last. and then it will be up to that board. that board, as of tomorrow, will have a majority of nominees -- -- excuse me, a majority of members that are either democrats or others picked by president biden. that board will then be able to decide whether lewis joyce is going to stay on his job is postmaster general so he can keep slashing the proverbial tires on the mail trucks for longer or maybe they'll decide it's time for him to go. only the postal service board of governors can do that. the vote to put biden's last nominee on that board should happen tomorrow in the united states senate. and maybe procedurally, that's been too hard for people to follow and that's why it's hasn't gotten a lot of attention but honestly, this vote tomorrow in the senate should finally start to turn around. this bizarre war on the post office thing that we've been living through for the past year. one of the weirdest policy
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hangovers of the trump years. also, in terms of things to watch for overnight tonight and tomorrow, we are now expecting that texas republicans are going to pass their inside voting rights bill tomorrow. this is something they've been working on for weeks now but it's been a very opaque process and is not going to be clear i think really until they're voting wet is actually in the bill that they're voting on some were kind of on high alert for that. we're expecting the texas republican anti voting bill to potentially be even more draconian than the georgia republican anti voting bill this past month. as best as we can tell that procedurally, it's worth being aware of how fast this is going to go. there's been a lot of news about what taxes are maybe going to do and maybe whatever they ultimately decide it's going to go fast and i think tomorrow i think it's slated to pass the texas senate tomorrow on the same day. whereupon it will go
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immediately to texas governor greg abbott who will sign another tomorrow afternoon or tomorrow night. that's gonna move fast. it's worth watching, heads up about that. heads up also that even though tomorrow is a thursday, and that's not typically the day of the week on which you get supreme court news, because of the memorial day holiday this weekend, the united states supreme court is expected to announce new decisions tomorrow morning. now there aren't that many cases yet that they haven't ruled on for this year's session. one of the cases they haven't ruled on yet is one out of texas. that is an attempt to get rid of a bomber care to kill the affordable and its -- if the supreme court agrees to do that which is what the case is seeking, that would have the effect of throwing tens of millions off their health insurance instantly know we don't know how we're gonna roll
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on the affordable care act case and we don't know exactly what cases the rule on tomorrow. we don't know if that's one of the ones they're gonna roll their issue in but there's only a few days left in which they're going to announce rulings for this year's cases, so that's a weird time to look for supreme court links but expect that tomorrow morning. eyes open on that one too. like i said, it's kind of a lot to head up about right now. there's a lot coming down the pike and as we follow all of these developing stories and as we honestly anticipate what looks like it could be a bananas news day tomorrow, i also tonight just want to take up a moment here for something a little bit different. something i want you to listen to. i'm not promoting this exactly but i want you to know it exists. it's kind of an anthem. it's from today's news, it's an anthem. it's like an ode, a salute, to a man who is an inventor, sort of. a treasure hunter, sort of. but he's definitely a man who
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knows that the 2020 presidential election was absolutely littered with fake ballots and fraud. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> is your heart soaring? listen, credit where credit is due. that was impressive rhyming. you fight for free and fair
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elections, invented scan the ballots with kinetic artifact detection. it almost works if you did it as like a double dutch kind of chant or something, you know what i mean? but doing it is a little heartfelt folksong. you've never heard before anyone romantic lease excessively fit the phrase kinetic artifact detection into any song let alone rhyme it with something else while bringing a tear tear i. so, big ups to the rhyming skills of the songwriter here. but you heard with this is about, right? you heard the part where the lyrics go jahvon, we thank you for what you're fighting for. you're a warrior. giovanni tells you this is a celebration of this man. not rudy giuliani, the guy on the right. no anthems for him yet as far as we are aware but i haven't scoured sound cloud. the giovanni pulitzer, and that
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amazing anthem in his honor appeared on mr. pulitzer's own soundcloud page or at least it did until recently when slate .com this week reported on its existence, looking to that song as evidence of how mr. pulitzer has, quote, become somewhat of a folk hero among those who see the 2020 election as having been stolen from donald trump. he even has his own anthem. the anthem to him was up until slight dot come wrote about it. luckily we captured it before we took it down but now, it's gone. that's why you need these professionals for. the reason joe vaughan pulitzer has become a folk hero with his own anthem in the stop to steal donald trump is still the true president community is because mr. pulitzer purports to be the inventor of that ingeniously rhyme technology, kinetic artifact detection. which he claims can detect fraudulent ballots by means
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that he could tell you but then he'd have to kill you because it's all very very topsecret and nobody can know what his technology is. it's just technology. don't worry though, he's got credentials to back up his claims. mr. pulitzer's best known previous invention before his mysterious kinetic artifact detection contraption was this contraption. which was called the cute cat. a handheld bar code scanner in a plastic case that was shaped like a house cat. he did not invent the bar code scanner part of it, he just invented the shaped like a part of it but nevertheless that invention has been named one of the 25 worst tech products ever. it's been named the number one worst invention of the 2000s. his post-q cat experience is that he turns out dozens of books about treasure hunting. get rich quick, start digging. strike it rich. 50 lost treasures you could find.
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even if he does have his own anthem where they call him a warrior, you might think that a guy with the treasure hunter books and cue cat resume is not the kind of person who has any business being anywhere near the american voters ballots and voting machines and yet jahvon pulitzer and his kinetic artifact detection thing are in high demand by republicans across the country. as we have previously discussed, he and his secret supposed technology are somehow part of arizona republicans audit in that state. their attempt to basically uncounted 2020 election in arizona. -- the spokesman confirmed to the arizona mayor that joe on pulitzer secret undisclosed mirror fraud detector which it, they can emetic artifact detection machine, if it exists, is being used somehow in arizona. the mirror noted with sort of admirable restraint, quote, it's unclear whether mr. pulitzer's alleges technology
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has ever been used on ballots or whether has anyone confirmed that it works. who cares if it works. and who would be allowed to test it anyway? dude says trump won and his machine will say so, and so therefore we want that machine. so now that we've talked about him before in his supposed metric technology when it comes tears out about the important thing here though is it not just arizona anymore. hundreds of trump supporters in windham new hampshire demanding that the town of windham new hampshire hired that same guy, joe vaughn pulitzer to do an audit of their election to. that is one that president trump has hyped and hype saying that an audit in windham new hampshire will reveal the secret mysterious fraud and all the counties of new hampshire and that's how he'll turn it around in win new hampshire now, six months after the election is over. but they want jahvon pulitzer to be doing the audit up there to. trump folks are clambering for him. they won't accept anybody else.
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now, it looks like there's going to be another one of these third-party audits in fulton county georgia. the trump election fraud conspiracy promoters that have been given access by a court to hundreds of thousands of ballots in the metro atlantic area. they just put out a press release saying they are uniting with his expert jovan pulitzer and his expert team. jovan is the only expert we have found who clearly understands all of the details of what is needed in a forensic ballot inspection. his unique, patented technology is unmatched in the country. we can find the truth about georgia ballot integrity no matter what that truth may be. because of the cue cat treasure hunter anthem guy. his kinetic artifact attraction widget, which you can't see, but trust as a exist. that's going to find the truth about what happened in the 2020
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election. wonder what that truth will be that they will find? again, nobody knows what his so-called technology is. all the trump folks who know is that when he says he has used it. he says his machine declares that trump won. so what else do you need to know? clearly, that is the right machine. the arizona audit is of course being run overall by cyber ninjas. this is their actual website. it's a firm owned by a trump supporting qanon supporter who was hired by arizona republicans to run that recount. despite having zero experience having -- performing audits anywhere. that said, the ceo did say that his firm has experience working quote with some of the largest names in the financial services space. he claims to have done is projects, cyber ninjas has and projects for big name financial companies like city bang and jpmorgan chase. the ap reporting earlier this
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week that if you ask city bang and jpmorgan chase about that, those institutions will tell you quote, they have no record of hiring cyber ninjas. but it is not just jovan pulitzer and his mysterious machine and cyber ninjas alone. cyber ninjas also could be the subcontractor that they hired to do the physical handling of the battle it's in arizona that was supposed to make everybody feel better about the fact that cyber ninjas didn't have any election experience. the subcontractor did claim to have experience performing election audits in new mexico and pennsylvania. but when the arizona midler went to confirm that, they found that no one in new mexico had heard of the company which is call week tsv. while -- it turned out the way they got that big in pennsylvania was that they were hired there by the rudy giuliani circus. giuliani and friends were pushing the narrative that the pennsylvania election had been stolen from donald trump.
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they are the ones who picked wake tsi to come in and look at pennsylvania county to see if their theories were correct. that's their previous elections related experience. wake tsi, that's the elections work they're done. how did it go for them in that pennsylvania county? the main result in that county was that their county had now has to buy all new voting machines because of weak tsi missing with them. and that means the machines integrity is compromise. now we've learned that wake tsi, the firm that has been in charge of the actual, physical hand counting of the ballots in the arizona audit -- week tsi just quit in arizona. no explanation for why they are suddenly gone. the republican official who is the spokesperson for the party audit very said quote, by way of explanation he said quote -- they were done. they didn't want to come back.
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[laughs] that's the explanation. okay, okay. but don't worry, another firm is stepping in to take over the. work another firm that also appears to have no election or auditing experience. we call this firm strattech solutions to find more about them and their experience and whether they are certify to do any of this work. and what they think they're going to be doing it arizona, since they will be handling actual ballots from real voters, from a real election. they wouldn't talk to us directly. but they told us that old media request about their work or been handled by this guy. this guy who -- how many errors are there giving votes to get joe biden. seriously, is anyone keeping amiss database of this mistake. hashtag stop the steal. he's here is the same guy showing conspiracy theories about dominion voting machines being hacked or flipping votes. or something, something hugo
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chavez, communist china. he said if this is true, this really opens a can of worms for michigan. the media, including detroit papers, refused to cover any of this. that's actually not that hard to understand. here he is sharing an article titled quote, yes democrats are trying to steal the election in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. he says this comes as no surprise to him since he has lived in corrupt democratic states. so again, if you're thinking about whether we should all have trust in this audit of the results, that's the gentleman we're told will be speaking on behalf of the new firm that has just been brought in to run the actual hand counting of rail ballots in arizona when the last from up and quit without explanation in the middle of the so-called audit. we spent a long time trying to get in touch with them. we think we have finally made contact with them. we have sent them some questions. we will let you know if we hear anything back. that really, arizona is just
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the beginning. associated press this week just published this bracing overview of how this is becoming a nationwide phenomenon. from arizona, to georgia, to michigan, to new hampshire. unquote, the profusion of audits alarms election experts, who know that the arizona audit has set a troubling new precedent of third-party, partisan review of the ballots, long after elections are over. one voting system expert telling the ap quote, this is bad enough to see it happen once. but seeing it elsewhere in the country is quote, dangerous for democracy. a former arizona official who used to oversee real postelection audits in maricopa county healthy quote, in healthy democracy, you have an auditing process. you have legal recourse. and when that period is over, all the candidates who have won takeover and you move on. she added that the people calling for these audits clearly want only one result. quote, they are not going to be satisfied. this is just going to play out in perpetuity. >> right.
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if we are going to become a country now where if you don't like the election results, you and other people you know can just claim the right to get the ballots and get the voting machines and take them for yourself. and do whatever you want to them and there you see what happened in the election. is that how we're going to do this now? it's not just arizona. state elections officials are doing their best in lots of places now to try to prevent a perpetual cycle of election audits by random outside groups who want the election to have turned out a different way. michigan's top election official has now sent letters to two michigan counties that are trying to launch one of these third-party audits of the election results. worn in those counties that these audits could be illegal. michigan secretary of state telling the counties that they have no authority to order every such audit. secretary of state instructed election clerks in those counties that they must not give an accredited, outside parties access to real voting machines and real ballots.
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meanwhile, that voting machine company, dominion, has written to every county in michigan that uses their machines, telling them that if they do turn over these machines to unaccredited, outside auditors to temper with them, that will disqualify those machines from future use in any election. and the counties will be on the hook for the cost of new machine. which again, is exactly what happened already in that pennsylvania county where wake tsi did their rudy giuliani invited audit of the voting machines there. that county now has to pay for all new voting machines. it's also exactly what is happening in arizona. where the secretary of state has told me recode pell county they're going to have to buy all new machines for their next election. thousands of voting machines have to be taken off line. they have to be decommissioned and replaced with new ones. because the machines from 2020 are no longer secure. they have been tempered with. by these unaccredited, randoms from the cyber ninjas who are
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going to tell us how it is that they figured out that trump won using the little cat shape thing, or whatever. if these third-party audits and the messes they are leaving behind are now going to become a nationwide problem, and they are, a problem that is going to just keep replicating itself over and over again in different places across the country. the thing that we are going to have to start talking about as a country is whether some sort of nationwide solution is required to stop this mess. i mean, believe me, in trump circles right now, these stupid, corrupting, fake audits of what happened in the 2020 election are the most important thing happening in the country. the most important thing happening in the world. the fact that there is a big word one happening in arizona i think has some in in a normal media for the rest of us. but if you look at the way they are talking about this stuff in trump world, they really are going to do these everywhere, all over the country.
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everywhere pro trump republicans can convince someone to get them access to real ballots from the election and real voting machines. they are just doing it all over. as if elections are there's now. and ballots are there is now. it's no longer public government function is, just for the pump trump people to take over now on their own terms and they will tell us what happened. individual officials like the michigan secretary of state. individual groups of evil republicans who object to what is going on, like in arizona, in maricopa county, have been trying to stop this stuff. as it has been taking off, but it is not working. so far, the individual efforts by individual politicians, officials and small groups of people to try to stop this in the places where this stuff is taking a hold, those efforts to stop this thing are not working. as this phenomenon starts to spread across the country. so here is the thing, if what they are doing with real ballots and real election
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machines, if this stuff is illegal -- and it looks like it all is. there's a federal law that says random third parties can't have access to ballots and voting equipments right after elections. if it is all illegal, everywhere, then who is going to stop it? and when? we reported last night on the swearing in of the band new chief of the civil rights division, kristen clark, today was her first full day on the job. we're waiting to see what the civil rights division of the doj will work on now that it has a come from leader. but honestly, one of the areas were civil rights division theoretically could get involved, part of their remit within the doj is an election law. and one of the things they could get involved in at the federal level to try to set a sort of national expectation, and standard here, to draw some bright lines about what can be done. is around the slapdash privately run, bonkers, corrupting, third-party audits of the last election.
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it was the acting head of the civil rights division, the woman who was essentially holding that spot until kristen clark was sworn in last night, who after all did write a letter earlier this month to arizona senate republicans, telling them that the third party audit they are running their may violate federal law. because they have among other things, handed over voting machines and millions of voters real ballots to these completely unqualified, an accredited private condor companies. under federal law, those things are required to stay in the custody of election officials for a specific amount of time after an election is rigged over. arizona republicans appear to a broken federal law by handing this stuff over to cyber ninjas and wake tsi and the cue cat guy in the room and the rest of them. that was the letter from the acting head of the civil rights division. that letter was a start. but since then, what is happening in arizona, has started to happen in a lots of other places in the country now to. and if what they did in arizona, and what they want to do in all
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of these other states is illegal, then who is going to act on that and stop federal law from being violated in this way? are we really going to leave this just up to state elections officials playing whack-a-mole to try to stop the next stop the steal scam here? and stop the next one there and stop the next one there? it's not working. is there a federal response? that should happen here to address this issue nationwide? that set standards, that creates clear rules and clarifies the existing clear rules around the stuff? is there a federal response that could be done here to block these privately run, privately funded, third-party audits from happening in the first place? if not, if there is no national response to it, i'm telling you this thing is a runaway train. watch this space.
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senators found out about it today during a hearing because they started getting news alerts on their phones. about the mass shooting in san jose california this morning. news of that shooting started trickling in around 10 am eastern time this morning, which was during the senate hearing and it led to this kind of twisted split screen moment and the reason all those senators gathered this morning as they started to get news alerts on their phone about the mass shooting, is that they were there to try to confirm president biden's nominee to leave the bureau of a halt tobacco and firearms. the justice department is supposed to contend with guns and gun policy, the person designated to run it is -- he's been an outspoken opponent of reforming american gun laws which is made it bogeyman for republicans and it's also white president biden picks him for this job. but it's interesting. wouldn't the aperture a little bit here and you can see the bigger problem. atf hasn't had a permit senate
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confirmed leader for more than six years, because republicans basically don't believe the federal government should have an agency that contends with guns and gun policy in this country so they certainly don't want a permanent senate confirm person warning such an agency. over the past 15 years, atf has had a confirmed nominee writing that agency for precisely two of those 15 years. republicans don't want just anybody in there to run the agency. but now with the majority and the senate that appears the part of government that help set gun policy will finally have a permanent confirmed leader once again even if democrats have to vote for him amongst themselves. he will perhaps be the first director of the atf who's had to consider the aftermath of a major mass shooting in this country that happened literally during his confirmation hearing to get the atf job. >> mr. chipman, it's not lost on me that as we're having this discussion with you or several
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members are about guns that there's another mass shooting with fatalities near san jose. we have worked hard, there are republicans like senator toomey who have worked on the background check issue and tried to get that done. we know the vast majority of americans support rational gun violence legislation. >> joining us now is senator amy luster. she's on the judiciary committee for president biden's nominee, it's great to see you thank so much for joining. >> thanks rachel. >> so obviously you weren't prepared for this hearing today knowing that there would be a mass shooting at the moment you are working to confirm the next person in charge of dealing with gun policies in this country. i wonder if that is going to affect the way that you and your colleagues approach not just hearing but this confirmation and the gun policy question today.
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>> you know i literally couldn't believe that some of my colleagues, senator cruz who preceded me are railing against this nominee. mr. chipman who by the way 25 years of experience with the agency investigated the world trade center bombing. investigated the oklahoma city bombing completely qualified for this job and because he holds views that the vast majority of americans holds, like 90% of them support universal background checks so he gets criticized for these common sense views while we both have an ongoing mass shooting where we know there are already eight fatalities. so many, one after another after another and i guess the iron it was lost on them but i don't think it should be lost on the american people that we need competent person. and i've worked on the last confirmation was todd jones he's from minnesota. i remember holding the vote
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open for hours an hours almost entire day and i was able to convince republicans to support him. i'm not sure that's gonna happen this time but the key is that we need to have someone in place running that agency. >> i was struck in your remarks today. i want to play that clip of you talking to the nominee, that way today. because you singled out one of your republican colleagues senator pat toomey. you said there are republicans that worked on the background check issue and try to get that done. seems to me that you are signaling they are potentially that at least the background checks issue might not be over. that there might potentially be some room to get some reform even on that narrow slice of gun policy? >> yes, senator chris murphy has spent such a long time advocate to take on gun violence along with senator blumenthal. senator murphy has been working with pet to me.
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i know we've been bringing up this to court in the past and despite what happened it's a good days hearing. remember, we've just been through four years of donald trump. i sat across from him after parkland won nine times he said he wanted to see universal background checks. nine times, i wrote it down on a piece of paper with hash marks. kept it all this time, keep looking back at it and in the end the next day he mixed with the nra and he fold. well we can't keep folding. the republicans can't keep folding when you have things happening in el paso and san jose, what we saw in parkland, what we saw in sandy hook it just keeps going on. >> senator, let me ask you about another matter that is pressing potential vote on the commission to investigate the attack on the capital on january 6th. we've been following the timing on that, it looks like there might be a first vote on that in the senate. potentially tomorrow, do you have any sense of how that's going to go and whether republicans of the side of this is something they're going to
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support? >> will we know that seven of them said that their for this and you know there were 35 republicans in the house that voted for this sensible idea that we have to look at the systemic causes of what happened so that we can do a major major investigation. i don't know what they're going to do. i don't know what excuse you can have for not wanting to have this investigation. it is true that i and senator blunt along with gary peters and portman over with homeland security combined forces. we're coming up with the report which i look forward to talking with you about in around june 7th. that's really focused on the immediate what needs to happen now with the capitol police leadership. what needs to happen now with law changes. so this never happens again. but that's not a substitute for this 9/11 type commission that we must have. >> senator amy klobuchar, democratic in minnesota thanks for being here i know you have
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it's more than honey. it's about building something for our family that will endure. i wrote a book that came out about a year and a half ago, i think that's how long ago. it's a book called blow out. it's basically about the power of the oil and gas industry, how that one industry is so powerful and has such specific incentives in the way that they do business that they have this incredible new record of corrupting basically every place they operate. the book is basically a warning about politics, about how democracies all over the world including here at home get undermined over and over again
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by that one industry. they're not just a normal business sector. they are, i think, unparalleled thing where companies in that industry regularly shape the government of whole countries to fit the company's needs. so basically i wrote to say, countries should watch out for that. it's not good. well now the other side of that coin though is that we should be ready for governments to change. for whole types of government to potentially fail if and when the oil and gas industry that made them possible changes. if and when the oil and gas industry stops being what it is. if these men with world shifting companies that can wrap whole countries around their little finger, if those companies loses step or disappear or get forced to change into a whole different kind of enterprise then that really will change the world. it'll change governments around the world. and the reason it's worth
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anticipating that, thinking about how are going to handle that when it happens it's because it's been clear for a while now that that's coming. it's been clear for a while now that the oil and gas industry for all that it has done to shape the world over the past century in fact it is about to get basically on wired. and it's because they're the problem when it comes to climate. and as stupid as our own domestic politics have been forever about climate, the climate disaster is a real thing that really does need a huge fix in the world, just figuring that out. and the oil and gas companies are gonna have to fundamentally get out of the way or change themselves into an entirely new thing for that to happen. and that's going to happen. i mean, and concept and in theory we've known that this is inevitable. it's going to have to happen. we don't know what it would look like when it arrived or when it would happen, how gradual are subtle it would be but we've been able to see and theory that this was coming from. and then today, all of a sudden
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boom. it all just happened all at once. remarkable day and it's still seen as sort of a business pages piece of news but it's more than that. first of all, this morning at the hague in the netherlands a dutch court issued a ruling and court order that requires a massive oil company, the biggest oil company in the world outside of china. the court order is gonna order them to cut their emissions by 45% by the end of this decade. that's supplier emissions, customer emissions, that means royal dutch shell is going to need to stop being a burn fossil fuels company very very quickly. court order. then, right after that. boom. it happens to chevron. it's also today, a shareholders meeting and an overwhelming vote by chevron shareholders requiring chevron to radically cut its emissions to. and then boom, another one all
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in the same day. a huge one, exxon, the flagship american oil and gas giant exxon has led the way for so long in promoting climate denial and conspiracy theories. exxon today against its will had its shareholders dump some of its board of directors and install new ones. who are going to make exxon do a u-turn on climate including specifically its plans to keep expanding its drilling operations. that's not going to happen anymore because exxon against its will just got a whole new bunch of directors that it does not want that's going to make that company change course. and it all happened in the span of a few hours. shell, chevron, exxon. watching the twitter feed of a climate expert like but the cabin was like watching that guy see the double rainbow on youtube. he starts off this morning and he says wow, explains with the shell news is. he says this could be game changing. a couple of hours later, he
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says whoa yet more news on this watershed day. it's about exxon and in a couple hours after that he says an utterly crushing therefore big oil. chevron, news exxon, news that news. he says all who fight you push long enough and the dominoes tumble. any one of those things happening would be huge news about the richest most destructive industry on earth, but all three of those huge things happening within hours of each other all in one day, it's almost impossible to believe. you push anti push and stuff eventually falls.
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street journal tonight. oil giants are dealt major defeats on climate change as pressures intensify. joining us now is bill the kevin climate expert and one of the founders of the climate campaign threw 50 dot org.
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it's great to have you, here thank you so much for your time. >> it's a great pleasure to be with you. for once, we have good news to talk about. >> well, let's talk about it. exxon, shell, and chevron all hit today with different judgments and votes but it seems like it's gonna force them all to change course when it comes to climate. all the news together feels like a very big piece of news but how confident are you that this will make a difference? >> well i don't think that any themselves will make a huge difference right away but a decade of battering away by activists is finally finally taking a real toll. it was only a week ago that international energy agency said that the time had come for fossil fuel to stop expanding. and this was no radical outfit from the international agency set up by henry kissinger by 1974 to be the kind of club for oil consumers but even they've realized that mathematics of
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climate change is next global and there's no way to deal with the problems we face unless we take actions like the one the dutch court outlined the other day. they said the admissions of 2030 that's exactly what the government panel on climate change said about two weeks ago. >> the decision affecting chevron and exxon today both happens through shareholder votes. this is not the kind of place that we look for the world's most exciting activism in terms of its impact on the broader world, but it does feel like this was sort of a magic tricks, almost, and turning around these big companies. >> you know, ten years ago exxon was the biggest company on planet earth. that's when naomi cline and i helped launch this fossil fuel divestment. it's grown into probably the biggest anti corporate campaign ever, with about 15 trillion dollars now and down to
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portfolios. and that's helped bring so many people to understanding that these guys can't keep going on the way that they're going. exxon is still powerful but it's now on the ropes in all kinds of ways and remember it's not just that they have to cut emissions it's that as of tomorrow, they are that much less powerful on capitol hill when it comes to lobbying in state legislatures. when it comes to exerting their dominance. these things once that weakening begins and the momentum hopefully grows. now, our problem is that we have to go very very fast behind the curve. most of the sea ice in the arctic melt. it's not like this guarantees any winds. it just is an awfully good sign that people should keep fighting and keep fighting. >> bill mccabe in, environmental activist one of the founders of the grassroots climate campaign. bill, thanks for joining us. it's a huge day, thanks for
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helping us understand. >> thank you. >> all right we'll be right back, stay with us. ck, stay with us [john legend's i can see clearly now] make your reunion happen with vrbo. your together awaits.
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tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening,. lawrence >> good evening rachel. i'm going to do something that we both been promising to do. and i'm sure you've never done. i'm going to use a script tonight at the end of the hour, written by kyle griffin for monday nights